I, personally, will be interested to see how this goes/the full trailer. I really liked the buzz light year show as a kid. I doubt it'll be close to the show, but it was a fun universe and I'm...
I, personally, will be interested to see how this goes/the full trailer. I really liked the buzz light year show as a kid. I doubt it'll be close to the show, but it was a fun universe and I'm curious to see what all they're pulling over from it.
I liked Buzz from the original movie quite a bit but I loved the show. It seems totally forgotten these days and most people I speak to never had any idea it existed (it's not even on Disney+!) so...
I liked Buzz from the original movie quite a bit but I loved the show. It seems totally forgotten these days and most people I speak to never had any idea it existed (it's not even on Disney+!) so more Buzz Lightyear focused adventures in his pulp sci-fi universe is really exciting to me. It seems like they may keep some of that pulp 60's sci-fi aesthetic in this new rendition, and I'm hoping it carries through.
I'm getting some serious Mr Incredible vibes from Buzz's design. Don't get me wrong, it's absolutely faithful to the original character's design. This has the potential to be really good.
I'm getting some serious Mr Incredible vibes from Buzz's design. Don't get me wrong, it's absolutely faithful to the original character's design. This has the potential to be really good.
"Let the children use it"... well that was the best use of Starman in a trailer yet, heh. Speaking of: How are they doing the toy angle in this? It looks "real" from Buzz Lightyear's perspective...
"Let the children use it"... well that was the best use of Starman in a trailer yet, heh.
Speaking of: How are they doing the toy angle in this? It looks "real" from Buzz Lightyear's perspective and nothing in the trailer seems to hint at that not being the case. Also it looks like there's enough characters and third party perspective for it barely making any sense for this to be all in his head. The worst part is, I can already see this being an intentionally misleading trailer and it all coming down to Lightyear having some kind of toy psychosis while he's being dragged around by Andy or something. And it's such a stale joke by now.
There isn't going to be any 'toy angle', this is the origin story, or what the toy is based on. The toy in the Toy Story world is based on a movie of Buzz Lightyear, this is that movie! (the word...
There isn't going to be any 'toy angle', this is the origin story, or what the toy is based on.
The toy in the Toy Story world is based on a movie of Buzz Lightyear, this is that movie! (the word 'toy' has lost all meaning to me in writing this)
Yep. From the Boston Globe: And TBH, I'm actually glad Pixar is revisiting the franchise, since I personally enjoyed all 4 of the Toy Story movies. I suspect the tone is going to be a bit more...
As Pixar has explained, the backstory to Buzz Lightyear, the toy, is that he was inspired by an “epic blockbuster film” about a pilot turned space ranger. “Lightyear” is that film, providing human Buzz Lightyear’s origin story. It will hit theaters 27 years after Buzz, the toy, voiced by Tim Allen, was first introduced in 1995′s “Toy Story.”
And TBH, I'm actually glad Pixar is revisiting the franchise, since I personally enjoyed all 4 of the Toy Story movies. I suspect the tone is going to be a bit more mature for this one though, which I am also all for.
So basically. Imagine someone made a toy of Ed Harris playing John Glenn in "The Right Stuff." That toy is Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story. This movie is the equivalent of "The Right Stuff." And,...
So basically. Imagine someone made a toy of Ed Harris playing John Glenn in "The Right Stuff." That toy is Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story.
This movie is the equivalent of "The Right Stuff." And, presumably, there's a John Glenn equivalent in the Toy Story universe as well that the movie is based on? So does that mean we have space rangers and faster than light travel in the Toy Story universe?
Interesting thought, but The Right Stuff is a historical drama based on real life events in our universe. Whereas I'm pretty sure Buzz Lightyear is entirely fictional even in the fictional...
Interesting thought, but The Right Stuff is a historical drama based on real life events in our universe. Whereas I'm pretty sure Buzz Lightyear is entirely fictional even in the fictional universe of Toy Story, so he's more akin to a Star Trek character like Zefram Cochrane than he is to John Glenn.
