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Chinese woman in Beijing goes on one hundred blind dates per year

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  1. [4]
    DrStone
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    Averaging 100 blind - first - dates a year since 2017 (conservatively 6 years) makes 600 first dates. With 365 days in a year, that’s around 3 days between first dates, and many end within...

    Averaging 100 blind - first - dates a year since 2017 (conservatively 6 years) makes 600 first dates. With 365 days in a year, that’s around 3 days between first dates, and many end within minutes; safe to assume practically no second dates, let alone more. From that, she has developed an absolutely ineffective “standard operating procedure” based on critical life partner metrics like who paid for the first date, if they have a car, and their updates with interesting videos on social media.

    At some point you have to consider the single common factor might be the glaringly obvious problem. Somehow the self-description “highly marriageable” seems inaccurate, and taking that view oneself is often itself a red flag.

    37 votes
    1. [2]
      Hollow
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      From the article: "Very few people make it to the second date. Last week, I met six men, two of whom progressed to the second date — this is an exceptionally good outcome. After the second date,...

      safe to assume practically no second dates, let alone more.

      From the article: "Very few people make it to the second date. Last week, I met six men, two of whom progressed to the second date — this is an exceptionally good outcome. After the second date, about 50% of candidates are eliminated."

      8 votes
      1. DrStone
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        Yeah, I read most of the rest of it. I stand by “practically no second dates”. Further, given what she categorizes as longer term contact, I also stand by “let alone more”.

        Yeah, I read most of the rest of it. I stand by “practically no second dates”. Further, given what she categorizes as longer term contact, I also stand by “let alone more”.

        4 votes
    2. countchocula
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      On paper she can be highly marriageable but it kind of feels like she's also judging potential partners on paper as well. Like, atleast from the article the primary things she pays attention to...

      On paper she can be highly marriageable but it kind of feels like she's also judging potential partners on paper as well. Like, atleast from the article the primary things she pays attention to are incredibly superficial.

      But yeah, at the end of the day the only thing her system is good for is staying single, it seems.

      1 vote
  2. [4]
    teaearlgraycold
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    I haven't read too much of this, but I do think dating apps enable this kind of behavior. I've found myself thinking like this before. Really, the best matches I've ever found have come from...

    I haven't read too much of this, but I do think dating apps enable this kind of behavior. I've found myself thinking like this before.

    Really, the best matches I've ever found have come from people I met in person first - outside of any dating context. Apps let you systematize your search but you'd need superhuman abilities to systematically find the right person and build the right relationship.

    21 votes
    1. DrStone
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      I met my eventual spouse online, as have at least half of my social circle across several countries. Older millennial, for reference. Once you are actually communicating, and certainly once across...

      I met my eventual spouse online, as have at least half of my social circle across several countries. Older millennial, for reference.

      Once you are actually communicating, and certainly once across the table from them, the most important thing is to stop thinking of it systematically as an absolute optimization problem to find The One(tm). Focus on them as an individual on a human level, give it an honest chance with your full attention not just ticking mental boxes, and see whether there’s enough of a connection to want to meet them at least once more.

      Maybe it goes exactly as expected after all or maybe it’s a pleasant or unpleasant surprise. Either way there’s always something worth learning no matter how small.

      18 votes
    2. RoyalHenOil
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      When I was single, I found that meeting online led to somewhat better matches than meeting in person, but it needed to be more casual and less rushed (basically the exact opposite of this woman's...

      When I was single, I found that meeting online led to somewhat better matches than meeting in person, but it needed to be more casual and less rushed (basically the exact opposite of this woman's strategy) than most people are willing to do. This is because I am extremely slow to feel attraction to someone; I have to feel very comfortable around them and regard them as a good friend before I can develop romantic feelings. I did form some connections with a few guys who accommodated my cold feet, and so there were a few potential relationships I was very interested in pursuing (until I fell in love with my current partner instead).

      I also went on a large number of dates with people I met in person, but I never felt any chemistry. In-person dating was inherently too rushed; I was not anywhere close to experiencing any kind of romantic or sexual attraction to someone I barely knew.

      All of my relationships grew out of established platonic friendships. But all but one of these (the one I am in now) didn't really work out — I think because, as a general rule, most people are far quicker to experience attraction than I am, and so the fact that these guys didn't make any moves earlier in the friendship suggests that I wasn't really their #1 pick, if that makes sense.

      I ended up with someone I originally met on a dating website, but we were from the opposite sides of the globe, and I think the circumstances were basically ideal for us. Dating was absolutely not on the cards due to the distance (for example, I had a hard rule where I wouldn't date someone who lived more than 2 hours away from me — and we were more like 36 hours apart), so we were just penpals for years. We fell in love when we started video chatting for the first time, and I think that was about ideal: I felt very comfortable with him after years of email correspondence, yet the chemistry was also immediate and essentially love at first sight (something I had never experienced before).

      What proceeded was years of long distance, mountains of paperwork, and savings-depleting expenses to be together. This was a far higher price than either of us had previously ever imagined a relationship could be worth, but once we fell in love, there was no question that we would do it. We knew it would be hard, but the alternative was inconceivable.

