16 votes

What do you think about reddits thebanout? Are you supporting it or not, and why?

I personally think that if it doesn't get reigned in, it will destroy a LOT about reddit.

39 comments

  1. [4]
    dubteedub
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    It's a pretty transparent joke that a lot of people believe is real. Edit: subs closed now

    It's a pretty transparent joke that a lot of people believe is real.

    Edit: subs closed now

    18 votes
    1. BuckeyeSundae
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      The tell for me, outside of automod and n8theg8 (who for his part seems to trigger t_d types everywhere), was including r/drama and r/lol as “hate subs.” That said, if I didn’t have those clues,...

      The tell for me, outside of automod and n8theg8 (who for his part seems to trigger t_d types everywhere), was including r/drama and r/lol as “hate subs.”

      That said, if I didn’t have those clues, the shittiness of people on Reddit generally would’ve potentially had me seeing it as a pointless protest, like so many others on Reddit.

      4 votes
    2. Kijafa
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      I talked to n8 yesterday on slack and up until then I didn't realize it was a joke either.

      I talked to n8 yesterday on slack and up until then I didn't realize it was a joke either.

      4 votes
    3. trunicated
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      I don't know man, a bunch of powerusers/mods in a sub, wanting to ban the kind of subs that they troll for posts on /r/FragileWhiteRedditor (which a number of them also happen to mod). I don't...

      I don't know man, a bunch of powerusers/mods in a sub, wanting to ban the kind of subs that they troll for posts on /r/FragileWhiteRedditor (which a number of them also happen to mod). I don't think it's unreasonable at all to think they were completely serious.

      2 votes
  2. [23]
    Tenar
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    I don't reddit anymore, could you (or someone else) provide a bit more context?

    I don't reddit anymore, could you (or someone else) provide a bit more context?

    16 votes
    1. [17]
      starchturrets
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      Racist subs made racist remarks against reddit admin's wife Serena Willams. Did not end well for the subs.

      Racist subs made racist remarks against reddit admin's wife Serena Willams. Did not end well for the subs.

      8 votes
      1. [15]
        Pilgrim
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        Could we get a little more detail? Is this related to the /r/greatawakening ban?

        Could we get a little more detail? Is this related to the /r/greatawakening ban?

        7 votes
        1. [13]
          starchturrets
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          It is, but my comment was mistaken. Apparently, thebanout refers to a subreddit (r/thebanout2018) trying to get what it views as hate subs banned. A bit like r/againsthatesubreddits, which...

          It is, but my comment was mistaken. Apparently, thebanout refers to a subreddit (r/thebanout2018) trying to get what it views as hate subs banned.

          A bit like r/againsthatesubreddits, which @dubteedub mods, but way more extreme, judging by how many comments they remove.

          4 votes
          1. [6]
            Hypersapien
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            What does it view as "hate subs" and is it any different from what everyone else views as hate subs?

            What does it view as "hate subs" and is it any different from what everyone else views as hate subs?

            4 votes
            1. [5]
              starchturrets
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              It has come to my attention that dubteedub also mods that sub and regards it as a "transparent joke." So I guess it's just a troll version of r/againsthatesubreddits, using the same criteria?

              It has come to my attention that dubteedub also mods that sub and regards it as a "transparent joke."

              So I guess it's just a troll version of r/againsthatesubreddits, using the same criteria?

              2 votes
              1. [3]
                dubteedub
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                Correct, but don't tell reddit

                Correct, but don't tell reddit

                6 votes
                1. [2]
                  MotherIrony
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                  I personally appreciated Banoween

                  I personally appreciated Banoween

                  5 votes
                  1. dubteedub
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                    People are calling greatawakening's ban Quistallnacht which I think is pretty solid

                    People are calling greatawakening's ban Quistallnacht which I think is pretty solid

                    3 votes
              2. clerical_terrors
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                It's basically a rif on /r/blackout2015, probably because that sub ended up being taken over by Meta-Reddit conspiracy nuts.

                It's basically a rif on /r/blackout2015, probably because that sub ended up being taken over by Meta-Reddit conspiracy nuts.

                4 votes
          2. BuckeyeSundae
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            He also mods the rthebanout2018 sub last I checked.

