my very good friend is an air traffic controller and he sent me this quote:
my very good friend is an air traffic controller and he sent me this quote:
In Cheyenne, Wyoming, the temperature plunged from 43 degrees to 3 degrees in just 30 minutes, a record temperature drop for any one-hour period in the city's history, topping a record from Dec. 30, 2017. It went on to plunge 51 degrees in two hours.
I was planning on flying back to my home state for the next week to visit my family for the holidays. Got notice this evening that my flights tomorrow got cancelled; the airline's app and site...
Thousands of flights were canceled and homeless shelters were overflowing Thursday amid one of the most treacherous holiday travel seasons the U.S. has seen in decades, with temperatures plummeting 50 degrees Fahrenheit in some areas and forecasters warning of an impending “bomb cyclone” that could make conditions even worse before Christmas.
The frigid air was moving through the central United States to the east, with windchill advisories affecting about 135 million people over the coming days, weather service meteorologist Ashton Robinson Cook said Thursday. Places like Des Moines, Iowa, will feel like minus 37 degrees, making it possible to suffer frostbite in less than five minutes.
I was planning on flying back to my home state for the next week to visit my family for the holidays. Got notice this evening that my flights tomorrow got cancelled; the airline's app and site were completely slammed and just returning error messages constantly when I tried to rebook; when I finally got the chance to go for new flights the next available one was on Tuesday.
My return flight was for Thursday, so I just ended up cancelling the trip. Pretty bummed I won't be able to visit my family, but I'm glad I got early notice and didn't get stranded somewhere. I also feel awful for every single gate agent in America right now -- I cannot imagine what they're having to deal with at the moment.
Update: So, the weather event is mostly over and air travel is mostly back to normal -- with the exception of Southwest Airlines: Southwest cancels 5,400 flights in less than 48 hours in a...
Update: So, the weather event is mostly over and air travel is mostly back to normal -- with the exception of Southwest Airlines:
Southwest canceled more than 2,900 flights Monday — at least 70% of its schedule for the day — and more than 2,500 flights Tuesday as of 9:10 a.m. ET — at least 60% of its schedule, according to flight tracker FlightAware. The disruptions add to chaos that has left people stranded at airports across the country, many of them with little idea of when they can get home or where their bags are.
The number of canceled flights for Southwest Monday was more than 10 times higher than for Delta, which had the second-most cancellations by a U.S. airline with 265 flights called off. Other airlines have also ordered large-scale cancellations in the past week.
Southwest's spokesperson officially cited the weather as the predominant issue but also added:
Other issues that have exacerbated the airline's struggle to accommodate the holiday rush include problems with "connecting flight crews to their schedules," Perry said. That issue has made it difficult for employees to access crew scheduling services and get reassignments.
This shitstorm is because the crew scheduling software went belly up and it almost all has to be unraveled over the phone with crew members calling scheduling. If we had better technology which eliminated the need for phone calls, this would have been fixed by now.
If you are able to find alternative transportation to your final destination- DO IT. Another airline, bus, train, Lyft, rental car, ANYTHING. Southwest WILL NOT be able to get you to your destination anytime in the next few days.
EDIT: The above post has now been deleted. Here is another post from r/flying from a person claiming to be a former Southwest employee sharing similar details:
I have friends in CS and the hotel assignment side too. There were 2 specific problems, the software for scheduling is woefully antiquated by at least 20 years. No app/internet options, all manual entry and it has settings that you DO NOT CHANGE for fear of crashing it. Those settings create the automated flow as a crewmember is moving about their day, it doesn’t know you flew the leg DAL-MCO it just assumes it and moves your piece forward.
In the event of a disruption you call scheduling and they manually adjust you. It does work, it just works for an airline 1/3 the size of SWA.
So the storm came and it impacted ground ops so bad that many many crews were now “unaccounted” for and the system in place couldn’t keep up. Then it happened for several more days. By Xmas evening the CS department had essentially reached the inability to do anything but simple, one off assignments. And to make matters worse, the phone system was updated not too long ago and it was not working well.
