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The πŸ‘πŸ‘„πŸ‘ debacle sums up tech's race issues

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  1. Gaywallet
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    Not gonna lie that's some pretty epic shitposting. Never would I have imagined it's possible to raise $200k for a cause I care about by shitposting collectively with other shitposters. It's...

    Not gonna lie that's some pretty epic shitposting. Never would I have imagined it's possible to raise $200k for a cause I care about by shitposting collectively with other shitposters.

    It's interesting what can be accomplished by even a small amount of collective action, even when there's no clear purpose or goal.

    15 votes
  2. joplin
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    Wow! I hadn't heard about this. I think it's pretty clever. However, this just sums up tech reporting: So based on absolutely nothing, he literally just made up what it was and then told the world...

    Wow! I hadn't heard about this. I think it's pretty clever. However, this just sums up tech reporting:

    Josh Constine, a venture capitalist and the former editor of TechCrunch, wrote about the nascent app in his newsletter, speculating that πŸ‘πŸ‘„πŸ‘ was a platform that lets people β€œshare your voice and imagery to a map and Stories-like bar that you can serendipitously tap through.”

    So based on absolutely nothing, he literally just made up what it was and then told the world about it. This seems like the same way they report on rumors about Apple or other big tech companies that like to have big flashy introductions for their products. I mean some of it does come from insiders, but it seems like just as much of it is made up from whole cloth.

    14 votes
  3. imperialismus
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    I’m not sure if this story really sums up tech’s race issues. The article mentions how some of the participants in this stunt are critical of the role that black people are largely relegated to by...

    I’m not sure if this story really sums up tech’s race issues. The article mentions how some of the participants in this stunt are critical of the role that black people are largely relegated to by venture capital - as a diversity token. And yet it also says that a largely non-white group of jokers managed to exploit the system by creating a fake hype cycle for a nonexistent product.

    One question that immediately springs to mind is: if it’s so easy to manipulate the system, couldn’t these tactics be used for the next real tech startup founded by black entrepeneurs? It seems to be the moral of this story isn’t so much β€˜tech has race issues’ (which I don’t doubt for a second) but β€˜you can achieve whatever you want if you’re just willing to exploit the system.’ I don’t mean to belittle the challenges that black entrepeneurs face, which I really wouldn’t know anything about, but could something resembling positivity come out of this? I think it’s awful that the tech world is built on fake hype, but until such time as we can change that system, maybe this tendency can be exploited to lift up those who have been excluded from benefiting from it?

    9 votes
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    AnthonyB
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    The tweet thread that the article linked is really something. I'm trying to wrap my head around the criticism and I feel like a moron. Can someone tell me if I've got this right? A handful of...

    The tweet thread that the article linked is really something. I'm trying to wrap my head around the criticism and I feel like a moron. Can someone tell me if I've got this right? A handful of people on tech twitter, many of them POC, started putting the πŸ‘οΈ πŸ‘„ πŸ‘οΈ sign in their bios and handles which gained quite a bit of interest and speculation. Then they posted about receiving seed funding, which amplified the interest and speculation due to "VC FOMO" (?) so much so that they realized they could turn this moment of fake hype into something positive by spreading rumors that people who donate to social justice charities will get a look at their product. By doing that, and selling some merchandise, they raised about 200k - is that right? Am I missing something critical? Because I dont understand the backlash, or how that makes a mockery of BLM.

    9 votes
    1. Gaywallet
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      My take is that the backlash is artificial and is a VC exec or sympathizer trying to come up with a reason as to why it's bad they made him donate to charity. Or potentially false flags from a...

      My take is that the backlash is artificial and is a VC exec or sympathizer trying to come up with a reason as to why it's bad they made him donate to charity. Or potentially false flags from a white person who's become "too woke" and is trying to explain how what a group of minorities did was racist.

      7 votes
  5. Keegan
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    I had just been using πŸ‘πŸ‘„πŸ‘ to weird friends out for more than a year now without knowing it was associated with anything. Looks like I'll have to use πŸ‘πŸ‘…πŸ‘ to avoid being associated with this other...

    I had just been using πŸ‘πŸ‘„πŸ‘ to weird friends out for more than a year now without knowing it was associated with anything. Looks like I'll have to use πŸ‘πŸ‘…πŸ‘ to avoid being associated with this other thing.

    4 votes
  6. [20]
    acdw
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    Sort of off-topic question, but does anyone else see the emojis like this ? I have a black-and-white eye before the lips (and tongue in @Keegan's reply), and a full-color, 'emoji'-style eye *after...

    Sort of off-topic question, but does anyone else see the emojis like this ? I have a black-and-white eye before the lips (and tongue in @Keegan's reply), and a full-color, 'emoji'-style eye *after the lips. I thought it might just be a Wired thing, but nope, it's here too. I think it must be a rendering thing -- the question is, why?