            He also mods the rthebanout2018 sub last I checked.

            3 votes
          3. [5]
            frickindeal
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            They apparently auto-mod remove any comment that isn't a specific phrase. I don't get that. Are they not encouraging discussion concerning how they might go about being effective in getting those...

            They apparently auto-mod remove any comment that isn't a specific phrase. I don't get that. Are they not encouraging discussion concerning how they might go about being effective in getting those subs banned? Or is that discussion elsewhere? I'm interested more in the social dynamic that exists on reddit from a scientific point-of-view, and would have liked to see those discussions.

            But, they're apparently effecting change, so despite their methods, it somehow appears to be working to an extent.

            2 votes
            1. [4]
              dubteedub
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              It's a joke sub claiming responsibility for all the subs banned this week retroactively and claiming they have the admins ear and threatening a load of other subs It's pretty funny since all the...

              It's a joke sub claiming responsibility for all the subs banned this week retroactively and claiming they have the admins ear and threatening a load of other subs

              It's pretty funny since all the hate subs are freaking out that they are on "the list"

              12 votes
              1. frickindeal
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                Oh wow, I think that qualifies as my first "whoosh" on Tildes. That is pretty funny, now that I see what they're doing. It's actually pretty damn creative.

                Oh wow, I think that qualifies as my first "whoosh" on Tildes.

                That is pretty funny, now that I see what they're doing. It's actually pretty damn creative.

                4 votes
              2. Petril
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                I agree that it is transparently a joke!! And a hilarious one, at that! Nice work.

                I agree that it is transparently a joke!! And a hilarious one, at that! Nice work.

                3 votes
              3. CALICO
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                I was certainly scratching my head when I found r/thebanout2018 on r/DrainTheSwamp, when a ton of people were melting down about it.

                I was certainly scratching my head when I found r/thebanout2018 on r/DrainTheSwamp, when a ton of people were melting down about it.

                3 votes
        2. PatrickRes
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          I actually think @starchturrets is getting one piece of Reddit drama confused for another. I actually got about halfway through typing a response in this thread talking about the r/greatawakening...

          I actually think @starchturrets is getting one piece of Reddit drama confused for another. I actually got about halfway through typing a response in this thread talking about the r/greatawakening whatnot before I realized it was the wrong subject.

          I'm pretty sure what @Akronymus is referring to is the movement associated with r/TheBanOut2018.

          3 votes
      2. [2]
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        1. dubteedub
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          He is still Reddit's board and is Reddits Executive Chairman

          He is still Reddit's board and is Reddits Executive Chairman

          5 votes
    2. [4]
      PatrickRes
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      I haven't been following closely, but here goes. Essentially, moderators from several large subreddits and a handful of smaller ones have taken it upon themselves to ban users in bulk based on...

      I haven't been following closely, but here goes.

      Essentially, moderators from several large subreddits and a handful of smaller ones have taken it upon themselves to ban users in bulk based on their participation in "hate speech" subreddits. Their motivation is

      "to force the admins to take action on the hatefilled subreddits that they currently allow to get away with sitewide rule violations"

      To the best of my knowledge, this is against Reddit's site-wide rules, but I'm not too certain about that. Obviously though, it's rubbing people the wrong way for a whole variety of reasons.

      4 votes
      1. dubteedub
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        Yeah, no one has actually bulk banned anyone If it were true you would have seen a bunch of people freaking out from getting banned from r/pics or something

        Yeah, no one has actually bulk banned anyone

        If it were true you would have seen a bunch of people freaking out from getting banned from r/pics or something

        5 votes
      2. [2]
        Wes
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        It's against moddiquette, but not any site-wide rule that I know of.

        It's against moddiquette, but not any site-wide rule that I know of.

        3 votes
        1. PatrickRes
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          Thanks for the info! I had heard something about how this was a rule that the admins made, but that was second hand, and it's clear how they could have been confused!

          Thanks for the info! I had heard something about how this was a rule that the admins made, but that was second hand, and it's clear how they could have been confused!

          1 vote
  3. [5]
    hungariantoast
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    Firstly, it seems like BanOut is a "transparent joke." If you are actually interested in helping deal with hate-subs, you can start by visiting /r/AgainstHateSubreddits and reading the sidebar....