Ah. The article referring to it as being about "The human Buzz Lightyear" made it seem like it was a biopic about a real person, but that's a much less complicated explanation.
Ah. The article referring to it as being about "The human Buzz Lightyear" made it seem like it was a biopic about a real person, but that's a much less complicated explanation.
Thanks for tracking this down! Can't decide whether that's a convoluted way of milking the franchise or a genius one. In either case, I'd prefer a movie with a new character. They've shown they...
Thanks for tracking this down!
Can't decide whether that's a convoluted way of milking the franchise or a genius one. In either case, I'd prefer a movie with a new character. They've shown they can still do it!
I think it's kind of ingenious really. It could easily fall flat on it's face, however: Leverages an existing well-known franchise/character Is not actually beholden to any of the actual...
I think it's kind of ingenious really. It could easily fall flat on it's face, however:
Leverages an existing well-known franchise/character
Is not actually beholden to any of the actual characters or plots of that franchise
Buzz the Toy Story character is a distinct and separate character from Buzz the movie character. Which is generally what people find appealing. Something that is familiar, but is also different and new at the same time.
I haven't paid too much attention to what's going on with Allen. I grew up watching Home Improvment and though it was great at the time. I went back and watched in the last few years and aside...
I haven't paid too much attention to what's going on with Allen. I grew up watching Home Improvment and though it was great at the time. I went back and watched in the last few years and aside from it feeling dated just from set design etc, the humor fell more flat and felt really preachy. I tried watching his newer show Last Man Standing and it was unwatchable. Just a whole show of an older white guy complaining about how the world is changing around him and how confusing it is for him.
In Toy Story, Buzz Lightyear is a toy based on an IP that is part of the Toy Story fictional universe as fiction itself. This new movie is based on a fictional story which previously only existed...
In Toy Story, Buzz Lightyear is a toy based on an IP that is part of the Toy Story fictional universe as fiction itself. This new movie is based on a fictional story which previously only existed inside another fictional story. It's a rendition of the movie of which the fictional Buzz Lightyear toy is licensed from.
I think the 2000 cartoon show Buzz Lightyear of Star Command was actually the in-universe Toy Story show that Buzz Lightyear is from. Also, a surprisingly good kid's cartoon show! Some of the...
I think the 2000 cartoon show Buzz Lightyear of Star Command was actually the in-universe Toy Story show that Buzz Lightyear is from. Also, a surprisingly good kid's cartoon show! Some of the episodes rivalled the quality of the DCAU back then.
Since you're familiar with that show, does it look like the new movie fits within that canon? Or should we consider this to be a retcon/reboot scenario?
Since you're familiar with that show, does it look like the new movie fits within that canon? Or should we consider this to be a retcon/reboot scenario?
No, I don't think canon was ever a priority for Disney cartoons back then. It was the era of shows like Aladdin, Hercules, Buzz Lightyear, and a number of others. They were more just about wacky...
No, I don't think canon was ever a priority for Disney cartoons back then. It was the era of shows like Aladdin, Hercules, Buzz Lightyear, and a number of others. They were more just about wacky hijinx for kids featuring characters they recognized from the hit movies and played fast and loose with the actual canon of the movies.
Buzz Lightyear had the benefit of being an in-universe show that was never shown in Toy Story at least, so they could do whatever they wanted with their own canon. But the few scant mentions of the origins of Star Command or Buzz himself I recall don't really line up with what's here. But that's not really a big loss or change as this was never something where the canon was all that important.
IDK, what was I supposed to feel with this "trailer"? An assortment of generic, competently made space shots... Cool, so what? I think I'll stop watching teasers, the only thing they seem to...
IDK, what was I supposed to feel with this "trailer"? An assortment of generic, competently made space shots... Cool, so what? I think I'll stop watching teasers, the only thing they seem to convey is "hey, this exists, write about it, internet!".
