I was wondering that myself, though I suspect that it's not known at this time because it's not detailed out in any of the other documents revealed in the article. Just looking at the picture, it...
I was wondering that myself, though I suspect that it's not known at this time because it's not detailed out in any of the other documents revealed in the article.
Just looking at the picture, it appears as though the thumbstick will be swappable without opening up the case, but it's not clear if that is just the little plastic topper or the actual analog module that is typically soldered to the board. I would presume it's just the former, at which point all it's good for is replacing some worn down grip on the thumbstick or getting different grips or different color sticks or such. It would be nice if the latter was the case though, all controllers seem to develop issues with those analog sensors soldered to the board, whether it be stick drift or anything else, those things need to be more replaceable.
I wish Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo would just go with hall effect sensors... All of this just leads to more e-waste. Instead of going for a proper solution they come up with stupid shit like...
I wish Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo would just go with hall effect sensors... All of this just leads to more e-waste. Instead of going for a proper solution they come up with stupid shit like this.
Quieter buttons do sound nice though. I do hope they release this new controller in black because this black and white scheme looks really wacky.
Because sticks with hall effect sensors don't suffer from stick drift. They most definitely are the solution to this problem. Sega figured this out decades ago with the Dreamcast and Saturn 3D...
Because sticks with hall effect sensors don't suffer from stick drift. They most definitely are the solution to this problem. Sega figured this out decades ago with the Dreamcast and Saturn 3D controller and so did Sony with the DS3 controller. DS3 controllers with hall effect sensors (which sadly isn't all of them) never get stick drift and neither do Dreamcast nor Saturn 3D controllers. They can still wear out because they still have moving parts but they last a lot longer than sticks with potentiometers. They are more expensive and they'll sell fewer controllers because they last longer so that's probably why the big three kept using inferior potentiometers (and they got even worse too).
Nintendo is finally doing something about it, but third parties have beaten them to the punch. I retrofitted all my Joycons with hall effect sticks from Gulikit and they're great (after having them “repaired” by Nintendo only to have them develop drift again). They feel exactly like the original ones, except they'll never get drift.
So the refocus on Hall Effect is due to marketing efforts by Gulikit? They're doing a good job! I know 8bitdo have also been promoting their use of such sticks/sensors.
So the refocus on Hall Effect is due to marketing efforts by Gulikit? They're doing a good job!
I know 8bitdo have also been promoting their use of such sticks/sensors.
I don't think it's due to anybody in particular. It's just the best/only solution for the stick drift problem. People have been wanting it for years. Gulikit only started making hall effect thumb...
I don't think it's due to anybody in particular. It's just the best/only solution for the stick drift problem. People have been wanting it for years. Gulikit only started making hall effect thumb sticks for various controllers after people started asking for them.
I'm sure most of it comes down to cost and availability. The sensors used in all the consoles I think are all made by Alps and are a standard thing. They are known and common, so making...
I'm sure most of it comes down to cost and availability. The sensors used in all the consoles I think are all made by Alps and are a standard thing. They are known and common, so making controllers at scale is easy to mass produce. I don't have a first hand account of that or remember the source, but I remember reading that this was why you didn't see everyone using the hall effect sensors yet.
That's almost always the case, though I think it's more down to cost than availability in this case. Microsoft has been using hall effect sensors in all of their controllers since Xbox One but...
That's almost always the case, though I think it's more down to cost than availability in this case. Microsoft has been using hall effect sensors in all of their controllers since Xbox One but only for the triggers. Hall effect sensors have been commonplace for a very long time now but they are a couple of cents more expensive per unit, which is a big deal when mass-producing controllers like this.
I also believe it's a bit more nefarious. It's been clear to me for a while that selling new controllers is part of their business model. Sony controllers especially have a reputation for having a rather short lifespan, it's not at all in Sony's best interest to make them last longer because they'll sell less of them. Nintendo isn't much better than this, joy-cons still sell like hot cakes because they don't last long.
People don't know any better technical solution to drifting. I myself aren't aware of the limitation of Hall effect sensor. Care to provide an executive summary ?
People don't know any better technical solution to drifting. I myself aren't aware of the limitation of Hall effect sensor. Care to provide an executive summary ?
Probably something akin to the PlayStation Edge controller's modular thumbsticks. https://direct.playstation.com/en-us/buy-accessories/stick-module-for-dualsense-edge-wireless-controller Edit:...
Probably something akin to the PlayStation Edge controller's modular thumbsticks.
Here i was really excited for a hot second before i read from that image that it has an accelerometer, not a gyro. That makes the article really misleading. Though, it's odd that it's only...
Here i was really excited for a hot second before i read from that image that it has an accelerometer, not a gyro. That makes the article really misleading.
Though, it's odd that it's only accelerometer. All the other controllers are gyro. Maybe Microsoft messed it up on the slide.
Edit: Oh, it might be just for the "Lift to wake" -feature. Not really for gameplay. Which means no gyro aiming for Microsoft this time either.
