Agreed. If any kind of reward system exists, I think it should be reserved for true contributions to the site, maybe in the form of trophies or flair. For things like drafting...
Agreed. If any kind of reward system exists, I think it should be reserved for true contributions to the site, maybe in the form of trophies or flair. For things like drafting policy/procedure/guides/internal documentation, contributing code to the open source project, finding a bug, etc. I don't like a system that compensates users (even in fake points) for merely posting and commenting. Users should be doing that because they genuinely want to share and discuss a topic, not because they're motivated through gamification.
Former reddit karmawhore here. Yes, I think it would. At one point I had the 10th highest comment karma on the site. I'd often see a post in /rising or /top?t=hour that I just knew would hit #1 on...
Former reddit karmawhore here. Yes, I think it would.
At one point I had the 10th highest comment karma on the site. I'd often see a post in /rising or /top?t=hour that I just knew would hit #1 on /r/all, so I'd force myself to try and come up with the top reply before anyone else.
I'm fairly witty, so sometimes these were rather good jokes, but either way it was low effort, and I was exploiting a flaw in the sorting for my own dopamine release. This is at odds with what the sorting system is supposed to accomplish. I knew as long as I came up with something slightly wittier than all the comments currently on the post, I'd make top comment and get thousands of karma. Sometimes I'd have something insightful to write. Sometimes I'd expand on or correct the OP, but more often this meant finding a really relevant movie reference, reaction gif, etc. Not exactly high quality in-depth content.
I absolutely know I would have done this far less if I didn't have a high score and could compare my high score to others.
I agree displaying an accurate vote count is a bad thing. Displaying a rough vote count is less harmful. I would suggest that 1 vote is recorded as such, then the 2-10 band, then the 11-100 band,...
I agree displaying an accurate vote count is a bad thing. Displaying a rough vote count is less harmful. I would suggest that 1 vote is recorded as such, then the 2-10 band, then the 11-100 band, and so on. Don't bother fuzzing the numbers the way reddit does, but a rough indicator tells a user whether they're doing something right without making it possible to fish for points effectively. Fishing for points works on Reddit because every +1 counts, but with only a broad indicator of your current points band, it's more effective just to be a good contributor. By using a power-of ten scale, noobs with <10 or so points get more precise feedback, but old hands, for whom a few hundred upvotes is no big deal, just get a general indicator.
I can get behind this. It seems like a good middle ground. Don't give people exact numbers, but give them an idea of where they stand in terms of the trust/rep system. Gamify it to a point, but...
I can get behind this. It seems like a good middle ground. Don't give people exact numbers, but give them an idea of where they stand in terms of the trust/rep system. Gamify it to a point, but don't allow it to become an obsession for a user. Limit the dopamine release. Unlock new abilities with your trust level, but don't make it an interactive grind to do so.
Edit: Interesting first post, stranger. I like what you say. Why not introduce yourself on ~talk?
I replied similar not too long ago except I suggested just getting rid of vote counts all together and using shades of colour to indicate ranges of popularity. But there are several vote types...
I replied similar not too long ago except I suggested just getting rid of vote counts all together and using shades of colour to indicate ranges of popularity.
But there are several vote types that can be discussed; the vote count for each post, the vote count for each reply, the total tally of votes per user per submission, and the total votes of comment votes per user. The last 2 are pointless. The first one is helpful to indicate a quality article or discussion. The second one I can't see the value in and is the one I wish would switch from a number to some other method of measurement.
Leaderboards and gamification like that work, we just need better ways of harnessing them. I'm thinking the Oscars vs the latest boxoffice dollar figures by way of comparison. Highscores and...
I absolutely know I would have done this far less if I didn't have a high score and could compare my high score to others.
Leaderboards and gamification like that work, we just need better ways of harnessing them.
I'm thinking the Oscars vs the latest boxoffice dollar figures by way of comparison. Highscores and reddit karma points are the boxoffice dollar figures; important, but a good movie they do not always indicate.
And automated minimum word count restrictions tend to just result in people padding their posts with irrelevant content in order to meet that requirement. Low character counts do have some...
And automated minimum word count restrictions tend to just result in people padding their posts with irrelevant content in order to meet that requirement. Low character counts do have some correlation to low effort posting overall, but it can not be used as the sole metric to judge it.
