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Elon Musk announced Tesla is cutting the price of the Model S the same day competitor Lucid Motors revealed the price of its cheaper Air sedan

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  1. [9]
    MonkeyPants
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    $69,420? That is Beavis & Butthead level, but somehow not as funny.

    $69,420? That is Beavis & Butthead level, but somehow not as funny.

    22 votes
    1. [6]
      emdash
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      Elon really isn't as funny as he seems to think he is—especially in between his constant stealing of artwork without credit, Twitter rants and provocations towards government bodies, and his...

      Elon really isn't as funny as he seems to think he is—especially in between his constant stealing of artwork without credit, Twitter rants and provocations towards government bodies, and his tech-bro libertarianism.

      28 votes
      1. [4]
        mrbig
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        The dude is basically using his son’s name as a billboard for his quirkyness...

        The dude is basically using his son’s name as a billboard for his quirkyness...

        12 votes
        1. [3]
          Loire
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          Let's not leave Grimes out of the blame game here. The mother has all the ability to stop her kid from recieving such a silly name.

          Let's not leave Grimes out of the blame game here. The mother has all the ability to stop her kid from recieving such a silly name.

          7 votes
          1. [2]
            mrbig
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            Maybe so. But I think it’s safe to say that economical imbalances frequently have a great impact on relationships. Either way, that’s a fucked up name. I’d bet good money this kid will adopt a...

            Maybe so. But I think it’s safe to say that economical imbalances frequently have a great impact on relationships.

            Either way, that’s a fucked up name. I’d bet good money this kid will adopt a super normal nickname like “Clint” when he gets older.

            6 votes
            1. Loire
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              Grimes is worth 3 million and her popularirty as a multimedia artist is still growing. While Musk is significantly richer I don't think Grimes is at the point where she can be strong armed over...

              I think it’s safe to say that economical imbalances frequently have a great impact on relationships.

              Grimes is worth 3 million and her popularirty as a multimedia artist is still growing. While Musk is significantly richer I don't think Grimes is at the point where she can be strong armed over money concerning her child.

              5 votes
    2. nothis
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      You know, it's only slowly crystallizing for me but I'm kinda longing for a trend towards more boring people in tech and politics. Musk was fun for 10 years but jesus, you can just taste the...

      You know, it's only slowly crystallizing for me but I'm kinda longing for a trend towards more boring people in tech and politics. Musk was fun for 10 years but jesus, you can just taste the calculated tweetability of every shit he does, lately.

      11 votes
    3. skybrian
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      It’s a publicity stunt, showing that he can get negative attention for tastelessness, but he doesn’t care about that. Some people wring their hands, others are pleased to see a demonstration that...

      It’s a publicity stunt, showing that he can get negative attention for tastelessness, but he doesn’t care about that. Some people wring their hands, others are pleased to see a demonstration that people who care about taste have no power here.

      In some ways it’s appealing to a similar demographic as Trump, with the important distinction that it’s using something fundamentally unimportant to get publicity. Musk seems pretty good at these performative gestures, but then again, people in the entertainment industry do it all the time.

      Google used to do similar signaling using arbitrary digits of prices, but they were instead demonstrating how geeky they are, which seemed sort of cool if you’re a geek (until the joke got old), but is still just showbiz.

      I think it’s forgivable if they can show they’re a reliable manufacturer of nice cars.

      4 votes
  2. [8]
    feigneddork
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    I'm not trying to sound pretentious or up my own arse or anything like that, but is Elon Musk a big deal anymore? I remember half a decade ago, I watched this TED Talk and thought he was all about...

    I'm not trying to sound pretentious or up my own arse or anything like that, but is Elon Musk a big deal anymore?

    I remember half a decade ago, I watched this TED Talk and thought he was all about saving the earth etc, but eventually his antics just opened him up to be the dickhead he seemed to always be.

    Maybe because I'm from the UK and after the whole "pedo guy"/scuba instance, I pretty much wrote him off as being a twat. I'm genuinely curious if

    1. Anyone from the UK disregarded him (or not!) after the "pedo guy" incident - at least amongst my friends, this was pretty much the case when the illusion broke for us
    2. Anyone still legitmately thinks he is fighting the good fight.

    I suspect the answers will be skewered, but it's still interesting to get some insight.

    15 votes
    1. nothis
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      I think him basically becoming an anti-vaxxer because he feared that Covid measures could shut down his factories was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I'm increasingly worried about...

