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Weekly US politics news and updates thread - week of November 7

This thread is posted weekly - please try to post all relevant US political content in here, such as news, updates, opinion articles, etc. Extremely significant events may warrant a separate topic, but almost all should be posted in here.

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  1. [3]
    autumn
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    Election day is tomorrow! This is the second election I’m working, and the first general election I’ve ever worked. I’m already tired thinking about it, but I know how satisfying it will be once...

    Election day is tomorrow! This is the second election I’m working, and the first general election I’ve ever worked. I’m already tired thinking about it, but I know how satisfying it will be once we’re all done with the day.

    12 votes
    1. [2]
      Amarok
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      Breaking Points has a live stream of the election results going on now from 7-9PM EST, for those who want more intelligent live coverage than is available on television. :)

      Breaking Points has a live stream of the election results going on now from 7-9PM EST, for those who want more intelligent live coverage than is available on television. :)

      5 votes
      1. cfabbro
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        If all you care about is the exit polls, projections, and final results rather than punditry, 538's live blog is also a good site to visit and leave open:...

        If all you care about is the exit polls, projections, and final results rather than punditry, 538's live blog is also a good site to visit and leave open: https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/2022-midterm-election/

        5 votes
  2. PantsEnvy
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    Dems keep control of Senate with Nevada win Now that the stolen election argument seems like a political loser, and Trump seems like a political loser, it will be interesting to see how many were...

    Dems keep control of Senate with Nevada win

    Now that the stolen election argument seems like a political loser, and Trump seems like a political loser, it will be interesting to see how many were simply along for the ride while it lasted, and how many were true believers.

    8 votes
  3. [3]
    EgoEimi
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    It's very disheartening to see Georgia's voters so evenly divided between one thoughtful, intelligent man and one hypocritical... idiot as candidates. You'd think the choice would be particularly...

    It's very disheartening to see Georgia's voters so evenly divided between one thoughtful, intelligent man and one hypocritical... idiot as candidates. You'd think the choice would be particularly clear for Georgians.

    Good to see that the red wave hasn't come to fruition.

    • Some have noted that abortion rights have galvanized a lot of people across the spectrum.
    • I'm glad that Democrats have improved their handling of the crime narrative. According to surveys, crime is a high concern for many Americans. The "defund the police" movement in 2020 was a messaging disaster for Democrats.
    7 votes
    1. [2]
      cmccabe
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      One of the big stories I’ll be continuing to follow in U.S. politics is the work of Stacey Abrams. Even though she didn’t win, she came pretty close, and I think her time still may come. However,...

      One of the big stories I’ll be continuing to follow in U.S. politics is the work of Stacey Abrams. Even though she didn’t win, she came pretty close, and I think her time still may come. However, the work she has already done to ensure that as many people as possible can vote is absolutely Heroic.

      6 votes
      1. cfabbro
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        Honestly, of all the results, that's been the most disappointing and disheartening to me. Stacey Abrams has worked her ass off for the Dems and people of Georgia, and while Kemp certainly isn't...

        Honestly, of all the results, that's been the most disappointing and disheartening to me. Stacey Abrams has worked her ass off for the Dems and people of Georgia, and while Kemp certainly isn't the worst Republican out there, he definitely ain't the best either given how vehemently "pro-life" and anti-ACA he is (amongst other things). At least Kemp winning probably pissed off Trump. Small comfort though that is.

        4 votes
  4. cmccabe
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    The Largest Political Donation in US History Took Place in the 2022 Midterms https://truthout.org/articles/the-largest-political-donation-in-us-history-took-place-in-the-2022-midterms/ For example...

    The Largest Political Donation in US History Took Place in the 2022 Midterms
    https://truthout.org/articles/the-largest-political-donation-in-us-history-took-place-in-the-2022-midterms/

    It has now been 12 years since the Citizens United Supreme Court ruling opened up the floodgates to corporate donations and super PAC monies coming into elections. And, as a result, each election cycle since then has seen the growing consequences of this decision, as the super-wealthy use their money to prop up pet candidates and determine crucial citizens’ initiatives.

    For example...

    Earlier this year, The New York Times and ProPublica reported that 90-year-old Barre Seid, a secretive Chicago manufacturing tycoon, had donated $1.6 billion to the Marble Freedom Trust, to push its agenda of securing conservative judicial appointments up and down the ranks of state and federal judiciary. This is a long-term investment that over the coming years and decades will buttress conservatives as they groom the next generation of right-wing legal scholars, and work to ensure the election of politicians who will nominate ever more right-wing figures to judicial benches.