I'm mentioned ❤️ I agree. I think especially topics like mine where you ask knowledgeable people questions can be short but give amazing insight. A lot of people put together a great amount of...
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I agree. I think especially topics like mine where you ask knowledgeable people questions can be short but give amazing insight. A lot of people put together a great amount of information. That's what I love about reddit / tildes
How do you determine "low-effort"? The number of reports? (How will you protect against brigades?) Or some advanced AI with natural language processing? (Not possible on today's commodity hardware.)
How do you determine "low-effort"? The number of reports? (How will you protect against brigades?) Or some advanced AI with natural language processing? (Not possible on today's commodity hardware.)
I made a site to address this problem: https://tildeskarma.com edit: but seriously, I hear you a bit. I'm a sucker for gamification apparently. I really wanted a score as well, but I like that...
This is the kind of post I want to save. I know I'm going to forget it but... I can imagine 60 years from now, when we're all either dead or elderly, this server will still be up, serving this...
This is the kind of post I want to save. I know I'm going to forget it but... I can imagine 60 years from now, when we're all either dead or elderly, this server will still be up, serving this quote to the few lone stragglers who stumble upon it over the years :D
Cause I don't use bookmarks and I know I'll lose it eventually :( and since we can't find our old comments at the moment, I'll have no way to access this conversation again in a few weeks unless...
Cause I don't use bookmarks and I know I'll lose it eventually :( and since we can't find our old comments at the moment, I'll have no way to access this conversation again in a few weeks unless it gets very lucky with activity or something...
Why don't you use bookmarks? You already have a useful way to store internet links (bookmarks in your browser) but you refuse to use it. Why should this site build a whole feature just because you...
Why don't you use bookmarks?
You already have a useful way to store internet links (bookmarks in your browser) but you refuse to use it. Why should this site build a whole feature just because you refuse to use bookmarks which do exactly the same thing?
Because it would be a super simple thing to add, just a list of post Id's per user, that would make life much easier. Cross platform and especially cross browser syncing is glitchy af, I still...
Because it would be a super simple thing to add, just a list of post Id's per user, that would make life much easier. Cross platform and especially cross browser syncing is glitchy af, I still have my screwed up bookmarks menu from the last time I tried, whereas Tildes could guarantee consistency and availability on everything we use. Furthermore, when Tildes regains tagging, it could potentially support searching your saved posts by tag, which Firefox's only supports if you manually enter every tag. And as much as I would like it, especially since we can't easily access old posts on this website, it doesn't have to be a priority if Deimos doesn't like it. But it would be a quick and easy to implement little feature that wouldn't change anything for you if you don't want to use it...
Booksmarks are good for sites you frequently visit but those alone fill my bookmark bar even though they're all neatly ordered in folders. I have a couple of other misc sites saved but I honestly...
Booksmarks are good for sites you frequently visit but those alone fill my bookmark bar even though they're all neatly ordered in folders. I have a couple of other misc sites saved but I honestly never look at those. But then again, half the time I save something on reddit I forget it too...
I do actually. But I bought that one when this question was brought up a while ago. I figured someone would eventually scrape tildes.net and make a karma score for everyone. I figured I would get...
I do actually. But I bought that one when this question was brought up a while ago. I figured someone would eventually scrape tildes.net and make a karma score for everyone. I figured I would get in the way of that, or maybe turn ⛧evil⛧ one day and implement it myself :)
That's actually pretty cool, who'd you buy it from? I've been a lot into web development the past month and been playing with the idea of hosting a very small website.
That's actually pretty cool, who'd you buy it from? I've been a lot into web development the past month and been playing with the idea of hosting a very small website.
It was not taken, so I just used namecheap.com for the domain name and I have some old hosting I used for this at bluehost. There was tons of extra bandwidth on that bluehost account, but they are...
It was not taken, so I just used namecheap.com for the domain name and I have some old hosting I used for this at bluehost. There was tons of extra bandwidth on that bluehost account, but they are not the best host at all. I use AWS for work, maybe someone else could suggest a good entry-level consumer host?
Ha. Haha. HAHAHA. HAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHA!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Because Reddit is chock-full of good high-quality content? Oh, you poor sweet innocent child. Reddit is full of crap. There are some places...
It will keep the bad content out, just like reddit.
