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Sony lands surprise box office hit with ‘Anyone But You’
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DGA Awards film nominations: Gerwig, Nolan, Scorsese, Lanthimos, and Payne
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SAG Awards nominations: ‘Barbie’, ‘Oppenheimer’ and ‘Succession’ top list
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Golden Globes: ‘Oppenheimer,’ ‘Poor Things’ win Best Picture awards
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‘Past Lives’ wins Best Picture from National Society of Film Critics
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Benny breaks out: The Safdie brother on going solo, making you squirm with ‘The Curse’ and what he learned from Christopher Nolan and PTA
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Blumhouse-Atomic Monster merger now complete
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On the superhero question
The year is over. Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom was released, marking the official end of the DCEU. It goes out with a whimper. Aquaman won't be profitable, but it won't lose as much as The Marvels...
The year is over. Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom was released, marking the official end of the DCEU. It goes out with a whimper. Aquaman won't be profitable, but it won't lose as much as The Marvels of The Flash did this year, which I suppose is some consolation prize.
As I said in my summer of busts post only two superhero movies this year made a profit theatrically. In certain corners of the box office community, there was a belief that The Marvels would beat Spider-Verse, but that never seemed realistic. It even came up short of the most conservative initial predictions for it. It did so poorly that it made The Flash's performance look decent.
So what happened? Last year Superhero movies dominated the box office. Although, Top Gun: Maverick and Avatar: The Way of Water were the top 2 grossing movies. Both domestic and worldwide. But still, all three Marvel films opened to over 100M. Two made over 400M DOM, although, one had poor word of mouth. Even Thor: Love and Thunder, with some horrendous word of mouth, almost grossed 350M DOM. And all three were some of the most profitable blockbusters of the year.
I think 2022 laid the groundwork for what happened this year. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and Thor: Love and Thunder were received poorly among general audiences. I would also say even though Black Panther: Wakanda Forever was well received, its reception was still pretty tepid, especially compared to the first. And people started enjoying blockbusters with a different look and flavor with Top Gun and Avatar, which made audiences reconsider what types of movies they should watch. Something I think falls in between here is The Batman, which, of course, is a superhero movie, but one that has a distinct look and feel. So, I would place that next to the blockbusters that offered something different than the MCU formula audiences had gotten used to consuming.
Going into 2023, audiences were still interested in superhero movies and, specifically, the MCU. Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania opened to over 100M, a franchise high. The poor reception of the film was, apparently, the straw that broke the camel's back for audiences.
This wasn't evident right away since the two superhero movies that were released right after (Guardians 3 and Across the Spider-Verse) were well-received and were some of the biggest hits of the year. Even with a softer opening, Guardians 3 managed to leg out incredibly well to outgross the first installment of the franchise. The post I made directly after Guardians 3 opened was perhaps premature in this regard. But I think the superhero films to come out after Spider-Verse proved that point right. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 and Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse required fantastic word of mouth to be the hits that they were. If they were received as poorly as the 2022 MCU films, they wouldn't have become the hits they are.
This might seem obvious, you need a good movie that audiences like to be a hit at the box office. But, this was not the case in the prime era of superhero movies. In 2016, Suicide Squad was released with poor critical and audience reception. Yet it grossed 325M DOM and 745M WW. That same year X-Men: Apocalypse still managed to make over 500M WW also with poor reception. Venom would make over 800M WW two years later. Even as recently as 2021, the poorly received Eternals (while the pandemic was still ongoing) made over 400M WW which is double The Marvel's gross.
Quantumania was the start of it but The Flash, Blue Beetle, The Marvels, and Aquaman cemented it. This is a dead genre, and it had an explosive death this year. The top three grossing movies this year worldwide are Barbie, The Super Mario Bros Movies, and Oppenheimer. All three are quite different. And I think they show that audiences are ready for something else, and are shopping around. What used to excite audiences in the 2010s simply isn't exciting them anymore. As GenZ becomes the same age Millennials were ten years ago, they're simply not into superhero movies. The demographic for superhero movies will continue to get older as they continue to fall out of fashion. GenZ is finding interest elsewhere as they made Hunger Games and Wonka hits that outgrossed the majority of superhero movies released this year.
So what of the future?
