This is kind of incredible to look at, when I was around 17(?) I created a small service similar to this called "read|less" (readless.co I think was the domain at the time), and the design and...
This is kind of incredible to look at, when I was around 17(?) I created a small service similar to this called "read|less" (readless.co I think was the domain at the time), and the design and idea is nearly the exact same. It's really strange, wonder if someone on their team saw it or was a subscriber in the past (we had ~15k or so subscribers). Only difference is we used serifs and italics, and included a two sentence description on each article. This was somewhere around fifteen years ago.
This is super cool to see though, happy to see the dream is alive. I'll see if I can find any screenshots from back then.
It looks like the selection of topics in Kagi News is thinner than I'd like. Nothing for the entire African continent, and no breakout for Middle Eastern countries in World News, for example....
It looks like the selection of topics in Kagi News is thinner than I'd like. Nothing for the entire African continent, and no breakout for Middle Eastern countries in World News, for example. China stories are only in Mandarin, Ukraine stories are in Ukrainian Cyrillic characters. Everything also seems targeted to breaking news, very of-the-minute topics, and not necessarily chosen for their relative importance or impact.
I realize it's a beta, but Kagi News doesn't seem as useful for my interests as a well-curated RSS feed and subscriptions.
I had the same thought with how it is at present, but the potential is there. The different categories are on Github and people can do pull requests or submit a GitHub issue to add their own. It...
I had the same thought with how it is at present, but the potential is there. The different categories are on Github and people can do pull requests or submit a GitHub issue to add their own.
It looks like each category is just a collection of RSS feeds, so I’m thinking over time we’ll see a much more robust set. I’d personally love an education-focused one, for example. In fact, if I can find the time to sit down and pull together some quality education-focused news sources with RSS feeds, I just might put in a request for it.
I think this is why [Country] category is all in [Country language]. Category requirements Gathering 25 good news sources for a country and having them all in the same language means they'll...
I think this is why [Country] category is all in [Country language]. Category requirements
We require at least 25 feeds for a category in order to surface it in Kagi News. [...] The feeds should be using the same language.
Gathering 25 good news sources for a country and having them all in the same language means they'll probably be in that country's language. The only way to meet that requirement with English might be limiting the pool to country's news sources with official English translations and global English news organizations reporting on that country. It would be nice if they had a translation layer to remove that requirement, or expanded it to "25 feeds for a category in a particular language" so a category could have more than one language supported.
It’s really cool that this is free-for-all and doesn’t need a Kagi account, let alone paid subscription. Really great job there! Also, while I don’t personally feel the need for it, it’s nice to...
It’s really cool that this is free-for-all and doesn’t need a Kagi account, let alone paid subscription. Really great job there! Also, while I don’t personally feel the need for it, it’s nice to have an “anti doomscrolling” news feed option available. (One daily update, no notifications)
We can do better, and create what news should have been all along: pure, essential information that respects your intelligence and time.
But I must still say that I have a little point of disagreement here, since Kite/Kagi News is based on other outlets’ output, with articles authored by typically human and thus typically opinionated writers, I’m not sure how sustainable the project can be long-term. Who pays for the pre-LLM work?
I like the approach of using state-funded media, but that introduces potential bias again, which they have to correctly identify and filter out.
Edit: And by state-funded I don’t mean Al Jazeera or People’s Daily. There are some wonderful, mostly-independent-level of public programs and news outlets all around the world which try to be neutral, but obviously that is an impossible task to always achieve correctly.
It’s worth pointing out that they only take what is publicly available on RSS. They are not scraping past paywalls or on websites. So, I wouldn’t consider it stealing in the same way that lots of...
since Kite/Kagi News is based on other outlets’ output, with articles authored by typically human and thus typically opinionated writers, I’m not sure how sustainable the project can be long-term. Who pays for the pre-LLM work?
It’s worth pointing out that they only take what is publicly available on RSS. They are not scraping past paywalls or on websites. So, I wouldn’t consider it stealing in the same way that lots of LLM scrapers operate (except insofar as one believes all LLMS are trained on stolen data).
I agree the funding pathway is not obvious, but there’s certainly an incentive to fund publications if you want to push a certain perspective available. A place like the Guardian believes in free access and reader donations, and they might be willing to make content available via RSS to push their own reporting over someone else’s.
