A terrorist attack just happened in my city
TW for obvious reasons
As the title says. Mass shooting in a mall/concert hall, at least 40 people dead, over 100 injured. (UPD a day later: the count is now up to 133+ dead, 145+ injured)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Crocus_City_Hall_attack
Luckily I live on the opposite side of Moscow from where it happened, but both my girlfriend and my best friend (and a bunch of their friends as well) live near that area. Nothing happened to them, but it's still very scary and everyone's afraid that more shootings can happen soon.
Some of their friends said they heard gunshots directly under their windows. My gf had a very strong panic attack and still can't go to bed.
I'm not as scared myself because as I mentioned, I live far away from that area, but I'm still very worried for all of the people I know who live there.
That's it, I just felt like I wanted to share this with someone.
In case anyone else didn't know: TW apparently stands for "trigger warning."
That's rough; I'm sorry. I know there's a lot of hate these days for Putin and the Russian state, but don't let that make you feel isolated. There is still support for the innocents and a lot of acknowledgement that even Putin's supporters are often victims of a propaganda machine. We're here for you and to offer support.
Oddly, ISIS is taking credit for this. No idea how credible that is.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/22/europe/crocus-moscow-shooting/index.html
The current suspects are all Chechen men (the vast majority of whom are muslim) and the Wikipedia page says that they do have a connection to some Islamic terrorist group, so I wouldn't be surprised if this has something to do with ISIS
US officials are claiming it's a branch of IS that did it, so it seems fairly credible.
I’d be curious if this is ISIS just bandwagoning on ongoing Chechen tensions, or if there’s a lot of people in their ranks who made targeting Russia a priority due to their heavy involvement in Syria.
I'm pretty sure that quite a few Chechens joined ISIS a decade ago when they were growing, so I wouldn't be surprised if they still have a lot of overlap, at least.
I am so sad to hear this. I feel for you and for everyone who faces such horror.
I am very sorry to hear this news. I genuinely do not know anything about your country or the issues your people are facing. Has this kind of thing happened before in your area? How does the government typically respond to something like this in Moscow?
For some quick background, Chechnya is a republic of Russia bordering the country of Georgia (formerly a Soviet Republic). They have historical grievances with Imperial Russia, Soviet Russia, and modern Russia. As the Soviet Union dissolved, some countries were granted sovereignty and independence (Ukraine and Georgia, for example) while others received a status as a more autonomous republic within Russia.
For reasons unknown to me, the Chechens found themselves on the Russian side of the new border with Georgia. Although an independence movement was attempted, the Russian government rejected it. Separatists and others engaged in an insurgency initiating the first civil war beginning in 1994. Political violence, general instability, and religious extremism contributed to a protracted insurgency. The Second Chechen (Civil) War stretched into the late 2000s. During this time Russian forces committed a variety of human rights abuses, and I'm not saying one group is more at fault than the other here, but there is video from one of these wars of Russian forces intentionally targeting Chechen towns for artillery target practice. Tens of thousands of civilians of varying backgrounds and affiliations were killed during these wars.
In 2002, a group of Chechens took hostages at the Moscow Theatre. The Russian's military and police response was harsh and catastrophic and painted a picture for the west of the kind of brutality that the Russian government remained capable of. About two years later a Chechen group demanding independence took over a thousand hostages at a school. The event ended badly for everyone and the result that was the newly elected president of Russia, Putin, used the opportunity to reduce autonomy of some regions and consolidate power for himself.
Ramzan Kadyrov, essentially a Putin-backed warlord, received control of Chechnya after his father's death (his father had switched sides and betrayed the Chechens). More recently, Kadyrov's army participated in the invasion of Ukraine on behalf of Russian forces, complete with a bunch of Instagram posts.
On a somewhat related note, in the United States in 2013, the Boston Marathon bombing was perpetrated by two youths living in the U.S. who claimed ties and some amount of motivation from their Chechen ancestry, even though they'd never been to Chechnya, but mostly on western involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.
So it's safe to say that there are some historical grievances here and like in many parts of the world, not a lot has been done to properly address them and find a lasting peace.
Chechnya ended up with Russia because when they declared sovereignty as Ichkeria under Dudayev, they got support for their independence from Georgia and rather the opposite from Russia. Georgia was the only country to formally recognize Ichkeria after it was declared, and was instrumental in allowing it to survive as long as it did.
I do remember a few attacks in Russia in general, but I don't think something like this happened in Moscow in my lifetime, at least not of this scale.
The government response is outlined on the Wikipedia page I linked:
Moscow police was also switched to "siren mode" or something like that and they managed to find the suspects pretty quickly.
Those are all good things to do, but honestly there's a high chance that this event will be turned into a propaganda point. There are already a lot of pro-Putin Telegram channels calling this attack a Ukrainian plot, and I won't be surprised if this turns into an official government position. Obviously they won't just straight up say "Ukraine/America did this", but they may start implying this all over the state-controlled media.
I saw an article about how the US Embassy in Moscow warned of an attack on large gatherings of people earlier this month. It will be interesting to see what people have known about this before the attack.
US did warn about potential attacks, but I think it was like 2 weeks ago, and they specifically said now that they didn't know about this particular attack in advance
I have seen reports saying this was perpetrated by ISIS. Shocking, if true.
This is honestly the most plausible version. As I said in response to a different comment, all of the current suspects are Chechen Muslims, so if ISIS claims that those people are related to them, I can definitely believe that
Gassing the hostages.
Or keep going from bad to worse and shoot thermobaric missiles at a children's school with the children still in it.
Russian response to terror is to nuke and pave.
I can't do it justice what happened there so please do read up on these instances. @ChingShih already mentioned both events, but the articles go in depth about the ridiculousness of the Russian response.
I saw this thread late but wanted to send my well wishes to you and your friends. How is your town, and your circle, another day later? Panic attack little better?
Whats your view on this accusations?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Russia
I can't say if they're sponsoring them or not, but they definitely are often using them to push their agenda. As I replied to a different comment, the government is already starting to blame Ukraine for this attack, and I won't even be surprised if they announce yet another partial draft and use this as the reason
If I recall correctly, there already is another draft/mobilization for 300000 more. Do you really think they'll do another one?