Vaping DMT
I'm not some big psychonaut or anything. I haven't even had a proper trip outside of smoking some laced weed a decade or so ago. I microdosed shrooms (golden teacher) for a few years, but I topped out at 100mg twice a week. I've done about 2g of shrooms (different varieties), but at that level its more like a really great buzz off of alcohol with a little euphoria on top. Nothing crazy.
Anyway, I have a cartridge of NN DMT. I'm going to start light with only one hit, which should last only five minutes or so. I have a connect for ayahuasca, but it all seems to intense and drawn out and... just more than I want to do for a first go. I also don't really want to be that deep into something around a bunch of randos who also coughed up a couple hundred bucks to trip in some lady's living room.
I've been reading up on it for a while and have absolutely no anxiety about it. Even though its light, I'm still going to have a friend sit for me just to play it safe.
Ultimately, I don't have any grand expectations or anything. What I get out of it, positive or negative, will be good. I've read about higher doses actually improving the task-switching in the brain, which would be nice for my ADHD. I don't take any drugs for ADHD, depression, or anything, so I'm in a great spot on that front too.
Tell me your experiences (good or bad!)
DMT is a odd choice for "I don't want something too intense" lol.
Yeah it's short, but once you take a hit big enough to get through the tunnel you're full non-body experience/ego death.
I tried some in university and the good trips were insane. I still vividly remember the intense imagery of snakes, demons, gods, dark smoke filled rooms. It was fucking wild.
I did have a "bad trip" when my ex who was supposed to be sitting me decided to go and leave me right after I took a hit. That made me stop after that because even though it was 5 minutes I felt like my soul had be dammed to literal hell.
wtf. to not even sit for something so short is crazy. bad ex.
When I smoked that laced weed (i have no idea wtf was in it) I was sitting in the car and these sirens were going and suddenly all of these dogs were harmonizing with it and the house lights across the water were spelling things out and it was so magical and peaceful and perfect. My girlfriend at the time, on the other hand, had a terrible trip --- her body totally crumpled and she slept for about 12hrs in the back seat. haha. She was fine when she woke up and said she had a great sleep and was fully rested despite the initial chaos.
Any tips for getting someone out of a bad trip?
Anti-psychotics for a real emergency situation. You feel physically rotten, but it kills psychedelics.
Aside from that emergency nuclear option, I only know of keeping the person company and if the circumstances allow, trying to help them move into a better trip.
But the basics should work always - make sure they're being safe: if they want to be moving, keep them on safe paths, if they're wanting to lie down it should be somewhere soft, not the middle of the sidewalk, etc. keep them fed and watered as much as possible. If they're overstimulated reduce stimulus: turn lights down, turn music off, make a soft cozy blanket nest... If a specific stimulus is triggering anxiety, remove/reduce/replace it: could be scratchy clothes, could be a barking dog, etc.
Anti-psychotics take about ~45 minutes to kick in. There is no point in taking them for DMT because it will be over by the time they start working. If you get access to them save them as backups for your longer psychedelic adventures.
Edit: also, I just had a thought- i’m not even sure if I could safely swallow something while deep in the weeds of DMT. You’re usually not perceptive to the outside world unless it’s a small dose.
If I were in a situation where I felt like I still needed to be put down even after sobering up from DMT I’d probably take 50mgs of Benadryl. I work in emergency medicine and we actually use it pretty frequently for stuff like this :) very helpful underrated drug.
My only experience with anti-psychotics is second hand, but it certainly looked like they kicked in very fast. It wasn't DMT, that's true, hadn't considered that.
Taking medications by swallowing them takes a long time to kick in because the pill has to dissolve first, the pill has to work through the digestive system (which could be further delayed if the stomach is full), then absorbed by the digestive system, then depending on the drug they have to make it to the liver for first pass effect to get metabolized. The time it takes for the medication effects to peak might be even longer.