It’s also worth noting that providing content (like a summary) via RSS might make your website more likely to show up in the cited sources of Kagi’s feed, potentially driving clickrate.
I believe that news fundraising is already a problem in the age of social media and LLMs without something like Kagi News, and I don’t think this makes it worse.
I'm no expert so maybe this is a non-issue, but is this a 'valid' use of RSS from the perspective of the websites offering it? RSS is already poorly supported as is, and I'd worry that companies...
Every day, our system reads thousands of community curated RSS feeds from publications across different viewpoints and perspectives. We then use AI to distill this massive information into one comprehensive daily briefing, while clearly citing sources.
I'm no expert so maybe this is a non-issue, but is this a 'valid' use of RSS from the perspective of the websites offering it? RSS is already poorly supported as is, and I'd worry that companies using it as a way to effectively bypass AI scraping detection would result in less sites offering it altogether.
I'm not a big AI guy, but this is a relatively innocuous use of the tech I think, and a fairly useful one. The site News Minimalist already does this exact thing via ChatGPT, though it largely focuses on US news which makes it relatively unhelpful for escaping the omnishambles of the political hellscape (but I suppose that's just what news is nowadays). Plus, OpenAI, ew.
I made a thread a while back asking where Tildes users got their news from; while the post itself went on, what was in hindsight, a rather ill-thought-out spiel about Reddit echo chamber manipulation (though my overall point was valid I think), the responses were really helpful and are worth reading for anyone who feels stuck trying to find news that doesn't try to ruin your brain.
I’ve been looking at this for a few days now, and I really like it. I really don’t like digging into the news, but I do want to keep slightly informed. One weekly magazine (economist/New Yorker /...
I’ve been looking at this for a few days now, and I really like it. I really don’t like digging into the news, but I do want to keep slightly informed. One weekly magazine (economist/New Yorker / any Sunday paper), and this are all I probably need.
It’s been in a private-ish beta for a couple of months at this point, and while I don’t think I’m usually in the target demographic (I already have two other “short read” form news tickers), it’s...
It’s been in a private-ish beta for a couple of months at this point, and while I don’t think I’m usually in the target demographic (I already have two other “short read” form news tickers), it’s a nice news source from time to time for sure, and I definitely understand the appeal.
That said, the “perspectives” section – to me personally! – is a little…, hm, annoying sometimes. Not sure how to best describe what I’m feeling here, but I guess it sometimes feels a little too high-aiming or too thorough for the intended format?
Over the years I’ve gone through a couple, but these days, there’s News Minimalist, which also has a large language model generate story summaries and, unlike Kite, assigns a “relevance score”, so...
Over the years I’ve gone through a couple, but these days, there’s News Minimalist, which also has a large language model generate story summaries and, unlike Kite, assigns a “relevance score”, so the number of stories is even more limited (depending on the relevance threshold you allow yourself).
As an “outsider” (European), I also have the NYT mobile app’s push notifications (but on silent without vibration, and on low priority and all that), since they report on US and global topics.
Lastly, while probably not relevant or interesting to you, for completeness’ sake I have the German Tagesschau offer to send messenger app messages which come twice a day, mornings and evenings typically, plus occasionally during the day for breaking news.
But again, that’s only for the short-form news consumption. I recently moved and I’m actually thinking of taking up a local-and-beyond print newspaper’s subscription at the moment, lol.
This is literally what I've been looking for for months. My only solution so far has been a rss subscription to the Wikipedia Current Events Portal. This seems pretty brilliant.
This is literally what I've been looking for for months. My only solution so far has been a rss subscription to the Wikipedia Current Events Portal. This seems pretty brilliant.
I think this website is for someone else. I would be interested in seeing an archive of all the news stories (like Google News) that also has a way to hide the ones I've already seen. A website...
I think this website is for someone else. I would be interested in seeing an archive of all the news stories (like Google News) that also has a way to hide the ones I've already seen. A website that has just the top stories of the day isn't that useful to me - I've probably already seen them somewhere else.
Same here. I'd also like to see an RSS feed with one aggregated entry of headlines and summaries per day or week, as opposed to the current feed which has one entry per headline--it's a little too...
Same here. I'd also like to see an RSS feed with one aggregated entry of headlines and summaries per day or week, as opposed to the current feed which has one entry per headline--it's a little too noisy for me the way it works now.