Ha. Haha. HAHAHA. HAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHA!!HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Because Reddit is chock-full of good high-quality content? Oh, you poor sweet innocent child. Reddit is full of crap. There are some places on Reddit where you can find good high-quality content, but they are FAR outweighed by the places where bad low-quality content thrives. They are islands of civilisation in a sea of barbarism.
This has been analysed to death on Reddit and elsewhere, but content which is quick to consume will always attract more votes than content which is slow to consume. In the time it takes to read a 10-paragraph article and upvote it, you could view 10 memes and upvote them. If I'm the sort of person who is motivated by getting karma, which content am I more likely to post to earn that karma?
Showing people's karma counts will encourage gamification of the system. If you motivate people by giving them karma, you are encouraging content which will earn lots of karma quicky: 10 memes instead of 1 long article.
What exactly do you mean by that? Are you referring to the gamification aspect helping encourage submissions, or something else? Regardless, you should read the documentation on the planned...
It will be really helpful for the front pag.e
What exactly do you mean by that? Are you referring to the gamification aspect helping encourage submissions, or something else?
Regardless, you should read the documentation on the planned Trust/Reputation System since there will be "trust points" of sorts on Tildes, although they will not be solely derived from the amount of votes your comments and topic submissions receive, like they are on reddit. And rather than being meaningless, Trust/Rep will also have tangible benefits in the form of increased rights (and responsibilities) in the group/s in which you earn it.
p.s. "man i swear i hate sjws"... you should really think twice about posting that sort of thing on Tildes, IMO. I cannot see exactly what you wrote since you deleted it, but I can see the criticism of it which leads me to believe it was not a thoughtful post attempting to discuss the potential pitfalls of the social justice movement but instead simply a soapbox rant full of strawman arguments, which isn't appreciated here.
Fair enough and your criticism is well recieved and appreciated. In retrospect I probably should have made that p.s. part as a PM to OP rather than air it publicly.
Fair enough and your criticism is well recieved and appreciated. In retrospect I probably should have made that p.s. part as a PM to OP rather than air it publicly.
Can you please tone down all the low-effort posts? You've already deleted one post 10 minutes ago and now you write another. If you have an idea, do the minimal amount of due diligence of reading...
Can you please tone down all the low-effort posts? You've already deleted one post 10 minutes ago and now you write another. If you have an idea, do the minimal amount of due diligence of reading about the Tildes system and/or (preferably and) formulate arguments in support of your ideas
I wonder, though. Don't we already pretty much have it with vote numbers? I'm sure most people here have an idea whether or not their posts do well in votes. And it's right there in your recent...
I wonder, though. Don't we already pretty much have it with vote numbers? I'm sure most people here have an idea whether or not their posts do well in votes. And it's right there in your recent activity if you need to be reminded. Keeping a mental check on that is human nature. No one really wants to post on a site for no one to see it.
Even if you stopped displaying comment vote numbers and just used them to sort the comments, people would check how high their comments rose; same on the front page for topics.
There is a difference between knowing that a single post has done well, and being able to compare my total karma to yours. One makes me want to post good content because I like to see it being...
There is a difference between knowing that a single post has done well, and being able to compare my total karma to yours. One makes me want to post good content because I like to see it being appreciated. The other makes me want to post whatever content I can to earn lots of votes to get a higher score than you.
What about getting rid of the 'score' and using a more arbitrary method to differentiate quality posts? A slight change of colour to the background of the reply to make it more contrasted could...
What about getting rid of the 'score' and using a more arbitrary method to differentiate quality posts? A slight change of colour to the background of the reply to make it more contrasted could differentiate it from a non-voted post. Different colours represent vote ranges, experienced users would be able to identify high scoring posts quickly, new members have to figure it out.
Why do we need a score? Has this been discussed previously? What was the consensus?
Once the much-talked about 'Trust' system begins to be implemented, I'd definitely like to see an indication -- even it's just private to yourself -- of what your trust level is within a different...
Once the much-talked about 'Trust' system begins to be implemented, I'd definitely like to see an indication -- even it's just private to yourself -- of what your trust level is within a different group. It wouldn't even need to be a hard number, something as much as 'High Trust' vs. 'Medium Trust' would be good.
I don't think having actual points would be productive for Tildes, though. Too many people on reddit get caught up in chasing those imaginary internet points, and to be honest they don't matter at all.
