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[SOLVED] Unable to give Exemplary label
I wanted to label a comment as Exemplary today and when I clicked "Label" the option wasn't present. I've given Exemplary labels before, but it's been a while. I do know there's a cooldown, but I don't think I've given any out lately, so I wouldn't think that would apply.
I'm on Firefox, but I checked on both Chrome and Edge and I don't have the option there either.
General reference for anyone reading, “Commenting on Tildes” documentation, “Exemplary” Label section:
As an aside, if this does happen to be the cool down, some kind of indicator (such as gray italicized text and a pop-up which says it's on cool-down when you click it) rather than the button missing might be a good little UI trick to make things clear
I just checked, and yeah the Exemplary label button actually does completely disappear after you use it. So having it greyed out instead so people don't get confused, and with a countdown stating when it comes back, is probably a good idea.
Added to Gitlab: https://gitlab.com/tildes/tildes/-/issues/743
Do the other labels show up correctly? Is there anything in the browser console when you click on the button?Just saw your image, don't think it's client-side then.May be a permission thing server-side otherwise, @Deimos?
I posted a screenshot above, the other labels appear as normal when I click the "Labels" button. I don't see anything other than those four labels in the browser console, but I'll be honest that I'm a bit out of my depth there. I can find the html(?) for the 4 label buttons under <menu class="comment-label-buttons"> and only the four that I can see in the screenshot I posted are present.
So you're missing the first item entirely? https://i.imgur.com/WFuIRpM.png
Yep, this is what I have. https://i.imgur.com/sVo1QYE.png
Curiouser and curiouser...
Are you:
I really don't think I have. If I did, it would have to have been in an early morning, pre-coffee fugue state because I have no memory of doing so any time recently.
See previous answer about the fugue state. Can't guarantee I didn't, but if I did I never heard anything about it.
I'm starting to doubt my own memory at this point, because it seems like I'm the only one experiencing this issue.
I disabled your ability to use Exemplary labels after you gave one to a comment that said, in its entirety, "fuck you". The user it was replying to was banned immediately, but still, it's kinda hard to think of a less exemplary comment that's ever been posted here.
I can re-enable them for you if you'll make sure to only use them for their actual purpose in the future.
As I recall, that comment was in response to someone who was celebrating the overturn of Roe v. Wade. I stand by my belief that it was exactly the right response to that comment, and was in my opinion exemplary.
If you don't feel that my own subjective judgement of what is/isn't exemplary can be trusted, then it may be best to leave it disabled. Thank you for the explanation, though.
In future, and for anyone else that might read this, it's probably best to just use the Malice label on comments like that instead. The Exemplary label is meant for high quality comments that add something substantial to the discussion, not short, angry responses to Malice-worthy comments (no matter how justified that anger is).
I guess I feel like sometimes a dispassionate, well reasoned argument is the right response to someone like that. And sometimes, a compassionate, empathetic response asking the person to see something from someone else's perspective is what's needed. But sometimes, somebody just needs to be told where they can shove it in the plainest language possible. In my opinion, this person badly needed to be told to pound sand, and I was glad somebody was saying it.
ETA: The Malice tag doesn't really sit right to me. Somebody can be harmful without being malicious. I've always had a hard time knowing when to use the Malice tag, because intent is hard to read.
I tend to correlate "exemplary" with "effort". I generally use it for instances where it's clear that a person has put a lot into a comment -- whether that's time, thought, energy, insight, etc.
Also, I agree with you on "malice". I almost never use it, because it implies a level of bad faith/hatred that I think is genuinely rare here on Tildes. I feel like "harmful" is probably more in line with the way I should think about it.
I'm partial to "Inflammatory" instead of Malice, for precisely that reason... or even just changing it to bland old "Report" so people stop feeling so hesitant to use it.
Even when in doubt as to the person's intention, I have always just used the Malice label regardless. I trust Deimos to handle things appropriately, since IMO he has always done a good job responding to them.
p.s. I have even used them on comments that weren't necessarily problematic, just to make him aware of when threads were starting to go downhill so he could keep an eye on them. And so far I haven't gotten a complaint from him about doing that.
On a kinda related note: Has anyone actually heard from Deimos recently? Last comment was in November, Gitlab activity shows nothing for the last year. He could be creeping around here under an alt (and I wouldn't blame him), but I sent him a direct message some time ago with zero reply.
I'm around, I'm just not posting (anywhere) any more. I'm still taking care of various stuff in the background though.
