Crisis of identity for a guy given no direction

It might be worth asking why you seek an identity, rather than what identity you should seek. I feel like it should be entirely possible to exist as a person defined only by what you are, in this very moment, without burden or obligation to adhere to a specific compass.

I'm a nihilist and have recently wondered about what that means for me. Even if everything means nothing, that doesn't mean that nothing has to mean anything to me. So far I'm still trying to figure out what my sense of meaning comes from as well, but I don't have any expectation for it to be permanent. My thoughts and feelings vary on a daily basis, so my core beliefs need not be any less ephemeral.

“You're under no obligation to be the same person you were 5 minutes ago.”

― Alan Watts

Honestly, it sounds like what you're looking for isn't a religion, but a community. Which makes total sense to me, seeing how American life is so disjointed and individualistic. As a new immigrant to this country, this is what stuck me the most - there is no sense of community nor any sense of mutual responsibility of people to one another. There are many things I love about living here, but this (and food) is what I miss most. People live their lives ensconced in their homes and very rarely interact meaningfully with one another.
I think I shared your sense of alienation growing up - I never felt like I belonged in my home country - I disliked the religion and the community that was thrust upon me seemed quaint and intrusive - so from a very young age hatched plans to leave. I travelled around a lot and got to live in 3 continents over 15 years. Ironically, this is what strengthened my sense of identity and belonging. I found myself missing home, missing my language and culture, missing understanding instinctively people's behavior, missing the holidays I always suffered through. It strengthened my relationship with my parents, despite the distances. I wouldn't recommend it - despite loving my life right now, I came to the realization that I will always feel uprooted here, I would never know how to behave instinctively with people, my children will never know my culture like I do. What to me was my life, to them will always sound like tall tales from the 'old country'. But I would definitely recommend traveling! There's nothing to give you perspective quite like traveling and seeing other cultures. Talking to people and listening to their lives. It's what allowed me to reflect back on my own life and culture. And what more - traveling allowed me to reinvent myself. When you're away from family and friends who've known you for years, you can try on different personas and experiment with the kind of person you maybe want to be. There's nobody there to hold you down and tell you 'this isn't like you'. You can try being more outgoing, friendlier, more direct and people wouldn't know this isn't you.
As for day-to-day life, I would highly recommend getting out of your shell and looking for other groups of people to interact with. They don't need to be religion-oriented, you can try board-games or hiking, go out and try talking to your neighbors and maybe invite them over for dinner. Maybe try some volunteer work around your community. Or even go out and try to find other people also interested in Buddhism to talk to. The most important thing is - get out of your head. :)

Atheist here: to be honest, I have a hard time relating to this. I'm a very rational and science driven guy, and I've never felt motivated to believe or investigate any beliefs in a higher power because there isn't any real world evidence to suggest that such a thing exists. I do have quite an interest in eastern and Pacific Islander religions (including Buddhism), but only from an academic and curiosity perspective, not from a genuine belief. If I really had to push to give myself an identity, I suppose I'd pick secular humanist, and you may find it interesting too. It's a philosophy of sorts that rejects theistic or superstition beliefs, but retains the communal aspects common to many religions, and where the higher purpose is the advancement and progress of humanity. That would be the cause I consider myself already dedicated to, and I'm only not really interested in the social nature since I'm not a very social guy in the first place.

However, if Buddhism really speaks to you, I'd really encourage you to look down that path. Buddhism has, for the most part, always been an intensely introspective and individualistic religion; one of the core tenants of it is letting go of your attachment to the shallow nature of reality, and instead examine and embrace the permanence of things. It's a very tolerant religion that tends to be very embracing of outsiders, and nobody will think any less of you for being white. If it speaks to you, I sincerely think it's at least worth your time to go and check it out. And if the idea of a temple or a meeting group doesn't appeal to you, you can actually teach and practice a lot of aspects of it by yourself, using the internet and written works as a resource.

Atheists: How weird does this sound to you? Did you go through a similar crisis before landing on atheism

This sounds very fucking weird.

For context: I didn't "land on" atheism. I've been atheist since the day I was born. I was simply never raised to believe in any religion; my parents never imposed that on me.

And I've never felt a need to replace something I never had. I know, from reading a lot of ex-theists' stories on the internet (especially American ones), that they feel like something is missing from their lives after they deconvert. And that's only natural, because their religion took up mental space in their minds and temporal space in their weekly schedule. Take that away, and it feels like there's a gap that needs to be filled. But I have no such gap because my atheism is not an absence. It's not a gap left by something that was removed. It's a natural core part of me: it's just how I've always been.

I desperately want to believe in a religion and have a sense of community and just, something to tie my individual beliefs to the world and know other people feel the same way I do.

Belief and community are two separate things. Sure, religious people fill both needs with one thing: church. But it doesn't have to be like that.

Why do you want to believe in a religion? Is it because there's a need in you to embrace the numinous? Or is it just that you feel isolated and want to be part of a group? If it's the latter, that's a very poor reason for signing up to a religion.

If you want a sense of community, it should be based on something you actually believe and/or like and/or want. Some people get their sense of community from being part of a sporting team, or from joining a political/activist organisation, or from volunteering with a charity. Find something you actually connect with, and join up to a group that is involved in that thing you feel a connection to. That will give you a more authentic feeling of community than trying to fit yourself into a group that you're just not connected to.