It's basically impossible to say how it would be implemented, as the trust system at this point is nothing more than a general theory. I'm sure there's more discussions on the trust system if you...
It's basically impossible to say how it would be implemented, as the trust system at this point is nothing more than a general theory. I'm sure there's more discussions on the trust system if you look back through ~tildes.
Tildes' own documentation about the plans for this: "Trust/reputation system for moderation" I believe the system proposed for Tildes shares some similarities with the system used at Stack...
Once the much-talked about "trust" system begins to be implemented, I think you'll have concrete evidence of what your trust level is within different groups. When you start getting the ability to...
Once the much-talked about "trust" system begins to be implemented, I think you'll have concrete evidence of what your trust level is within different groups. When you start getting the ability to edit tags on other people's posts in one group, you'll know your trust level is good. When you start getting the ability to move posts from one group to another group, you'll know your trust level is better.
As I said in another comment, I am a sucker for gamification as well. I just realized I have been using Tildes incorrectly to scratch that itch. I stopped marking my inbox messages as read. And...
As I said in another comment, I am a sucker for gamification as well. I just realized I have been using Tildes incorrectly to scratch that itch. I stopped marking my inbox messages as read. And today we got the new unread counter next to our name in the upper right. So that is my “tildes score” - how many responses I have. My current Tildes score is 92 :)
I disagree that there shouldn't be a karma system with meaningless points as it encourages bad low quality posts to arise and take over. I do think a system to award people by participating would...
I disagree that there shouldn't be a karma system with meaningless points as it encourages bad low quality posts to arise and take over. I do think a system to award people by participating would be nice though, just not for posting and commenting.
The problem with points is that it encourages low effort posts for the sake of gaining points. Just look at Reddit.
Agreed. If any kind of reward system exists, I think it should be reserved for true contributions to the site, maybe in the form of trophies or flair. For things like drafting policy/procedure/guides/internal documentation, contributing code to the open source project, finding a bug, etc. I don't like a system that compensates users (even in fake points) for merely posting and commenting. Users should be doing that because they genuinely want to share and discuss a topic, not because they're motivated through gamification.
Former reddit karmawhore here. Yes, I think it would.
At one point I had the 10th highest comment karma on the site. I'd often see a post in /rising or /top?t=hour that I just knew would hit #1 on /r/all, so I'd force myself to try and come up with the top reply before anyone else.
I'm fairly witty, so sometimes these were rather good jokes, but either way it was low effort, and I was exploiting a flaw in the sorting for my own dopamine release. This is at odds with what the sorting system is supposed to accomplish. I knew as long as I came up with something slightly wittier than all the comments currently on the post, I'd make top comment and get thousands of karma. Sometimes I'd have something insightful to write. Sometimes I'd expand on or correct the OP, but more often this meant finding a really relevant movie reference, reaction gif, etc. Not exactly high quality in-depth content.
I absolutely know I would have done this far less if I didn't have a high score and could compare my high score to others.
I agree displaying an accurate vote count is a bad thing. Displaying a rough vote count is less harmful. I would suggest that 1 vote is recorded as such, then the 2-10 band, then the 11-100 band, and so on. Don't bother fuzzing the numbers the way reddit does, but a rough indicator tells a user whether they're doing something right without making it possible to fish for points effectively. Fishing for points works on Reddit because every +1 counts, but with only a broad indicator of your current points band, it's more effective just to be a good contributor. By using a power-of ten scale, noobs with <10 or so points get more precise feedback, but old hands, for whom a few hundred upvotes is no big deal, just get a general indicator.
I can get behind this. It seems like a good middle ground. Don't give people exact numbers, but give them an idea of where they stand in terms of the trust/rep system. Gamify it to a point, but don't allow it to become an obsession for a user. Limit the dopamine release. Unlock new abilities with your trust level, but don't make it an interactive grind to do so.
Edit: Interesting first post, stranger. I like what you say. Why not introduce yourself on ~talk?
I replied similar not too long ago except I suggested just getting rid of vote counts all together and using shades of colour to indicate ranges of popularity.
But there are several vote types that can be discussed; the vote count for each post, the vote count for each reply, the total tally of votes per user per submission, and the total votes of comment votes per user. The last 2 are pointless. The first one is helpful to indicate a quality article or discussion. The second one I can't see the value in and is the one I wish would switch from a number to some other method of measurement.