I was originally scheduled on Southwest. It turns out my flight getting cancelled well in advance and my inability to reschedule it ended up being a blessing in disguise.
I've been pretty down the past couple of days, as the only time of year I regularly see my family is Christmas, and this was the first Christmas since 2019 where I was going to be able to meet up with them because COVID disrupted it for two years. When my flight got cancelled I was kind of devastated, partially for me but mostly because I knew it would be really tough on my mom. When I video chatted with the family that were able to travel for Christmas, she texted me after and told me "you looked sad", which was true. FaceTime is nice, but it's not the same as being there.
Now, though, I'm feeling better about the whole thing though, especially after seeing reddit posts from people who have been stuck in airports for days (some who still have little hope for any resolution in the coming days) and people who won't be getting their checked bags back for well over a month. I'm very glad I knew about my cancellation early and have been at least enable to enjoy the break from work, rather than being in an uncertain and uncomfortable holding pattern for days.
If anyone here on Tildes is stuck in this travel nightmare, my heart goes out to you.
Feeling very good about myself right now. I was originally going to fly home on Wed, but rescheduled due to catching a cold. Was then going to fly out today (Friday), starting looking the...
Feeling very good about myself right now. I was originally going to fly home on Wed, but rescheduled due to catching a cold. Was then going to fly out today (Friday), starting looking the predicted weather. Did some educated guesses that my flight out of Detroit was going to be cancelled or at the very least severely delayed, then on top of that given how widspread it was it will probably take a week or more for all the airlines to get their shit together again. So cancelled it yesterday morning. Very happy with that decision right now, though I am very bummed I'm not going home either.
OTOH now I'm planning to just go home to visit in Jan/Feb, and not worry about hitting a specific day.
Oh, so that's what's happening. I was trying to look at prices for a trip I wanted to do in late Jan/early Feb and I could not log in or search for flights on Delta.
the airline's app and site were completely slammed and just returning error messages constantly when I tried to rebook;
Oh, so that's what's happening. I was trying to look at prices for a trip I wanted to do in late Jan/early Feb and I could not log in or search for flights on Delta.
Airlines canceled more than 2,350 US flights by 7:45 ET p.m. Thursday and proactively canceled more than 2,100 flights for Friday, according to the flight tracking site FlightAware. Even for Saturday, more than 120 flights were already canceled.
Delays were even more extensive on Thursday: Almost 8,660 as of 7:45 p.m. ET.
It was an ordinary snowy day in upstate New York. My wife made her first snowman. (She is from California.) We were fortunate that yesterday was our travel day and we don't need to go anywhere...
It was an ordinary snowy day in upstate New York. My wife made her first snowman. (She is from California.) We were fortunate that yesterday was our travel day and we don't need to go anywhere until after Christmas.
This morning it was raining and the snow had partially melted. (The snowman didn't last.) We went shopping while we had a chance and lots of other people had the same idea. The rain had turned to...
This morning it was raining and the snow had partially melted. (The snowman didn't last.) We went shopping while we had a chance and lots of other people had the same idea. The rain had turned to snow by the time we got out of the store.
Interesting. My dad grew up in Delaware County during the 60s and 70s. One of the routes we take to get to his boyhood home from the South runs through Northeastern Pennsylvania (via...
Interesting. My dad grew up in Delaware County during the 60s and 70s. One of the routes we take to get to his boyhood home from the South runs through Northeastern Pennsylvania (via Scranton/Carbondale/Forest City).
My live report, it's raining, and it's going to get icy real quick. Since we work with testing vehicles, we're probably going to call off on Friday, which is pretty good since we already have the...
My live report, it's raining, and it's going to get icy real quick. Since we work with testing vehicles, we're probably going to call off on Friday, which is pretty good since we already have the next week off. No complaints here.