    8 votes
    1. [2]
      imperialismus
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      What platform are you on? I’m currently on an iPad, which displays two identical brown eyes.

      What platform are you on? I’m currently on an iPad, which displays two identical brown eyes.

      5 votes
      1. acdw
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        Firefox on Windows 10. I wonder if this is important enough to raise an issue to Mozilla...

        Firefox on Windows 10. I wonder if this is important enough to raise an issue to Mozilla...

        4 votes
    2. [2]
      Bauke
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      Does this look correct? πŸ‘ πŸ‘„ πŸ‘ When I copy-paste them into my URL bar I see it with 2 different eyes if there's no space between the lips and eyes. But with a space it renders normally.

      Does this look correct? πŸ‘ πŸ‘„ πŸ‘

      When I copy-paste them into my URL bar I see it with 2 different eyes if there's no space between the lips and eyes. But with a space it renders normally.

      5 votes
      1. acdw
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        Yes it does; it's two black-and-white eyes. Still not sure how to get the "emoji" eye twice though.

        Yes it does; it's two black-and-white eyes. Still not sure how to get the "emoji" eye twice though.

        2 votes
    3. [12]
      TheRtRevKaiser
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      I get the same thing. Are you using Firefox? I went to the article in Edge and the eyes both looked the same.

      I get the same thing. Are you using Firefox? I went to the article in Edge and the eyes both looked the same.

      5 votes
      1. [11]
        acdw
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        I am using Firefox! It must be a firefox issue.

        I am using Firefox! It must be a firefox issue.

        5 votes
        1. [6]
          babypuncher
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          It looks fine for me in Firefox 78.0.2

          It looks fine for me in Firefox 78.0.2

          3 votes
          1. [5]
            acdw
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            Hm on mobile Firefox too. Maybe it is a version thing, thanks!

            Hm on mobile Firefox too. Maybe it is a version thing, thanks!

            1 vote
            1. [4]
              babypuncher
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              Could also be a platform thing. I just checked the same page on Windows and got he bug.

              Could also be a platform thing. I just checked the same page on Windows and got he bug.

              2 votes
              1. [2]
                Whom
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                Windows vs what? I'm on Firefox on Linux (78.0.1) and getting the bug.

                Windows vs what? I'm on Firefox on Linux (78.0.1) and getting the bug.

                1 vote
              2. acdw
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                That's a really good point, actually! I'll have to check on my linux laptop.

                That's a really good point, actually! I'll have to check on my linux laptop.

        2. [4]
          culturedleftfoot
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          There are a bunch of emojis that haven't rendered properly on Firefox for me for years and I've not been able to get them to show properly. Funny thing is they don't show properly on my phone...

          There are a bunch of emojis that haven't rendered properly on Firefox for me for years and I've not been able to get them to show properly. Funny thing is they don't show properly on my phone either, so there are some popular emoji phrases that I still have no clue what they are or supposed to be.

          1 vote
          1. [3]
            acdw
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            Ooh can you give examples? Maybe we can hivemind em!

            Ooh can you give examples? Maybe we can hivemind em!

            1. [2]
              culturedleftfoot
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              Ha! I've just accepted I'm officially old and pretty much tune them out now. The only one I've got memorized is that one with a person crossing their arms like an X and a skin color after it?

              Ha! I've just accepted I'm officially old and pretty much tune them out now. The only one I've got memorized is that one with a person crossing their arms like an X and a skin color after it?

              2 votes
              1. acdw
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                Huh, I don't even know how to input that, lol. Guess I'm old too :P

                Huh, I don't even know how to input that, lol. Guess I'm old too :P

    4. [2]
      CALICO
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      Firefox 78.0.2, cracked-ass version Win10 Chrome 84.0.4147.89, same machine Chrome on my work-machine displayed it the same as chrome on my personal machine.

      Firefox 78.0.2, cracked-ass version Win10
      Chrome 84.0.4147.89, same machine

      Chrome on my work-machine displayed it the same as chrome on my personal machine.

      1 vote
      1. acdw
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        So weird! I also tested πŸ‘πŸ‘„πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘„πŸ‘ πŸ‘πŸ‘„πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘„πŸ‘ -- for me, the first and (counts...) fifth eyes here are small and black and white, aka the ones not preceded by a space.

        So weird! I also tested πŸ‘πŸ‘„πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘„πŸ‘ πŸ‘πŸ‘„πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘„πŸ‘ -- for me, the first and (counts...) fifth eyes here are small and black and white, aka the ones not preceded by a space.

        1 vote
    5. rish
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      Holy, that looks scary mate.

      Holy, that looks scary mate.

      2 votes