    I personally think that if it doesn't get reigned in, it will destroy a LOT about reddit.

    Firstly, it seems like BanOut is a "transparent joke." If you are actually interested in helping deal with hate-subs, you can start by visiting /r/AgainstHateSubreddits and reading the sidebar.

    Reddit should have banned a lot of these recent subreddits long ago, and there are plenty more that need to be banned now. When a subreddit starts to resemble 4chan, it probably doesn't belong on Reddit. (Although /r/DnDGreentext is pretty great)

    With all of that being said, since Reddit is obviously slow to take action, and only does so as a reaction, I would very much support moderators of subreddits automatically banning users with a certain amount of karma in specific "hate-subs." The problem is, which subs are bad enough to constitute a ban? Some obvious ones come to mind, like /r/TheDonald, but others, like /r/Conspiracy, /r/CringeAnarchy, or /r/ImGoingToHellForThis, aren't inherently related to alt-right authoritarian racism, so what do we do about those subreddits? They're obvious cesspools because they have been taken over by undesirable users, but they do not represent a subject of discussion that is directly part of the problem.

    The obvious answer is to just ban alt-right subreddits, but Reddit won't do that, so I think for now only prolific users of the most obvious alt-right subreddits should be banned, but how do we identify "prolific users?"

    Thankfully tools for this already exist, even for you as a normal Redditor. You can find their subreddits here and here.

    These extensions allow criteria to be set to identify and tag users based on the number of posts/comments and karma for specific subreddits, allowing moderators to easily identify and ban users preemptively before they can cause problems. Users can be set to only be tagged if they have a relatively high amount of posts, comments, or karma in specific subreddits, so it makes it easier to avoid false identification by not highlighting everyone who posted a "this is dumb" comment on /r/TheDonald once.

    What I am saying is, these extensions allow moderators to identify users that have a very high level of "positive" participation in problem subreddits, which helps them ban early and often before your thread about a congressional candidate in /r/houston goes south thanks to brigading.

    Obviously, manually identifying and banning users is very difficult, so it would be great to employ automatic tools, similar to what was used with the mass Thanos subreddit ban, to just automatically identify and ban users. If I remember correctly, the Thanos subreddit ban required users to be subscribed and have posted/commented in the subreddit before, but I do not know if that was required simply to identify users who wanted to be banned as part of the joke, or if it is impossible to carry out automated bans outside of a subscriber/commenter base, although I suspect it is possible.

    My point is, it would be great if we could go "full nuclear" and just ban thousands of the top participants of problem subreddits from the "rest" of reddit, but that would require participation between a large amount of "normal" subreddits in order to be effective.

    I think it goes without saying that Reddit as a site is kind of awful at this point and Reddit as a company isn't doing much to improve that, especially when "hate-subs" are allowed to exist for as long as they have, and only get removed when they cause direct problems for the admins. I think it's silly that I had to type this comment out and I think it's silly that people actually came up with these ideas as measures against the toxic alt-right elements of Reddit, even if it's only a "joke" at the moment, it shouldn't have been necessary in the first place.

    I would also like to add that I understand the danger of this proposal and the issues that can arise from creating a "blacklist" and Reddit users, but I think these "hate-subs" are a larger problem and need to be mitigated however possible.

    11 votes
    1. [3]
      dubteedub
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      The actual serious anti hatesub spot is r/againsthatesubreddits

      The actual serious anti hatesub spot is r/againsthatesubreddits

      8 votes
      1. [2]
        hungariantoast
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        Thanks, I'll edit my comment to clear that up, but just to clarify, /r/TheBanout2018 is a sort of "joke subreddit" but what about the idea of targeting and preemptively banning users based on...

        Thanks, I'll edit my comment to clear that up, but just to clarify, /r/TheBanout2018 is a sort of "joke subreddit" but what about the idea of targeting and preemptively banning users based on their activity in specific subreddits? Has something like this ever been tossed around as a serious idea, or is it also a joking red flag to get alt-right subs riled up?

        What do you think the admins would do if several large subreddits actually took a preemptive ban into consideration? There are obviously subreddits that still have no place existing as they do and seeing the amount of participation that they do, which is why I ironically support the idea of exercising early censorship against these groups.