That actually is the goal of teaser trailers, yeah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaser_campaign Not to be confused with a full promotional trailer.
That actually is the goal of teaser trailers, yeah.
Film teasers are usually made for big-budget and popularly themed movies. Their purpose is less to tell the audience about a movie's content than simply to let them know that the movie is coming up in the near future, and to add to the hype of the upcoming release.
No shit. That's literally what teasers are for. They're designed to "tease" (i.e. tantalize/arouse) you about an upcoming project, and generate some hype, without revealing too much about it. But...
the only thing they seem to convey is "hey, this exists, write about it, internet!".
No shit. That's literally what teasers are for. They're designed to "tease" (i.e. tantalize/arouse) you about an upcoming project, and generate some hype, without revealing too much about it. But given how many full trailers these days contain major spoilers (some even annoyingly revealing key plot twists), I will take a teaser over that any day.
What era are you thinking of? Not necessarily disagreeing with you - but I also want to say that having seen trailers for movies from the 40s, 50s, 60s, etc. I think the art of the trailer has...
What era are you thinking of?
Not necessarily disagreeing with you - but I also want to say that having seen trailers for movies from the 40s, 50s, 60s, etc. I think the art of the trailer has developed nicely. Even watching one from the 80s/90s can be difficult. We've finally started investing serious thought and art into what makes a good trailer.
Some teasers can be a bit more meaty... but the for the most part they have always been pretty lean, AFAIK. E.g. I still distinctly remember the Aliens teaser from when I was a kid, which was...
Some teasers can be a bit more meaty... but the for the most part they have always been pretty lean, AFAIK. E.g. I still distinctly remember the Aliens teaser from when I was a kid, which was about as lean as you can possibly get.
IDK, maybe the Lightyear is just really bad, even a teaser usually conveys some kind of narrative, like this one from Aliens. Lightyear to me looks like "put the coolest shots one after the other,...
IDK, maybe the Lightyear is just really bad, even a teaser usually conveys some kind of narrative, like this one from Aliens. Lightyear to me looks like "put the coolest shots one after the other, throw some David Bowie and call it a day".
I mean, The Batman teaser was pretty good, with some nice hints of narrative.
Agree to disagree, I guess. IMO the Lightyear teaser actually has a more coherent narrative and story arc to it, since the Aliens teaser was basically just a bunch of random clips from the movie...
Agree to disagree, I guess. IMO the Lightyear teaser actually has a more coherent narrative and story arc to it, since the Aliens teaser was basically just a bunch of random clips from the movie that slowly ramp up in intensity.
Again, I would say the Aliens teaser is actually worse in that regard. Each clip in that teaser barely lasts more than a few seconds and they aren't connected to each other in an easily...
Again, I would say the Aliens teaser is actually worse in that regard. Each clip in that teaser barely lasts more than a few seconds and they aren't connected to each other in an easily discernible way. And while it's true that in the Lightyear teaser each individual clip may not last long either, at least the majority of them are clearly connected to each other in a linear fashion. E.g. Buzz gets dressed, walks out to launch area, ship gets loaded with fuel, Buzz preps for launch, ship launches, ship goes around the sun, etc.
I'm pretty sure Buzz has quicker editing, but I'm not in the mood to calculate Average Shot Length right now :P On average, recent editing has shorter shots than older stuff. Regardless, I watched...
I'm pretty sure Buzz has quicker editing, but I'm not in the mood to calculate Average Shot Length right now :P
On average, recent editing has shorter shots than older stuff.
Regardless, I watched Lightyear once on my tablet's 11" screen. It subjectively felt like an avalanche of shots to me.
Don't you think the Alien teaser is cohesive? It has a clear crescendo, beginning, middle, and conclusion centered on what seems to be a connected combat situation.
I watch movies and shows on my tablet (and phone) sometimes too... but it's definitely not the ideal way to experience them, and I often miss a lot of key details because of the smaller screens.
