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What is the policy on discussing emulation in ~games?

The title. And what about linking to ROM repositories? Not that I want to. Just curious.

27 comments

  1. [12]
    pseudolobster
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    Emulation is fine. Talking about emulation, including talking about piracy is fine. Linking to ROM repositories is not.

    Emulation is fine. Talking about emulation, including talking about piracy is fine. Linking to ROM repositories is not.

    27 votes
    1. [11]
      hungariantoast
      Link Parent
      This is something I'd appreciate if @Deimos would officially rule on. I know Tildes has some rules like "don't copy and paste entire news/paywalled articles into the comments" because of Canadian...

      Linking to ROM repositories is not.

      This is something I'd appreciate if @Deimos would officially rule on.

      I know Tildes has some rules like "don't copy and paste entire news/paywalled articles into the comments" because of Canadian copyright laws or whatever, but I don't recall Deimos ever explicitly saying anything about linking to other places that might host infringing material.

      So posting links to other places that may host copyright infringing material? Is that actually not allowed? Would linking to ROM sites specifically be okay?

      11 votes
      1. [4]
        pseudolobster
        (edited )
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        I have nothing more than a vague recollection at this point but I do believe he's weighed in on this before. I recall there's some stupid precedent where linking to a site that's infringing leaves...

        I have nothing more than a vague recollection at this point but I do believe he's weighed in on this before. I recall there's some stupid precedent where linking to a site that's infringing leaves you liable for some reason.

        I swear I'm not just talking out of my ass but rather extracting tiny nuggets of legitimate knowledge, from my ass, and sharing them with you.

        edit: Can't find it. I tried. I think it might have originally been about torrent sites. In any case I think the gist was "Talk about piracy if you want, but don't directly link to any actual piracy sites."

        19 votes
        1. vord
          Link Parent
          I think it's generally a good policy. The pirate sites are pretty easy to find if you are on the lookout, and linking out to them can put you under a level of scrutiny that most would rather not be.

          I think it's generally a good policy. The pirate sites are pretty easy to find if you are on the lookout, and linking out to them can put you under a level of scrutiny that most would rather not be.

          14 votes
        2. Amarok
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          Tildes has a code of conduct in the docs pages. Hyperlinks are not specifically mentioned, but that's because the policy is concerned with more fundamental things, I think. :) There are some legal...

          Tildes has a code of conduct in the docs pages. Hyperlinks are not specifically mentioned, but that's because the policy is concerned with more fundamental things, I think. :)

          There are some legal restrictions that apply to anything hosted in Canada, and that includes Tildes. Since I'm not a lawyer or Canadian or in the mood for a lengthy search I just ran it by Grok3. Since Grok is also not a lawyer, or Canadian, or capable of a deep and lengthy internet search either, take this with a grain of salt. ;)

          If I run a forum hosted in Alberta, Canada, what restrictions must I enforce on hyperlinks that users will post to my forum?

          Grok3's Response

          Running a forum hosted in Alberta, Canada, involves navigating a mix of federal and provincial laws that could affect how you handle user-posted hyperlinks. As of April 4, 2025, there are no specific laws in Alberta or Canada that directly restrict hyperlinks themselves in a blanket way on forums. However, the content those hyperlinks point to—and the context in which they’re posted—can trigger legal responsibilities under various frameworks. Below, I’ll outline the key considerations and restrictions you should enforce to stay compliant and minimize liability, based on current Canadian legal principles and emerging trends.

          Key Legal Considerations for Hyperlinks on Your Forum

          1. Defamation Law (Federal and Provincial Common Law)

          • Restriction: Hyperlinks to defamatory content (e.g., false statements harming someone’s reputation) could expose you to liability if you’re seen as endorsing or actively facilitating the spread of that content.
          • What to enforce: Monitor and remove hyperlinks that lead to defamatory material if you’re notified or if it’s blatantly obvious. Canada’s Supreme Court ruled in Crookes v. Newton (2011) that simply posting a hyperlink doesn’t make you liable for defamation unless you repeat or adopt the content as your own. However, if your forum explicitly encourages or contextualizes the link in a way that amplifies the defamation, you could be on the hook.
          • Action: Set a policy requiring users to avoid posting links to content that defames individuals or entities, and act promptly on complaints.