Although maybe they could have gotten sublingual zyprexa or something, that would potentially kick in a lot faster. Or even sometimes knowing that you got a medication that will make you feel better can make you feel much calmer immediately. Who knows :) I’m just happy that it worked out for them and that’s the only thing that really matters tbh.
Medications taken orally do take time to kick in, but as a nitpick, it's worth noting that it doesn't necessarily require a pill to dissolve. I took a low dose of an antipsychotic for anxiety and it was a liquid. It did still take time to kick in, but y'know. Like I said, it's a nitpick.
Huh. TIL. I didn’t even consider that there could be liquid suspended anti-psychotics, never seen em’ in my practice but it makes sense to have it for some populations.
The one I was prescribed was what's sold as Abilify in the US, I think. Not sure if it's sold as a liquid in the US or not though, as it was prescribed while I was in Germany. It was prescribed to me off-label for anxiety in doses of 1-2mg maximum, and the small amount was much easier to dole out with the solution and provided syringe than it would've been if I'd had to cut up a pill. Especially since my psychiatrist instructed me to play around with how much I took and how frequently as long as I stayed below 2mg a day.
Wicked. Thanks for this! Good tip with the antipsychotic med. Surprising that works, to be honest.
I don't have any tips for getting out of a bad trip except the usual ones. Change setting, accept the process, go for a walk. That kinda thing.
But if you go into something like a full on DMT trip you ain't doing anything because you are essentially unconscious for 5 minutes. Fortunately it's only 5 minutes haha.
Though, I have no idea how strong DMT laced weed is, or what weed does to DMT when mixed. When I tried it I had pure DMT and I dry vaped like 5mg or something.
SWIM tried it once and had a decent experience. Reportedly not as great as LSD, but decent. One thing they've cautioned about was the hot lighter and the pipe, which vape solves very well. They sat on a couch and had a person help remove the lighter and the pipe swiftly, because DMT causes immediate shutdown. They reported whiteness enveloping everything and then immediately waking up into a full-blown LSD-like trip. They complained that most of the time the trip was ending, so they couldn't get more into it. Apparently they prefer LSD peak and slow plateau. Also, neither did anything for their ADHD.
nice! that all sounds pretty decent. I was microdosing LSD for a while but it ruined my sleep even at only 20μg.
A lot of people seem to have that enveloping sense -- some black, some white. either way, I'm all for it.
SWIM tried microdosing LSD. The net effect with their ADHD was elevated mood and loss of productivity due to inability to focus. They ended up preferring regular trips and regular weeks. Also, LSD has a tolerance buildup, so both you and them might have been on placebo mostly.
200-300μg orally after Friday sunset was their recommendation. Take the Friday off, if possible. Saturday also worked. 100μg would be reportedly a good dose to do with another person for the first trip, as user retains much lucidity.
Unless someone is dosing regularly or a huge person, this is way too much for occasional use. 200 μg is nearly a heroic dose, and ego death for 6+ hours can lead to a terrible trip. Speaking from experience, I cannot recommend that much for the vast majority of people!
100 μg is much more reasonable.
Edit: by "huge" I meant the person is physically massive.
This might be an issue of inflation of claimed dosage by dealers. Last time I dug around (~3+ years back), it seemed like in North America people attested to regularly purchasing 'hits' of 150-250 ug, which was cast in doubt both by people who've had access to credible sources as well as lab testing, both cohorts attesting that most LSD on the market ran around 75-125 ug per hit, regardless of claims.
This would line their dosages up with more durable hearsay recommending "one hit for a first time, maybe half a tab if you're going to be around people". But I've also seen plenty of folks claiming that 4 g of psilocybe is a good first dose.
Yeah, I know my supply and dosage is legit. 1P-LSD is legal in Canada.
Starting small is always safer. You can't untake the drug.
Yeah. I think as with any other unfamiliar active substance, one would read the fine print and make necessary accommodations.
SWIM said they cannot imagine using LSD with other, non-dosed or at least very familiar with the state, around. Apparently they prefer semi-secluded places with good facilities.
