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Melissa Barrera dropped from ‘Scream VII’ after social media posts amid Israel-Hamas war
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- Title
- Melissa Barrera Dropped From 'Scream VII'
- Authors
- Aaron Couch
- Published
- Nov 21 2023
- Word count
- 213 words
I don't know what else to do or say other than follow The Onion's example.
I think it's okay if you're not scheduled to star in Scream VII.
Or literally any public facing role.
Jeez. That was hardly even inflammatory. I feel like this is chum for the crowd that believes a certain crowd controls the media, isn't it?
Her statement is that Israel is committing a holocaust against the Palestinian people, using the words genocide and concentration camp. If that doesn’t clear your bar for inflammatory, what does?
I’m not a fan of comments like this, you should try to avoid making harmful statements while hiding behind “well other people are saying this, not me”. Unfortunately, we’re all exposed to these kind of ideas, so we can’t help but think of stereotypes. We try to recover by telling ourselves “I’m sure other people are thinking that”. But the best thing is just to discard it, and try to get it out of the discourse.
I also found that remark quite disturbing. But I also find it disturbing the idea that comparing Gaza to a concentration camp or describing what is happening there as ethnic cleansing should be considered inflammatory. All the while, the IDF campaign marches on, literally concentrating the Palestinian people (who are not allowed to leave Gaza) into an ever growing smaller geographic region, where they will literally set up camps if they want to have any kind of shelter over their heads.
So you would rather people just not talk about how these things help make conspiracy theorists more confident? That is an actual effect of this sort of censorship, and mentioning is isn't an indication that the speaker is just couching their own beliefs.
Yes, the events of the Holocaust were horrible but calling a genocide a genocide is not inflammatory. If anything it's descriptive. Just because the descendants of the formerly oppressed are commiting it doesn't mean they get a pass.
Another poster linked to a version of her statements with more context where she was more directly dog whistling meaning was my original statement correct. I wasn't hiding behind 'other people', I literally said "I feel" because it sounded like an antisemitic dog whistle to me.
Look, I'm going to admit that I've been following Israeli/Palestinian interactions for a lot longer than this conflict and, due to their repeated human rights violations, I'm biased against Israel. As I've held this opinion for a while, I'm aware that plenty of people hold anti-Israel stances due to antisemitism. Therefore, when I hear something relating to Palestine, I try not to think "this person agrees with me" because they might have arrived there by different thoughts. So after reading the article I thought "boy, that sounded a little dog whistle-y." Hence my comment.
I just think that warrants a response like “I agree with her”, not “it’s not inflammatory”. But then we come to your second point:
Thank you for clarifying this. I did not get from your first post that you specifically were referring to Barrera. But now I understand that you spotted something deeper on her comments and wanted to bring that up. I appreciate your follow up.
In another post in ~movies, they give a bit more context to her statement:
Kinda feels like she might be a part of that certain crowd with that context.
Quick edit, I do think that the general sentiment (about the genocide going on) of what she said was good, and I actually like the Scream franchise and her in it, but that insinuation at the end might be what pushed it over. Not sure how to feel about it at the moment, just wanted to provide more context.
I agree that the "deduce for yourself" post sounds a lot more like an antisemitic canard, but the statement from spyglass makes it seem like the primary issue they had was her claim of genocide.
That's a fair take on their part then. I can imagine anyone but specifically Jewish members of the cast and crew feeling uneasy working with her in the future after a line like that.
Ehhhhhh im still on her side unless i read more statements from her. I did not read it as inherently anti-semetic rhetoric but rather a statement about the obvious and well documented meddling/public diplomacy that the israeli state has actively pursued within western media for decades.
It doesn't, from that short quote, indicate to me that she thinks jews control everything and is pushing that kind of message.
Wow, completely removed from a franchise for saying the bare minimum that needs to be said. Cool cool cool.
It should be OK to not have an opinion on one of THE most complicated sociopolitical issues in living memory.
You got it the wrong way. She was fired for speaking, not for being silent.
I think she spoke because she thought she had to have an opinion on the matter.
Being silent wasn't an option for her due to outside pressure.
Why do you think that? The article says she made "dozens" of posts
do you have any evidence for this? perhaps a source of some kind?
any details on who, specifically, was pressuring her?
since you seem to have some sort of insider knowledge about the motivations of celebrities who make public statements, can you identify anyone else who has made a statement due to outside pressure? maybe from one of these open letters:
700 Notable Hollywood figures sign open letter in support of Israel
200+ celebrities sign letter to Biden urging cease-fire in Israel-Hamas War
I don't think it's ever OK not to have an opinion about important global events or politics.
