If the sub did implode, it’s probably the best outcome that can be hoped for at this point. They would have run out of air by now, so they are almost certainly dead. At least with an implosion, it...
If the sub did implode, it’s probably the best outcome that can be hoped for at this point. They would have run out of air by now, so they are almost certainly dead. At least with an implosion, it would be quick and painless.
It’s honestly been disheartening to see how much effort has been put into finding these people. I know this has been discussed a lot in relation to this story, but the fact that so many other maritime disasters just go completely underreported is sad.
I get that there is a certain novelty to the fact that they were in an essentially homemade submarine diving to the world’s most famous shipwreck and that’s why the media is covering it so heavily…but the massive amount of time and money that has been devoted to this is astounding.
But there’s obviously a monetary divide here. The people on that sub were of considerable means, while many of the migrants and others involved in these other, less sensational accidents are not.
I think it's probably worthwhile to separate media coverage from rescue effort. I'm sure there's some level of correlation but the coast guard does search and rescue all the time. mostly to little...
It’s honestly been disheartening to see how much effort has been put into finding these people. I know this has been discussed a lot in relation to this story, but the fact that so many other maritime disasters just go completely underreported is sad.
I think it's probably worthwhile to separate media coverage from rescue effort. I'm sure there's some level of correlation but the coast guard does search and rescue all the time. mostly to little fanfare.
Not an expert by any means but I think this search and rescue was also just more complicated. Let's say an inflatable raft has sunk with people on it. People are either near the surface and need...
Not an expert by any means but I think this search and rescue was also just more complicated.
Let's say an inflatable raft has sunk with people on it. People are either near the surface and need to get out of the water, or they have drowned. People will scream and make noises, they are easier to spot by looking, and if you don't rescue them within a day you are looking for bodies. Plus most coast guard boats are capable of rescuing them.
This sub was a case of 'we don't know where they are, they could be alive still, and not all types of rescue boats can find it given they could be incredibly deep under water.
So the media attention, and the extent of the search this time, was due to:
The manner of dying was extremely unusual, and it's an ongoing long term story (media)
For several days there remained hope they could have survived, and the more specialised boats upped those chances
Media wouldn't cover refugees dying as intensively because it would have been over in hours, and there honestly isn't as much information to report about it.
That's not to say I agree with the level of attention or the lack of awareness for others dying. But I do genuinely believe that if 5 poor people had been trapped the media would have said the same, and if these 5 rich folks had died in a shooting they wouldn't have received the same level of attention.
Edit to add: the last media case I recall that had the same level of media hype were the thai boys trapped in a cave, it was a multi day event and they were just regular folks.
A lot of the 'extent' of this one is just specialized equipment for searching for the submarine. I don't think the response or coverage would have differed greatly if these were oceanographic...
A lot of the 'extent' of this one is just specialized equipment for searching for the submarine. I don't think the response or coverage would have differed greatly if these were oceanographic researchers who went missing,
Yeah, it kind of reminds me of that soccer team that got stuck in the cave in Thailand. It's just a bit more sensational because it involves the Titanic and a "homemade" submersible. Still, my...
Yeah, it kind of reminds me of that soccer team that got stuck in the cave in Thailand. It's just a bit more sensational because it involves the Titanic and a "homemade" submersible.
Still, my thoughts on the matter have tended toward the sardonic..."the good news is that nothing important has happened in the world in the last few days."
I think the thing that grabs people isn't even the fact it was a sub, it's the aspect of being trapped that horrifies us and it's a decent instinct that if we even detect a hint of someone trapped...
I think the thing that grabs people isn't even the fact it was a sub, it's the aspect of being trapped that horrifies us and it's a decent instinct that if we even detect a hint of someone trapped we move mountains to find them.
People dying in war? No big deal to our brain.
Someone trapped underwater, slowly running out of air? Get. Them. Out.
