Decently so. The speed at which news moves now is stupid. Especially in hyped up situations like this, but there’s basically no one else who could make noise at this point. Personally I’m reminded...
Decently so. The speed at which news moves now is stupid. Especially in hyped up situations like this, but there’s basically no one else who could make noise at this point.
Personally I’m reminded of the end of burn after reading but meh.
Still stymied as to where all the support he got came from. Anyone able to shed light on that? My knowledge of him is limited, but all I know of from him is AI stuff (which I'm generally...
Still stymied as to where all the support he got came from. Anyone able to shed light on that? My knowledge of him is limited, but all I know of from him is AI stuff (which I'm generally unfavorable towards), the dumpster fire that was WorldCoin, and some less than stellar Twitter takes.
He's clearly a great leader, so long as your definition of such sticks to communicating a vision and getting people to follow you. The interesting part of it is the degree to which the employees...
He's clearly a great leader, so long as your definition of such sticks to communicating a vision and getting people to follow you.
The interesting part of it is the degree to which the employees sided with Altman against the head research guy on the board. I wonder if it's as simple as him not being very well liked.
I think it is that simple, and a little more. @unkz brought up that Brockman's wife had changed Sutskever's mind. Reportedly, she pleaded with him to not break up the company; she and Brockman...
I think it is that simple, and a little more.
@unkz brought up that Brockman's wife had changed Sutskever's mind. Reportedly, she pleaded with him to not break up the company; she and Brockman were married in a civil ceremony at the OpenAI office, officiated by Sutskever. So clearly their relationships extend way past work.
I think that while, yes, there is an element of money to it, but there's also likely a sense of purpose, of mission, and of camaraderie there. A charismatic leader is able to cultivate these. So imagine you're one of 800 people, a motley crew of the brightest people, and your captain convinces you that you're on a collective mission to transform the world.
I think people underestimate how loyal people can be to great leaders. The vast majority of people experience mediocre leaders, so it's hard to imagine the sheer magnetism of a great one.
Two reasons, mostly. First is that AI at current is being (in my mind) vastly overhyped, and I've found that irritating. The second factor is that despite its name, as far as I know OpenAI is...
Two reasons, mostly. First is that AI at current is being (in my mind) vastly overhyped, and I've found that irritating. The second factor is that despite its name, as far as I know OpenAI is hardly very open at all. It's the kind of name that looks to be trying to benefit from the concept of open source without contributing hardly anything to it, which I consider pretty disrespectful and dishonest. Combine that with it's founders having included Musk and Altman and I have very little faith in them as an organization.
This is such a clusterfuck of a situation. And moreover, one of the board members that voted to fire him will remain a board member past his return. And I just googled for another article to see...
This is such a clusterfuck of a situation. And moreover, one of the board members that voted to fire him will remain a board member past his return.
If they can continue to work together after such an incident, it may be a sign of maturity. Assuming they aren't suppressing negative emotions under a collaborative mask, that is, but that's hard...
And moreover, one of the board members that voted to fire him will remain a board member past his return.
If they can continue to work together after such an incident, it may be a sign of maturity. Assuming they aren't suppressing negative emotions under a collaborative mask, that is, but that's hard to know.
Seems like there's a lot of information about the story not being made public. What specifically was he not "consistently candid" about that the board ousted him for? Did the board stay quiet...
Seems like there's a lot of information about the story not being made public. What specifically was he not "consistently candid" about that the board ousted him for? Did the board stay quiet about the specific reasons as a favor to keep the negotiations open with Sam? Did Sam and the board just have some mundane business disagreements that escalated out of control? (Interim CEO Emmett Shear says the issue was not about safety of an AI system.) Does it have to do with a board member writing a paper very softly critical of OpenAI? (https://twitter.com/pitdesi/status/1727122839235657976)
This has all left me less confident in Sam Altman, but overall I'm glad to see OpenAI didn't implode.
Well… the mission to create "safe artificial general intelligence that benefits all of humanity". The mission, did not include looking after the interests of shareholders. That idea is dead now....
Well… the mission to create "safe artificial general intelligence that benefits all of humanity". The mission, did not include looking after the interests of shareholders.
That idea is dead now. Too bad the board didn’t tackle it more carefully.
Before this, I knew next to nothing about OpenAI. Sure, I've tried ChatGPT. And I've messed with various AI image generators. But that's it. Now, it's like everyday, we get some new development...
Before this, I knew next to nothing about OpenAI. Sure, I've tried ChatGPT. And I've messed with various AI image generators. But that's it.
Now, it's like everyday, we get some new development that ping-pongs back and forth. Is this what this is? Some kind of elaborate plan to get everyone talking about and thinking about AGI and OpenAI?
I'm only half-serious. Having worked for a non-profit for 16+ yrs, I know how crazy non-profit boards and leadership can be.
No and yes. "Nadella said “that is for the OpenAI board and management and employees to choose.” He followed by saying that Microsoft “chose to explicitly partner with OpenAI [and] obviously that...
No and yes.
"Nadella said “that is for the OpenAI board and management and employees to choose.” He followed by saying that Microsoft “chose to explicitly partner with OpenAI [and] obviously that depends on the people at OpenAI staying there or coming to Microsoft, so I’m open to both options.”"
The Microsoft thing isn’t happening, and Sutskever is leaving the board. There hasn’t been anything official but I believe Sutskever will be staying with the company though, based on how he signed...
The Microsoft thing isn’t happening, and Sutskever is leaving the board. There hasn’t been anything official but I believe Sutskever will be staying with the company though, based on how he signed on to the open letter and how apparently he had his mind changed (convinced by Brockman’s wife).
You can just choose not to read or comment on topics that aren't interesting to you. It's pretty clear that quite a few people care about this from the amount of discussion happening around it...