    That money, the largest one-off political donation in U.S. history, instantly made Seid, hardly a household figure in U.S. public life, one of the country’s most important arbiters determining the face of the legal system — and by extension the country’s regulatory edifice, its environmental policies, access to abortion, voting rights, the fate of gun control laws, civil rights and so much more — over the coming decades. And it catapulted him into the top tier of politically active billionaires, joining a club that includes Charles Koch, on the right; George Soros, on the left; and a handful of others.

    7 votes
  5. Kuromantis
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    Something I thought was worth noting is that Steve Bannon recently stated that the elections we've had in Brazil are illegitimate and advocated for a coup. If Trump was reelected and this guy was...

    Something I thought was worth noting is that Steve Bannon recently stated that the elections we've had in Brazil are illegitimate and advocated for a coup. If Trump was reelected and this guy was still on Trump's cabinet, I think there's a 90%+ chance that our military would have tried a coup by now, and Trump's US would have helped a right-wing coup, just like in the cold war.

    6 votes
  6. [3]
    skybrian
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    A Bottomless Pinocchio for Biden — and other recent gaffes (Washington Post)

    A Bottomless Pinocchio for Biden — and other recent gaffes (Washington Post)

    “Folks, I spent a lot of time — more time with Xi Jinping than any other head of state. … I’ve traveled 17,000 miles with him.”

    — remarks at a political event in San Diego, Nov. 3

    This is an old claim we had debunked shortly after Biden took office, giving him Three Pinocchios. There is no evidence Biden traveled that much with Xi, the president of China — and even if we added up the miles Biden flew to see Xi, it still did not total 17,000 miles. The White House could not offer an explanation for that number either.

    But it’s noteworthy because, despite our fact check and a White House admission that Biden’s line of “traveling with” Xi was not accurate, with this comment, Biden had made the claim 20 times during his presidency. (He then said it a 21st time a few hours later, in another speech, with a slight twist: “… when I traveled 17-, 18,000 miles with him.”) Biden is so fond of this bogus statistic that he even mentioned it during high-profile speeches such as a joint session of Congress and a commencement address.

    Why is this significant? Readers may recall that during Donald Trump’s presidency, we established a new category, the Bottomless Pinocchio, to account for false or misleading statements repeated so often that they became a form of propaganda. A statement would get added to the list if it had earned a Three or Four Pinocchios rating and been repeated at least 20 times. By the end of the Trump presidency, 56 claims made by Trump had qualified.

    Now Biden has earned his own Bottomless Pinocchio.

    3 votes
    1. TheRtRevKaiser
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      I find it hard to care about something this stupid and trivial. Sure, it's not great, but it's so far from the kind of wild shit that republicans are saying that it might as well be in a different...

      I find it hard to care about something this stupid and trivial. Sure, it's not great, but it's so far from the kind of wild shit that republicans are saying that it might as well be in a different universe.

      ETA: if you want to get really pedantic, you could say that Joe Biden has traveled somewhere in the neighborhood of 340 Billion miles with Xi Jinping, since Xi is 69 years old and both he and Joe Biden have been moving approx. 19k miles per day due to the Earth's rotation, plus about 1.6 million miles per day as they rotated around the Sun, plus around 11.83 million miles per day if you count the Solar system's rotation orbit around the center of the galaxy. There might also be movement on the galactic scale, or maybe due to the expansion of the universe, but I don't have a clue what that would be.

      9 votes
    2. Autoxidation
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      Every time he tells this he should add 1,000 miles.

      Every time he tells this he should add 1,000 miles.

      4 votes
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    aphoenix
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    I have an actual serious question for our American Tilderinos, because something occurred that I haven't been able to actually mentally process. This result in Oregon is what I mean. If you don't...

    I have an actual serious question for our American Tilderinos, because something occurred that I haven't been able to actually mentally process.

    This result in Oregon is what I mean. If you don't want to click the link, it's "remove slavery as a punishment for crime from constitution amendment" and it passed.

    My reading of this is that it repeals slavery as a punishment, and that 55% of people supported it. Conversely 45% of people supported slavery as a punishment.

    Is this the correct reading?

    3 votes
    1. [2]
      nukeman
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      Yes, you are generally correct. The “no” vote is a combination of: people who just hit “no” on every ballot referendum people who believe inmates should be required to work during their sentence,...

      Yes, you are generally correct.