I watch movies and shows on my tablet (and phone) sometimes too... but it's definitely not the ideal way to experience them, and I often miss a lot of key details because of the smaller screens.
I, personally, will be interested to see how this goes/the full trailer. I really liked the buzz light year show as a kid. I doubt it'll be close to the show, but it was a fun universe and I'm curious to see what all they're pulling over from it.
I liked Buzz from the original movie quite a bit but I loved the show. It seems totally forgotten these days and most people I speak to never had any idea it existed (it's not even on Disney+!) so more Buzz Lightyear focused adventures in his pulp sci-fi universe is really exciting to me. It seems like they may keep some of that pulp 60's sci-fi aesthetic in this new rendition, and I'm hoping it carries through.
I'm getting some serious Mr Incredible vibes from Buzz's design. Don't get me wrong, it's absolutely faithful to the original character's design. This has the potential to be really good.
"Let the children use it"... well that was the best use of Starman in a trailer yet, heh.
Speaking of: How are they doing the toy angle in this? It looks "real" from Buzz Lightyear's perspective and nothing in the trailer seems to hint at that not being the case. Also it looks like there's enough characters and third party perspective for it barely making any sense for this to be all in his head. The worst part is, I can already see this being an intentionally misleading trailer and it all coming down to Lightyear having some kind of toy psychosis while he's being dragged around by Andy or something. And it's such a stale joke by now.
Pixar, just let some franchises die in peace.
There isn't going to be any 'toy angle', this is the origin story, or what the toy is based on.
The toy in the Toy Story world is based on a movie of Buzz Lightyear, this is that movie! (the word 'toy' has lost all meaning to me in writing this)
Yep. From the Boston Globe:
And TBH, I'm actually glad Pixar is revisiting the franchise, since I personally enjoyed all 4 of the Toy Story movies. I suspect the tone is going to be a bit more mature for this one though, which I am also all for.
So basically. Imagine someone made a toy of Ed Harris playing John Glenn in "The Right Stuff." That toy is Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story.
This movie is the equivalent of "The Right Stuff." And, presumably, there's a John Glenn equivalent in the Toy Story universe as well that the movie is based on? So does that mean we have space rangers and faster than light travel in the Toy Story universe?
Interesting thought, but The Right Stuff is a historical drama based on real life events in our universe. Whereas I'm pretty sure Buzz Lightyear is entirely fictional even in the fictional universe of Toy Story, so he's more akin to a Star Trek character like Zefram Cochrane than he is to John Glenn.
Ah. The article referring to it as being about "The human Buzz Lightyear" made it seem like it was a biopic about a real person, but that's a much less complicated explanation.
Thanks for tracking this down!
Can't decide whether that's a convoluted way of milking the franchise or a genius one. In either case, I'd prefer a movie with a new character. They've shown they can still do it!
I think it's kind of ingenious really. It could easily fall flat on it's face, however:
Buzz the Toy Story character is a distinct and separate character from Buzz the movie character. Which is generally what people find appealing. Something that is familiar, but is also different and new at the same time.
It's also a distancing from Tim Allen, who I couldn't help but notice had a very reduced role in Toy Story 4.
I haven't paid too much attention to what's going on with Allen. I grew up watching Home Improvment and though it was great at the time. I went back and watched in the last few years and aside from it feeling dated just from set design etc, the humor fell more flat and felt really preachy. I tried watching his newer show Last Man Standing and it was unwatchable. Just a whole show of an older white guy complaining about how the world is changing around him and how confusing it is for him.
In Toy Story, Buzz Lightyear is a toy based on an IP that is part of the Toy Story fictional universe as fiction itself. This new movie is based on a fictional story which previously only existed inside another fictional story. It's a rendition of the movie of which the fictional Buzz Lightyear toy is licensed from.
I think the 2000 cartoon show Buzz Lightyear of Star Command was actually the in-universe Toy Story show that Buzz Lightyear is from. Also, a surprisingly good kid's cartoon show! Some of the episodes rivalled the quality of the DCAU back then.
