I say this as someone who built their entire personality from the ages of 17 to 29 around the MCU, including creating a career in the entertainment industry that lead to working for The Walt...
I say this as someone who built their entire personality from the ages of 17 to 29 around the MCU, including creating a career in the entertainment industry that lead to working for The Walt Disney Company because of it, what the hell is this "teaser"?
It's part one of four different teasers they will be playing in theaters. Focused on different characters, currently they're showing a Teaser focused on Thor. This was serving as an announcement...
It's part one of four different teasers they will be playing in theaters. Focused on different characters, currently they're showing a Teaser focused on Thor.
This was serving as an announcement that Steve Rogers is back (also that he will be the main focus of Doomsday).
The MCU was also instrumental for my love of cinema. Although it was from 8 to 19 and I didn't start a career in the business the way I wanted to. So it's been odd to see the franchise fall off like this.
Yeah I was laid off from Disney during 2020/COVID, I was working directly with people who were instrumental in making and creating things that were inspirational to me and my childhood including...
Yeah I was laid off from Disney during 2020/COVID, I was working directly with people who were instrumental in making and creating things that were inspirational to me and my childhood including with Marvel after they bought them when I was just finishing high school. Not just the movies, but the parks, campaigns, products and marketing and Disney Stores.
Myself and a lot of these people, everyone from VPs to interns, were let go during COVID and didn't come back, at the time being told that we'd have to move to Florida. People who were making things that I was experiencing when I was in diapers.
A lot of the younger and more cut throat business oriented sycophants that worked at Disney who didn't have a political or financial issue moving to Florida of all places stayed and got promoted and rooted within the company. A lot of the traditional collaborative Disney company culture that truly loved their work and the fans died out.
So it doesn't really surprise me with the timing post Endgame with things just becoming chaotic, confusing direction, and tone deaf to the fans across all of Disney's owned properties.
Kevin Feige was already fighting for his life on maintaining cohesion during the original phases, I can't imagine what it was like after those layoffs.
I think there is a world where the MCU continues to churn out great movies with interesting new directions that attracted new fans. The world where that happens seems way less likely than the one...
I think there is a world where the MCU continues to churn out great movies with interesting new directions that attracted new fans. The world where that happens seems way less likely than the one we currently live in though.
The first phase of the MCU was lightning in a bottle. I can't think of any other franchise that had a. such strong movies, b. Such a devoted fan base, and more importantly, c. So much output. The only comparable franchise I can think of is James Bond, but that was 29 films over 60+ years. The MCU has released almost 40 in a third of that time.
It doesn't seem feasible to have it continually to be successful, especially when the studio that owns it is publicly traded and demands bigger and bigger budgets with bigger and bigger returns.
Could it have been done? Maybe. It would have been really, really hard though.
I think a key part of the original run's success was the timing in the history of comic book movies. For a while comic book movies were a bit campy and didn't take themselves too seriously. The...
I think a key part of the original run's success was the timing in the history of comic book movies. For a while comic book movies were a bit campy and didn't take themselves too seriously. The X-Men movies and Nolan's Batman started to change that, so the time was right. People were primed for high quality, dramatic comic book movies using new CG technology where they could truly recreate the comics visuals.
Then Iron Man comes along and scratches the itch, and they're was a sense of "great, now do every comic book character ever". And it was all so colorful compared to DC.
But now, has the broad novelty of bringing comic book characters to film worn off? I've never been a comic book reader but at this point, getting into those seems more appealing than watching hit-or-miss blockbusters with safe plots.
Wow they are panicking that no one gives a shit about their franchise anymore. Trying to bring back actors to make people care is both sad and hilarious in their out of touchness. I'm sure some...
Wow they are panicking that no one gives a shit about their franchise anymore. Trying to bring back actors to make people care is both sad and hilarious in their out of touchness.
I'm sure some people will come back because of RDJ and Chris Evans but I feel a vast majority of people who dgaf about Marvel movies anymore will not change their opinion based on this.
I'll stream it for nostalgia, but I had the same feeling watching this. Maybe if it showed more, or less... But this reads to me as "Steve Rogers will return.... Please watch"
I'll stream it for nostalgia, but I had the same feeling watching this. Maybe if it showed more, or less... But this reads to me as "Steve Rogers will return.... Please watch"
The only MCU film since Endgame that I’ve watched was the new Spiderman. I may have watched this one too, but trying to resurrect stories that are already done just doesn’t vibe with me. The...
