Given that there's seemingly been a huge uptick in posts here and more broadly about how the younger generations are doomed/broken/somehow differently flawed than other generations, I thought this...
Given that there's seemingly been a huge uptick in posts here and more broadly about how the younger generations are doomed/broken/somehow differently flawed than other generations, I thought this was really refreshing to read.
Although quality data are sparse, the research that does exist suggests a different narrative—one in which kids are faring better in many ways than those of previous generations. Studies suggest youths are more empathetic and less narcissistic than in the past, as well as more open-minded and inclusive. Drug use is down, youth violence has dropped and teen pregnancies have declined. IQs have gone up, and kids exhibit more self-restraint and patience than they did 50 years ago. “There are a number of trends that are in a positive direction,” says Kristin Moore, a senior scholar at Child Trends, a nonprofit research organization focused on child and family well-being.
In 2011 Sara Konrath, a social psychologist at Indiana University Indianapolis, and her colleagues analyzed changes in empathy—concern for others and the ability to take their perspectives—among nearly 14,000 college students from 1979 to 2009. They found that empathy had sharply declined across the 30-year period. Their paper led to a flurry of articles, including in this magazine, lamenting the loss of empathy among youths.
Then, in 2025, Konrath and her colleagues updated their analysis to look at empathy trends through 2018. They were excited to discover that 2007 was actually the low-water point for empathy—levels dipped to their lowest that year but then shot back up. A decade later empathy in young people was higher than it had been at any other time over the previous 39 years.
This new, more positive discovery didn’t get nearly as much media coverage as the one published in 2011, which Konrath found frustrating. “I have to say that I’ve noticed good news is not as popular as bad news,” she says. Recent science supports her assertion: a 2025 study found that negative and alarming articles about children are more likely to go viral than nuanced and balanced stories.
Kids today are highly interested in helping others, too. In work presented at the 2023 conference of the European Research Network on Philanthropy, Konrath and her colleagues surveyed nearly 700 adolescents and found that 73 percent had volunteered or given to charities. “Fixating on that negative story you see in the headlines isn’t really representing the reality of young people,” Konrath says.
Although there’s no question that racism and homophobia remain persistent problems, a 2019 study analyzed more than four million tests of implicit and explicit attitudes administered to people in the U.S. between 2007 and 2016 and found substantial declines in anti-gay and racial bias, especially among young people. A 2024 study found that homophobic beliefs and attitudes have been dropping among adolescent boys in Canada, and in another study, researchers in Turkey found that Generations Y and Z hold more egalitarian views about gender and are more likely to reject violence against women compared with Gen Xers. “I frequently hear from parents how shocked they are by their children’s complete comfort with the spectrum of sexuality and gender identity, and I think there’s a contrast with how we grew up,” says Emily Edlynn, a clinical psychologist in Illinois who has been practicing for 20 years.
One important skill these shifts may be nurturing is emotional literacy. “Over the past 15 years of clinical work with young people and their families, I have definitely noticed that many kids come in with a richer emotional vocabulary than kids I saw earlier in my career,” says Tracy A. Prout, a clinical psychologist based in New York State. “They’re often better able to name feelings, talk about mental health, and recognize concepts like anxiety, overwhelm or burnout.”
But warmer, more empathetic parenting could help explain why kids are becoming more empathetic themselves. In a 2024 study, researchers at the University of Virginia invited 184 13-year-olds and their parents into a laboratory and observed how empathetic the teens’ mothers were when their kids asked for help. Every year after that, until the children were 19, the researchers also observed how empathetic those teens were with their closest friend. They found that the more empathetic the mothers were with their teens, the more empathy those teens showed for their friends throughout adolescence. The study suggests that empathy can be passed down from parents to children through warm everyday interactions.
One problem is that cognitive biases often make us think kids today are faring worse than kids in the past. In a series of experiments published in 2019, Protzko and Jonathan Schooler, a psychologist at the University of California, Santa Barbara, found that intelligent adults (those who did well on a vocabulary test) think youths today are less smart than kids used to be, and well-read people (based on an author-recognition test) believe kids today enjoy reading less than kids did in the past. Yet data don’t bear out these ideas. These misperceptions, the researchers found, are driven by people’s tendency to notice the limitations of others in areas in which they excel combined with a memory bias that causes them to project their own abilities onto entire past generations. “No reality can match an artificially elevated view of the past,” Protzko explains.
TL;DR: The kids are actually doing great - better than those before them in a shockingly large number of metrics - and you shouldn't worry as much as you probably have been about backsliding culture and online vitriol. It's a problem, we should work on it, but the overall trend is still good and the kids are still alright.
I'm worried if this is a "K shaped" generation. I don't think this necessarily contradicts other studies that kids are worse off. It might also be polarizing that the "have" kids are doing better...
