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Thomas Keller asked me to leave the French Laundry. It turned into my most extraordinary night as a critic.

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  1. [29]
    DefinitelyNotAFae
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    This was very interesting. I don't know much about Keller, but this was so inappropriate. I empathized with her emotional response in the moment, I'd not have had half her composure. And he knew...

    This was very interesting. I don't know much about Keller, but this was so inappropriate. I empathized with her emotional response in the moment, I'd not have had half her composure.

    And he knew he was fucking her by comping her meal. It set it up so that if she reviewed him her integrity would be questioned immediately.

    28 votes
    1. [28]
      culturedleftfoot
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      Was I too naïve in my initial read of Keller's ultimate gestures as reconciliatory rather than adversarial? I was confused at the end when she spoke of the "inhospitality" of it all.

      Was I too naïve in my initial read of Keller's ultimate gestures as reconciliatory rather than adversarial? I was confused at the end when she spoke of the "inhospitality" of it all.

      11 votes
      1. [15]
        secret_online
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        I was less charitable to Keller in my reading. I do believe his words were honest, in particular how reviews affect the staff more than him, and that a savage review lead to another chef's...
        • Exemplary

        I was less charitable to Keller in my reading. I do believe his words were honest, in particular how reviews affect the staff more than him, and that a savage review lead to another chef's suicide.

        However I find the way that Keller acted, and the way he approached the scenario, to be completely and utterly disrespectful to Fegan.

        • He removed her from her friends for 2.5 hours half an hour.
        • Fegan says she's not here to review him. He replies by bringing up a bad experience with a previous critic and projects that onto Fegan.
          • “She lied,” Keller tells me, with visible pique. “She lied until the very last minute.”
          • I can't help but notice the "she" connecting that previous critic to Fegan. Sure, Keller may not be intentionally trying to do that, but it's the first case of him using gender imbalances to try and hold power over Fegan.
          • He tried to make himself look good to make himself look good to that critic by bringing up the fact that he has a female head chef, which just reads like "I can't be bad, women are good too" to me.
          • The article mentions the ways that Keller mistreated that critic. Trying to break her cover, the bong of soup, then using a quote (from a movie he was consulted on, no less) aimed at taking critics down a peg upon the review being published. These appear to not be part of the conversation, but would be things Fegan would have known during the conversation.
        • He mentions how reviews affect his staff. In the article Fegan writes how this is her being emotionally manipulated.
          • Might I remind you she has been removed from her friend group and is being put in an uncomfortable position with a man who stated up front that he does not want her here.
        • Fegan offers up her own history, how restaurants have always been part of her life, how this restaurant has been part of her life. I do not know how much time passes between paragraphs, but the next paragraph is Keller bringing up a fellow chef's suicide due to a critic. What the actual fuck.
        • As they go back inside, Keller changes tack and puts social pressure on her to stay. That he'd feed her "a little something" before she goes. If this were a relationship I'd be telling her to get the fuck out of there.
          • Spoilers: it was not "a little something".
        • Fegan writes about her physical state going back to the table. Cold. Hungry. Rattled. Little wonder, really.
        • Then the food arrives. It's clearly a show, but for who? Fegan said at the start she just wanted to eat at the restaurant. Instead she's getting "apology truffles" in such quantities that her other guests are noticing.
        • Then, 5 hours after the reservation time, at half-past midnight, the bill comes out. It's free. Keller appreciates her so much that he's paid her meal. What a kind gesture. I mean, come on, it almost makes up for all the emotional manipulation, right?
          • Even if Keller was unaware of the fact that Fegan can't accept a free meal when on the job, this to me is a clear show of power imbalance. It's an insult disguised as a gift. And when Fegan tries to decline the offer? $1. It's a joke. Her job, her feelings, her wish to just eat at a restaurant she respects on her own money; none of it matters to him.

        To my reading, Keller was being actively manipulative with his behaviour that night. He was using his position to lord himself over another, and I do believe there is gender bias in there too.

        And of course the great irony of this is that if Keller had just treated her like a regular patron, this article would not have been written. In fact no article would have been written because she was not there for work, she was there to enjoy a restaurant that was deeply ingrained in her identity. She didn't get that experience, it was stolen from her.

