I don't think these are going to stop any shootings from happening, but feel confident that they can stop a shooter in a gun fight. My larger concern is that these types of drones are probably...
I don't think these are going to stop any shootings from happening, but feel confident that they can stop a shooter in a gun fight.
My larger concern is that these types of drones are probably going to see significantly more action in quelling non violent protests in our future.
I'd rather consider adding social welfare, money for education, labor rights etc. instead of drones. But I'm not a billionaire so I can only write stupid things on the internet.
I'd rather consider adding social welfare, money for education, labor rights etc. instead of drones. But I'm not a billionaire so I can only write stupid things on the internet.
I feel like half of the shooter stories I hear about there is someone quoted saying they knew the shooter was troubled. Why aren’t we doing more at that stage?
I feel like half of the shooter stories I hear about there is someone quoted saying they knew the shooter was troubled. Why aren’t we doing more at that stage?
Because a) people still don't take men's mental health seriously, in that they do very little to encourage men to actually seek out mental health support, b) we can't force adults into treatment...
Because a) people still don't take men's mental health seriously, in that they do very little to encourage men to actually seek out mental health support, b) we can't force adults into treatment without the specific threat, c) because people are putting pieces together after the fact, and probably didn't think they were actually going to shoot anyone, and d) a culture of "mind your own business"
I'm not a fan of security through obscurity but if it gets used a bunch outside of shootings then shooters will learn how to counteract them. Pepper spray sucks but I've heard you can kind of...
but feel confident that they can stop a shooter in a gun fight.
more action in quelling non violent protests in our future
I'm not a fan of security through obscurity but if it gets used a bunch outside of shootings then shooters will learn how to counteract them.
Pepper spray sucks but I've heard you can kind of learn to fight it, either at least long enough to get a mask on or some people will learn to just power through it. It will be most effective on someone who's never been hit with it before because they'll have very little understanding of what's going on and how to deal with it.
If you understand the tactics the drones will use you can anticipate them. If you've heard them before you'll recognize them quicker. If you know where they deploy from you could plan for that, potentially disable them, or a minimum known where they'll come from.
Any use of them will introduce wear and tear, necessitate a reload of expended "munitions" (I guess), and may then require a recharge before being used again. A shooter could observe what the refurb/reload/recharge situation looks like and exploit that after the next disturbance or potentially engineer a protest or other disturbance. Maybe that last point would be extremely abnormal for the kind of person who usually does a shooting but I wouldn't rule it out.
A shooter could also use any event these drones are deployed to test countermeasures. Actually, any use on other shooters may be brought up in media and allow them to glean info on how they operate.
If my child's school started abusing drones I would probably talk to them about countermeasures or at a minimum how to handle being pepper sprayed.
TL;DR: each use of these makes them less effective.
On a seperate train of thought. How are they really going to have remote operaters operate these things reliably? Especially if one strategy is to ram a shooter at 60mph. They'll have to be using AI or some level of automation to do what they want to do.
At least nine schools — three in Florida, five in Georgia and one in Colorado — will have storage boxes that house the plastic, nonlethal aircraft made by Austin-based Mithril Defense. The drones, which can be activated by teachers, are capable of reaching a shooter within 15 seconds.
The aircraft are designed to distract their targets by flashing strobes, blaring sirens, spraying them with pepper gel, or ramming into them at 60 mph.
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The programs continue a wave of spending on high-tech security on campuses — a multibillion dollar industry fueled by threat of school shootings. Nearly 400,000 students have experienced gun violence at school since the 1999 attack at Columbine High School in Colorado, according to a Washington Post tracker, which has recorded 435 shootings over that period.
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Teachers will have an app or classroom panic buttons to summon the drones. Mithril Defense’s professional drone pilots can then fly them remotely.
The drones have been tested in simulations but never by a shooting.
Anything except solve the problem huh. Hey it'll probably work to prevent some deaths and possibly deescalate the situation without subjecting a troubled kid to a lethal shootout with a...
Anything except solve the problem huh.
Hey it'll probably work to prevent some deaths and possibly deescalate the situation without subjecting a troubled kid to a lethal shootout with a trigger-happy cop, but the entire thing seems so alien to my non US eyes.
Ostensibly you have the drone pilots beholden to Mithril Armor that may not respond unless it's an active shooter. We don't know how it'll work in practice until it does, but let's say they're...