That reminds me of a situation that happened like 10+ yrs ago in Kansas City. A young woman, a teenager, went missing. Immediately local news stations and papers were covering it. I think it...
That reminds me of a situation that happened like 10+ yrs ago in Kansas City. A young woman, a teenager, went missing. Immediately local news stations and papers were covering it. I think it might've even hit national news.
During the days of searching and reporting, news media started -- almost casually -- referencing another missing young woman; another teenager, nearly the same age. One who'd been missing for weeks at that point. People were shocked. I certainly was. How come we hadn't heard about this before?
Turns out, the missing girl that started all of this was from a more affluent part of town. But the girl who had already been missing for awhile was from a far less affluent part of town.
Unfortunately, sad endings for both Kara and Kelsey. Kelsey's body was found a few days later. It took 10yrs before someone finally found Kara's remains. Fortunately, both of their murderers -- these were unrelated cases -- were eventually found and convicted.
I think socioeconomic status definitely played a part in all this. The missing girl from the more well-off family triggered an immediate search with wide media coverage, while the missing girl from the less well-off family only caught attention because the other girl went missing. Had Kelsey not gone missing, would there have been any public interest in Kara? Would anyone have known?
Also, notice that I shared a Wikipedia article for Kelsey Smith. No such article exists in Wikipedia for Kara Kopetsky.
The Rear Admiral said they found the debris 1600 feet from the bow of the Titanic, more or less exactly where it was expected to be, and it still took four days to find. The ocean is utterly...
The Rear Admiral said they found the debris 1600 feet from the bow of the Titanic, more or less exactly where it was expected to be, and it still took four days to find. The ocean is utterly terrifying.
The Coast Guard will hold a press conference to discuss their findings related to a debris field found in the search area. At this time it is unknown where this debris originates from. Conference...
The Coast Guard will hold a press conference to discuss their findings related to a debris field found in the search area. At this time it is unknown where this debris originates from.
Conference starts at 3pm EST. Links available in the article.
I can't correct my friends and coworkers about this when they do this because that would be rude and it drives me nuts, but correcting strangers on the internet seems less rude: In summer, most of...
Conference starts at 3pm EST.
I can't correct my friends and coworkers about this when they do this because that would be rude and it drives me nuts, but correcting strangers on the internet seems less rude: In summer, most of the US is on daylight savings time, which would make the abbreviation EDT, not EST. 3PM EST is an hour before this conference will actually take place.
If you don't want to keep track of daylight savings time or not, you can just write ET and avoid the scourge of annoying nerds like me :)
The point was just to communicate the time zone. 99% of the people who saw the time are not confused. No one is thinking that they’re going to have to until November to watch the news conference.
The point was just to communicate the time zone. 99% of the people who saw the time are not confused. No one is thinking that they’re going to have to until November to watch the news conference.
https://news.sky.com/story/debris-field-discovered-within-search-area-near-titanic-us-coast-guard-says-12906735 Similar article, sounds like they may have found some pieces of the sub. Hopefully...
Similar article, sounds like they may have found some pieces of the sub. Hopefully (in a weird morbid way) that means the sub imploded rather than a slow loss of oxygen.
Might be a bit morbid to think about, but I wonder if the wreck of the Titan will become a sort of landmark or even its own tourist attraction in the same way that Green Boots and other fallen...
Might be a bit morbid to think about, but I wonder if the wreck of the Titan will become a sort of landmark or even its own tourist attraction in the same way that Green Boots and other fallen climbers serve as reference points on the way to summit Everest.
Surely there will be a rise of underwater tourism in the future, so the likelihood of this happening again seems pretty certain. Even with increased regulations and safety standards, a part of me wonders how many parallels there are in the wreck of the Titanic and the top of Everest.
In 2123 will there be a headline about overcrowding on the ocean floor? Submersibles waiting in lines to be able to view the wreck(s)? Online debates about how the explorers aren't 'real' explorers because they rely on the hard work of submersibles (Sherpas) to get them there in the first place?