      Online dating is just a tool, which can absolutely be used to good effect, but she doesn't seem to know how. She is systemically searching for men as if she were arranging a compatible-but-loveless marriage, but then she is disappointed when she doesn't feel any chemistry for them or them for her. I think she misunderstands how love works and believes it's a simple numbers numbers game. I mean, it is a numbers game to a certain extent, but she has probably met dozens of men she could have fallen in love with if she had given them and herself the chance to do so. How many years will she try this failing strategy over and over again before she realizes she's doing it wrong?

      14 votes
    3. devilized
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      I wonder if this has changed over time? I met my wife online in 2013. I had dated a few other women that I also met online before her, and there was only one instance where I felt like the woman...

      I wonder if this has changed over time? I met my wife online in 2013. I had dated a few other women that I also met online before her, and there was only one instance where I felt like the woman was a serial dater. Based on hearing other people's stories about online dating, I feel like I had relative success in that space, which is surprising to me considering I'm not conventionally attractive.

      2 votes
  3. [2]
    chizcurl
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    Some cultural context is missing from the article. Li seems motivated by the super traditional view that her womanhood has an expiration date, past which she will be an undesirable "leftover"...

    Some cultural context is missing from the article. Li seems motivated by the super traditional view that her womanhood has an expiration date, past which she will be an undesirable "leftover" (like food). It's similar to the "single cat lady", except it's harder to push back in a society in which you're expected to stay close to inter-generational family, who will likely remind you of your leftover status every day until they die. Men can't escape the pressure either; Li says that many of the people she met were just going through the motions. Ironically, so is she: her dates "are just entries in the spreadsheet".

    I think Li struggles to identify what she truly wants. Her ideal partner (older, mature, and stable) harkens to the olden days of marrying for finances over love (which is still a necessity for many people depending on where they live). She can't shake her true desire to find someone ambitious, daring, and willing to grow with her. However, she doesn't spend enough time with another person to explore this possibility. She subsequently explains how she's written off all Finance and Humanities people because she hates luxury hobbies and operas, as she is not sophisticated herself. What happened to growing?

    It would help if Li slowed down and got to know herself better, too. She says she's okay with "decent looking" guys, but her most promising dates turn into friendships. What if she is more "shallow" than she wants to admit? What if she's demisexual? Nothing wrong with either of those things, imo.

    16 votes
    1. UP8
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      I mentioned this book in another reply https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lsereviewofbooks/2012/05/24/book-review-why-love-hurts/ which does make the case (from a feminist standpoint) that women are right to...

      I mentioned this book in another reply

      https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lsereviewofbooks/2012/05/24/book-review-why-love-hurts/

      which does make the case (from a feminist standpoint) that women are right to be concerned about taking too long to find a partner because women's fertility is not infinite. It's not a matter of "my body my choice" but more a matter of the choice being made for you if enough time passes. Not like people have to have kids but it is something that most people find to be one of the most satisfying things they did in their life. Her opportunity is not lost at 32 but if she loses another 5 years here and another 5 years there it could be.

      That's something entirely different from the pushy parents with traditional values or the Woody Allen types who might think 17 is getting too old.

      2 votes
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    TumblingTurquoise
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    Off topic, but I always wondered about something, whenever I encountered articles like this: how do these publications find out about these stories? Do they contact random people and ask weird...

    Off topic, but I always wondered about something, whenever I encountered articles like this: how do these publications find out about these stories? Do they contact random people and ask weird questions? Do the people themselves contact the journalist and let them know about their weird practices, such as this one?

    8 votes
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      Hollow
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      The story came from this Chinese article, written by one of her hundred dates: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/2XXsyJ4RPNrQhkaUv2YUVQ

      The story came from this Chinese article, written by one of her hundred dates: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/2XXsyJ4RPNrQhkaUv2YUVQ

      10 votes
      1. [3]
        terr
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        I presume it's just an error in Chrome's translation, but this excerpt from that article gave me a chuckle (emphasis mine):

        I presume it's just an error in Chrome's translation, but this excerpt from that article gave me a chuckle (emphasis mine):

        Li Yufei was the first to refute the statement that "the vision is too high". In her opinion, her screening standards have been set quite low. Boys must be above 16cm tall and have good appearance.

        6 votes
        1. Pretzilla
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          Translate missed that - should be 'more than 16cm long'

          Translate missed that - should be 'more than 16cm long'

          3 votes
        2. Hollow
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          Indeed, that should read 167 cm. I wonder how Chrome missed the last digit.

          Indeed, that should read 167 cm. I wonder how Chrome missed the last digit.

          2 votes
    2. Sodliddesu
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      You ever had a friend who does something interesting? You ever had a friend who knows anyone who works in any kind of media? Usually, you'll tell a friend a weird story and they'll tell someone...

      You ever had a friend who does something interesting? You ever had a friend who knows anyone who works in any kind of media? Usually, you'll tell a friend a weird story and they'll tell someone else who'll say "Oh, So and so works for [Radio, TV, Print outlet] you've got to tell them!" and once it's carried on one outlet it'll get found by other people who run the story as well.

