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The Donald Trump administration wants to create a ‘US Office of Remigration’

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  1. [14]
    aphoenix
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    They don't bury the lede either: I am having trouble understanding anyone who even slightly supports this administration. They are moustache-twirlingly evil, and they aren't hiding their...

    They don't bury the lede either:

    As part of a sweeping reorganization of the State Department, the Trump administration is creating an Office of Remigration. Remigration is an immigration policy embraced by extremists that calls for the removal of all migrants—including “non-assimilated” citizens—with the goal of creating white ethnostates in Western countries.

    The details of the plan are contained in a 136-page notification document sent by the State Department to six Congressional commitees—including the House Foreign Affairs and Appropriations Committees and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee—for approval by July 1, according to a copy reviewed by WIRED.

    I am having trouble understanding anyone who even slightly supports this administration. They are moustache-twirlingly evil, and they aren't hiding their moustaches or their evil cackles. They publish them and revel in them. They are also not particularly smart or good at doing the clandestine parts secretly, see Hegseth et al. with their stupidity on Signal.

    I don't know what's worse, the fact that they are both comically evil and moronically incompetent, or that people voted for evil and stupid.

    As a side note, where do they think they're going to send all the white people? They sure as shit aren't originally from the USA.

    46 votes
    1. [3]
      l_one
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      That was (in part) unfortunately... not terribly complicated. A large part of it was the duality of: To the masses: are you frustrated and angry at all the things that are bad and wrong in or in...

      I don't know what's worse, the fact that they are both comically evil and moronically incompetent, or that people voted for evil and stupid.

      That was (in part) unfortunately... not terribly complicated. A large part of it was the duality of:

      To the masses: are you frustrated and angry at all the things that are bad and wrong in or in any way related to government? Elect me and I will cruelly punish all the people you hate. Don't get too hung up on specifics - if you hate them, I'll hurt them, so elect me.

      To the wealthy: do you want to get rid of all those pesky regulations that stand in the way of making more profit just because the peasants whine about working conditions or get waaaaay to bent out of shape over just a handful of unimportant accidental deaths at the workplace? Fork over the money to get me elected, and I'll make sure nothing gets in your way of doing what you should be doing: collecting all the wealth, property, and privilege and making sure no one else can have it so everyone knows how above the law you are. As it should be.

      That's how I see it anyway. It is, of course, more nuanced than this. There are many more affecting factors and power bases at play, but the above two points are, in my view, major strategies that resulted in trump getting elected.

      17 votes
      1. daychilde
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        Decades of propaganda Media owned by oligarchs Politics corrupted by oligarchs A nice touch of Russian interference Republicans do not live in the same world as the rest of us that are...
        • Decades of propaganda
        • Media owned by oligarchs
        • Politics corrupted by oligarchs
        • A nice touch of Russian interference

        Republicans do not live in the same world as the rest of us that are reality-based. We may disagree with each other, but we can discuss facts. They cannot.

        25 votes
      2. Drewbahr
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        Don't discount plain old racism.

        Don't discount plain old racism.

        11 votes
    2. [3]
      Drewbahr
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      It should not be a surprise that this country, founded with racism in its roots, creates deeply racist people.

      It should not be a surprise that this country, founded with racism in its roots, creates deeply racist people.

      12 votes
      1. [2]
        rosco
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        Eh, my best friend's father in law is half black and I had the chance to ask him about why he supports trump. I think it mostly has to do with brainwashing from media and his time in the military....

        Eh, my best friend's father in law is half black and I had the chance to ask him about why he supports trump. I think it mostly has to do with brainwashing from media and his time in the military. When we'd ask about things like this most of the reaction was "I think they go overboard with things but that will all come out in the wash" or "well, I'm sure there will be some negative things but what change happens without some amount of sacrifice". I think this particular category would lead him to say "I don't believe that is actually in the bill, they just want to get illegals out of here."

        There is a lot of cognitive dissonance involved. I like the guy - he's kind, thoughtful, a complete nature lover - but boy is it hard to square with his politics. He doesn't believe in climate change and defended Trump's stripping of environmental regulations, meanwhile his daughter studied climate change (PhD in biology and planetary health) and now works for the University of Maine collaborating with fishers to set regulations. It's pretty wild that when her job was threatened he pretty much threw up his hands and said "well, maybe that wasn't the wisest choice of profession".

        26 votes
        1. Raspcoffee
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          Honestly the disconnect with reality that we see among the rising far right is what disturbs me the most. Not only can that be used to justify anything, how on earth are we even supposed to deal...

          Honestly the disconnect with reality that we see among the rising far right is what disturbs me the most. Not only can that be used to justify anything, how on earth are we even supposed to deal with it when people aren't living in the same cognitive world?