This morning an ROV from the vessel Horizon Arctic found the tail cone of the Titan submersible approximately 1600ft from the bow of the Titanic wreck.
They found additional debris, which is consistent with a catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber.
Five major pieces were detected amid the debris around the Titanic site.
Among them, a nose cone, outside the pressure hull, and a larger debris field.
Cannot confirm whether the US Coast Guard will be able to recover the bodies of the five passengers on board the Titan sub.
"This is an incredibly unforgiving environment"
It is too early to tell what the timing of the implosion was
The US Coast Guard had sonar buoys out in the water for 72 hours. Since they had been in place, they had not detected "any catastrophic events"
Probably, but there is unfortunately currently no way to merge two topics, or add them to a megathread or anything like that. So people will just have to ignore either/both topics if they don't...
Probably, but there is unfortunately currently no way to merge two topics, or add them to a megathread or anything like that. So people will just have to ignore either/both topics if they don't want to see keep popping up in their Activity sort.
If the sub did implode, it’s probably the best outcome that can be hoped for at this point. They would have run out of air by now, so they are almost certainly dead. At least with an implosion, it would be quick and painless.
It’s honestly been disheartening to see how much effort has been put into finding these people. I know this has been discussed a lot in relation to this story, but the fact that so many other maritime disasters just go completely underreported is sad.
I get that there is a certain novelty to the fact that they were in an essentially homemade submarine diving to the world’s most famous shipwreck and that’s why the media is covering it so heavily…but the massive amount of time and money that has been devoted to this is astounding.
But there’s obviously a monetary divide here. The people on that sub were of considerable means, while many of the migrants and others involved in these other, less sensational accidents are not.
Edit: This just posted CNN opinion piece says it better than I can.
I think it's probably worthwhile to separate media coverage from rescue effort. I'm sure there's some level of correlation but the coast guard does search and rescue all the time. mostly to little fanfare.
They do searches all the time, correct…but not to the extent that is being done for this particular instance.
Not an expert by any means but I think this search and rescue was also just more complicated.
Let's say an inflatable raft has sunk with people on it. People are either near the surface and need to get out of the water, or they have drowned. People will scream and make noises, they are easier to spot by looking, and if you don't rescue them within a day you are looking for bodies. Plus most coast guard boats are capable of rescuing them.
This sub was a case of 'we don't know where they are, they could be alive still, and not all types of rescue boats can find it given they could be incredibly deep under water.
So the media attention, and the extent of the search this time, was due to:
Media wouldn't cover refugees dying as intensively because it would have been over in hours, and there honestly isn't as much information to report about it.
That's not to say I agree with the level of attention or the lack of awareness for others dying. But I do genuinely believe that if 5 poor people had been trapped the media would have said the same, and if these 5 rich folks had died in a shooting they wouldn't have received the same level of attention.
Edit to add: the last media case I recall that had the same level of media hype were the thai boys trapped in a cave, it was a multi day event and they were just regular folks.
A lot of the 'extent' of this one is just specialized equipment for searching for the submarine. I don't think the response or coverage would have differed greatly if these were oceanographic researchers who went missing,
Yeah, it kind of reminds me of that soccer team that got stuck in the cave in Thailand. It's just a bit more sensational because it involves the Titanic and a "homemade" submersible.
Still, my thoughts on the matter have tended toward the sardonic..."the good news is that nothing important has happened in the world in the last few days."
I think I should probably have that engraved on my tombstone: "My thoughts on the matter have tended toward the sardonic." - @Promonk, 1980-2025
I think the thing that grabs people isn't even the fact it was a sub, it's the aspect of being trapped that horrifies us and it's a decent instinct that if we even detect a hint of someone trapped we move mountains to find them.
People dying in war? No big deal to our brain.
Someone trapped underwater, slowly running out of air? Get. Them. Out.