        23 votes
        1. [2]
          R3qn65
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          I totally get the uncharitable read of Keller, but a few points -- This doesn't seem to be accurate. In one part she writes "After 30 minutes in the courtyard, Keller decides it’s time to wrap...

          I totally get the uncharitable read of Keller, but a few points --

          He removed her from her friends for 2.5 hours.

          This doesn't seem to be accurate. In one part she writes "After 30 minutes in the courtyard, Keller decides it’s time to wrap up."; later, she writes "Our reservation was for 7:45, and now it’s past 9 p.m." She wasn't asked to head to the courtyard until at least 815 -- "Thirty minutes after our reservation time, we are ushered through the restaurant’s iconic blue door and up a narrow staircase to an intimate room with three tables. The opening salvo of truffle vichyssoise is served, and then a general manager walks up to the table..."

          I'd be thrown off-balance too in her shoes, but it was for more like 30 minutes than 2.5h.

          I can't help but notice the "she" connecting that previous critic to Fegan.

          I don't really get this. How else should he have referred to the previous critic? In theory I suppose he could've said "the previous critic [we were just talking about] lied.", but that's not really how people talk.

          He then tries to make himself look good by bringing up the fact that he has a female head chef, which just reads like "I can't be bad, women are good too" to me.

          In the interest of clarity, he did not say this to the author of the article we're discussing. That was her reporting that he - allegedly, or per "whispers," in her words - told the previous critic that. Still very much "look! We have a woman!" energy, but it's not entirely fair to assert he brought that up in this conversation.

          I think it's clear that Keller acted poorly, but I don't necessarily agree that he was trying to lord it over her. I get how you'd arrive at that take, though.

          23 votes
          1. secret_online
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            Thanks for the corrections, particularly with the timing. 2.5 hours also seemed off to me, but it was late when I wrote this so I wasn't firing on all cylinders. With that in mind, I still find...

            Thanks for the corrections, particularly with the timing. 2.5 hours also seemed off to me, but it was late when I wrote this so I wasn't firing on all cylinders. With that in mind, I still find the whole timeline somewhat hard to follow in the article, but I believe the 30 minutes to be more accurate.

            8 votes
        2. pallas
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          I'd agree that it was a power play, yes, but the power balance feels more complicated. He undoubtedly has more money, but his fortune and reputation are built on running a Bay Area restaurant that...

          Even if Keller was unaware of the fact that Fegan can't accept a free meal when on the job, this to me is a clear show of power imbalance

          I'd agree that it was a power play, yes, but the power balance feels more complicated. He undoubtedly has more money, but his fortune and reputation are built on running a Bay Area restaurant that is one of the most famous in the world, and she is the restaurant critic of SF's only major newspaper. She has a significant amount of power over him, and could easily do more damage to him than this bill would cost him. In (very justifiably) writing this article, she likely has, intentionally. This is now the lead story on the newspaper's website, with additional stories about it. Even people who might have felt the previous bad reviews of Per Se and French Laundry were trendy attempts to knock down prominent fixtures may see this as rather damning.

          To me, his actions come off less as trying to lord himself over her, and more as desperately rash.

          And of course the great irony of this is that if Keller had just treated her like a regular patron, this article would not have been written.

          I feel it's likely no article would have been written even if he had done everything except the refund. The rest was bizarre, but the refund actually put her in a position where she likely felt some sort of public disclosure was required, at which point an article explaining her side of the story would be one of her best options.

          It just seems astonishingly stupid on his part.

          21 votes
        3. psi
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          I think people read that the chef comped the meal but missed all the subtext that made the experience uncomfortable, so thanks for making it explicit. However, even in your framing I think you're...

          I think people read that the chef comped the meal but missed all the subtext that made the experience uncomfortable, so thanks for making it explicit.

          However, even in your framing I think you're being too charitable to Kellner regarding the free meal. Kellner has been in this industry for decades; certainly he knows the rules of ethics for critics. And more to the point, it doesn't seem that he comped the meal as a reconciliatory gesture but instead to preclude her from writing about her experience. From the article:

          Weeks later, after I had told Keller I was writing this piece, his publicist contended to my editor via email that the meal was “free of charge.”

          Mind you, this statement came after she had begged them to allow her to pay for the meal, after she had admitted the possibility of losing her job if she didn't.