          2. Copyright Infringement (Copyright Act, Federal)

          • Restriction: Links to pirated or copyrighted material (e.g., illegal streaming sites, torrent pages) could implicate your forum if you’re deemed to “authorize” infringement.
          • What to enforce: Prohibit hyperlinks to sites hosting unauthorized copies of movies, music, software, etc. While linking itself isn’t infringement under Canadian law (Crookes again applies), knowingly hosting links to illegal content might attract scrutiny, especially if your forum profits from or encourages such activity.
          • Action: Include a rule banning links to pirated content and remove them when identified. Consider a takedown process for copyright complaints under the Notice and Notice regime (Copyright Act, s. 41.25), which requires ISPs to forward infringement notices but doesn’t directly apply to forum operators—still, it’s a good practice to avoid being a conduit.

          3. Hate Speech and Illegal Content (Criminal Code, Federal)

          • Restriction: Hyperlinks to content promoting hate speech, terrorism, or other illegal activities (e.g., child exploitation material) are a serious no-go. Under s. 319 of the Criminal Code, public incitement of hatred is a crime, and s. 163.1 covers child pornography.
          • What to enforce: Ban links to sites with hate speech (targeting protected groups like race, religion, or ethnicity), terrorist propaganda, or explicit illegal material. If you knowingly allow such links to persist, you could face criminal liability as a contributor or facilitator.
          • Action: Actively moderate for these links and remove them immediately. Report egregious cases (e.g., child exploitation) to law enforcement like the RCMP.

          4. Privacy Laws (PIPA, Alberta; PIPEDA, Federal)

          • Restriction: Links that expose personal information without consent could violate Alberta’s Personal Information Protection Act (PIPA) or the federal Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act (PIPEDA), depending on your forum’s scope. For example, a link to a doxxing site or leaked data dump.
          • What to enforce: Disallow links that lead to private personal data (e.g., addresses, SINs, medical records) unless the poster has clear consent or it’s publicly available by law. PIPA applies to private organizations in Alberta, and if your forum collects user data, you’re responsible for safeguarding it.
          • Action: Remove such links if flagged, and warn users against posting them. Alberta’s new Protection of Privacy Act (Bill 33, passed late 2024, effective spring 2025) strengthens public-sector privacy but doesn’t directly govern private forums—still, it signals a broader privacy focus that could influence future rulings.

          5. Misinformation and Consumer Protection (Competition Act, Federal)

          • Restriction: Links to scams, fraudulent schemes, or misleading content (e.g., fake health cures) could draw regulatory attention under the Competition Act for deceptive marketing practices, even if you’re not the source.
          • What to enforce: Discourage links to obvious scams or disinformation hubs. While I can’t judge misinformation’s truth (per my guidelines), you might face pressure if your forum becomes a vector for harmful fraud.
          • Action: Add a rule against linking to fraudulent or deceptive sites, and take down links if they’re reported as scams.

          6. Emerging Online Regulation (Bill C-63, Federal, if passed)

          • Restriction: The Online Harms Act (Bill C-63), tabled in 2024, aims to regulate online platforms for harmful content like hate speech, terrorist content, and non-consensual intimate images. If it passes by 2025, forums could face stricter duties to remove linked content within 24 hours of a report.
          • What to enforce: Prepare for potential proactive monitoring of links to “harmful content” categories (still TBD but likely aligned with Criminal Code offenses). Alberta’s government often resists federal overreach, but this law would apply nationwide.
          • Action: Stay updated on C-63’s status and build a quick-response system for link removal if it becomes law.

          Practical Enforcement Steps

          • Terms of Service (ToS): Draft a clear ToS banning hyperlinks to illegal, defamatory, infringing, or harmful content. State that you reserve the right to remove posts at your discretion (private platform, your rules).
          • Moderation: Use human moderators or AI filters to catch problematic links early. Respond to user reports swiftly.
          • User Warnings: Notify users who post restricted links and suspend repeat offenders.
          • Location Context: Since you’re in Alberta, hosting is likely subject to Canadian jurisdiction, but if users link to foreign sites, enforcement gets trickier—focus on what you can control (your platform).

          Alberta-Specific Notes

          Alberta’s legal landscape doesn’t currently impose unique hyperlink restrictions beyond federal laws. However, the province’s pushback against federal policies (e.g., via the Alberta Sovereignty Within a United Canada Act) might complicate future online regulations if tensions escalate. For now, align with federal standards and keep an eye on provincial privacy updates like the Protection of Privacy Act rollout in spring 2025.

          Final Thoughts

          You’re not legally required to police every hyperlink preemptively, but you must act if you’re aware of illegal or harmful content. Canadian law leans on notice-and-takedown rather than proactive censorship, but staying ahead with clear rules and moderation keeps you safe. If you’re unsure about a specific case, consult a lawyer familiar with Alberta’s digital legal space—laws evolve fast, especially with online platforms in the spotlight.