      I suppose the more attention hungry people might call the news on themselves but that's not the usual way.

      3 votes
  5. ackables
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    Am I missing something here? How is this not discrimination? If this guy lives in Beijing and is more senior than you at your job, why would you think you would move to a rural environment?

    My second relationship was with a colleague. I had just started working after completing my master’s degree and was still quite “green.” He was the same age as me but had begun working right out of college and was already very accomplished. The relationship ultimately ended because of our different family backgrounds; he was from a rural area in the northeast, and my family opposed the match. Since then, I’ve tried to avoid candidates from rural backgrounds in my search for a husband — not out of discrimination, but because I grew up in the city and am not accustomed to living in a rural environment.

    Am I missing something here? How is this not discrimination? If this guy lives in Beijing and is more senior than you at your job, why would you think you would move to a rural environment?

    8 votes
  6. Hollow
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    ‘I Go on 100 Blind Dates a Year. How Am I Still Single?’
    After hundreds of blind dates, high school teacher Li Yufei has devised a standard operating procedure to sift the studs from the duds. Yet, her search for “the one” continues.

    5 votes
  7. UP8
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    Eva Illuoz in this excellent book https://www.amazon.com/Why-Love-Hurts-Sociological-Explanation/dp/0745671071 talks about the “architecture of choice” in modern dating and why this strategy...

    Eva Illuoz in this excellent book

    https://www.amazon.com/Why-Love-Hurts-Sociological-Explanation/dp/0745671071

    talks about the “architecture of choice” in modern dating and why this strategy fails. Stendhal, in this classic

    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/53720/53720-h/53720-h.htm

    describes the process of “crystallization”, that is the process of falling in love and how when you are head over heels for somebody you see that person as singular, unique and irreplaceable — pretty obviously looking at it as a numbers game where you have a choice of thousands and thousands of people will ensure that you never fall in love unless you quit playing the game. Illouz points that this is particularly hazardous for women because they can stay single for longer than they stay fertile.

    See also the strange story of this lonely rationalist

    https://knowingless.com/2021/11/15/what-i-learned-from-my-date-me-experiment/

    3 votes
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    1. [3]
      Sodliddesu
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      Wikipedia has the average height of a male in China at 5'8"ish, so setting her criteria at 5'4" isn't so bad I suppose... But it's honestly just another of her many red flags and I'm not saying...

      Wikipedia has the average height of a male in China at 5'8"ish, so setting her criteria at 5'4" isn't so bad I suppose...

      But it's honestly just another of her many red flags and I'm not saying she's patriotic...

      16 votes
      1. Thales
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        167cm = 65.75 inches, or a little less than 5’6 (5’5 and 3/4).

        167cm = 65.75 inches, or a little less than 5’6 (5’5 and 3/4).

        8 votes
      2. rubaboo
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        😂 Hah! This got me by the bubu.

        just another of her many red flags and I'm not saying she's patriotic...

        😂

        Hah! This got me by the bubu.

        7 votes
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    Nijuu
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    I think it's pretty obvious something about her. Fussy. Picky. However you want to describe it. Once she hits her 30s she will likely become what's known as a leftover woman in our culture

    I think it's pretty obvious something about her. Fussy. Picky. However you want to describe it. Once she hits her 30s she will likely become what's known as a leftover woman in our culture

    2 votes
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      GenuinelyCrooked
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      I don't see anything in the article that seems particularly picky, but some of her standards are described vaguely so it's hard to say. She's already in her 30's. Maybe living in a culture that...

      I don't see anything in the article that seems particularly picky, but some of her standards are described vaguely so it's hard to say.

      She's already in her 30's. Maybe living in a culture that treats women her age like they're past their "sell by" date is contributing to her struggles.

      11 votes
      1. Nijuu
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        Possible but women on mainland China now can afford to be picky There is a lot more men than women and it feels women there at least are more successful business wise. It does in general say...

        Possible but women on mainland China now can afford to be picky
        There is a lot more men than women and it feels women there at least are more successful business wise. It does in general say something about her I guess, I mean if she has been looking for years, her criteria is above average ?

        1 vote
    2. ackables
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      I think it's pretty wrong to judge a woman's worth by their age. Children may not even be a goal of hers.

      I think it's pretty wrong to judge a woman's worth by their age. Children may not even be a goal of hers.

      5 votes
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      RoyalHenOil
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      Are 30-year-old women really considered "leftover" in China? The male-to-female ratio in China implies it would be a very foolish sexual strategy for men to be that selective. Even in countries...

      Are 30-year-old women really considered "leftover" in China? The male-to-female ratio in China implies it would be a very foolish sexual strategy for men to be that selective. Even in countries where the sex ratio is more even, men are generally not that selective.

      That mindset seems pretty anachronistic in modern economies with high male survival (fewer war deaths, workplace deaths, etc., to skew the population female) and very low infant mortality (making later-age marriage much less of an obstacle to successfully raising children to adulthood).

      2 votes
      1. Nijuu
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        Ask people who are more traditional than I am. There are words/phrases to describe it.

        Ask people who are more traditional than I am. There are words/phrases to describe it.