As you said, it is likely someone would develop a script to satisfy your data needs. For the others, score should remain hidden for all.
Leaderboards and gamification like that work, we just need better ways of harnessing them.
I'm thinking the Oscars vs the latest boxoffice dollar figures by way of comparison. Highscores and reddit karma points are the boxoffice dollar figures; important, but a good movie they do not always indicate.
Deimos can make a script that can delete low-effort posts.
And how might this script work? Would it remove posts with very few words like this one?
Yes.
And automated minimum word count restrictions tend to just result in people padding their posts with irrelevant content in order to meet that requirement. Low character counts do have some correlation to low effort posting overall, but it can not be used as the sole metric to judge it.
I'm mentioned ❤️
I agree. I think especially topics like mine where you ask knowledgeable people questions can be short but give amazing insight. A lot of people put together a great amount of information. That's what I love about reddit / tildes
lol +1 for honesty
How do you determine "low-effort"? The number of reports? (How will you protect against brigades?) Or some advanced AI with natural language processing? (Not possible on today's commodity hardware.)
It definitely requires a human, at least for now. It's what moderation is supposed to be, but that's another slippery slope.
I made a site to address this problem: https://tildeskarma.com
edit: but seriously, I hear you a bit. I'm a sucker for gamification apparently. I really wanted a score as well, but I like that there isn't one now.
This is the kind of post I want to save. I know I'm going to forget it but... I can imagine 60 years from now, when we're all either dead or elderly, this server will still be up, serving this quote to the few lone stragglers who stumble upon it over the years :D
Well in that case, here's the entirety of that site for archival purposes:
Why save the comment when you can bookmark the site itself?
Cause I don't use bookmarks and I know I'll lose it eventually :( and since we can't find our old comments at the moment, I'll have no way to access this conversation again in a few weeks unless it gets very lucky with activity or something...
Why don't you use bookmarks?
You already have a useful way to store internet links (bookmarks in your browser) but you refuse to use it. Why should this site build a whole feature just because you refuse to use bookmarks which do exactly the same thing?
Because it would be a super simple thing to add, just a list of post Id's per user, that would make life much easier. Cross platform and especially cross browser syncing is glitchy af, I still have my screwed up bookmarks menu from the last time I tried, whereas Tildes could guarantee consistency and availability on everything we use. Furthermore, when Tildes regains tagging, it could potentially support searching your saved posts by tag, which Firefox's only supports if you manually enter every tag. And as much as I would like it, especially since we can't easily access old posts on this website, it doesn't have to be a priority if Deimos doesn't like it. But it would be a quick and easy to implement little feature that wouldn't change anything for you if you don't want to use it...
Booksmarks are good for sites you frequently visit but those alone fill my bookmark bar even though they're all neatly ordered in folders. I have a couple of other misc sites saved but I honestly never look at those. But then again, half the time I save something on reddit I forget it too...
On Reddit, I save comments and articles, then never look at them again! :-D
That's neat, you just got domains hanging around?
I do actually. But I bought that one when this question was brought up a while ago. I figured someone would eventually scrape tildes.net and make a karma score for everyone. I figured I would get in the way of that, or maybe turn ⛧evil⛧ one day and implement it myself :)
That's actually pretty cool, who'd you buy it from? I've been a lot into web development the past month and been playing with the idea of hosting a very small website.
Awesome reply, thank you for your suggestions. I had no idea that information was freely available. (:
It was not taken, so I just used namecheap.com for the domain name and I have some old hosting I used for this at bluehost. There was tons of extra bandwidth on that bluehost account, but they are not the best host at all. I use AWS for work, maybe someone else could suggest a good entry-level consumer host?
Given that Tildes is a .net domain, shouldn't you also nab https://tildeskarma.net for consistency?
Yes, probably. Sorry for the low effort :) But this raises the eternal question: how far do you take the joke?
It can maintain order for it. It will keep the bad content out, just like reddit.
Isn't one of the reasons people want a Reddit alternative because Reddits content sucks?
I know it is for me.
Ha. Haha. HAHAHA. HAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHA!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Because Reddit is chock-full of good high-quality content? Oh, you poor sweet innocent child. Reddit is full of crap. There are some places on Reddit where you can find good high-quality content, but they are FAR outweighed by the places where bad low-quality content thrives. They are islands of civilisation in a sea of barbarism.