          Like, how bad does it need to get before we can get the chance of showing them that shit is really, really bad?

          13 votes
    3. boxer_dogs_dance
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      These guys unironically admire people like Julius Caesar, William the conqueror and Sir Francis Drake.

      These guys unironically admire people like Julius Caesar, William the conqueror and Sir Francis Drake.

      7 votes
    4. [5]
      papasquat
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      That's what immediately stood out to me about this idea. Say what you will about European far right racists, but they at least have the luxury of a logically consistent argument. It seems like...

      As a side note, where do they think they're going to send all the white people? They sure as shit aren't originally from the USA.

      That's what immediately stood out to me about this idea. Say what you will about European far right racists, but they at least have the luxury of a logically consistent argument.

      It seems like white supremicists in the US consistently forget that they're not native to the land, and if they want black people to go back to Africa, East Asians to go back to East Asia, Indians to go back to India and so on because they "don't belong here", where does that leave them?

      7 votes
      1. [2]
        Sodliddesu
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        The honest truth is, in their minds, the land has been taken and no takesees backsees. White people get America because they killed the natives and took it. Hence why they're worried about "the...

        The honest truth is, in their minds, the land has been taken and no takesees backsees. White people get America because they killed the natives and took it. Hence why they're worried about "the other" taking it. Because once they take it, it's legally and historically "theirs" and that's not fair or "just".

        10 votes
      2. Greg
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        Unfortunately I think the real answer is that if anyone involved were concerned about logical consistency, we wouldn't be in this mess to start with.

        Unfortunately I think the real answer is that if anyone involved were concerned about logical consistency, we wouldn't be in this mess to start with.

        6 votes
      3. DefinitelyNotAFae
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        Manifest Destiny There's simply no other argument than that facts don't matter and the narrow view of history they have is that whether by Providence or genetic superiority, "they" conquered this...

        Manifest Destiny

        There's simply no other argument than that facts don't matter and the narrow view of history they have is that whether by Providence or genetic superiority, "they" conquered this land and it's theirs

        2 votes
    5. jredd23
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      In addition to that, the apparent appeal that this excrement has in Europe. Not sure how high of a fan base it has but it points to a bigger issue;

      In addition to that, the apparent appeal that this excrement has in Europe. Not sure how high of a fan base it has but it points to a bigger issue;

      “There is an increased desire to ally with American actors, as it's clear that the European far right is looking to Trump and the United States for inspiration and as proof that remigration is possible,” Via says. “We’re seeing more cooperation and collaboration transnationally, which will only grow, and American extremists will likely have a hand in shaping migration policy transnationally.”

      2 votes
  2. vord
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    Journalistic integrity note: I really appreciate this from Wired. Let's look at the corresponding garbage from Reuters which I was checking since they were listed in Wired as another source: Well,...
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    Journalistic integrity note:

    I really appreciate this from Wired. Let's look at the corresponding garbage from Reuters which I was checking since they were listed in Wired as another source:

    State Dept overhaul will cut thousands of jobs, push 'Western values'

    Well, that's an underwhelming title.
    Maybe the first paragraph will be better.

    The Trump administration on Thursday formally notified Congress of its plans for a major overhaul of the State Department, which will cut thousands of jobs, refocus the agency's human rights bureau on "Western values" and reorient the refugee bureau toward returning migrants to their countries of origin.

    What in the actual fuck is this wording. There isn't any actual context for what this "return migrants" is anywhere in the article.

    Welcome to the lie of neutrality.

    17 votes
  3. daychilde
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    Not like the welcoming torch of fading fame, With arms once open wide to every land; Here at our guarded, razor-wired gates shall stand A mighty ICE agent, clipboard in hand, His cold decree the...

    Not like the welcoming torch of fading fame,
    With arms once open wide to every land;
    Here at our guarded, razor-wired gates shall stand
    A mighty ICE agent, clipboard in hand,
    His cold decree the lightning of the state,
    And his title: Dealer of Fear and Fate.
    From his grip now drips no welcome — just command,
    As drones patrol the skies where hope once came.

    “Keep your tired, your poor,” he barks with glee,
    “Your huddled masses? We’ve no need for those.
    The wretched refuse, the ones who dare to flee?
    We’ll cage their kids and freeze them to the bone.
    Send back the tempest-tossed — we’re no longer free
    We’ve locked the door and thrown away the key!”

    18 votes
  4. [2]
    gryfft
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    inb4 thousands and thousands and thousands of words of apologism

    inb4 thousands and thousands and thousands of words of apologism

    5 votes
    1. vord
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      Thankfully not here.

      Thankfully not here.

      5 votes