I'm worried if this is a "K shaped" generation. I don't think this necessarily contradicts other studies that kids are worse off. It might also be polarizing that the "have" kids are doing better while the"have nots" are doing worse.
I remember reading that during covid when kids had to be essentially homeschooled the kids with good support and stable families did just fine and some even did amazing and the kids without that...
I remember reading that during covid when kids had to be essentially homeschooled the kids with good support and stable families did just fine and some even did amazing and the kids without that did far worse than they would have in a classroom.
Not even just good support and "stable" families. Enough bedrooms for their college kid to be at home without complications. Being able to work from home and help their kids with the technical...
Not even just good support and "stable" families. Enough bedrooms for their college kid to be at home without complications. Being able to work from home and help their kids with the technical aspects of zoom school vs having to deputize the older kids into caring for the younger ones because all parents were "essential" staff. Already having good wifi. Not losing a lot of people to COVID deaths and all of that trauma, or having traumatized healthcare worker parents.
I saw it in the college kids during lockdown and then the ripples out since then. Kids that didn't get the regular breakfasts and lunches or the breaks from an abusive home that school provided, the teachers' eyes on them that caught problems early suffered the most. I'm not saying you're diminishing it, but "stable" undersells what kids needed (and some lacked) by a lot.
Oh true and yeah, same, the tech industry went absolutely wild in 2020-2022 and I used that to hop jobs and double my income. My spouse just got laid off from their tech job and if I hadn’t made...
Oh true and yeah, same, the tech industry went absolutely wild in 2020-2022 and I used that to hop jobs and double my income.
My spouse just got laid off from their tech job and if I hadn’t made those moves we’d be in a pinch right now but as it is we’re living pretty comfortably.
This is perennially true. Negativity bias isn't just a buzzword, it's a trait we all share to varying degrees and have to work at offsetting. Thanks for the positive news!
This new, more positive discovery didn’t get nearly as much media coverage as the one published in 2011, which Konrath found frustrating. “I have to say that I’ve noticed good news is not as popular as bad news,” she says.
This is perennially true. Negativity bias isn't just a buzzword, it's a trait we all share to varying degrees and have to work at offsetting.
I don't think their empathy was ever in question, was it? In my experience, when we're talking about how the young folks are faring it's that they have no economic prospects, few chances at home...
I don't think their empathy was ever in question, was it? In my experience, when we're talking about how the young folks are faring it's that they have no economic prospects, few chances at home ownership, they're looking at a pulled up ladder by the prior generations, and they're fairly doomer about money and freely take on debt since there's nothing else to spend it on anyway. All the economic woes while also staring down an existential threat in the form of climate change.
A lot of doomer takes I've seen posted on Tildes have absolutely been about how Gen Z or Alpha are morally inferior to previous generations and focus on things like online harassment. Those types...
A lot of doomer takes I've seen posted on Tildes have absolutely been about how Gen Z or Alpha are morally inferior to previous generations and focus on things like online harassment. Those types of articles definitely gesture at the idea that kids these days are worse to each other or less empathetic than previous generations.
Huh interesting. The title of this article didn't come as a surprise. I thought it was well-known the post-millenial generations are more accepting and open towards people of all kinds. Less...
Huh interesting. The title of this article didn't come as a surprise. I thought it was well-known the post-millenial generations are more accepting and open towards people of all kinds. Less bullying, acceptance of non cis people, open about mental health, etcetera.
I do think there's a shadow side to these studies where younger people are much more impacted by social media and an always online culture than we know. There are some clear indicators too. Yeah the article mentions emotional literacy but actual literacy is not looking so hot. Then again, it appears to be a social study so that'd be out of scope.
At any rate, I don't mean to put this thread on a sidetrack, I simply thought these conclusions have appeared in studies before.
These conclusions definitely have appeared in studies before I think -- but the news media and opinion pieces that often get linked on Tildes definitely tend to paint a more doomerist picture of...
These conclusions definitely have appeared in studies before I think -- but the news media and opinion pieces that often get linked on Tildes definitely tend to paint a more doomerist picture of modern youth and their outlook on the world.
Also no need to apologize, I think this is a useful and interesting discussion in this topic
Wasn't that a constant throughout history? Video-game makes you violent Reality TV and MTV makes you stupid ... Writing makes you intellectually lazy (from Socrates! )
how Gen Z or Alpha are morally inferior to previous generations
Wasn't that a constant throughout history?
Video-game makes you violent
Reality TV and MTV makes you stupid
...
Writing makes you intellectually lazy (from Socrates! )
While this "X is ruining our kids' minds" pattern is a classic, I think the moral level of it (e.g., the idea that young men are more misogynistic now than previously or that teen bullying and...