This has been analysed to death on Reddit and elsewhere, but content which is quick to consume will always attract more votes than content which is slow to consume. In the time it takes to read a 10-paragraph article and upvote it, you could view 10 memes and upvote them. If I'm the sort of person who is motivated by getting karma, which content am I more likely to post to earn that karma?
Showing people's karma counts will encourage gamification of the system. If you motivate people by giving them karma, you are encouraging content which will earn lots of karma quicky: 10 memes instead of 1 long article.
What exactly do you mean by that? Are you referring to the gamification aspect helping encourage submissions, or something else?
Regardless, you should read the documentation on the planned Trust/Reputation System since there will be "trust points" of sorts on Tildes, although they will not be solely derived from the amount of votes your comments and topic submissions receive, like they are on reddit. And rather than being meaningless, Trust/Rep will also have tangible benefits in the form of increased rights (and responsibilities) in the group/s in which you earn it.
p.s. "man i swear i hate sjws"... you should really think twice about posting that sort of thing on Tildes, IMO. I cannot see exactly what you wrote since you deleted it, but I can see the criticism of it which leads me to believe it was not a thoughtful post attempting to discuss the potential pitfalls of the social justice movement but instead simply a soapbox rant full of strawman arguments, which isn't appreciated here.Fair enough and your criticism is well recieved and appreciated. In retrospect I probably should have made that p.s. part as a PM to OP rather than air it publicly.
Can you please tone down all the low-effort posts? You've already deleted one post 10 minutes ago and now you write another. If you have an idea, do the minimal amount of due diligence of reading about the Tildes system and/or (preferably and) formulate arguments in support of your ideas
Please NEVER introduce anything similar to karma on reddit. Never.
I wonder, though. Don't we already pretty much have it with vote numbers? I'm sure most people here have an idea whether or not their posts do well in votes. And it's right there in your recent activity if you need to be reminded. Keeping a mental check on that is human nature. No one really wants to post on a site for no one to see it.
Even if you stopped displaying comment vote numbers and just used them to sort the comments, people would check how high their comments rose; same on the front page for topics.
There is a difference between knowing that a single post has done well, and being able to compare my total karma to yours. One makes me want to post good content because I like to see it being appreciated. The other makes me want to post whatever content I can to earn lots of votes to get a higher score than you.
What about getting rid of the 'score' and using a more arbitrary method to differentiate quality posts? A slight change of colour to the background of the reply to make it more contrasted could differentiate it from a non-voted post. Different colours represent vote ranges, experienced users would be able to identify high scoring posts quickly, new members have to figure it out.
Why do we need a score? Has this been discussed previously? What was the consensus?
Once the much-talked about 'Trust' system begins to be implemented, I'd definitely like to see an indication -- even it's just private to yourself -- of what your trust level is within a different group. It wouldn't even need to be a hard number, something as much as 'High Trust' vs. 'Medium Trust' would be good.
I don't think having actual points would be productive for Tildes, though. Too many people on reddit get caught up in chasing those imaginary internet points, and to be honest they don't matter at all.
It's basically impossible to say how it would be implemented, as the trust system at this point is nothing more than a general theory. I'm sure there's more discussions on the trust system if you look back through ~tildes.
I don’t know exactly how it works or is implemented, but maybe a system like the endorsement system in Overwatch could be used?
Tildes' own documentation about the plans for this: "Trust/reputation system for moderation"
I believe the system proposed for Tildes shares some similarities with the system used at Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange: "A Theory of Moderation"
Read this: "Trust/reputation system for moderation"
Once the much-talked about "trust" system begins to be implemented, I think you'll have concrete evidence of what your trust level is within different groups. When you start getting the ability to edit tags on other people's posts in one group, you'll know your trust level is good. When you start getting the ability to move posts from one group to another group, you'll know your trust level is better.
Hellllll no. I thought we all agreed on this months ago?
As I said in another comment, I am a sucker for gamification as well. I just realized I have been using Tildes incorrectly to scratch that itch. I stopped marking my inbox messages as read. And today we got the new unread counter next to our name in the upper right. So that is my “tildes score” - how many responses I have. My current Tildes score is 92 :)
I disagree that there shouldn't be a karma system with meaningless points as it encourages bad low quality posts to arise and take over. I do think a system to award people by participating would be nice though, just not for posting and commenting.