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Jeff Bezos' revamp of 'Washington Post' opinions leads editor to quit

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  1. [28]
    DefinitelyNotAFae
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    This was my line. I held on after last fall but this crossed a line. WaPo no longer lets you fill in a text box if you select other when you cancel. I'm sure it's a coincidence.

    This was my line. I held on after last fall but this crossed a line. WaPo no longer lets you fill in a text box if you select other when you cancel. I'm sure it's a coincidence.

    36 votes
    1. [18]
      Greg
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      Can recommend The Guardian if you’re looking for an alternative - UK based but good global coverage, and one of the few where I’m still reasonably confident about the journalistic integrity. I...

      Can recommend The Guardian if you’re looking for an alternative - UK based but good global coverage, and one of the few where I’m still reasonably confident about the journalistic integrity. I don’t actually even read that much of their content, but they’re the one news outlet I pay for anyway because I actively want their work to continue.

      [Edit] Or not. See below.

      14 votes
      1. [17]
        sparksbet
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        The Guardian is usually good... unless it's talking about trans people, at which point it becomes extremely bad. Iirc journalists for the Guardian US even published an open letter about how...

        The Guardian is usually good... unless it's talking about trans people, at which point it becomes extremely bad. Iirc journalists for the Guardian US even published an open letter about how transphobic the Guardian UK had gotten a few years back. I've had to block the Guardian from my Google News feed because, since I'm trans, it tries to show me articles about trans rights and issues, and the Guardian's articles on that topic were pretty consistently transphobic dreck.

        I think their coverage of many other issues is still quite good, so I wouldn't necessarily say it's a bad recommendation despite this! But it's something one should very much be aware of before reading the Guardian's articles about anything trans-related.

        25 votes
        1. [13]
          DefinitelyNotAFae
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          This is my barrier towards the Guardian as well. I'm not sure what I want to do with my money at the moment. I'm still an NPR supporter but idk where else I'll go

          This is my barrier towards the Guardian as well. I'm not sure what I want to do with my money at the moment. I'm still an NPR supporter but idk where else I'll go

          13 votes
          1. [6]
            kingofsnake
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            The Atlantic had excellent articles that contextualize current affairs. Not daily news, but this Canadian likes it.

            The Atlantic had excellent articles that contextualize current affairs. Not daily news, but this Canadian likes it.

            8 votes
            1. [5]
              DefinitelyNotAFae
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              I have a lot of criticisms of them but they're fairly nuanced - short version is I think their opinion takes are often bad, but I don't get to see their news stories due to the paywall. So I'm...

              I have a lot of criticisms of them but they're fairly nuanced - short version is I think their opinion takes are often bad, but I don't get to see their news stories due to the paywall. So I'm definitely seeing the worst takes shared IMO.

              8 votes
              1. [2]
                kingofsnake
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                I find that they approach and entertain all angles with their takes, so I understand your position.

                I find that they approach and entertain all angles with their takes, so I understand your position.

                5 votes
                1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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                  I just can't speak to their "good" takes so I can't judge them. I admit what I'm seeing is definitely influenced by selection bias.

                  I just can't speak to their "good" takes so I can't judge them. I admit what I'm seeing is definitely influenced by selection bias.

                  5 votes
              2. [2]
                teaearlgraycold
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                They’re one of the few I pay for (on and off though). They’ve had some really good articles over the years. Long ones, 20-30k words. I think it’s a healthier way to consume news. Less frequently...

                They’re one of the few I pay for (on and off though). They’ve had some really good articles over the years. Long ones, 20-30k words. I think it’s a healthier way to consume news. Less frequently but with higher fidelity.

                An institution may have issues, but if enough of their writers are still doing great work I can find value in subscribing. That’s assuming I can easily filter out the good from the bad.

                3 votes
                1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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                  Yeah I respect it, it's a case of getting just the biased sample, and not really having an inclination to dig at it.

                  Yeah I respect it, it's a case of getting just the biased sample, and not really having an inclination to dig at it.

          2. [3]
            vord
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            https://www.404media.co/ has been an excellent tech-focused news site. Lefty youtube has been advertising https://ground.news/, which seems interesting.

            https://www.404media.co/ has been an excellent tech-focused news site.

            Lefty youtube has been advertising https://ground.news/, which seems interesting.

            8 votes
            1. [2]
              l_one
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              Potentially seconding Ground News - and yes I've also heard of them through YouTube. If they live up to their claims, then it sounds like a good service. I will add that many of the people I've...

              Potentially seconding Ground News - and yes I've also heard of them through YouTube. If they live up to their claims, then it sounds like a good service.