Damn, I didn't realize that. This is the first post I've seen point out it's not really gyro. What a waste! I was really hoping for gyro aiming to finally be available on all controllers, Xbox is...
Damn, I didn't realize that. This is the first post I've seen point out it's not really gyro. What a waste! I was really hoping for gyro aiming to finally be available on all controllers, Xbox is over a decade behind on this, with third party games like Fortnite now offering gyro aim as it's becoming more popular, and they even bothered to add the accelerometer and haptic rumble so it's such an odd decision not to add gyro.
Modular thumbsticks? What do they mean by that?
On the Xbox elite series controllers, it's possible to swap the thumbsticks with a taller variant. So I assume they mean something like that.
I was wondering that myself, though I suspect that it's not known at this time because it's not detailed out in any of the other documents revealed in the article.
Just looking at the picture, it appears as though the thumbstick will be swappable without opening up the case, but it's not clear if that is just the little plastic topper or the actual analog module that is typically soldered to the board. I would presume it's just the former, at which point all it's good for is replacing some worn down grip on the thumbstick or getting different grips or different color sticks or such. It would be nice if the latter was the case though, all controllers seem to develop issues with those analog sensors soldered to the board, whether it be stick drift or anything else, those things need to be more replaceable.
I wish Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo would just go with hall effect sensors... All of this just leads to more e-waste. Instead of going for a proper solution they come up with stupid shit like this.
Quieter buttons do sound nice though. I do hope they release this new controller in black because this black and white scheme looks really wacky.
What's with the fairly sudden refocus on Hall Effect sensors? It's not the panacea for this issue. Also, Nintendo just patented their own take. https://gonintendo.com/contents/25633-nintendo-files-patent-for-hall-effect-like-joystick
Because sticks with hall effect sensors don't suffer from stick drift. They most definitely are the solution to this problem. Sega figured this out decades ago with the Dreamcast and Saturn 3D controller and so did Sony with the DS3 controller. DS3 controllers with hall effect sensors (which sadly isn't all of them) never get stick drift and neither do Dreamcast nor Saturn 3D controllers. They can still wear out because they still have moving parts but they last a lot longer than sticks with potentiometers. They are more expensive and they'll sell fewer controllers because they last longer so that's probably why the big three kept using inferior potentiometers (and they got even worse too).
Nintendo is finally doing something about it, but third parties have beaten them to the punch. I retrofitted all my Joycons with hall effect sticks from Gulikit and they're great (after having them “repaired” by Nintendo only to have them develop drift again). They feel exactly like the original ones, except they'll never get drift.
So the refocus on Hall Effect is due to marketing efforts by Gulikit? They're doing a good job!
I know 8bitdo have also been promoting their use of such sticks/sensors.
I don't think it's due to anybody in particular. It's just the best/only solution for the stick drift problem. People have been wanting it for years. Gulikit only started making hall effect thumb sticks for various controllers after people started asking for them.
I'm sure most of it comes down to cost and availability. The sensors used in all the consoles I think are all made by Alps and are a standard thing. They are known and common, so making controllers at scale is easy to mass produce. I don't have a first hand account of that or remember the source, but I remember reading that this was why you didn't see everyone using the hall effect sensors yet.
That's almost always the case, though I think it's more down to cost than availability in this case. Microsoft has been using hall effect sensors in all of their controllers since Xbox One but only for the triggers. Hall effect sensors have been commonplace for a very long time now but they are a couple of cents more expensive per unit, which is a big deal when mass-producing controllers like this.
I also believe it's a bit more nefarious. It's been clear to me for a while that selling new controllers is part of their business model. Sony controllers especially have a reputation for having a rather short lifespan, it's not at all in Sony's best interest to make them last longer because they'll sell less of them. Nintendo isn't much better than this, joy-cons still sell like hot cakes because they don't last long.
People don't know any better technical solution to drifting. I myself aren't aware of the limitation of Hall effect sensor. Care to provide an executive summary ?
Probably something akin to the PlayStation Edge controller's modular thumbsticks.
https://direct.playstation.com/en-us/buy-accessories/stick-module-for-dualsense-edge-wireless-controller
Edit: After reading @psi's comment, it could be that instead.
Here i was really excited for a hot second before i read from that image that it has an accelerometer, not a gyro. That makes the article really misleading.
Though, it's odd that it's only accelerometer. All the other controllers are gyro. Maybe Microsoft messed it up on the slide.
Edit: Oh, it might be just for the "Lift to wake" -feature. Not really for gameplay. Which means no gyro aiming for Microsoft this time either.
Damn, I didn't realize that. This is the first post I've seen point out it's not really gyro. What a waste! I was really hoping for gyro aiming to finally be available on all controllers, Xbox is over a decade behind on this, with third party games like Fortnite now offering gyro aim as it's becoming more popular, and they even bothered to add the accelerometer and haptic rumble so it's such an odd decision not to add gyro.
Looks like they added a correction to the article since you wrote this comment.