To clarify my inflammatory statement:
It may not tangibly affect your life, but so much evil in this world stems from leveraging the apathy of others or allowing oneself to be misinformed due to convenience. Not everyone has the time, energy, or ability to care about issues beyond their own lives, but I think people who do have a responsibility to stay informed and participate in their own way. Most people treat world events like tv shows, which they can subscribe or check out at their leisure, where caring for or hating our fellow humans is a hobby. It isn't entertainment for the people it directly affects. Our national response, our popular consensus regarding events like the Israel-Hamas conflict has a significant impact on global relations.
John Stuart Mill said “Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.”
This line of reasoning leads people towards a self-righteous attitude that is both obnoxious and not very productive.
Not OP, but I actually have an opinion about this (and many other things), but I won't be bullied into expressing it in the time or circumstances anyone dictates.
I'm pretty sure silence is a right comparable to the right of free speech.
That said, anyone should be free to say whatever they want.
Not that it really matters. I'm not in the US, I am not part of any global power, and this whole thing feels very removed from me.
At any given time, there are thousands of important global events happening. In many cases, most of us won't even know how important they are until after the fact—if we find out at all. Do you really expect 8 billion people to worry themselves into an early grave over thousands of complex matters they cannot influence and that they very likely cannot obtain an objective understanding of? This is a huge thing to ask of people, and I think it is highly likely that it is something you display a high degree of hypocrisy on — and if you don't, it implies something even worse: that you have no sense of humility and form endless mindless opinions on subjects you know essentially nothing about, as if you were an expert of all things, and thereby contribute further to the constant stream of noise and propaganda that makes it hard for humanity to listen to subject-matter experts and actually solve problems.
of course I dont expect us to keep track of all of them, which is why I put the qualifiers about time, energy etc.
The Israel-Hamas conflict is on every news channel, and has thousand-strong protests in major cities. It's definitely one of the things that's more accessible to care about.
The value placed on just having an opinion versus having an informed and appropriately measured opinion is not just inflammatory, it's dangerous.
Not everyone can have an educated and appropriately measured opinion. Not because they're mentally incapable of it, but more likely because of a variety of other factors. It could be because they don't have time. They could be a nurse or a surgeon working through labor shortages with incredibly high overtime hours. It could be because they aren't in the right industries or fields to have access to the most detailed information available or don't have the background to grasp the intricacies of particularly difficult issues. There's many other reasons too, I don't think I need to list them all.
…and sometimes, that opinion is “not my circus, not my monkeys” or, less trollingly, a vague “I hope they can reach peace to minimize casualties” that doesn’t contain any actionable steps for anyone.
As the others pointed out, there are many important causes that do not affect a person, nor does the person have realistic ability to impact the situation. Caring a lot is meaningless without relevant action. “From the river to the sea,” “we should’ve nuked the area to annex their oil in ‘02,” and “why can’t they just not bomb each other?” are all equally inane virtue signals, unless you have the ear of a general or congressman.
There's a difference between being apathetic and not having a firm opinion one is willing to voice out publicly.
I have opinions on the Israel-Palestine -shitshow and have had for a good two decades. But in the end any of it doesn't matter and just brings sadness into my life if I keep thinking about it. People more invested and especially more educated in the matter can have the discussion, including the politician(s) I voted for.
I'm much happier when I focus on the things that affect my life more directly and try to ignore the Weltschmerz of what's going on in the world.
Sorry, but do you seriously have time to be well-informed on every item of these lists? Even if you believe short-term public opinion guarantees meaningfully influence on foreign policy which isn't clear (see Iraq&vietnam war protests), people don't have the mental capacity or time to learn more than a surface level view of a few conflicts.
To copy a reply to someone else:
Wow. They even called it antisemitism and everything. I guess I shouldn’t expect much from the company behind the Scream franchise,
but it is good to hear the actress is speaking up, at least. I appreciate that.Edit: Less so now that I've seen the other dog whistle-looking tweet. Still not happy with Spyglass, though, since it still looks like they consider speaking out against the IDF to be antisemitic.They should be even more aggressive and end the Scream franchise. That is one way to make the world a better place.