          17 votes
        4. [10]
          EgoEimi
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          A while, I posted what I thought was a very moving piece by Roger Ebert about criticism. He pulls a quote from the film Ratatouille: Fegan can never dine as 'just' a mere mortal. This is not a...

          A while, I posted what I thought was a very moving piece by Roger Ebert about criticism. He pulls a quote from the film Ratatouille:

          In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so.

          Fegan can never dine as 'just' a mere mortal. This is not a sexism issue: she is a food critic for a major newspaper, and important critics hold godlike positions of power and judgment over chefs. They can and do end restaurants and careers.

          I have sympathy for Keller. Even though Keller is at the top of his field, chefs put in 60–80 hour work weeks. To stay at the tippy top, chefs have to put in more. They pour in tens of thousands of hours and sweat and blood, and critics can cut them down with the stroke of their pens.

          9 votes
          1. [9]
            Akir
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            I think that both you and @pallas put way too much emphasis on how much power a critic has. This isn't the 1950s anymore. Critics are not all-powerful beings who have millions of people taking...

            I think that both you and @pallas put way too much emphasis on how much power a critic has. This isn't the 1950s anymore. Critics are not all-powerful beings who have millions of people taking them at their word. Hell, the periodical that publishes this critic's work is part of the withering legacy media that is barely holding on. It's pretty easy to imagine a mean rumor on social media being more powerful than any single critic.

            It's good to have some sympathy for Keller, in that you can understand what he is doing and why. But at the same time, the man has been near or at the top of his field for decades. The man can afford to be put down a peg or two or twenty.

            6 votes
            1. [3]
              Namarie
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              Perhaps this is nitpicky of me, but while I agree with your expressed sentiments (about critics, Keller deserving some sympathy but not more than some, and being the best at a thing for a long...

              But at the same time, the man has been near or at the top of his field for decades. The man can afford to be put down a peg or two or twenty.

              Perhaps this is nitpicky of me, but while I agree with your expressed sentiments (about critics, Keller deserving some sympathy but not more than some, and being the best at a thing for a long time does not mean that they get to stay there forever), I strongly disagree with the reasoning presented at the end.

              Someone being at the top of their field or otherwise being able to afford a loss does not mean that they therefore deserve the loss, and not to be myopic about how people get to the top of a craft (ie - the often heard claim that people at the top get there by being the best at the thing, as opposed to relationships, or privileges that set them up to be able to obsess over that craft, etc) but it's intensely difficult and demanding to become counted among the best of people who do anything, let alone the very top. If you're curating a list of best restaurants and Keller's food/presentation/etc are no longer the best, then absolutely drop their rating, but don't drop the rating just because they're at the top and can "afford to be put down a peg or two", that's not a good reason; it (subjectively - not saying this is your reason, but how the reasoning in general feels to me) feels more like a bully's reason (because I can/because they aren't significantly hurt by it) than anything related to the person or their craft.

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              1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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                I don't see @akir arguing he deserves a lower rating or to be omitted because he can afford it. Just that he can afford it.

                I don't see @akir arguing he deserves a lower rating or to be omitted because he can afford it.

                Just that he can afford it.

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              2. Akir
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                Of course just because someone can afford to doesn't mean that they deserve it. I'm certainly not saying that he should lose his prestige just because he's had it good for too long. All I'm really...

                Of course just because someone can afford to doesn't mean that they deserve it. I'm certainly not saying that he should lose his prestige just because he's had it good for too long. All I'm really saying is that I don't think that this article was some sort of abuse of power; if anything, I think the author bent over backwards to show the reader why everything happened the way it did so we can draw our own conclusions. I note that there isn't really a point where they state "Keller did this to sabotage my career" or something like that. They didn't even talk about the quality of the food they ate at that time (unless my memory of reading it yesterday is failing me). Unless there was some omission or misrepresentation, this is probably the most fair outcome that could have come from the events described in the article.

                4 votes
            2. [5]
              pallas
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              My comment: Your reply: Are you arguing that a significant bad review of a restaurant with $500 per person checks would not risk doing significantly more than $2,000 of damage to the restaurant's...

              My comment:

              She has a significant amount of power over him, and could easily do more damage to him than this bill would cost him.

              Your reply:

              I think that both you and @pallas put way too much emphasis on how much power a critic has.