          2 votes
        3. crissequeira
          Link Parent
          lol

          ...but rather extracting tiny nuggets of legitimate knowledge, from my ass, and sharing them with you.

          lol

          2 votes
      2. [3]
        nahkoots
        Link Parent
        Deimos said it's not allowed. https://tildes.net/~books/jq9/e_books_at_libraries_are_a_huge_hit_leading_to_long_waits_reader_hacks_and_worried_publishers#comment-48qs
        9 votes
        1. [2]
          hungariantoast
          Link Parent
          Ah yeah, there it is cc @pseudolobster

          Ah yeah, there it is

          cc @pseudolobster

          3 votes
          1. pseudolobster
            (edited )
            Link Parent
            Thanks for the @. I remember this thread, but I'm less than 50% sure that was the one I was thinking about. I actually still kinda think the one I was thinking of might have been directly related...

            Thanks for the @. I remember this thread, but I'm less than 50% sure that was the one I was thinking about.

            I actually still kinda think the one I was thinking of might have been directly related to ROMs. But, I could be mistaken.

            Anyway, yeah, the sentiment is the same.

            2 votes
      3. updawg
        Link Parent
        Yes, I don't see how it's any different from linking to archive.ph/.is/.md.

        Yes, I don't see how it's any different from linking to archive.ph/.is/.md.

        4 votes
      4. [2]
        Raspcoffee
        Link Parent
        For the record, does this also count on articles that are not paywalled? I sometimes provide translations of Dutch sources in the Offbeat threads on Friday when I find something funny or odd.

        I know Tildes has some rules like "don't copy and paste entire news/paywalled articles into the comments" because of Canadian copyright laws or whatever, but I don't recall Deimos ever explicitly saying anything about linking to other places that might host infringing material.

        For the record, does this also count on articles that are not paywalled? I sometimes provide translations of Dutch sources in the Offbeat threads on Friday when I find something funny or odd.

        2 votes
        1. pseudolobster
          Link Parent
          This is an edge case. I really doubt it will ever become an issue, especially if your translations are unique and made by hand, however I think if it came down to it, you still shouldn't repeat...

          This is an edge case. I really doubt it will ever become an issue, especially if your translations are unique and made by hand, however I think if it came down to it, you still shouldn't repeat more than a paragraph or three.

          If you translate and repost the entire article verbatim, in my opinion I think it's still copyright infringement. I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. I do not work for Tildes, and my opinion is that of a layperson.

          4 votes
  2. [10]
    Wafik
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    Emulators are generally legal in most places so I can't imagine anyone would have an issue with discussing them. I imagine linking to a Patreon, discord server, or asking for payment to get access...

    Emulators are generally legal in most places so I can't imagine anyone would have an issue with discussing them. I imagine linking to a Patreon, discord server, or asking for payment to get access to an emulator would be frowned upon.

    ROMs are easy to find but illegal in most places. I can't speak for others, but I can't see a good reason to link to them here.

    7 votes
    1. [9]
      Amarok
      Link Parent
      Indeed. All one ever needs to link to in any discussions of piracy is Jackett. Why link to a pirate site when you can link to an open source program that searches the entire torrent-sphere from...

      Indeed. All one ever needs to link to in any discussions of piracy is Jackett. Why link to a pirate site when you can link to an open source program that searches the entire torrent-sphere from inside one's torrent client of choice?

      5 votes
      1. [8]
        crissequeira
        Link Parent
        Wow. What on earth is this? I have never heard of it before. Can dumb people like me learn how to use it?

        Wow. What on earth is this? I have never heard of it before. Can dumb people like me learn how to use it?

        2 votes
        1. [7]
          Amarok
          (edited )
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          Well, the simplest way to use it is probably like this... Learn to use Docker (which is fairly straightforward) Install the Docker version of Jackett Once it's running, open your web browser to...

          Well, the simplest way to use it is probably like this...

          1. Learn to use Docker (which is fairly straightforward)
          2. Install the Docker version of Jackett
          3. Once it's running, open your web browser to http://localhost:9117 to access the controls
          4. Enable/disable various trackers to your preferences, put credentials in for any private ones
          5. Install qBittorrent and follow the directions to integrate Jackett into qBittorrent

          Now when you use the search feature inside of qBittorrent, it'll search every single tracker you configured in the Jackett control panel. Or, in other words, you never need to bother visiting torrent sites again, because that search will almost never fail to find what you are looking for even if you use only public trackers.