The only MCU film since Endgame that I’ve watched was the new Spiderman. I may have watched this one too, but trying to resurrect stories that are already done just doesn’t vibe with me.
The modern capitalist drive for perpetual growth is incredibly toxic to many modern industries, including entertainment. You cannot grow after Endgame; you just can’t. The Avengers’ cultural zeitgeist in the 2010s was unbelievable, and Marvel capitalized on it well with two great capstone films. You have to let that go and focus on something else, even though it’ll be worse in the short term. It appears it will take a lot of loss for them to accept that, though.
I guess because bringing Steve back seems to be either a timeline reboot (set in the past?) or a multiverse. It's also simultaneously a betrayal of the story arc and the most comic book thing ever...
I guess because bringing Steve back seems to be either a timeline reboot (set in the past?) or a multiverse.
It's also simultaneously a betrayal of the story arc and the most comic book thing ever so idk.
Haha, I love what you said there. Yeah, it’s basically just any event comic ever now. Earth shattering consequences that get rebooted/reset/retconned/retooled for the next time there needs to be a...
Haha, I love what you said there. Yeah, it’s basically just any event comic ever now. Earth shattering consequences that get rebooted/reset/retconned/retooled for the next time there needs to be a big event.
At the end of Avengers: Endgame, Steve Rogers leaves Tony Stark's funeral using the Time Stone and returns to the past to live out his life with Peggy Carter (Hayley Atwell). He then shows back up...
At the end of Avengers: Endgame, Steve Rogers leaves Tony Stark's funeral using the Time Stone and returns to the past to live out his life with Peggy Carter (Hayley Atwell). He then shows back up at Stark's funeral 70 years older. No one knows what happened during those intervening 70 years: it's possible that during that time he was called back to the future to help fight Dr. Doom.
It's also possible that the Steve Rogers we see in the clip is not the same one we know from the Avengers movies and is instead a Steve Rogers from the same parallel universe as The Fantastic 4 and Dr. Doom.
There may be leaks somewhere on the internet that confirm which Steve Rogers we'll see but I'd avoid looking into it if you don't want to risk getting spoiled.
Mostly because nothing they've done in this arc has landed with the fans the same way that the original heroes did. Cutting ties with the actor you've spent time building up into the next big...
Mostly because nothing they've done in this arc has landed with the fans the same way that the original heroes did.
Cutting ties with the actor you've spent time building up into the next big villain (Johnathan Majors) didn't help. They didn't have a clear plan to build up Dr. Doom the same way that Thanos got introduced either.
They were doing a poor job setting up Kang anyway. Another issue is that the films that did have positive reception like Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four also didn’t land, and they were made after...
They were doing a poor job setting up Kang anyway.
Another issue is that the films that did have positive reception like Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four also didn’t land, and they were made after they decided to pivot and do quality control
This is going to be the make or break movie for them right? Perhaps it's like the Avatar franchise though. Everyone online saying one thing, but in reality it goes on to earn billions
This is going to be the make or break movie for them right?
Perhaps it's like the Avatar franchise though. Everyone online saying one thing, but in reality it goes on to earn billions
I wouldn’t draw those equivalencies because Avatar plays to the general public as opposed to online people and Marvel and Supes in general play better with the online crowd.
I wouldn’t draw those equivalencies because Avatar plays to the general public as opposed to online people and Marvel and Supes in general play better with the online crowd.
I say this as someone who built their entire personality from the ages of 17 to 29 around the MCU, including creating a career in the entertainment industry that lead to working for The Walt Disney Company because of it, what the hell is this "teaser"?
It's part one of four different teasers they will be playing in theaters. Focused on different characters, currently they're showing a Teaser focused on Thor.
This was serving as an announcement that Steve Rogers is back (also that he will be the main focus of Doomsday).
The MCU was also instrumental for my love of cinema. Although it was from 8 to 19 and I didn't start a career in the business the way I wanted to. So it's been odd to see the franchise fall off like this.
Yeah I was laid off from Disney during 2020/COVID, I was working directly with people who were instrumental in making and creating things that were inspirational to me and my childhood including with Marvel after they bought them when I was just finishing high school. Not just the movies, but the parks, campaigns, products and marketing and Disney Stores.
Myself and a lot of these people, everyone from VPs to interns, were let go during COVID and didn't come back, at the time being told that we'd have to move to Florida. People who were making things that I was experiencing when I was in diapers.