              Are you arguing that a significant bad review of a restaurant with $500 per person checks would not risk doing significantly more than $2,000 of damage to the restaurant's revenue, or are you putting too much emphasis on 'way'? But this article isn't even a restaurant review: it's a specific criticism of Keller, perhaps more in line of your 'mean rumor', except with the weight of an actual journalist behind it.

              It's good to have some sympathy for Keller, in that you can understand what he is doing and why.

              I'm not sure how my comment describing his actions as 'astonishingly stupid' could be read as having particular sympathy for him. One can be critical of people for reasons other than capital and power dynamics.

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              1. Akir
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                I am not. But anyone else could do the same as well. Critics are not special in that regard.

                I am not. But anyone else could do the same as well. Critics are not special in that regard.

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                Akir
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                It’s rather unfair of you to have edited your response after I had already replied to it. If I had not gone back I would not have noticed that it had changed because tildes does not notify people...

                It’s rather unfair of you to have edited your response after I had already replied to it. If I had not gone back I would not have noticed that it had changed because tildes does not notify people when a comment they have replied to has been edited. Now my response looks short and rude, when in reality it roughly matched the tone and length of your original response.

                In response to your edit, the parts of my earlier comment about sympathy was directed more to the person to whom I was directly responding to.

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                  pallas
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                  Apologies: while I was working on the comment, I hadn't realized that you had replied (3 minutes after I initially posted).

                  It’s rather unfair of you to have edited your response after I had already replied to it.

                  Apologies: while I was working on the comment, I hadn't realized that you had replied (3 minutes after I initially posted).

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                  1. Akir
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                    I figured it was something like that, so no worries.

                    I figured it was something like that, so no worries.

      2. [6]
        DefinitelyNotAFae
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        So if I were called away, as if in trouble, to be spoken to about the dislike for the work I do, be told I wouldn't be served, all by who knows the restaurant/critic game very well (he speaks...

        So if I were called away, as if in trouble, to be spoken to about the dislike for the work I do, be told I wouldn't be served, all by who knows the restaurant/critic game very well (he speaks positively of the positive reviews including a past critic that was criticized himself for being buddy buddy with chefs) while my friends were left without food and without answers for the duration, I'd feel like it was pretty inhospitable. It also wasn't his first time confronting critics, like that. And clearly they had her picture available to compare her to.

        Maybe he intended the gifted meal to be conciliatory, but if so it comes off the way a man insisting he be allowed to buy a female coworker a drink she doesn't want does - this thing he sees as a compliment but actually disrespects her explicit no and demeans her as a professional in the process. The lavish treatment and comped meal demeans her as a critic, especially so blatant. But that's a best case scenario in my mind.

        She'd likely have been fired if she'd accepted, even though she wasn't there for a review. She'd never have been allowed to review him after the comped meal, at a minimum. Personally I don't believe he's unaware of that, again he knows the game, he likes the game when it's nice to him.

        If he'd just refused service, he could have made his point about protecting his staff and disliking the reviews. Instead he did the thing she explicitly didn't want. Either he's naive or did it on purpose.

        (I guess he also has a reputation for a temper and the way she describes his anger at one point makes me think that this was a very uncomfortable, inhospitable conversation. I'd be questioning the meaning of a butter knife placed wrong too, but I'm assuming the staff was also rattled by the whole situation. )

        Edit: adjusted my comparison, and fixed a preposition

        22 votes
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          R3qn65
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          I do think it's worth noting that there was 30 minutes of conversation between "I want you to leave" and "okay, I'll cook for you." I think there's a possibility that he changed his mind. I'm not...

          If he'd just refused service, he could have made his point about protecting his staff and disliking the reviews. Instead he did the thing she explicitly didn't want. Either he's naive or did it on purpose.

          I do think it's worth noting that there was 30 minutes of conversation between "I want you to leave" and "okay, I'll cook for you." I think there's a possibility that he changed his mind.

          The lavish treatment and comped meal demeans her as a critic,

          I'm not sure that's exactly true; the whole reason critics usually try to be anonymous is so that restaurants don't do this - meaning it's common. BUT:

          It comes off the way a man insisting he be allowed to buy a female coworker a drink she doesn't want does.

          I think this is the best possible analogy. That's exactly how it feels to me, too.