You can just choose not to read or comment on topics that aren't interesting to you. It's pretty clear that quite a few people care about this from the amount of discussion happening around it here on Tildes and elsewhere
When the saga began, I was initially ambivalent. After some thought however, I was actually optimistic about OpenAI imploding, because it might increase commercial interest in (and thus...
When the saga began, I was initially ambivalent. After some thought however, I was actually optimistic about OpenAI imploding, because it might increase commercial interest in (and thus development for) local and/or open source models, disrupting OpenAI as the "standard."
This news is slightly disappointing to me.
However, it is true that OpenAI under Sam Altman has been innovating at a breakneck pace, so setting the bar higher for capabilities is still a good thing.
I feel like there has been new news about this whole thing literally every time I check Tildes.
How likely is it that this is the end of the saga?
Decently so. The speed at which news moves now is stupid. Especially in hyped up situations like this, but there’s basically no one else who could make noise at this point.
Personally I’m reminded of the end of burn after reading but meh.
Heh, go to the HackerNews, there was a moment yesterday when top 20 stories all about this "very major crysis".
Still stymied as to where all the support he got came from. Anyone able to shed light on that? My knowledge of him is limited, but all I know of from him is AI stuff (which I'm generally unfavorable towards), the dumpster fire that was WorldCoin, and some less than stellar Twitter takes.
He's clearly a great leader, so long as your definition of such sticks to communicating a vision and getting people to follow you.
The interesting part of it is the degree to which the employees sided with Altman against the head research guy on the board. I wonder if it's as simple as him not being very well liked.
I think it is that simple, and a little more.
@unkz brought up that Brockman's wife had changed Sutskever's mind. Reportedly, she pleaded with him to not break up the company; she and Brockman were married in a civil ceremony at the OpenAI office, officiated by Sutskever. So clearly their relationships extend way past work.
I think that while, yes, there is an element of money to it, but there's also likely a sense of purpose, of mission, and of camaraderie there. A charismatic leader is able to cultivate these. So imagine you're one of 800 people, a motley crew of the brightest people, and your captain convinces you that you're on a collective mission to transform the world.
I think people underestimate how loyal people can be to great leaders. The vast majority of people experience mediocre leaders, so it's hard to imagine the sheer magnetism of a great one.
Why are you unfavourable towards AI?
Two reasons, mostly. First is that AI at current is being (in my mind) vastly overhyped, and I've found that irritating. The second factor is that despite its name, as far as I know OpenAI is hardly very open at all. It's the kind of name that looks to be trying to benefit from the concept of open source without contributing hardly anything to it, which I consider pretty disrespectful and dishonest. Combine that with it's founders having included Musk and Altman and I have very little faith in them as an organization.
This is such a clusterfuck of a situation. And moreover, one of the board members that voted to fire him will remain a board member past his return.
And I just googled for another article to see what happened with the Microsoft deal (https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/20/23969586/sam-altman-plotting-return-open-ai-microsoft) and it turns out that even Ilya Sutskever changed his tune?
I have to admit that I truly don't understand anything about this company.
Money talks and people listen.
If they can continue to work together after such an incident, it may be a sign of maturity. Assuming they aren't suppressing negative emotions under a collaborative mask, that is, but that's hard to know.
Seems like there's a lot of information about the story not being made public. What specifically was he not "consistently candid" about that the board ousted him for? Did the board stay quiet about the specific reasons as a favor to keep the negotiations open with Sam? Did Sam and the board just have some mundane business disagreements that escalated out of control? (Interim CEO Emmett Shear says the issue was not about safety of an AI system.) Does it have to do with a board member writing a paper very softly critical of OpenAI? (https://twitter.com/pitdesi/status/1727122839235657976)
This has all left me less confident in Sam Altman, but overall I'm glad to see OpenAI didn't implode.
Well… the mission to create "safe artificial general intelligence that benefits all of humanity". The mission, did not include looking after the interests of shareholders.
That idea is dead now. Too bad the board didn’t tackle it more carefully.
They also launched Her today https://twitter.com/OpenAI/status/1727065166188274145
Before this, I knew next to nothing about OpenAI. Sure, I've tried ChatGPT. And I've messed with various AI image generators. But that's it.
Now, it's like everyday, we get some new development that ping-pongs back and forth. Is this what this is? Some kind of elaborate plan to get everyone talking about and thinking about AGI and OpenAI?
I'm only half-serious. Having worked for a non-profit for 16+ yrs, I know how crazy non-profit boards and leadership can be.
The rollercoaster continues onwards.
So now what? Does the Microsoft thing no longer happen? Will Sustkever stay on?
No and yes.
"Nadella said “that is for the OpenAI board and management and employees to choose.” He followed by saying that Microsoft “chose to explicitly partner with OpenAI [and] obviously that depends on the people at OpenAI staying there or coming to Microsoft, so I’m open to both options.”"
From another comment of mine:
https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/20/23969586/sam-altman-plotting-return-open-ai-microsoft
The Microsoft thing isn’t happening, and Sutskever is leaving the board. There hasn’t been anything official but I believe Sutskever will be staying with the company though, based on how he signed on to the open letter and how apparently he had his mind changed (convinced by Brockman’s wife).
Who knows, who cares...
You can just choose not to read or comment on topics that aren't interesting to you. It's pretty clear that quite a few people care about this from the amount of discussion happening around it here on Tildes and elsewhere
You right. Sure.
When the saga began, I was initially ambivalent. After some thought however, I was actually optimistic about OpenAI imploding, because it might increase commercial interest in (and thus development for) local and/or open source models, disrupting OpenAI as the "standard."
This news is slightly disappointing to me.
However, it is true that OpenAI under Sam Altman has been innovating at a breakneck pace, so setting the bar higher for capabilities is still a good thing.