Down here in SC, it isn’t supposed to be above freezing from sunrise tomorrow until sometime on Sunday. Around 35 degrees below our average high (57-60). I had to move one of my palms into the...
Down here in SC, it isn’t supposed to be above freezing from sunrise tomorrow until sometime on Sunday. Around 35 degrees below our average high (57-60). I had to move one of my palms into the garage (the other one has incandescent Christmas lights on it, which will help keep it warm). Alas, no snow in the forecast, just cold.
I fly to Eugene, Oregon which is pretty icy, but not seeing a lot of cancellations so far. My dad's reporting from Salem, with sleet and freezing temps (21° lows), an hour north. I think the...
I fly to Eugene, Oregon which is pretty icy, but not seeing a lot of cancellations so far. My dad's reporting from Salem, with sleet and freezing temps (21° lows), an hour north.
I think the effect keeping California warm is helping central Oregon, because all the maps ahow Portland and north being frozen.
EDIT: lol, flight was just cancelled. However, because I can still get a few days with my family, I just moved the flight up a week.
In recent years, meteorologists seem to be coming up with increasingly dramatic terms. ("Polar vortex" and "atmospheric river" are other terms that weren't used when I was a kid.)
In recent years, meteorologists seem to be coming up with increasingly dramatic terms. ("Polar vortex" and "atmospheric river" are other terms that weren't used when I was a kid.)
From Wikipedia: https://books.google.ca/books?id=Df4vAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA430&dq=%22polar+vortex%22&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22polar%20vortex%22&f=false And a quick google books search for "atmospheric...
Interesting. I wonder when they started getting used in newspaper stories, and in headlines? Here is Google ngram. Also compare with El Niño and La Niña
Interesting. I wonder when they started getting used in newspaper stories, and in headlines?
Oh, good call. I totally forgot about ngram viewer. Here they all are Individually so it's easier to see the spikes, since polar votex and el niño dwarfed the others:...
Oh, good call. I totally forgot about ngram viewer.
my very good friend is an air traffic controller and he sent me this quote:
I was planning on flying back to my home state for the next week to visit my family for the holidays. Got notice this evening that my flights tomorrow got cancelled; the airline's app and site were completely slammed and just returning error messages constantly when I tried to rebook; when I finally got the chance to go for new flights the next available one was on Tuesday.
My return flight was for Thursday, so I just ended up cancelling the trip. Pretty bummed I won't be able to visit my family, but I'm glad I got early notice and didn't get stranded somewhere. I also feel awful for every single gate agent in America right now -- I cannot imagine what they're having to deal with at the moment.
Update: So, the weather event is mostly over and air travel is mostly back to normal -- with the exception of Southwest Airlines:
Southwest cancels 5,400 flights in less than 48 hours in a 'full-blown meltdown' (NPR)
Southwest's spokesperson officially cited the weather as the predominant issue but also added:
An unconfirmed throwaway account on r/SouthwestAirlines claiming to be a Southwest employee is offering this explanation and warning in addition:
EDIT: The above post has now been deleted. Here is another post from r/flying from a person claiming to be a former Southwest employee sharing similar details:
I was originally scheduled on Southwest. It turns out my flight getting cancelled well in advance and my inability to reschedule it ended up being a blessing in disguise.
I've been pretty down the past couple of days, as the only time of year I regularly see my family is Christmas, and this was the first Christmas since 2019 where I was going to be able to meet up with them because COVID disrupted it for two years. When my flight got cancelled I was kind of devastated, partially for me but mostly because I knew it would be really tough on my mom. When I video chatted with the family that were able to travel for Christmas, she texted me after and told me "you looked sad", which was true. FaceTime is nice, but it's not the same as being there.
Now, though, I'm feeling better about the whole thing though, especially after seeing reddit posts from people who have been stuck in airports for days (some who still have little hope for any resolution in the coming days) and people who won't be getting their checked bags back for well over a month. I'm very glad I knew about my cancellation early and have been at least enable to enjoy the break from work, rather than being in an uncertain and uncomfortable holding pattern for days.