          11 votes
          1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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            He did obviously change his mind from not cooking to cooking since he cooked, but my point there was that he's either naive and thinks she genuinely wanted the tasting menu for free, or he knew it...

            He did obviously change his mind from not cooking to cooking since he cooked, but my point there was that he's either naive and thinks she genuinely wanted the tasting menu for free, or he knew it was exactly what she didn't want (and could get fired for.)

            I don't think he's naive, personally.

            8 votes
        2. [3]
          culturedleftfoot
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          Having reread it, she was referring to the first part of the evening being inhospitable, when her friends were left unawares and she was pulled aside. I totally get that. I still remain with the...

          Having reread it, she was referring to the first part of the evening being inhospitable, when her friends were left unawares and she was pulled aside. I totally get that.

          I still remain with the impression that it was less of a confrontation with Fegan than you seem to think, though. To me it sounded like more of an awkward, uncomfortable, yet polite and earnest request that gradually softened into a vulnerable heart-to-heart between them. I didn't get the sense of much malice on his part... not to say I can't imagine that being the case, but I hesitate to determine that second-hand, when Fegan herself is sensitive enough in the article to point out his nervousness. Maybe she was trying to be diplomatic with her account, who knows?

          On the other hand, if Keller didn't have an idea beforehand of the professional implications of her accepting a comped meal, he at least is guaranteed to have a better idea than me as a reader, so I can't call her read of his gesture as the ultimate power play unreasonable, even if it just seems (from the outside) a decent thing to do.

          I guess that's where I'm left with this - I simply don't know enough, so I'm not willing to judge anyone.

          6 votes
          1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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            I'm bringing my own experience into this. It's less explicit malice and more the "I know what's best" attitude. Whether that's only being upset at bad reviews but not the critics that gave him...

            I'm bringing my own experience into this. It's less explicit malice and more the "I know what's best" attitude. Whether that's only being upset at bad reviews but not the critics that gave him good ones, whether that's deciding what she'll eat and drink, or comping the meal. That feels so demeaning as a professional.

            I also have to assume he knows she'll get fired/in trouble at work for it. The only other assumption I could make is that he's used to manipulating critics with free food (and he probably was, prior to the bad reviews, long enough ago). Neither is a great look.

            Insisting on giving someone a lavish tasting menu, tour, etc when that wasn't actually the experience they wanted isn't respect or kindness to me, even if the other person thinks it is. That's why the comparison with the guy that insists on buying a woman a drink she doesn't want, to the point of doing it.

            I do think this showed humanity and vulnerability on Keller's part, I don't think he's a monster. But I've had too many experiences that mirror this (without a $1800 dinner) to feel comfortable with it or to feel as if this is hospitality. He had "visible pique" during this conversation which is not a comfortable experience. And it really feels like ultimately it was a power play by comping the meal. TK has been around too long not to know the impact of free food on a critic.

            It's not just buying me a drink I don't want, it's buying me a drink I don't want and drinking right now will get me fired.

            9 votes
          2. R3qn65
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            To be fair to Keller, he was cooking off-menu. A review would've been impossible even if the meal hadn't been comped. The penultimate line Really shocked me. I'm completely with you in that I...

            To be fair to Keller, he was cooking off-menu. A review would've been impossible even if the meal hadn't been comped.

            The penultimate line

            all the cheerful professionalism in the world couldn’t cut through what had transpired, the inhospitality of it all.

            Really shocked me. I'm completely with you in that I thought it was an article about an awkward start that developed into an earnest conversation.

            8 votes
      3. [6]
        BeardyHat
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        I admit, I'm still confused. But I am just a lowly working class slob. Hell yeah, I'll take a $1900 meal for free--though I wonder if such a meal can actually taste or be appreciably different...

        I admit, I'm still confused.

        But I am just a lowly working class slob. Hell yeah, I'll take a $1900 meal for free--though I wonder if such a meal can actually taste or be appreciably different from something considerably less expensive.

        Also, I'm old. Main course at 10:30pm? I've shut out the light and I'm trying to fall asleep by then.

        5 votes
        1. [3]
          DefinitelyNotAFae
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          She'd get fired for accepting it.

          She'd get fired for accepting it.