          1 vote
          1. [5]
            updawg
            Link Parent
            What advantages does that provide over the programmer setting it up to be installed by just running an installer? I never understand why people in GitHub always make their shit so complicated to...

            What advantages does that provide over the programmer setting it up to be installed by just running an installer? I never understand why people in GitHub always make their shit so complicated to install or even find installation instructions for.

            5 votes
            1. [2]
              Weldawadyathink
              Link Parent
              Docker is incredibly helpful for deploying these sorts of programs. The developer only needs to write, test, debug, and deploy a single version of that program. That single version can run...

              Docker is incredibly helpful for deploying these sorts of programs. The developer only needs to write, test, debug, and deploy a single version of that program. That single version can run natively(ish) on every single desktop operating system, every single server operating system, and even some serverless platforms like AWS Lambda. The developer doesn’t need to deal with any of the bullshit that some operating systems have. For example, windows by default limits the maximum file path length, or macOS being unix(ish) and not Linux, or windows using CRLF for text file line endings. There is a meme that the customer will report a bug, and the developer will respond « it works on my machine ». Docker is basically just sending the customer the developer’s machine. Well, their entire operating system. That alone solves a whole host of issues.

              As for why this particular program is more complex than running a docker command, that is just the nature of the program. Jackett developers only want to create a unified api server. They don’t want to build their own torrent client. If they created an installer that installs just Jackett (which, per the other comment, they have), you may still complain that it is too complex since it requires integrating with qbittorrent, which you have to install separately. If they bundled them together, that may be against the copyright terms for qbittorrent.

              13 votes
              1. updawg
                Link Parent
                Thank you! That's a great explanation.

                Thank you! That's a great explanation.

                2 votes
            2. sparksbet
              Link Parent
              The instructions on the github repo for Jackett include instructions for using an installer on Windows and installing it both as a service and not on Linux, in addition to the Docker instructions.

              The instructions on the github repo for Jackett include instructions for using an installer on Windows and installing it both as a service and not on Linux, in addition to the Docker instructions.

              2 votes
            3. Amarok
              Link Parent
              The main advantage of using their Docker container is that it updates without the user needing to do anything. Torrent sites have a high turnover, new ones coming in, old ones changing interfaces...

              The main advantage of using their Docker container is that it updates without the user needing to do anything. Torrent sites have a high turnover, new ones coming in, old ones changing interfaces or moving URLs or being shut down. Using the container means you can ignore all of that fluff and let the Jackett developers handle it for you.

              There's little point in running something like this natively imo. If I install it locally, then it has to share mysql with anything else using mysql on my system, and its ports/services are attack vectors. It doesn't need to be running all the time, just when I need to do a search. I just spin up the docker container, use it, then shut it back down. Lazy is the main selling point of Docker. ;)

              2 votes
          2. CptBluebear
            Link Parent
            Similarly Prowlarr if you're into the Arr software. I find it more intuitive than Jackett. I have both running and feeding into Sonarr and Radarr (and into qbittorrent on my desktop) and Prowlarr...

            Similarly Prowlarr if you're into the Arr software. I find it more intuitive than Jackett. I have both running and feeding into Sonarr and Radarr (and into qbittorrent on my desktop) and Prowlarr just makes the integration easier.

            3 votes
  3. [4]
    elight
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    I'm unaware of "rules" per se, in general, on tildes. There are norms. If you deviate from them, people tend to say something not particularly impolite.

    I'm unaware of "rules" per se, in general, on tildes. There are norms. If you deviate from them, people tend to say something not particularly impolite.

    5 votes
    1. [3]
      boxer_dogs_dance
      Link Parent
      If you link an archive copy of a paywalled article as the original poster, it will be edited to use the legal version. Commenters are free to post archive links although I believe gift links are...

      If you link an archive copy of a paywalled article as the original poster, it will be edited to use the legal version.

      Commenters are free to post archive links although I believe gift links are preferred.

      4 votes
      1. lou
        Link Parent
        There's no restriction on archive links in comments. Gift links don't always work for everyone and sometimes the website can change how they work afterwards.

        There's no restriction on archive links in comments. Gift links don't always work for everyone and sometimes the website can change how they work afterwards.

        4 votes
  4. lou
    Link
    You can talk freely about emulation and piracy. But don't provide direct links. Here's a recent post about piracy that I made: https://tildes.net/~tech/1myp/stremio_is_an_impressive_program.

    You can talk freely about emulation and piracy. But don't provide direct links.

    Here's a recent post about piracy that I made: https://tildes.net/~tech/1myp/stremio_is_an_impressive_program.

    5 votes