Checking this out today! At a surface level it seems really exceptional, I’ve used a few of this type of news aggregator before and none have really hooked me. The layout and conciseness of the...
Checking this out today! At a surface level it seems really exceptional, I’ve used a few of this type of news aggregator before and none have really hooked me. The layout and conciseness of the Kagi one, along with the variety of sources has me intrigued though.
I’ll definitely be using this for the next few weeks to try it out - thanks for the post!
On a first look it seems nice but the best part for me is that there is a feed for news from my country. All these news aggregators are usually so USA centric that any news outside are not even...
On a first look it seems nice but the best part for me is that there is a feed for news from my country.
All these news aggregators are usually so USA centric that any news outside are not even included or relegated to a "World" section with every other country.
I'm a long time Kagi subscriber and love their stuff, especially Kagi Translate is excellent and so far ahead of anything else it's not even funny - but this isn't it for me. I tried it on iOS,...
I'm a long time Kagi subscriber and love their stuff, especially Kagi Translate is excellent and so far ahead of anything else it's not even funny - but this isn't it for me. I tried it on iOS, the app's not native, and it's an almost screen-for-screen recreation of Mina Labs' Particle News, without any of the charm and also without the crosswords. I can only hope it gets better, since the daily brief thing is a neat idea in concept, but Particle does it better.
This is kind of incredible to look at, when I was around 17(?) I created a small service similar to this called "read|less" (readless.co I think was the domain at the time), and the design and idea is nearly the exact same. It's really strange, wonder if someone on their team saw it or was a subscriber in the past (we had ~15k or so subscribers). Only difference is we used serifs and italics, and included a two sentence description on each article. This was somewhere around fifteen years ago.
This is super cool to see though, happy to see the dream is alive. I'll see if I can find any screenshots from back then.
Sounds cool! Where did the content come from with readless? A case of mechanical Turk summaries? ;)
A deep love of summarizing articles and an incredible amount of free time scouring the internet for news and oddities.
It looks like the selection of topics in Kagi News is thinner than I'd like. Nothing for the entire African continent, and no breakout for Middle Eastern countries in World News, for example. China stories are only in Mandarin, Ukraine stories are in Ukrainian Cyrillic characters. Everything also seems targeted to breaking news, very of-the-minute topics, and not necessarily chosen for their relative importance or impact.
I realize it's a beta, but Kagi News doesn't seem as useful for my interests as a well-curated RSS feed and subscriptions.
I had the same thought with how it is at present, but the potential is there. The different categories are on Github and people can do pull requests or submit a GitHub issue to add their own.
It looks like each category is just a collection of RSS feeds, so I’m thinking over time we’ll see a much more robust set. I’d personally love an education-focused one, for example. In fact, if I can find the time to sit down and pull together some quality education-focused news sources with RSS feeds, I just might put in a request for it.
I think this is why [Country] category is all in [Country language].
Category requirements
Gathering 25 good news sources for a country and having them all in the same language means they'll probably be in that country's language. The only way to meet that requirement with English might be limiting the pool to country's news sources with official English translations and global English news organizations reporting on that country. It would be nice if they had a translation layer to remove that requirement, or expanded it to "25 feeds for a category in a particular language" so a category could have more than one language supported.
It’s really cool that this is free-for-all and doesn’t need a Kagi account, let alone paid subscription. Really great job there! Also, while I don’t personally feel the need for it, it’s nice to have an “anti doomscrolling” news feed option available. (One daily update, no notifications)
But I must still say that I have a little point of disagreement here, since Kite/Kagi News is based on other outlets’ output, with articles authored by typically human and thus typically opinionated writers, I’m not sure how sustainable the project can be long-term. Who pays for the pre-LLM work?
I like the approach of using state-funded media, but that introduces potential bias again, which they have to correctly identify and filter out.
Edit: And by state-funded I don’t mean Al Jazeera or People’s Daily. There are some wonderful, mostly-independent-level of public programs and news outlets all around the world which try to be neutral, but obviously that is an impossible task to always achieve correctly.
It’s worth pointing out that they only take what is publicly available on RSS. They are not scraping past paywalls or on websites. So, I wouldn’t consider it stealing in the same way that lots of LLM scrapers operate (except insofar as one believes all LLMS are trained on stolen data).