While this "X is ruining our kids' minds" pattern is a classic, I think the moral level of it (e.g., the idea that young men are more misogynistic now than previously or that teen bullying and harassment are worse) is less timeless and features a lot in topics on Tildes.
Did it occur to anybody that things are doing better because us parents worry extensivly about backsliding culture and vitrol? A recurring theme in my house is to get my kids to call us out on...
Did it occur to anybody that things are doing better because us parents worry extensivly about backsliding culture and vitrol?
A recurring theme in my house is to get my kids to call us out on screen use. And replying to "why can't I have a tablet/phone/smartwatch" with "Does it feel good or bad when Mom and I ignore you while we're on our phones? We're trying to keep you from ending up like us."
The rising popularity of the manosphere and increasing violence in schools tells me there is a lot more than what this story is telling.
Given that there's seemingly been a huge uptick in posts here and more broadly about how the younger generations are doomed/broken/somehow differently flawed than other generations, I thought this was really refreshing to read.
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TL;DR: The kids are actually doing great - better than those before them in a shockingly large number of metrics - and you shouldn't worry as much as you probably have been about backsliding culture and online vitriol. It's a problem, we should work on it, but the overall trend is still good and the kids are still alright.
I'm worried if this is a "K shaped" generation. I don't think this necessarily contradicts other studies that kids are worse off. It might also be polarizing that the "have" kids are doing better while the"have nots" are doing worse.
I remember reading that during covid when kids had to be essentially homeschooled the kids with good support and stable families did just fine and some even did amazing and the kids without that did far worse than they would have in a classroom.
Not even just good support and "stable" families. Enough bedrooms for their college kid to be at home without complications. Being able to work from home and help their kids with the technical aspects of zoom school vs having to deputize the older kids into caring for the younger ones because all parents were "essential" staff. Already having good wifi. Not losing a lot of people to COVID deaths and all of that trauma, or having traumatized healthcare worker parents.
I saw it in the college kids during lockdown and then the ripples out since then. Kids that didn't get the regular breakfasts and lunches or the breaks from an abusive home that school provided, the teachers' eyes on them that caught problems early suffered the most. I'm not saying you're diminishing it, but "stable" undersells what kids needed (and some lacked) by a lot.
Probably the same with adults as well. I had a 10/10 year in 2020. But many were not so lucky.
Oh true and yeah, same, the tech industry went absolutely wild in 2020-2022 and I used that to hop jobs and double my income.
My spouse just got laid off from their tech job and if I hadn’t made those moves we’d be in a pinch right now but as it is we’re living pretty comfortably.
This is perennially true. Negativity bias isn't just a buzzword, it's a trait we all share to varying degrees and have to work at offsetting.
Thanks for the positive news!
I don't think their empathy was ever in question, was it? In my experience, when we're talking about how the young folks are faring it's that they have no economic prospects, few chances at home ownership, they're looking at a pulled up ladder by the prior generations, and they're fairly doomer about money and freely take on debt since there's nothing else to spend it on anyway. All the economic woes while also staring down an existential threat in the form of climate change.
A lot of doomer takes I've seen posted on Tildes have absolutely been about how Gen Z or Alpha are morally inferior to previous generations and focus on things like online harassment. Those types of articles definitely gesture at the idea that kids these days are worse to each other or less empathetic than previous generations.
Huh interesting. The title of this article didn't come as a surprise. I thought it was well-known the post-millenial generations are more accepting and open towards people of all kinds. Less bullying, acceptance of non cis people, open about mental health, etcetera.
I do think there's a shadow side to these studies where younger people are much more impacted by social media and an always online culture than we know. There are some clear indicators too. Yeah the article mentions emotional literacy but actual literacy is not looking so hot. Then again, it appears to be a social study so that'd be out of scope.
At any rate, I don't mean to put this thread on a sidetrack, I simply thought these conclusions have appeared in studies before.
These conclusions definitely have appeared in studies before I think -- but the news media and opinion pieces that often get linked on Tildes definitely tend to paint a more doomerist picture of modern youth and their outlook on the world.
Also no need to apologize, I think this is a useful and interesting discussion in this topic
Wasn't that a constant throughout history?
While this "X is ruining our kids' minds" pattern is a classic, I think the moral level of it (e.g., the idea that young men are more misogynistic now than previously or that teen bullying and harassment are worse) is less timeless and features a lot in topics on Tildes.
Did it occur to anybody that things are doing better because us parents worry extensivly about backsliding culture and vitrol?
A recurring theme in my house is to get my kids to call us out on screen use. And replying to "why can't I have a tablet/phone/smartwatch" with "Does it feel good or bad when Mom and I ignore you while we're on our phones? We're trying to keep you from ending up like us."
The rising popularity of the manosphere and increasing violence in schools tells me there is a lot more than what this story is telling.