2024 is barren in Superhero movies. There are technically five comic book movies coming out. However, three of those are from the Sonyverse; Madame Web, Kraven the Hunter, and Venom 3. Two of those seem to be guaranteed bombs and I don't think anyone expects Venom 3 to hit the same numbers as the first Venom. The only two major comic book movies to come out in 2024 are Deadpool 3 and Joker Folie à Deux.
Deadpool 3 is going to be heavily connected to the MCU. With all the plot leaks available, it's looking to be a multiverse cameo fest. This seems exactly the wrong time to be doing this type of film. Cameo porn, as coined by James Gunn, is not a guaranteed money maker as The Flash made it evident earlier this year. Mix that in with the fact that Deadpool 2 was released now almost six years ago, when the market was friendlier to superhero movies, and how heavily connected it is to a Disney+ show, I don't believe this is going to right the MCU ship the way Disney is hoping.
Joker Folie à Deux, however, should benefit from not being a typical comic book film the way something like Deadpool 3 is going to be. And the first Joker has had a long shelf life in the minds of audiences. It should be able to rise above the fatigue of the genre to interest audiences in it.
Still, I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with another top 3 without superhero films. Audiences could potentially gravitate towards other blockbusters like The Garfield Movie, Beetlejuice 2, and Dune: Part Two, or some other variation of films, to make those the three highest-grossing films of the year.
As we look even further beyond, we have Captain America 4 (which was originally set to release in 2024 but got delayed due to them doing massive reshoots), Fantastic Four, Thunderbolts, and Blade for the MCU in 2025. I doubt most of these are even gonna come out in 2025 since some of them don't even have completed scripts! From here on out I think the MCU is just too messy to predict. I suppose if something like Thunderbolts is good (which is being rewritten and directed by the duo that did Beef) that could help them start rebuilding their reputation. I'm not sure if there is gonna be any immediate fix available to jump-start the box office for this universe again though. I think it's gonna take some time. And I don't see the Avengers films currently planned to be massive money-makers either. I think it's time for Disney to reconsider their continuity, start over, and move on. They got too big too fast, and it's over.
Luckily for WB, well maybe not so lucky, the DCEU was already a disaster. So they got a headstart on rebooting and starting fresh with Superman: Legacy in 2025 (they should have rebooted after Justice League but Aquaman making a billion gave them false confidence that they could right the ship). Given Gunn's track record, this should be good. It should be well-reviewed, and it should get a strong audience reception. I think it can easily gross the same amount as The Batman given how much it has going for it. There has not been a good Superman movie since the 80s, I think it's about time a Superman movie breaks out with a 21st-century audience.
Also in 2025; The Batman Part II. Much like Joker, The Batman has kept a long shelf life. It resonated with the primary target audience for superhero films, that being white guys 25-35. It's dark and mature in a way that the audience wants these movies to be. People still talk about it and I don't see its relevancy dying down in another year. I think WB struck gold with The Batman, the way they did with Joker, and I think The Batman Part II could be another billion-dollar hit for WB.
It is weird to talk about a genre this way when it was dominant for most of my life. Writing a post-mortem for Superhero movies was not something I expected to do at the beginning of the year. It felt like something that was always going to be culturally dominant. But trends change and Hollywood is in an interesting place right now.
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2023 US box office crossing $9 billion, led by Universal; ‘Wonka’ tops New Year’s weekend with $31m+
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Domestic box office expected to drop by $1 billion in 2024 amid fewer films and waning moviegoer sentiment. But thirty tentpoles provide hope.