              I will add that many of the people I've watched who take their sponsorship and advertise for them are voices I've come to trust, like Perun.

              4 votes
              1. smiles134
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                I've used Ground News for a couple years. I recommend it to all my friends. It gives me push alerts on big topics, and I can scroll through various left and right (and center) leaning news sources...

                I've used Ground News for a couple years. I recommend it to all my friends. It gives me push alerts on big topics, and I can scroll through various left and right (and center) leaning news sources to read from different POVs. There's also a daily (or weekly, don't recall) email on blindspots -- showing which topics were barely covered on either side of the political spectrum.

                You can tailor your interests and I believe set preferred news sources, but that may be a premium feature. I haven't touched many settings because I'm just using the free version.

                edit: tagging @vord too re: Ground News

                2 votes
          3. Minori
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            Financial Times is pretty good with much more factual, data-driven reporting than most newspapers nowadays (I'm still upset about what the NYT did with the Upshot). AP News is a bit better than...

            Financial Times is pretty good with much more factual, data-driven reporting than most newspapers nowadays (I'm still upset about what the NYT did with the Upshot).

            AP News is a bit better than Reuters for that type of reporting. It's similar to Propublica, but it has a lot more general reporting.

            2 votes
          4. [2]
            kari
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            Texas Observer is pretty good, though mostly Texas-focused, of course.

            Texas Observer is pretty good, though mostly Texas-focused, of course.

        2. [3]
          Greg
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          Ah shit, I wasn't aware of that. I'm really sorry to hear they've taken such a harmful stance, and I wouldn't have suggested them if I'd known. So... does anyone know of a decent, ethical source...

          Ah shit, I wasn't aware of that. I'm really sorry to hear they've taken such a harmful stance, and I wouldn't have suggested them if I'd known.

          So... does anyone know of a decent, ethical source of actual investigative reporting that also isn't spreading transphobia? Because that'd be who I'd far prefer to support!

          10 votes
          1. [2]
            DefinitelyNotAFae
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            Especially for investigative reporting, I'd say propublica! I have not seen the kind of anti-trans bias from them as I have from the NYT or the Guardian. But they're less of a daily news org. I do...

            Especially for investigative reporting, I'd say propublica!
            I have not seen the kind of anti-trans bias from them as I have from the NYT or the Guardian. But they're less of a daily news org.

            I do also support NPR, they are more prone to both sidesing than I'd like but, especially curating my feed with local shows and more in depth programs from other stations I can find both news coverage and in depth reporting.

            Today I was able to hear from a man who'd been detained in Guantanamo by ICE describing mistreatment and abuse from guards because they're literally being held in prison. And that was just Morning Edition.

            11 votes
            1. Greg
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              Propublica is a really good shout, actually - I come across their work a decent amount, but for whatever reason they still weren’t a name that immediately sprung to mind.

              Propublica is a really good shout, actually - I come across their work a decent amount, but for whatever reason they still weren’t a name that immediately sprung to mind.

              8 votes
    2. [3]
      Raspcoffee
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      "It is inconvenient for our investors if our cancellation charts give an overview that does not benefit upper class interests."

      "It is inconvenient for our investors if our cancellation charts give an overview that does not benefit upper class interests."

      10 votes
      1. [2]
        donn
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        They don't have investors, just an oligarch owner who knew would this happen and didn't care. Using the ethos of the Washington Post to spew quasi-libertarian tripe seems to have been the plan all...

        They don't have investors, just an oligarch owner who knew would this happen and didn't care. Using the ethos of the Washington Post to spew quasi-libertarian tripe seems to have been the plan all along.

        13 votes
        1. tanglisha
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          He can afford to lose money on it for a very long time.

          He can afford to lose money on it for a very long time.

          3 votes
    3. l_one
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      The systematic murder of our free press institutions is, likewise, not a coincidence. Authoritarian regimes always have a need to eliminate education and the free press.

      The systematic murder of our free press institutions is, likewise, not a coincidence.

      Authoritarian regimes always have a need to eliminate education and the free press.

      8 votes
    4. [2]
      unkz
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      “Concerns about Washington Post content” sounded like the right option.

      “Concerns about Washington Post content” sounded like the right option.

      4 votes
    5. [3]
      phoenixrises
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      I've only recently heard of them but I've been hearing that Meidas Touch (https://meidasnews.com/) has been getting really popular, not too sure why but the general pitch I've heard was that...