A lot of the younger and more cut throat business oriented sycophants that worked at Disney who didn't have a political or financial issue moving to Florida of all places stayed and got promoted and rooted within the company. A lot of the traditional collaborative Disney company culture that truly loved their work and the fans died out.
So it doesn't really surprise me with the timing post Endgame with things just becoming chaotic, confusing direction, and tone deaf to the fans across all of Disney's owned properties.
Kevin Feige was already fighting for his life on maintaining cohesion during the original phases, I can't imagine what it was like after those layoffs.
I think there is a world where the MCU continues to churn out great movies with interesting new directions that attracted new fans. The world where that happens seems way less likely than the one we currently live in though.
The first phase of the MCU was lightning in a bottle. I can't think of any other franchise that had a. such strong movies, b. Such a devoted fan base, and more importantly, c. So much output. The only comparable franchise I can think of is James Bond, but that was 29 films over 60+ years. The MCU has released almost 40 in a third of that time.
It doesn't seem feasible to have it continually to be successful, especially when the studio that owns it is publicly traded and demands bigger and bigger budgets with bigger and bigger returns.
Could it have been done? Maybe. It would have been really, really hard though.
I think a key part of the original run's success was the timing in the history of comic book movies. For a while comic book movies were a bit campy and didn't take themselves too seriously. The X-Men movies and Nolan's Batman started to change that, so the time was right. People were primed for high quality, dramatic comic book movies using new CG technology where they could truly recreate the comics visuals.
Then Iron Man comes along and scratches the itch, and they're was a sense of "great, now do every comic book character ever". And it was all so colorful compared to DC.
But now, has the broad novelty of bringing comic book characters to film worn off? I've never been a comic book reader but at this point, getting into those seems more appealing than watching hit-or-miss blockbusters with safe plots.
Wow they are panicking that no one gives a shit about their franchise anymore. Trying to bring back actors to make people care is both sad and hilarious in their out of touchness.
I'm sure some people will come back because of RDJ and Chris Evans but I feel a vast majority of people who dgaf about Marvel movies anymore will not change their opinion based on this.
I'll stream it for nostalgia, but I had the same feeling watching this. Maybe if it showed more, or less... But this reads to me as "Steve Rogers will return.... Please watch"
The only MCU film since Endgame that I’ve watched was the new Spiderman. I may have watched this one too, but trying to resurrect stories that are already done just doesn’t vibe with me.
The modern capitalist drive for perpetual growth is incredibly toxic to many modern industries, including entertainment. You cannot grow after Endgame; you just can’t. The Avengers’ cultural zeitgeist in the 2010s was unbelievable, and Marvel capitalized on it well with two great capstone films. You have to let that go and focus on something else, even though it’ll be worse in the short term. It appears it will take a lot of loss for them to accept that, though.
I don't understand, and I don't think they do either. Why are they're going for this as if it were a reboot?
I guess because bringing Steve back seems to be either a timeline reboot (set in the past?) or a multiverse.
It's also simultaneously a betrayal of the story arc and the most comic book thing ever so idk.
Haha, I love what you said there. Yeah, it’s basically just any event comic ever now. Earth shattering consequences that get rebooted/reset/retconned/retooled for the next time there needs to be a big event.
At the end of Avengers: Endgame, Steve Rogers leaves Tony Stark's funeral using the Time Stone and returns to the past to live out his life with Peggy Carter (Hayley Atwell). He then shows back up at Stark's funeral 70 years older. No one knows what happened during those intervening 70 years: it's possible that during that time he was called back to the future to help fight Dr. Doom.
It's also possible that the Steve Rogers we see in the clip is not the same one we know from the Avengers movies and is instead a Steve Rogers from the same parallel universe as The Fantastic 4 and Dr. Doom.
There may be leaks somewhere on the internet that confirm which Steve Rogers we'll see but I'd avoid looking into it if you don't want to risk getting spoiled.
Mostly because nothing they've done in this arc has landed with the fans the same way that the original heroes did.
Cutting ties with the actor you've spent time building up into the next big villain (Johnathan Majors) didn't help. They didn't have a clear plan to build up Dr. Doom the same way that Thanos got introduced either.
They were doing a poor job setting up Kang anyway.
Another issue is that the films that did have positive reception like Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four also didn’t land, and they were made after they decided to pivot and do quality control
This is going to be the make or break movie for them right?
Perhaps it's like the Avatar franchise though. Everyone online saying one thing, but in reality it goes on to earn billions
I wouldn’t draw those equivalencies because Avatar plays to the general public as opposed to online people and Marvel and Supes in general play better with the online crowd.