        Actually, after writing this comment, I refreshed the page and saw your other two comments:

        It's a joke sub claiming responsibility for all the subs banned this week retroactively and claiming they have the admins ear and threatening a load of other subs


        Yeah, no one has actually bulk banned anyone

        If it were true you would have seen a bunch of people freaking out from getting banned from r/pics or something

        3 votes
        1. dubteedub
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          Yes, it is basically a joke version of AHS that claims to have the admins ear in banning hate subs. We are not actually doing that. A very small number of subreddits had implemented the saferbot...

          /r/TheBanout2018 is a sort of "joke subreddit"

          Yes, it is basically a joke version of AHS that claims to have the admins ear in banning hate subs.

          what about the idea of targeting and preemptively banning users based on their activity in specific subreddits?

          We are not actually doing that.

          Has something like this ever been tossed around as a serious idea, or is it also a joking red flag to get alt-right subs riled up?

          A very small number of subreddits had implemented the saferbot maybe a month or so ago to solely target folks who were active on /r/milliondollarextreme as they were constantly brigading other subs and were some of the most notorious racist users who would run around across Reddit to troll. Now that MDE is banned, there is no active discussion on mass-banning hate users from subs.

          As far as I know, the only bot able to do that is the /u/saferbot which will automatically ban users from the subs it targets for only a single comment / post. That means that it has a lot of false-positives, and would be even more so on some of the broader hate subs like T_D, which would ban every user that went there to troll one time and got banned immediately.

          I do use the Reddit masstagger, available at /r/masstagger, which tracks users who participate in hatesubs and lets you set the limit for the number of comments / posts that it activates a tag. You can also whitelist certain users or select the different subs you want to track. Here is an example of what you see when you click on someone's tag if they participate in a hate sub.

          https://masstagger.com/user/MUSTAKA

          What do you think the admins would do if several large subreddits actually took a preemptive ban into consideration?

          They would probably remove us all as moderators, or at least the ones that pushed for the mass ban.

          There are obviously subreddits that still have no place existing as they do and seeing the amount of participation that they do, which is why I ironically support the idea of exercising early censorship against these groups.

          I fully agree with you and is why I spend much of my time on Reddit at this point on /r/againsthatesubreddits.

          3 votes
    2. lordpipe
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      Masstagger would be a lot more useful if it showed more than one subreddit per user. Hundreds of posts to 15 different subreddits with pro-fascist mods means a lot more than 1 post to /r/furryhate

      Masstagger would be a lot more useful if it showed more than one subreddit per user. Hundreds of posts to 15 different subreddits with pro-fascist mods means a lot more than 1 post to /r/furryhate

      2 votes
  4. clerical_terrors
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    I've looked at it for two seconds and it just seems like a circle-jerky joke. Maybe it's going to get hijacked by people who mean it but IMO the Reddit admins aren't going to listen to them. If...

    I've looked at it for two seconds and it just seems like a circle-jerky joke. Maybe it's going to get hijacked by people who mean it but IMO the Reddit admins aren't going to listen to them. If they were in the business of listening to that kind of talk they would have banned a bunch of subs waaaaaaaaaay back when.

    4 votes
  5. [6]
    nothis
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    I have no idea what "thebanout" is but it sounds like a bunch of assholes who had their feelings hurt because their favorite edgy sub was banned.

    I have no idea what "thebanout" is but it sounds like a bunch of assholes who had their feelings hurt because their favorite edgy sub was banned.

    3 votes
    1. [5]
      Algernon_Asimov
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      Actually, it seems to be the opposite. From what I've seen, it's a group of people who are actively trying to get the Reddit admins to ban subreddits they class as "hate subreddits".

      Actually, it seems to be the opposite. From what I've seen, it's a group of people who are actively trying to get the Reddit admins to ban subreddits they class as "hate subreddits".

      6 votes
      1. [3]
        BuckeyeSundae
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        People might also notice a mod in those top users who shares the same characters as @dubteedub. Not that the users are identical or anything

        People might also notice a mod in those top users who shares the same characters as @dubteedub. Not that the users are identical or anything

        5 votes
      2. Layla
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        many of those subreddits are hate subs, though.

        many of those subreddits are hate subs, though.

        2 votes