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Christmas box office: ‘Aquaman 2’ sinks with $40 million debut
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Warner Bros. Discovery in talks to merge with Paramount Global
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‘Killers Of The Flower Moon’ named Best Film by the National Board of Review
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Mickey Mouse to enter public domain
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Oscar shortlists in ten categories announced
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Jonathan Majors found guilty of assault, harassment
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‘Wonka’ yummy with $39m opening as musicals bounce back at the box office
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‘Poor Things’ is anything but; ‘American Fiction’, ‘The Zone Of Interest’ open well as audiences embrace original fare
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Paramount’s M&A conundrum: How to take apart a puzzle that took decades to complete
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Barbie dominates 2024 Critics Choice Awards film nominations: See the full list
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Dwayne Johnson to play MMA fighter Mark Kerr in A24 movie from Benny Safdie
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Rock Hudson: How a gay truck driver became the biggest star in Hollywood
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Golden Globe nominations: ‘Barbie’, ‘Oppenheimer’ top movie list; ‘Succession’ leads way in TV
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Hayao Miyazaki notches record $12m+ US opening with ‘The Boy And The Heron’
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‘The Zone of Interest’ is Best Picture at Los Angeles Film Critics Association Awards
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Ryan O’Neal dies: ‘Love Story’, ‘Paper Moon’ actor was 82
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‘Godzilla Minus One’ is now top grossing live-action Japanese film in North America after stomping-good opening
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AFI Awards film top ten: ‘Barbie’, ‘Oppenheimer’, ‘Maestro’, ‘Killers Of The Flower Moon’ among org’s best of 2023
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Fallen kingdom: why has Disney had such a terrible year?
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Film Independent Spirit Awards nominations: Best Feature ‘American Fiction’, ‘May December’, ‘All Of Us Strangers’, ‘Passages’, ‘Past Lives’ and ‘We Grown Now’
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'The Marvels' ends box office run as lowest-grossing MCU movie in history
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2024 Golden Globes nominations predictions
Golden Globe noms will be coming out next week. They recently changed a rule that each category now has six nominees instead of five (boo!). These are the only categories listed on Goldderby so...
Golden Globe noms will be coming out next week. They recently changed a rule that each category now has six nominees instead of five (boo!). These are the only categories listed on Goldderby so that's all I'm gonna be predicting (Original Score and Original Song are the two categories not listed). Here's where I think the nominations will land:
Motion Picture - Drama
- Oppenheimer
- Killers of the Flower Moon
- Maestro
- All of Us Strangers
- Anatomy of a Fall
- Past Lives
Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy
- Barbie
- The Holdovers
- Poor Things
- American Fiction
- The Color Purple
- May December
Director
- Christopher Nolan - Oppenheimer
- Martin Scorsese - Killers of the Flower Moon
- Yorgos Lanthimos - Poor Things
- Greta Gerwig - Barbie
- Alexander Payne - The Holdovers
- Bradley Cooper - Maestro
Screenplay
- Barbie
- The Holdovers
- Oppenheimer
- Killers of the Flower Moon
- Poor Things
- American Fiction
Lead Actor - Drama
- Cillian Murphy - Oppenheimer
- Bradley Cooper - Maestro
- Leonardo DiCaprio - Killers of the Flower Moon
- Andrew Scott - All of Us Strangers
- Adam Driver - Ferrari
- Teo Yoo - Past Lives
Lead Actress - Drama
- Lilly Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon
- Cailee Spaeny - Priscilla
- Sandra Huller - Anatomy of a Fall
- Carey Mulligan - Maestro
- Annette Bening - Nyad
- Greta Lee - Past Lives
Lead Actor - Musical or Comedy
- Paul Giamatti - The Holdovers
- Jeffrey Wright - American Fiction
- Timothee Chalamet - Wonka
- Nicolas Cage - Dream Scenario
- Matt Damon - Air
- Peter Dinklage - She Came To Me
Lead Actress - Musical or Comedy
- Margot Robbie - Barbie
- Emma Stone - Poor Things
- Fantasia Barrino - The Color Purple
- Natalie Portman - May December
- Julia Louis Dreyfus - You Hurt My Feelings
- Jennifer Lawrence - No Hard Feelings
Supporting Actor - Any Motion Picture:
- Robert Downey Jr. - Oppenheimer
- Ryan Gosling - Barbie
- Mark Ruffalo - Poor Things
- Robert DeNiro - Killers of the Flower Moon
- Charles Melton - May December
- Dominic Sessa - The Holdovers
Supporting Actress:
- D'avine Joy Randolph - The Holdovers
- Emily Blunt - Oppenheimer
- Julianne Moore - May December
- Danielle Brooks - The Color Purple
- Penelope Cruz - Ferrari
- America Ferrera - Barbie
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New York Film Critics Circle names ‘Killers Of The Flower Moon’ Best Film; Christopher Nolan Best Director
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Two documentaries about Twin Flames Universe. Is the Michigan based group a new cult?