Since you're familiar with that show, does it look like the new movie fits within that canon? Or should we consider this to be a retcon/reboot scenario?
No, I don't think canon was ever a priority for Disney cartoons back then. It was the era of shows like Aladdin, Hercules, Buzz Lightyear, and a number of others. They were more just about wacky hijinx for kids featuring characters they recognized from the hit movies and played fast and loose with the actual canon of the movies.
Buzz Lightyear had the benefit of being an in-universe show that was never shown in Toy Story at least, so they could do whatever they wanted with their own canon. But the few scant mentions of the origins of Star Command or Buzz himself I recall don't really line up with what's here. But that's not really a big loss or change as this was never something where the canon was all that important.
IDK, what was I supposed to feel with this "trailer"? An assortment of generic, competently made space shots... Cool, so what? I think I'll stop watching teasers, the only thing they seem to convey is "hey, this exists, write about it, internet!".
That actually is the goal of teaser trailers, yeah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaser_campaign
Not to be confused with a full promotional trailer.
No shit. That's literally what teasers are for. They're designed to "tease" (i.e. tantalize/arouse) you about an upcoming project, and generate some hype, without revealing too much about it. But given how many full trailers these days contain major spoilers (some even annoyingly revealing key plot twists), I will take a teaser over that any day.
I seem to remember a time in which all trailers where more meaty, including the first trailer, teaser, whatever.
What era are you thinking of?
Not necessarily disagreeing with you - but I also want to say that having seen trailers for movies from the 40s, 50s, 60s, etc. I think the art of the trailer has developed nicely. Even watching one from the 80s/90s can be difficult. We've finally started investing serious thought and art into what makes a good trailer.
I'd have to look into this, but my guess would be late 90s up to around 2010.
Some teasers can be a bit more meaty... but the for the most part they have always been pretty lean, AFAIK. E.g. I still distinctly remember the Aliens teaser from when I was a kid, which was about as lean as you can possibly get.
IDK, maybe the Lightyear is just really bad, even a teaser usually conveys some kind of narrative, like this one from Aliens. Lightyear to me looks like "put the coolest shots one after the other, throw some David Bowie and call it a day".
I mean, The Batman teaser was pretty good, with some nice hints of narrative.
Agree to disagree, I guess. IMO the Lightyear teaser actually has a more coherent narrative and story arc to it, since the Aliens teaser was basically just a bunch of random clips from the movie that slowly ramp up in intensity.
You may be right, but Lightyear's trailer has pretty quick editing, I don't think that helps, unless you watch more than once.
Again, I would say the Aliens teaser is actually worse in that regard. Each clip in that teaser barely lasts more than a few seconds and they aren't connected to each other in an easily discernible way. And while it's true that in the Lightyear teaser each individual clip may not last long either, at least the majority of them are clearly connected to each other in a linear fashion. E.g. Buzz gets dressed, walks out to launch area, ship gets loaded with fuel, Buzz preps for launch, ship launches, ship goes around the sun, etc.
I'm pretty sure Buzz has quicker editing, but I'm not in the mood to calculate Average Shot Length right now :P
On average, recent editing has shorter shots than older stuff.
Regardless, I watched Lightyear once on my tablet's 11" screen. It subjectively felt like an avalanche of shots to me.
Don't you think the Alien teaser is cohesive? It has a clear crescendo, beginning, middle, and conclusion centered on what seems to be a connected combat situation.
LOL. I watched it on my 35" curved ultra-wide monitor. So perhaps that's where our different interpretations comes from. ;)
Quite possible. But I watched whole movies on the tablet, I'm used to it.
I watch movies and shows on my tablet (and phone) sometimes too... but it's definitely not the ideal way to experience them, and I often miss a lot of key details because of the smaller screens.
Yes that can happen for sure. But depends on the show/film.