I love DMT, it’s my favorite psychedelic. Much moreso than either acid or shrooms.
I have a difficult time with small doses though, I find that my entire body and mind screams oh god this feels like too much similar to when you start going downhill on a rollercoaster and then the trip ends up being uncomfortable, underwhelming and feels like a waste of the drug. Normally I would never ever recommend bypassing that gut instinct for any substance, but I had to force myself to hit a certain threshold that would allow me to let go enough to do some actual exploration.
What I had to do was take the absolute biggest rips I could, then once the familiar rollercoaster feeling started to kick in I knew I had to take one more hit even if I didn’t want it. I know a lot of people with tripsitters have the sitter command them to do one more hit as well. It is really hard to break through otherwise.
It’s so worth it though, breaking through feels blissful, introspective and just so fucking cool.
One of my favorite trips was one day I was in my office and I was supposed to be organizing my filing cabinet, but I thought, hey, why not do some DMT real quick, it’ll only distract me for 15-20 minutes (I have ADHD and procrastination is a huge problem for me).
Once I did it I quickly stumbled down into darkness and landed amongst the most beautiful rainbow fractals moving to the beat of my music and the fractals eventually transported me to a panel of alien like figures. The music suddenly faded away while the aliens talked amongst themselves. The aliens then asked me, why do you think it’s appropriate to do DMT when you have work to do? Don’t come back here unless you’ve finished your tasks.
I then got yeeted back into reality and was like, huh, guess I can’t argue with that 🤷♀️. Didn’t dick around on any of my chores for a good while after that experience lol.
You have to chain hit the vapes to get anywhere near a breakthrough. Pipe is better for that. But if you're looking for a lighter psychedelic experience that's accessible at your fingertips and much shorter than 4+ hours, it's got what you're looking for. The nausea can be quite strong, and it has a rather unique taste and smell, but depending on your experience you might grow fond of it overtime.
for my first one I'm not going to go for a breakthrough. :) Is there a stack I should prep with like for ecstasy or is DMT a truly perfect drug?
You shouldn't really be putting any drugs on a pedestal like that, but no DMT doesn't cause significant oxidative stress and it doesn't hit serotonin anywhere near as hard as MDMA does.
If you’re not going for the full dose, it’s really not worth it. DMT is not like shrooms or LSD, where you can get some amount of enjoyment/recreation on small doses. It will simply make you feel off.
I believe the carto will yield about 10-15 trips (ballpark) -- so there's no rush :)
Wasn't expecting a drug topic, I think I've only seen like two of those since I've joined!
Yeah I broke through once on it. I've done a lot of experimentation, but it wasn't one I was too interested in seeking out for whatever reason. I guess I've been more interested in seeing what drugs do to the brain/body/experience and it veered too far into the "absolutely zooted" zone. I wasn't on anticonvulsants at the time so I had a seizure (predisposed,
nothing scary, nobody around me noticed) once I started to break through, so I took a step back then instead of the bigger plunge. It was about time for me to "hang up the phone," so I don't feel I got anything substantial from it other than "wow that was an intense but brief psychedelic experience." I did get what he meant with the mechanical elves though. Going from 2g of shrooms to DMT is quite an intensity leap, I may consider trying for a stronger shroom dose or LSD first.
I'm medicated now and don't dose often, but LSD is probably my favorite "pure" psych. Shrooms are nice for a mild time, but strong doses were manic for me and, even though I'm medicated now, my history with mania would put me in a bad headspace going in. 4 AcO was neat, it did feel like "clean shrooms," perhaps even lacked the mania, though it was so long ago I forget for certain. Nbomes had some ick body load for a somewhat more visual, less heady, and shorter LSD-like high. 2cb was also nice, somewhere between 4 AcO and LSD.
mixing meds and this stuff is tricky. I'm not on anything, but I do about a gram or so of Alacabenzi every so often. That specific one is pretty light. 1g is like a buzz off alcohol -- really pleasant, no hallucinations or anything, just improvement to everything.
at once it feels like there's so much to know but also not very much, if that makes sense.