I agree the funding pathway is not obvious, but there’s certainly an incentive to fund publications if you want to push a certain perspective available. A place like the Guardian believes in free access and reader donations, and they might be willing to make content available via RSS to push their own reporting over someone else’s.
It’s also worth noting that providing content (like a summary) via RSS might make your website more likely to show up in the cited sources of Kagi’s feed, potentially driving clickrate.
I believe that news fundraising is already a problem in the age of social media and LLMs without something like Kagi News, and I don’t think this makes it worse.
I'm no expert so maybe this is a non-issue, but is this a 'valid' use of RSS from the perspective of the websites offering it? RSS is already poorly supported as is, and I'd worry that companies using it as a way to effectively bypass AI scraping detection would result in less sites offering it altogether.
I'm not a big AI guy, but this is a relatively innocuous use of the tech I think, and a fairly useful one. The site News Minimalist already does this exact thing via ChatGPT, though it largely focuses on US news which makes it relatively unhelpful for escaping the omnishambles of the political hellscape (but I suppose that's just what news is nowadays). Plus, OpenAI, ew.
I made a thread a while back asking where Tildes users got their news from; while the post itself went on, what was in hindsight, a rather ill-thought-out spiel about Reddit echo chamber manipulation (though my overall point was valid I think), the responses were really helpful and are worth reading for anyone who feels stuck trying to find news that doesn't try to ruin your brain.
I’ve been looking at this for a few days now, and I really like it. I really don’t like digging into the news, but I do want to keep slightly informed. One weekly magazine (economist/New Yorker / any Sunday paper), and this are all I probably need.
It’s been in a private-ish beta for a couple of months at this point, and while I don’t think I’m usually in the target demographic (I already have two other “short read” form news tickers), it’s a nice news source from time to time for sure, and I definitely understand the appeal.
That said, the “perspectives” section – to me personally! – is a little…, hm, annoying sometimes. Not sure how to best describe what I’m feeling here, but I guess it sometimes feels a little too high-aiming or too thorough for the intended format?
Which other short form news sources do you like? I might be the target audience for those.
Over the years I’ve gone through a couple, but these days, there’s News Minimalist, which also has a large language model generate story summaries and, unlike Kite, assigns a “relevance score”, so the number of stories is even more limited (depending on the relevance threshold you allow yourself).
As an “outsider” (European), I also have the NYT mobile app’s push notifications (but on silent without vibration, and on low priority and all that), since they report on US and global topics.
Lastly, while probably not relevant or interesting to you, for completeness’ sake I have the German Tagesschau offer to send messenger app messages which come twice a day, mornings and evenings typically, plus occasionally during the day for breaking news.
But again, that’s only for the short-form news consumption. I recently moved and I’m actually thinking of taking up a local-and-beyond print newspaper’s subscription at the moment, lol.
This is literally what I've been looking for for months. My only solution so far has been a rss subscription to the Wikipedia Current Events Portal. This seems pretty brilliant.
I think this website is for someone else. I would be interested in seeing an archive of all the news stories (like Google News) that also has a way to hide the ones I've already seen. A website that has just the top stories of the day isn't that useful to me - I've probably already seen them somewhere else.
I’ve been checking it out over the last few weeks, it’s nice. I’d like the ability to have a weekly view of important news though, instead of daily.
Same here. I'd also like to see an RSS feed with one aggregated entry of headlines and summaries per day or week, as opposed to the current feed which has one entry per headline--it's a little too noisy for me the way it works now.
Checking this out today! At a surface level it seems really exceptional, I’ve used a few of this type of news aggregator before and none have really hooked me. The layout and conciseness of the Kagi one, along with the variety of sources has me intrigued though.
I’ll definitely be using this for the next few weeks to try it out - thanks for the post!
On a first look it seems nice but the best part for me is that there is a feed for news from my country.
All these news aggregators are usually so USA centric that any news outside are not even included or relegated to a "World" section with every other country.
Excited to try this out! Thanks for sharing
I'm a long time Kagi subscriber and love their stuff, especially Kagi Translate is excellent and so far ahead of anything else it's not even funny - but this isn't it for me. I tried it on iOS, the app's not native, and it's an almost screen-for-screen recreation of Mina Labs' Particle News, without any of the charm and also without the crosswords. I can only hope it gets better, since the daily brief thing is a neat idea in concept, but Particle does it better.
First impression is really good. To me it feels like a cleaner, prettier version of Ground News which I have used for a while.