That reminds me of a situation that happened like 10+ yrs ago in Kansas City. A young woman, a teenager, went missing. Immediately local news stations and papers were covering it. I think it might've even hit national news.
During the days of searching and reporting, news media started -- almost casually -- referencing another missing young woman; another teenager, nearly the same age. One who'd been missing for weeks at that point. People were shocked. I certainly was. How come we hadn't heard about this before?
Turns out, the missing girl that started all of this was from a more affluent part of town. But the girl who had already been missing for awhile was from a far less affluent part of town.
Unfortunately, sad endings for both Kara and Kelsey. Kelsey's body was found a few days later. It took 10yrs before someone finally found Kara's remains. Fortunately, both of their murderers -- these were unrelated cases -- were eventually found and convicted.
I think socioeconomic status definitely played a part in all this. The missing girl from the more well-off family triggered an immediate search with wide media coverage, while the missing girl from the less well-off family only caught attention because the other girl went missing. Had Kelsey not gone missing, would there have been any public interest in Kara? Would anyone have known?
Also, notice that I shared a Wikipedia article for Kelsey Smith. No such article exists in Wikipedia for Kara Kopetsky.
The Rear Admiral said they found the debris 1600 feet from the bow of the Titanic, more or less exactly where it was expected to be, and it still took four days to find. The ocean is utterly terrifying.
Implosive compression -ftfy
The Coast Guard will hold a press conference to discuss their findings related to a debris field found in the search area. At this time it is unknown where this debris originates from.
Conference starts at 3pm EST. Links available in the article.
Edit: USCG confirms loss of vehicle.
I can't correct my friends and coworkers about this when they do this because that would be rude and it drives me nuts, but correcting strangers on the internet seems less rude: In summer, most of the US is on daylight savings time, which would make the abbreviation EDT, not EST. 3PM EST is an hour before this conference will actually take place.
If you don't want to keep track of daylight savings time or not, you can just write ET and avoid the scourge of annoying nerds like me :)
Yes, you're right, but I gotta find my outlets somewhere :)
The point was just to communicate the time zone. 99% of the people who saw the time are not confused. No one is thinking that they’re going to have to until November to watch the news conference.
https://news.sky.com/story/debris-field-discovered-within-search-area-near-titanic-us-coast-guard-says-12906735
Similar article, sounds like they may have found some pieces of the sub. Hopefully (in a weird morbid way) that means the sub imploded rather than a slow loss of oxygen.
BBC says they found debris
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-65967464
Might be a bit morbid to think about, but I wonder if the wreck of the Titan will become a sort of landmark or even its own tourist attraction in the same way that Green Boots and other fallen climbers serve as reference points on the way to summit Everest.
Surely there will be a rise of underwater tourism in the future, so the likelihood of this happening again seems pretty certain. Even with increased regulations and safety standards, a part of me wonders how many parallels there are in the wreck of the Titanic and the top of Everest.
In 2123 will there be a headline about overcrowding on the ocean floor? Submersibles waiting in lines to be able to view the wreck(s)? Online debates about how the explorers aren't 'real' explorers because they rely on the hard work of submersibles (Sherpas) to get them there in the first place?
It won't be for long. Titanic is being eaten by bacteria. They estimated most of it will be gone by 100 years.
Damn, didn't know that. Still, 100 years is a long time in terms of technological advances. Might just push up the timeline a bit.
I'm doubting it will remain down there and will likely be recovered.
Is there any reason why they would remove it rather than just leave it be? To investigate it maybe? Seems like a difficult task.
I don't think any government is going to recover it. More along the lines of wealthy families wishing to recover the bodies of their loved ones.
I doubt it. We just witnessed how difficult the deep sea is. It would require an insane amount of risk, work and money to retrieve it.
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@cfabbro should this be merged with this thread?
Probably, but there is unfortunately currently no way to merge two topics, or add them to a megathread or anything like that. So people will just have to ignore either/both topics if they don't want to see keep popping up in their Activity sort.