This thrones debacle is starting to reach never before seen levels of hilarity. It'll be far, far worse starting on Monday, though. This is still just the pregame. Everyone still defending the...
This thrones debacle is starting to reach never before seen levels of hilarity. It'll be far, far worse starting on Monday, though. This is still just the pregame. Everyone still defending the plot is in for a rough conversation around the water cooler next week. So far I've seen exactly one theory left standing that could pull it (barely) out of this nosedive and still match up with the leaks, and it's too clever for the writers.
I can't imagine HBO doing a remake. All of the contracts with the actors have run their course and they are moving on to real acting roles. Hiring them back would cost a fortune even if most of them wouldn't tell HBO to pound sand. The only option HBO has left is damage control. Expect a round of paid-for shilling articles in a few months asking the question 'was game of thrones' final season really that bad' in the vein of that massive PR campaign Disney ran for years trying to soften the blow of the star wars prequels. They'll follow that up with 'thrones prequel/spinoff not to make the same mistakes as its predecessor.'
I want to know how low HBO's subscription numbers go over this, and I want to know how far they fall short on Thrones Blu-Ray sales. They are in for a rough time when the dust settles. I can't remember HBO ever allowing a fuck-up like this on their watch before.
Well it’s easy when someone else does all the writing and you can show up at the end to make random line edits that don’t have to take any production considerations into account.
Well it’s easy when someone else does all the writing and you can show up at the end to make random line edits that don’t have to take any production considerations into account.
I've been thinking about submitting this separately, but maybe I'll just drop it here - it's an interesting Twitter thread talking about why the show feels so different now, and the difference in...
I've been thinking about submitting this separately, but maybe I'll just drop it here - it's an interesting Twitter thread talking about why the show feels so different now, and the difference in writing styles between "plotters" and "pantsers": https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1125856091261136896.html
I like your edits, but there are a couple major plot points you're changing: The battle being one-sided. Sure, this may be incompatible with previous episodes, but I fault those episodes, not this...
I like your edits, but there are a couple major plot points you're changing:
The battle being one-sided. Sure, this may be incompatible with previous episodes, but I fault those episodes, not this one. The dragons are supposed to be overpowered. There's meaning in them being overpowered. Cersei should try to resist, of course (why didn't she use the wildfire?), but the fight isn't supposed to be close (imo). (As a side note, this is my biggest gripe with the way they killed off Rhaegal; it totally undermines this point.)
Dany choosing to destroy King's Landing. The way you've rewritten it, Dany accidentally destroys the city and goes mad after the battle. But then what will cause Jon's change of heart (presuming that happens)? Merely seeing Varys executed? Jon needs to have serious misgivings about this battle and his queen.
I think of all the episodes this season, this one probably most closely resembles GRRM's vision. If parts of this episode seems incongruent with the other episodes of this season (When did Dany become tyrannical?Why did Rhaegal die so easily?), it's because those earlier episodes didn't do a good job setting up this one. In fact, I'd argue that the reason the first four episodes feel so clumsy is because they're rushed attempts to justify the fifth episode, which is pivotal.
Jesus, the petition is at 682k right now and will probably break a million long before morning. It's now viral, no doubt thanks to the den of trolls over at freefolk on reddit. Watching your...
Jesus, the petition is at 682k right now and will probably break a million long before morning. It's now viral, no doubt thanks to the den of trolls over at freefolk on reddit.
Watching your favorite shows crash and burn was never this much fun before the internet. At least we can be thankful for that.
Yeah. I intend to watch a few movies and then close my subscription at the end of the next month once GoT is over. The main draw now is to watch the Deadwood movie. I’ll probably renew it once...
Yeah. I intend to watch a few movies and then close my subscription at the end of the next month once GoT is over. The main draw now is to watch the Deadwood movie.
I’ll probably renew it once Westworld comes out though. I actually like having HBO a lot, but Crashing and High Maintenance aren’t worth $15 a month for me. Big Little Lies is really good too, but I’ll probably just catch up on it when I renew for Westworld. It doesn’t have as much of a “water cooler” effect so I don’t care about being spoiled.
The movies are nice as well, but just renting them for $5 a pop from iTunes winds up cheaper than paying HBO for how seldom I get around to watching them.
I cannot wait for the r/freefolk top tier memes though.
It'll be far, far worse starting on Monday, though. This is still just the pregame. Everyone still defending the plot is in for a rough conversation around the water cooler next week.
I cannot wait for the r/freefolk top tier memes though.
We don't have inline spoilers yet so I don't want to post it in text here. I'll link you to a rather bad video that gets the point across. I heard it somewhere in one of nerdrotic's massive...
We don't have inline spoilers yet so I don't want to post it in text here. I'll link you to a rather bad video that gets the point across. I heard it somewhere in one of nerdrotic's massive livestreams (which I will never be able to find the time index for) after the previous episode and it was given a much better explanation than in that video but the gist is the same.
If it were true it wouldn't save the series, but at least it wouldn't be as brain-dead as what we're probably going to be getting based on the leaks.
HBO offered to do ten full seasons. The writers weren't in a hole, they were in a hurry to move on and make that star wars money from Disney. Now we have a trainwreck, a dismal star wars future to...
HBO offered to do ten full seasons. The writers weren't in a hole, they were in a hurry to move on and make that star wars money from Disney. Now we have a trainwreck, a dismal star wars future to look forward to, and memes.