Sorry if I missed a message from you—it wouldn't have been deliberate, but sometimes I open something in a tab to reply to later and it gets lost in my deep sea of other ones. I'll go look back for it and reply.
A rare Deimos sighting!
Happy to see you here. Hope you're well.
Thank you sir. Will respond to it so you have it at the top of your inbox.
Well he was moderating in the Hogwarts Legacy thread five hours ago... Definitely revels in his new found lurker personality!
Answers that question, thanks. Feared the worse since I'm surrounded by death as of late (my cat on Friday, my best friend's grandmother yesterday, my mother today)...
Oh no, I'm really sorry to hear about your recent losses. That must be a lot of decompress and work through, all at once.
I hope you take some time off from whatever responsibilities you have. Watch a bad movie, or eat some ice cream if that will help. Take some time for you.
Honestly, my condolences.
Thanks Wes.
My cat is the hardest and I've been watching his favorite genre in his memory as of late (he loved scifi movies) and there's plenty of bad scifi to go around. It's getting better each day and I'm not as upset when I see places around the house that he should be, but isn't. I only cried once yesterday!
Best friend's grandmother was a long time coming, she's been just barely hanging on for years, so not unexpected. Long full life, many children, many grandchildren, many great grandchildren, and passed peacefully at home. She was a good lady and made everyone feel welcome how a good grandmother would.
My mother on the other hand was unexpected, but the death of an estranged abusive parent doesn't really trigger much response, it's perhaps cold of me to say it's more an aspect of dealing with paperwork than anything else.
Hank was beautiful. Thank you for sharing that.
I'm sorry too that your relationship with your mother wasn't a positive one. Even if it's not loss that you feel now (understandable if there was nothing to lose), I'm sure it still brings up difficult memories and feelings. Sometimes an event like that can send us right back to our childhood.
I won't pretend to understand because your situation is specific to you. It sounds like you're processing it as it comes though, and that's all any of us can do.
Thank you again for sharing and being willing to show vulnerability online. Be well.
Can't argue with the moderator if he is a grey ghost.
Sounds like a modified version of Charle's rules of arguments
1. Never seek out things to disagree with. There are too many of them out there, and correcting the ills of the world just isn't your job.2. If you come across something you disagree with while randomly browsing, let it pass without comment (see rule 1). If it's truly frustrating, write a reply, then delete it without sharing it with anyone else.3. Even in the limited scope remaining, it is not your job to correct everything you find that you disagree with. Try to limit yourself to things where the subject is at least something that makes some practical difference to your life.4. Do not argue about politics, religion, or matters of personal taste or comparative morality.
5. DO NOT argue with Lisp programmers, believers in the Semantic Web, or furries.
6. Saying something controversial in your own space (i.e. your weblog) is only arguing if you directly reference somebody you are disagreeing with (or it is clearly understood in subtext who you are disagreing with), and that person is likely to give a shit about what you said.
7. If someone disagrees with something you've said, you're already in an argument. See below.
Once you find yourself in an argument, your job is now to make your point clearly, and then leave. You are allowed two passes:1. State your case2. Clarify any misunderstandings
Out of your last 5 exemplary labels, approximately how many were given to the same person?
If you're unsure due to faulty memory well, we can't help any further then.
But this is my top theory as to why your permission was revoked.
Ooh? Are there back room deals for exemplary labels?
Hey, kid. Over here…
What you got?
Some E, a little malicejuana…
How much for the E?
One thoughtful comment, homie.
I need an admin
I'm sorry. I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at, but it looks like the reason was clarified elsewhere in the thread. Thanks.
Testing for the label
This is what I see: https://i.imgur.com/OoFPU95.png
Do you have an extensions, userscripts, ublock, stylesheet, etc installed?
I do have ublock, so I tried disabling that but it didn't make a difference. I also have a clean install of chrome with no extensions at all that I tried with, but it's the same.
Yeah, was an idea prior to seeing your response below and I tested ublock by removing the label with it and it still shows in the code. Weird...
Nerds of Tildes, assemble to solve this mystery! Has anyone here used the Exemplary label recently, are within the cooldown period, and can verify that it still shows?
I, uhh, can't as I'm pretty sure Deimos took my Exemplary label privileges away.
I still have Exemplary label privileges. I have the option of labelling exemplary right now.
Have you given the Exemplary label out in the last 8 hours?
No. Sorry I slightly misread. I have used it recently, and am outside of the cooldown period, and it shows.
I suspect that @Thertrevkaiser simply doesn't have permission.