Oh pardon if I was unclear -- the issues with mania and seizures were with no medication involved, and also present without the drugs. Medication resolved both and they mix fine.
I dunno, I often feel folks can learn more about what's going on with what they're taking and their bodies. I'm shocked at how few folks try and test their stuff for instance. It can get tricky when medication is involved -- tripsit has their interaction chart for some common stuff, but there's also just not a great pool of research to go off of. You can learn what each drug does and maybe figure if there's a direct interaction, but there's a lot of systems so without research or a more educated opinion, it's more an informed guess really.
Similar deal with someone I know who's also ADHD - no effect on the ADHD from the DMT, though it was reportedly amazing.
I'm not familiar with the varieties of DMT, haven't tried it myself, but the stuff I've seen or been near has always been the short duration (as in, a few minutes) type
yeah! that short duration is what drew me to it. From what I understand, the first dose I'm going to do will be about five minutes in our time but quite a bit longer in DRUG TIME. I read some where people were on fifteen minute trips and felt like they lived whole other lives... like Picard did... kind of neat, but I really don't want that sort of thing unless I learn the flute.
For the types, NN is the classic, another type is in shrooms, then I believe there's a synthetic version of that, and then one other type that is the toad that Mike Tyson smoked.
Vaping DMT is the perfect little psychedelic trip. Low enough temps give me pleasant but not overwhelming visuals that last just 5-10 minutes, with no effects afterwards.
music to my ears. :)
People in my area were early adopters of vape DMT cartridges. They've been using them for over a decade. I rarely use it but have dabbled with it for over 20 years.
My biggest technical suggestion is to use a vape battery/body that has adjustable temperature. Many do if you click it and hold the button, or some other combination of clicks and holds.
DMT needs to be ripping hot to vaoprize--way hotter than any cannabis product.
If you have a rig that can do this one hit is a reasonable start, 2-4 depending on volume of breath, how hard you want to trip, and your body.
Be very sure that you are not taking any MAOI medication.
Also I generally feel burned out after two or three rounds. Some people will carry on for a long time but you seem to be a person of moderation so I would plan on one to three trips max.
one to three trips in the same night? I'm just doing the one to start -- i never considered more than one.
For me yes. The fatigue starts at 3 low-medium rounds.
so I've done two rounds -- but not in the same night. The second was two good hits and was great but no breakthrough or anything. It felt like I was getting a facial massage from an octopus and everything was super fuzzy like a stuffed animal.
Great little drug.
Nice! Personally I just like the body feel and the pretty colors. I'm not looking (perhaps I'm unable) to have a transformational experience.
In very high doses people often start talking in tongues. The one time that happened to me I completely blacked out the experience.
Fuzzy sparkly is good enough for me!
Yeah, I’m in the same boat. I’d love for some breakthrough thing, but in the same, it’s all been great.
My favorite thing to do is about a gram of Alacabenzi shrooms in a tek.
'in a tek' ? I am unfamiliar with the term. What does it mean?
Personally I'm, azurescens and cyanescens guy but I know that's not available most places.
Basically you chop or grind the shrooms then soak it in lemon juice. It sort of pre-digests the shrooms, which makes them hit harder and is easier on your stomach.
Tastes better too :)
Interesting. I've heard of using citrus (we used to think orange juice) to intensify the high of LSD.
Turns out some citrus specifically grapefruit have enzyme inhibitors that work like MAOI inhibitor what causing more of the chemical to move to your bloodstream and inhibits the breakdown of the molecules in your body.
I'm sure my explanation is technically incorrect (any bio chemist feel free to correct me) but basically some citrus can interact with some medication for better or worse.
i tried the shrooms in a grapefruit tek and it wasnt any different for me.
my understanding is that grapefruit juice causes less of something to enter the blood, which makes some medications stronger and others weaker... maybe. we need a biochemist on call :)