Ostensibly you have the drone pilots beholden to Mithril Armor that may not respond unless it's an active shooter. We don't know how it'll work in practice until it does, but let's say they're true to their word then perhaps it's a good thing there's a non-lethal response option to an active shooter.
So from my limited view this seems like a financial win for drone companies, it adds more defensive measures to school to a degree that I'm willing to argue US kids these days are entering...
So from my limited view this seems like a financial win for drone companies, it adds more defensive measures to school to a degree that I'm willing to argue US kids these days are entering military bunkers to get any form of education. Although sadly the level of education is dwindling more and more as US policy makers seems to be more interested in banning anything that might give people the idea anything else but the American dream is a possibility rather than giving people the means to think freely for themselves.
I agree with @DefinitelyNotAFae here that the cause is hardly addressed and people like flashy solutions more than the dealing with the human aspect. You know, putting an arm around someone who's in distress about bigger subjects and hearing them out without prejudice. (Which costs a lot less than a drone system on every campus).
I don't think these are going to stop any shootings from happening, but feel confident that they can stop a shooter in a gun fight.
My larger concern is that these types of drones are probably going to see significantly more action in quelling non violent protests in our future.
I'd rather consider adding social welfare, money for education, labor rights etc. instead of drones. But I'm not a billionaire so I can only write stupid things on the internet.
I feel like half of the shooter stories I hear about there is someone quoted saying they knew the shooter was troubled. Why aren’t we doing more at that stage?
Because a) people still don't take men's mental health seriously, in that they do very little to encourage men to actually seek out mental health support, b) we can't force adults into treatment without the specific threat, c) because people are putting pieces together after the fact, and probably didn't think they were actually going to shoot anyone, and d) a culture of "mind your own business"
I'm not a fan of security through obscurity but if it gets used a bunch outside of shootings then shooters will learn how to counteract them.
Pepper spray sucks but I've heard you can kind of learn to fight it, either at least long enough to get a mask on or some people will learn to just power through it. It will be most effective on someone who's never been hit with it before because they'll have very little understanding of what's going on and how to deal with it.
If you understand the tactics the drones will use you can anticipate them. If you've heard them before you'll recognize them quicker. If you know where they deploy from you could plan for that, potentially disable them, or a minimum known where they'll come from.
Any use of them will introduce wear and tear, necessitate a reload of expended "munitions" (I guess), and may then require a recharge before being used again. A shooter could observe what the refurb/reload/recharge situation looks like and exploit that after the next disturbance or potentially engineer a protest or other disturbance. Maybe that last point would be extremely abnormal for the kind of person who usually does a shooting but I wouldn't rule it out.
A shooter could also use any event these drones are deployed to test countermeasures. Actually, any use on other shooters may be brought up in media and allow them to glean info on how they operate.
If my child's school started abusing drones I would probably talk to them about countermeasures or at a minimum how to handle being pepper sprayed.
TL;DR: each use of these makes them less effective.
On a seperate train of thought. How are they really going to have remote operaters operate these things reliably? Especially if one strategy is to ram a shooter at 60mph. They'll have to be using AI or some level of automation to do what they want to do.
If I could send a headline back to the 80s...
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Some shithead teacher is going to take the first schoolyard fight that breaks out as an excuse to test this.
Anything except solve the problem huh.
Hey it'll probably work to prevent some deaths and possibly deescalate the situation without subjecting a troubled kid to a lethal shootout with a trigger-happy cop, but the entire thing seems so alien to my non US eyes.
Idk I feel like it will get used on many non-shooting events in a way that doesn't really deescalate anything.
Ostensibly you have the drone pilots beholden to Mithril Armor that may not respond unless it's an active shooter. We don't know how it'll work in practice until it does, but let's say they're true to their word then perhaps it's a good thing there's a non-lethal response option to an active shooter.
The US has had a pretty bad record on that historically. Taking bets tbat the first noted usage will be in a red state against a student protest.
So from my limited view this seems like a financial win for drone companies, it adds more defensive measures to school to a degree that I'm willing to argue US kids these days are entering military bunkers to get any form of education. Although sadly the level of education is dwindling more and more as US policy makers seems to be more interested in banning anything that might give people the idea anything else but the American dream is a possibility rather than giving people the means to think freely for themselves.
I agree with @DefinitelyNotAFae here that the cause is hardly addressed and people like flashy solutions more than the dealing with the human aspect. You know, putting an arm around someone who's in distress about bigger subjects and hearing them out without prejudice. (Which costs a lot less than a drone system on every campus).