      The “no” vote is a combination of:

      • people who just hit “no” on every ballot referendum
      • people who believe inmates should be required to work during their sentence, possibly doing hard labor (the slavery aspect)
      • people who get confused easily reading any ballot referendum (although this one was relatively succinct)
      6 votes
      1. aphoenix
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        Thank you (and the others) for the answers. It has helped me make sense of what I was reading; I wasn't reading it wrong or misunderstanding.

        Thank you (and the others) for the answers. It has helped me make sense of what I was reading; I wasn't reading it wrong or misunderstanding.

        2 votes
    2. Autoxidation
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      There was one in Tennessee too, but I don't think it effectively does anything, so voting yes or no didn't matter. So slavery is still not forever prohibited if an inmate has been duly convicted...

      There was one in Tennessee too, but I don't think it effectively does anything, so voting yes or no didn't matter.

      Slavery and involuntary servitude are forever prohibited. Nothing in this section shall prohibit an inmate from working when the inmate has been duly convicted of a crime.

      So slavery is still not forever prohibited if an inmate has been duly convicted of a crime, just like under the 13 amendment that was passed in 1865. Maybe? I guess it depends on what "working" means here.

      4 votes
    3. cmccabe
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      I shouldn’t be answering this because it’s the first time I’ve heard about this. However… I’m going to guess that it’s not referring to slavery in the commonly used sense of the word (ownership of...

      I shouldn’t be answering this because it’s the first time I’ve heard about this. However… I’m going to guess that it’s not referring to slavery in the commonly used sense of the word (ownership of another human for the purpose of exploiting their labor). Some prisons in the U.S. force the prisoners to work as part of their punishment. One phrase for this is involuntary servitude. Is it also called slavery? I’m guessing so and that this action now prohibits forced labor as punishment.

      3 votes
  8. Kuromantis
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    For the first time ever, DeSantis is more popular than Trump among Republicans And somewhat similarly: Trump targets Youngkin in latest outburst against a 2024 rival With this hilarious nugget:...

    For the first time ever, DeSantis is more popular than Trump among Republicans

    Trump issued a lengthy statement Thursday deriding DeSantis, in a sign that he is prepared to declare war against any Republican seeking to usurp him.

    Among Republican voters, 41% said they preferred DeSantis compared to 39% who preferred Trump, while 8% said they preferred neither.

    And somewhat similarly:

    Trump targets Youngkin in latest outburst against a 2024 rival

    Former President Donald Trump on Friday jabbed at Virginia Gov. Glen Youngkin, lashing out for a second straight day at a potential rival for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination.

    With this hilarious nugget:

    “Young Kin (now that’s an interesting take. Sounds Chinese, doesn’t it?) in Virginia couldn’t have won without me,” Trump wrote on Truth Social, the social media platform he helped found. “I Endorsed him, did a very big Trump Rally for him telephonically, got MAGA to Vote for him - or he couldn’t have come close to winning. But he knows that, and admits it. Besides, having a hard time with the Dems in Virginia - But he’ll get it done!”

    Looks like 2024 for the GOP is favoring the side of chaos. One thing I've seen posted online is some Republicans complaining about how Trump doing stuff like this is needlessly dividing the GOP. They're gonna learn very well why we were so horrified of this man back in 2016.

    2 votes
  9. [3]
    Kuromantis
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    Why it could take weeks to get final L.A. election results. ‘We aren’t sitting on ballots’ This is not the way.

    Why it could take weeks to get final L.A. election results. ‘We aren’t sitting on ballots’

    “We aren’t sitting on ballots,” said county Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk Dean Logan, explaining that election officials had tabulated all the vote-by-mail ballots ready to be tallied in their possession by the wee hours Wednesday.

    After election week, county election officials generally release new updates only twice a week, on Tuesdays and Fridays, though Logan said his office hadn’t ruled out the possibility of an additional update between those days, depending on the volume of ballots tallied.

    “What I think we want to avoid is doing these incremental updates where things are bouncing back and forth, as opposed to getting substantial updates so we start to see the trends and the definition that’s taking place in the outcome,” Logan said.

    This is not the way.

    1 vote
    1. [2]
      cfabbro
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      Why not? IMO the "drama" being built up around the vote counts as they slowly trickle in is part of the problem with the American system.

      This is not the way.

      Why not? IMO the "drama" being built up around the vote counts as they slowly trickle in is part of the problem with the American system.

      5 votes
      1. Kuromantis
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        Because waiting multiple days for a single update is too long. Should probably be hourly if possible. As for lowering drama, this just makes the election harder to follow.

        Because waiting multiple days for a single update is too long. Should probably be hourly if possible. As for lowering drama, this just makes the election harder to follow.