If anyone here on Tildes is stuck in this travel nightmare, my heart goes out to you.
Feeling very good about myself right now. I was originally going to fly home on Wed, but rescheduled due to catching a cold. Was then going to fly out today (Friday), starting looking the predicted weather. Did some educated guesses that my flight out of Detroit was going to be cancelled or at the very least severely delayed, then on top of that given how widspread it was it will probably take a week or more for all the airlines to get their shit together again. So cancelled it yesterday morning. Very happy with that decision right now, though I am very bummed I'm not going home either.
OTOH now I'm planning to just go home to visit in Jan/Feb, and not worry about hitting a specific day.
Oh, so that's what's happening. I was trying to look at prices for a trip I wanted to do in late Jan/early Feb and I could not log in or search for flights on Delta.
Yeah, it's a complete mess. According to CNN:
It was an ordinary snowy day in upstate New York. My wife made her first snowman. (She is from California.) We were fortunate that yesterday was our travel day and we don't need to go anywhere until after Christmas.
This morning it was raining and the snow had partially melted. (The snowman didn't last.) We went shopping while we had a chance and lots of other people had the same idea. The rain had turned to snow by the time we got out of the store.
What part of NY? My dad lives outside Albany.
I don't want to be too specific online, but not far from the border with Pennsylvania.
Interesting. My dad grew up in Delaware County during the 60s and 70s. One of the routes we take to get to his boyhood home from the South runs through Northeastern Pennsylvania (via Scranton/Carbondale/Forest City).
My live report, it's raining, and it's going to get icy real quick. Since we work with testing vehicles, we're probably going to call off on Friday, which is pretty good since we already have the next week off. No complaints here.
Down here in SC, it isn’t supposed to be above freezing from sunrise tomorrow until sometime on Sunday. Around 35 degrees below our average high (57-60). I had to move one of my palms into the garage (the other one has incandescent Christmas lights on it, which will help keep it warm). Alas, no snow in the forecast, just cold.
I fly to Eugene, Oregon which is pretty icy, but not seeing a lot of cancellations so far. My dad's reporting from Salem, with sleet and freezing temps (21° lows), an hour north.
I think the effect keeping California warm is helping central Oregon, because all the maps ahow Portland and north being frozen.
EDIT: lol, flight was just cancelled. However, because I can still get a few days with my family, I just moved the flight up a week.
Is "bomb cyclone" a colloquial phrase? I thought the US was getting worried about a whole lot of terrorist attacks over the holidays.
I'm not sure the more official sounding option is much better...
Nope.
Not really.
Nuh-uh.
...the hell?
Who came up with this shit?
Probably Gary Larson, then a bored government worker picks it up a copy of the newest The Far Side Gallery and goes, "Wicked!"
I heartily approve.
Could still ultimately be larson, but wikipedia credits MIT professor.
In recent years, meteorologists seem to be coming up with increasingly dramatic terms. ("Polar vortex" and "atmospheric river" are other terms that weren't used when I was a kid.)
From Wikipedia:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=Df4vAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA430&dq=%22polar+vortex%22&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22polar%20vortex%22&f=false
And a quick google books search for "atmospheric river" has it appearing in 1874 when discussing weather phenomena in India.
https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Harper_s_New_Monthly_Magazine/0686AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22atmospheric+river%22&pg=PA96&printsec=frontcover
Interesting. I wonder when they started getting used in newspaper stories, and in headlines?
Here is Google ngram.
Also compare with El Niño and La Niña
Oh, good call. I totally forgot about ngram viewer.
Here they all are Individually so it's easier to see the spikes, since polar votex and el niño dwarfed the others:
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=polar+vortex&year_start=1800&year_end=2019
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=atmospheric+river&year_start=1800&year_end=2019
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=bomb+cyclone&year_start=1800&year_end=2019
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=el+ni%C3%B1o&year_start=1800&year_end=2019
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=la+nina&year_start=1800&year_end=2019