          18 votes
          1. [2]
            mayonuki
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            Could someone with more knowledge of journalistic ethics clarify this for me. If she is not working, is she still not allowed to accept a free meal? In what circumstances, can she go out with...

            Could someone with more knowledge of journalistic ethics clarify this for me. If she is not working, is she still not allowed to accept a free meal? In what circumstances, can she go out with friends and they pay? She had already paid her friend, so it would be her friend who would be paying. Is a critic not allowed to go to events at restaurants that are not paid?

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            1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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              Can't speak from the journalism side specifically, but I work in a job with ethics policies about accepting gifts. Specifically, she says the Chronicle has a policy that journalists cannot accept...

              Can't speak from the journalism side specifically, but I work in a job with ethics policies about accepting gifts. Specifically, she says the Chronicle has a policy that journalists cannot accept a meal from people they cover. Her job is to cover Keller at some point in the future, and accepting the meal compromises her ability to do that. At best, she'd be banned from covering him.

              Here's what the Chronicle shares on their website:

              Gifts, meals and amenities

              Newsroom staff must not accept free gifts, services or preferential treatment. Offers from any business that wants to send gifts, including food or drink, for individuals or staff, should be declined. Perishable items should be donated to local organizations that feed the hungry.

              For some aspects of our work – such as reviews of the arts, coverage of sporting events, and coverage of private or invitation-only news events – staffers must only accept such free access as part of their journalistic coverage of the event. But staffers may not accept free tickets for personal use, and must not use their position at the news organization to request choice or hard-to-get tickets.

              Products, experiences or trips offered with the expectation that they will produce news coverage should be discussed with a senior editor. Those editors should consider the newsworthiness of such products, the real market cost, the commercial intent and whether readers will benefit from the coverage. When possible, designated critics should be employed to review products and experiences.

              The employment policies are probably more specific, especially for critics covering what is appropriate for tipping and reimbursement and such. But I think that aligns with what she said. Many people will flat refuse any such gift from a restaurant owner to avoid the perception of a conflict of interest. I think the friend paying is fine but the critic, especially obviously identified as such and given special treatment, is the issue. And hopefully her bosses would have understood it was out of her control, if the restaurant refused the work around offered. But the perception of impropriety could remain. It's genuinely why she shows up with a fake name and sunglasses/mask, despite having gone the non-anonymous route as a critic.

              (As a state employee I'm banned from accepting gifts from certain people over certain amounts - particularly if there's an attempt to influence a decision. But if my family member or personal friend gives me a christmas gift, even if the university does business with them, that's not an ethical violation. That said, some people give away the free swag they get at conferences, because they're decision makers and want to avoid even the appearance that a free stanley mug influenced their contract decision.)

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        2. MimicSquid
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          I ate at the French Laundry once, for a friend's college graduation, ages ago. I can tell you that it was appreciably different. Is it worth the money? That's a question based on your own...

          I ate at the French Laundry once, for a friend's college graduation, ages ago. I can tell you that it was appreciably different. Is it worth the money? That's a question based on your own finances, but it was an experience like no other meal I've ever had.

          10 votes
        3. daychilde
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          Consider if a food inspector went out to a restaurant to eat, got their meal comped, and then the next day arrived to do an inspection. Would consumers trust the inspection and rating given?

          Consider if a food inspector went out to a restaurant to eat, got their meal comped, and then the next day arrived to do an inspection. Would consumers trust the inspection and rating given?

          9 votes
  2. Oxalis
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    That's some old-school pettiness. I wonder how Keller feels about the de-professionalization of the review industry; the endless throngs of normal folk peddling their yelp opinions on things he...

    That's some old-school pettiness.

    I wonder how Keller feels about the de-professionalization of the review industry; the endless throngs of normal folk peddling their yelp opinions on things he probably feels they deserve no say in?

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  3. MimicSquid
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    That's a wild ride of an evening.

    That's a wild ride of an evening.

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  4. tomf
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    off topic, but the AI voice sounds great but not perfect. An excellent sweet spot. also a little more on topic, but still off --- his Chef's Table episode is a snooze-fest, but his Master Class is...

    off topic, but the AI voice sounds great but not perfect. An excellent sweet spot.

    also a little more on topic, but still off --- his Chef's Table episode is a snooze-fest, but his Master Class is great.

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