      I've only recently heard of them but I've been hearing that Meidas Touch (https://meidasnews.com/) has been getting really popular, not too sure why but the general pitch I've heard was that they're a pro democracy independent news site? I don't know too much about them tbh but figured I'd throw it out there

      1 vote
      1. [2]
        DefinitelyNotAFae
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        a Media Bias Fact Check Can't say how accurate the fact check is though, but I checked a couple and it seemed consistent

        a Media Bias Fact Check

        Can't say how accurate the fact check is though, but I checked a couple and it seemed consistent

        3 votes
        1. phoenixrises
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          Good to know! I was gonna try their podcast but maybe I wont lol

          Good to know! I was gonna try their podcast but maybe I wont lol

          1 vote
  2. psi
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    From the article: An analysis from The Atlantic:

    From the article:

    The Washington Post's billionaire owner, Jeff Bezos, announced a sweeping new libertarian vision for the paper's opinion sections on Wednesday, just four months after his decision to kill a presidential endorsement of Kamala Harris triggered hundreds of thousands of subscribers to cancel.

    Post Opinions Editor David Shipley, whom Bezos recruited from Bloomberg Opinions in 2022, chose to resign rather than stay to oversee the paper's revamped sections.

    "We are going to be writing every day in support and defense of two pillars: personal liberties and free markets," Bezos wrote in a memo to staffers announcing the changes. "We'll cover other topics too of course, but viewpoints opposing those pillars will be left to be published by others."

    An analysis from The Atlantic:

    A few months ago, Bezos was confident that the Post had to differentiate itself from the swarm of misleading online content by being staunchly independent of any ideological agenda. “Now more than ever the world needs a credible, trusted, independent voice,” he wrote in October. But today, the existence of all that internet muck is positioned as a perfect excuse to abandon any desire for a broad-based opinion section. “There was a time when a newspaper, especially one that was a local monopoly, might have seen it as a service to bring to the reader’s doorstep … a broad-based opinion section that sought to cover all views. Today, the internet does that job,” he wrote this morning.

    So, to recap: A newspaper can’t be seen as taking a side. Until it’s essential that it be seen as taking a side. Bezos would never use his own ideological beliefs to restrict the Post’s work. Until he decides that he must use his own ideological beliefs to restrict the Post’s work.

    21 votes
  3. [2]
    mycketforvirrad
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    For any of you that might be interested, you can always filter out Washington Post content from your Tildes feeds by adding source.the washington post to your tag filters.

    For any of you that might be interested, you can always filter out Washington Post content from your Tildes feeds by adding source.the washington post to your tag filters.

    9 votes
    1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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      Not the solution for me. Sometimes they'll still probably have the news coverage that I'm looking for. It's not the same as Twitter. They just don't get my cash or my ad impressions.

      Not the solution for me. Sometimes they'll still probably have the news coverage that I'm looking for. It's not the same as Twitter. They just don't get my cash or my ad impressions.

      13 votes
  4. [4]
    skybrian
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    I’ve been reading the Washington Post for years and share news articles frequently here, but have mostly not found the opinions section worth reading or sharing. I think it’s structural - op-ed...

    I’ve been reading the Washington Post for years and share news articles frequently here, but have mostly not found the opinions section worth reading or sharing.

    I think it’s structural - op-ed articles are a relic from print news. They’re too short compared to an in-depth blog post, not having room to share much about the evidence backing up an opinion. (Example: putting a paragraph-sized quote in an op-ed isn’t really done.)

    Opinions can be found anywhere, so it’s mostly the evidence that makes such articles interesting for me; an opinion is basically a hook to make the reader care about the evidence, and if the evidence is interesting, I often like articles where I disagree with the conclusions.

    So, I’m not sure this shift directly affects me, but it’s an unwelcome sign of the times.

    At least it sounds like Bezos is interested in pro-business conservative views, not Trumpism, so I expect something more like the Economist or other business magazines.

    8 votes
    1. [3]
      Phynman
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      I agree, some of their conservative opinions are truly wild. I think it is disconcerting, but I also hate that the journalism will suffer because of this. They do a lot of good reporting.

      I agree, some of their conservative opinions are truly wild.

      I think it is disconcerting, but I also hate that the journalism will suffer because of this. They do a lot of good reporting.

      4 votes
      1. skybrian
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        Well, I hope it won't. Opinion columnists and reporters are different people, so it doesn't seem like they're necessarily connected.

        Well, I hope it won't. Opinion columnists and reporters are different people, so it doesn't seem like they're necessarily connected.

        3 votes
      2. Phynman
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        Same, I worry that this will cause people to quit the post which cause a drop in readership then more cuts etc

        Same, I worry that this will cause people to quit the post which cause a drop in readership then more cuts etc

        3 votes