I blame HBO. If D&D wanted to move on, that should have happened immediately, and new writers brought on to replace them. Let them go on to do whatever they like and find the right people to finish off thrones.
This thrones debacle is starting to reach never before seen levels of hilarity. It'll be far, far worse starting on Monday, though. This is still just the pregame. Everyone still defending the plot is in for a rough conversation around the water cooler next week. So far I've seen exactly one theory left standing that could pull it (barely) out of this nosedive and still match up with the leaks, and it's too clever for the writers.
I can't imagine HBO doing a remake. All of the contracts with the actors have run their course and they are moving on to real acting roles. Hiring them back would cost a fortune even if most of them wouldn't tell HBO to pound sand. The only option HBO has left is damage control. Expect a round of paid-for shilling articles in a few months asking the question 'was game of thrones' final season really that bad' in the vein of that massive PR campaign Disney ran for years trying to soften the blow of the star wars prequels. They'll follow that up with 'thrones prequel/spinoff not to make the same mistakes as its predecessor.'
I want to know how low HBO's subscription numbers go over this, and I want to know how far they fall short on Thrones Blu-Ray sales. They are in for a rough time when the dust settles. I can't remember HBO ever allowing a fuck-up like this on their watch before.
Writer and screenwriter here. This sentence is absurd: writing is hard as fuck.
Well it’s easy when someone else does all the writing and you can show up at the end to make random line edits that don’t have to take any production considerations into account.
That's weak logic: you're just transferring the hardship of writing to another link in the chain, where writing remains hard as fuck.
That's. . . the joke
Sorry dude :/
And this is why writing is hard. . . everyone reads things differently ;-)
Yep. Story editing can be harder than story writing.
More like improving D&D script is not hard.
A better treatment, though I'd walk it back to S7 (before the 'capture a wight' plot) to try and recapture so many missed opportunities. ;)
I've been thinking about submitting this separately, but maybe I'll just drop it here - it's an interesting Twitter thread talking about why the show feels so different now, and the difference in writing styles between "plotters" and "pantsers": https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1125856091261136896.html
(@CALICO you might be interested too)
I like your edits, but there are a couple major plot points you're changing:
The battle being one-sided. Sure, this may be incompatible with previous episodes, but I fault those episodes, not this one. The dragons are supposed to be overpowered. There's meaning in them being overpowered. Cersei should try to resist, of course (why didn't she use the wildfire?), but the fight isn't supposed to be close (imo). (As a side note, this is my biggest gripe with the way they killed off Rhaegal; it totally undermines this point.)
Dany choosing to destroy King's Landing. The way you've rewritten it, Dany accidentally destroys the city and goes mad after the battle. But then what will cause Jon's change of heart (presuming that happens)? Merely seeing Varys executed? Jon needs to have serious misgivings about this battle and his queen.
I think of all the episodes this season, this one probably most closely resembles GRRM's vision. If parts of this episode seems incongruent with the other episodes of this season (When did Dany become tyrannical? Why did Rhaegal die so easily?), it's because those earlier episodes didn't do a good job setting up this one. In fact, I'd argue that the reason the first four episodes feel so clumsy is because they're rushed attempts to justify the fifth episode, which is pivotal.
Jesus, the petition is at 682k right now and will probably break a million long before morning. It's now viral, no doubt thanks to the den of trolls over at freefolk on reddit.
Watching your favorite shows crash and burn was never this much fun before the internet. At least we can be thankful for that.
Freefolk makes watching this last season much less painful.
Yeah. I intend to watch a few movies and then close my subscription at the end of the next month once GoT is over. The main draw now is to watch the Deadwood movie.
I’ll probably renew it once Westworld comes out though. I actually like having HBO a lot, but Crashing and High Maintenance aren’t worth $15 a month for me. Big Little Lies is really good too, but I’ll probably just catch up on it when I renew for Westworld. It doesn’t have as much of a “water cooler” effect so I don’t care about being spoiled.
The movies are nice as well, but just renting them for $5 a pop from iTunes winds up cheaper than paying HBO for how seldom I get around to watching them.
I'm looking forward to Watchmen. I don't think that'll be enough for me to pay $15 a month, though. Probably be watching them off of Usenet.
I cannot wait for the r/freefolk top tier memes though.
Honestly the main thing keeping me watching is the memes from that subreddit.
Out of curiosity, what's the theory which can recover from the MCAS-quality nosedive?
We don't have inline spoilers yet so I don't want to post it in text here. I'll link you to a rather bad video that gets the point across. I heard it somewhere in one of nerdrotic's massive livestreams (which I will never be able to find the time index for) after the previous episode and it was given a much better explanation than in that video but the gist is the same.
If it were true it wouldn't save the series, but at least it wouldn't be as brain-dead as what we're probably going to be getting based on the leaks.
That they deliberately wrote a lousy last season to give GRRM room to write a great book and to not hobble his sales.
Isn't Deadwood getting a movie soon?
May 31st - Here's a link to the trailer
Official Deadwood Trailer
I've been waiting for a lotta years for it, so I hope it doesn't suck!
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Who! Who!
HBO offered to do ten full seasons. The writers weren't in a hole, they were in a hurry to move on and make that star wars money from Disney. Now we have a trainwreck, a dismal star wars future to look forward to, and memes.
I blame HBO. If D&D wanted to move on, that should have happened immediately, and new writers brought on to replace them. Let them go on to do whatever they like and find the right people to finish off thrones.
remake it from season 5 and i'm in.