      I think him basically becoming an anti-vaxxer because he feared that Covid measures could shut down his factories was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

      I'm increasingly worried about the "yay science!" social media guys just being socially awkward assholes whose personality just required more effort to put into mustering the confidence to be jerks. I'm totally in with the rationality/science stance asking for proof before jumping to conclusions but you also have to acknowledge that a) one day science might prove you wrong (especially when you get emotional about things) and b) social issues aren't well enough understood to make scientifically accurate statements so basic ethics is a better strategy. Musk's behavior, lately, is essentially just disrespectful towards very basic ethics and social norms and he thinks he can get away with it because he makes rocket ships. His stance on Covid is also blatantly anti-science because that's more convenient for him.

      Also a disclaimer: I think most people have nuts views, including powerful, influential and smart people who actually do great things. It's just that through Twitter and 3 hour podcasts, you're getting those views unfiltered. It would probably not have mattered to the world what Musk thinks in private 15 years ago and his contributions to his fields of choice would vastly outweigh any personal quirks. But nowadays, it actually matters. So I blame Twitter probably more than I blame Musk, because it enables this dynamic.

      18 votes
    2. Eric_the_Cerise
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      I gave him another 3-6 months after the "pedo guy" thing, on the off chance he had some kind of inside info on the guy to justify the smear, before I (mostly) wrote him off. I still love the...

      I gave him another 3-6 months after the "pedo guy" thing, on the off chance he had some kind of inside info on the guy to justify the smear, before I (mostly) wrote him off.

      I still love the existence of his companies and the things he/they are pushing for.

      I also suspect he used to be a lot better ... maybe always somewhat dickish, but I think "fame and fortune" tends to warp and pervert most people.

      9 votes
    3. bilbodwyer
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      I think he's a lunatic that probably just needs a month of 10 hours' sleep to calm himself down. His companies still come out with cool stuff, but generally amongst my friends we refer to the...

      I think he's a lunatic that probably just needs a month of 10 hours' sleep to calm himself down. His companies still come out with cool stuff, but generally amongst my friends we refer to the company rather than Musk himself.

      4 votes
    4. skyfaller
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      I'm no longer convinced Musk is concerned with principles or ethics, but sadly he is still a "big deal" because he is now apparently the 4th richest person in the world, and therefore cannot be...

      I'm no longer convinced Musk is concerned with principles or ethics, but sadly he is still a "big deal" because he is now apparently the 4th richest person in the world, and therefore cannot be safely "disregarded" no matter how vile he becomes. Kind of like Trump, he's a joke but I don't think it's very funny.

      4 votes
    5. [3]
      Micycle_the_Bichael
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      I wrote him off when Tesla made a big deal about how they were publicizing a bunch of patents saying he thought it was important that he do that "to help make electric vehicles mainstream and a...

      I wrote him off when Tesla made a big deal about how they were publicizing a bunch of patents saying he thought it was important that he do that "to help make electric vehicles mainstream and a part of every dealership" and then my friends who worked at Ford on their electric car research told me everything he released were things already commonly known by those in the field and it was nothing more than a PR stunt to make him and Tesla look good.

      1 vote
      1. [2]
        Loire
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        So... The point of patents are to keep things that are "publically known" from being produced by your competitors without financial compensation. If the technology's weren't "publically known" or...

        So...

        The point of patents are to keep things that are "publically known" from being produced by your competitors without financial compensation. If the technology's weren't "publically known" or likely to be publically known there would be no point in patenting them. The patents don't keep people from "knowing" the technology. That's the key difference between a patent and a "trade secret". Patents are explicitly open knowledge.

        Your friend's comment doesn't really parse.

        4 votes
        1. Micycle_the_Bichael
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          The point is he didn't do anything. He acted like he was helping the automotive industry advance with electric cars but he didn't at all. All he did was give himself free publicity. He opened...

          The point is he didn't do anything. He acted like he was helping the automotive industry advance with electric cars but he didn't at all. All he did was give himself free publicity. He opened patents for electric vehicles once almost every automotive company had already designed their own electric vehicles and were getting ready to put them to market. That's the point. He didn't advance sustainability like he claimed he was doing, he wasn't helping the electric car community, and with the state of the automotive industry at that point in time there is next-to-no chance that Musk didn't already know that. The general consensus of the people working on that tech was Musk did it to buy good will with people who didn't know the industry at all so people would stand by Tesla over the competition because they'd remember the feel-good stories about him. And it worked.

          2 votes