Prime has the documentary "Desperately Seeking Soulmate: Escaping Twin Flames Universe" while Netflix is running "Escaping Twin Flames" which were produced by different investigative reporters but...
Prime has the documentary "Desperately Seeking Soulmate: Escaping Twin Flames Universe" while Netflix is running "Escaping Twin Flames" which were produced by different investigative reporters but take a similar approach to exposing this new group. Both rely on the testimony of ex members of the group to expose the founders power and control and how things changed when the group wasn't working out as they planned.
Apparently the group has a strong presence on facebook and there is also an entire reddit sub for its adherents.
I watched both of these multi part documentaries and was fascinated by the origin and rise of this group. The founders, Jeff and Megan (who now goes by Shaleia) are preying on the desperation of mostly female followers who are desperately seeking their 'one and only true love', their "twin flame". Using a technique of turning all hurts and pains inward the pair asserts they will help heal people who will practice their 'mirroring' technique.
But it starts to get really strange. Shaleia appears to be the one who started with the 'spiritual' aspect of the enterprise and Jeff appears to be the one with a fervent entrepreneurial bent who has turned it into a money making proposition.
They were living in a run down apartment when they began, but now a few years later, have bought a large home with a lake view in Michigan, with Jeff boasting about his Corvette and Porsche in the driveway. Even stranger, they have people living and working in their house to keep their enterprise running. There are shades of other religious communities with a strong 'messianic' leader that have started this way with Waco being mentioned in the documentary. Jeff even suggests, very strongly, that he may be the Christ.
The adherents pay for private or group facetime sessions with Jeff and Shaleia and are encouraged to take their video courses, which can be anywhere from $100 to $8,888. And those who have taken on the role of being life coaches under them are also encouraged to find more life coaches - it seems to be a combination of multi level marketing, religion and some kind of mass delusional 'teaching' to desperate and gullible people.
Jeff and Shaleia encourage people in their group to cut off relationships with anyone who is not supportive of Twin Flames, a sure sign of a cult, and there are several testimonials from hurting parents who are desperate to be back in touch with their children.
And in probably the strangest twist, when very few people were finding their "twin flame" to be responding, Jeff proclaimed that their twin flame already was part of the group - but since most of the group were women, he insisted that several of the women pair up and that one of them was now a "divine male", to the point of asking some to change their clothes, hair and go by a new male name.
It's all quite fascinating, and I couldn't believe that in an age where information on cults and cult activity is so easy to find, that so many people would be sucked into Twin Flames Universe and not see the control and manipulation going on in their lives.
Both are well worth watching but if you only have time for one, I'd recommend Prime's documentary - seems to be a bit more professionally produced.
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Sebastian Stan to play a young Donald Trump in Ali Abbasi film 'The Apprentice'; Jeremy Strong and Maria Bakalova also cast
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2023 Gotham Awards: ‘Past Lives’ wins Best Feature
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‘Songbirds & Snakes’ reigns supreme over Thanksgiving stretch with $42m five-day; ‘Napoleon’ steps on Disney’s ‘Wish’ with $32m+
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Tom Hardy, Austin Butler and Jodie Comer New Regency pic ‘The Bikeriders’ zooms over to Focus Features
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‘Star Wars’ vet Dave Filoni named Lucasfilm chief creative officer
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‘The Hunger Games: Ballad Of Songbirds & Snakes’ chirps $44m opening: Enough to reignite franchise?; ‘Marvels’ suffers worst MCU 2nd weekend drop
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‘The Marvels’ meltdown: Disney MCU posts lowest box office opening ever at $47m — what went wrong
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Disney’s box office problems ramp up pressure on CEO Bob Iger and studio chief Alan Bergman
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How David Zaslav blew up Hollywood
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Jimmy Kimmel to host 2024 Oscars ceremony
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Special Ops bomb technician rates eleven bomb disposal scenes in movies and TV | How real is it?
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Warners reverses course in ‘Coyote vs. Acme’ fight
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Warner Bros. shelves John Cena’s ‘Coyote vs. Acme’ movie a year after it completed filming
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Elon Musk biopic in the works at A24, Darren Aronofsky to direct
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‘Deadpool 3’ moves to July 2024, ‘Captain America: Brave New World’ to 2025 due to actors strike
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