I'm like 15% everything so it doesn't feel like I'm REALLY from that culture. I guess that's why some people are so extreme about being American. They're such a mix of so many different European countries that if a parent isn't invested in a specific culture, it's hard to identify with any single one, so they rally behind America. It is all they have.

I'm a mongrel like you (although not quite to the same degree). My parents are both migrants to Australia (each from different parts of Europe), and I'm a first-generation Australian. My culture is Australian. I'm not part-this and part-that and other-Australian... I'm just Australian. That's my culture.

Why isn't "American" your culture? Why do you feel a need to identify with a culture that's not yours? Why can't you be American?

EDIT: Typo.

In a lot of ways I feel similarly to you, but there are some differences. I was raised religious but eventually became an agnostic theist like @suspended. I was also raised in a very white household without much real culture. My family is 'Irish' to the extent that we make a traditional Irish dinner for St.Patricks day. The other 364 days of the year we are very blandly American.

I've found the answer is to culture myself.

In terms of religion, believe what you want to believe. For example, I want to believe in a benevolent force that judges people fairly and independent of their tribalistic beliefs. I want to believe in an afterlife more complexed than unfathomable eternal splendor, or eternal fiery torment. There is no real reason for me to believe in these things, but I want to believe them because they give me security, and that's all that religion has ever been anyways. You must face the possibility that there is no 'right' religion for you, and instead form you own vague beliefs based on your own personal values.

In terms of actual culture, form opinions, hobbies, interests, even new foods or clothing styles. Try new things, and see how they change you. Some people might say that doing so makes you 'fake' because you didn't seek these things out of a natural interest. But honestly that's just snobbery, plain and simple. If you try something out, make it a part of yourself, and end up enjoying it, that's something more wonderful than staying in any kind of bubble ever could be. Do it with a friend whenever you can, I have and honestly its made things much easier, and pushed me to do things I'm not sure I would have otherwise.

How weird does this sound to you? Did you go through a similar crisis before landing on atheism?

I was critical of certain things I was taught in Sunday School since I started going at like 4. Little logical things like "if God can part the ocean for Noah, why can't he make mommy and daddy stop smoking so they live longer?" I had little questions like that that became mountains of doubt. The answer was never concrete enough for me as a four year old, and my entire life the "God works in mysterious ways" thing never really flew with me, nor did the idea you could be a terrible sinner and repent on your deathbed, even if you were Hitler. I had a series of nightmares about Armageddon happening when I was like 12, and decided I was done. There was a scary five years where I had to seriously rethink morality and ethics without the religious framework I had learned, but it sort of started to fit together around when I turned 18.

I'm not quite Atheist, if anything I'm a Buddhist, but the approach I take it from is more philosophical, but I'm not searching for God or anything, as I'm absolutely certain he doesn't exit. There are schools of Buddhism that add whole heaps of mystical stuff to Buddhism, but I try to go by the very core ideas, and assume everything else was either a product of the region a particular interpretation (Indian schools), or venerate an individual as the reincarnation of Siddharta Gautama (see Tibetan Buddhsim with the Dalai Lama). The work of Brad Warner is pretty good if you want to dip your toes in to a very stripped-down flavor of Zen that he learned from his master, Gudo Wafu Nishijima. He said in one book what it took me a decade to realize about Buddhism (he, and his teacher Gudo Nishijima, take a very basic, literal interpretation of Shobogenzo and the teachings of Bodhidharma, the first person to teach Ch'an Buddhism in China, which would eventually get to Japan and become Zen). I'm still bad about meditation, but do it occasionally, but found, early on the eightfold path and four noble truths provide a decent framework to live by.

But I desperately want to believe in a religion and have a sense of community and just, something to tie my individual beliefs to the world and know other people feel the same way I do.

Humans are social animals. The desire to feel a sense of community, of being part of a larger whole, seems to be a universal human quest. Sometimes it's called religion, sometimes it's called something else.

I keep finding myself gravitating towards budhism.

If you haven't read it already, I'd recommend Why Buddhism is True. The central thesis of the book is that Buddhism, unlike other religions or belief systems, has accumulated a large amount of peer-reviewed scientific evidence supporting its teachings.

It feels like I'm that white dude everyone hates that wont stop talking about budism.

What do you call a Buddhist who experiences anxiousness when talking about Buddhism?

a Buddhist

What do you call a Buddhist who does not experience anxiousness when talking about Buddhism?

a Buddhist

It's funny, I've been wondering recently how it happened that many of my relatives ended up so strongly religious. We were mostly raised in the United Church of Canada, which is a fairly low-key, flexible form of Christianity, but some of my relatives switched to a more evangelical church when they grew up. They're not obnoxious about it but it catches me off guard at times, especially since I've moved away from the notion of Christianity and into... whatever it is I believe now. (A higher power I call God, but no formal institutions for me. The closest I got was exploring Quakerism for a year or two, but I don't feel the need to attend meeting with other people so I gave it up.) I've also just discovered an old high school friend is now intensely religious, although I don't remember her being into it back then. I guess this is all to say that being raised one way doesn't mean you can't veer off in any direction you want later in life. I think your core values are part of you whether you're in a religion or not. I imagine I'd be basically the same person if I hadn't attended church and Sunday school when I was young.

As for cultural background, I don't feel much connection either. I was adopted, so do I identify with my birth family or my adoptive one? Doesn't much matter, since we're all WASP-y Canadians who don't pay much attention to what happened four or five generations back. I remember wishing in the past to "be something" less wishy-washy, but I think I'm over that.

These are big questions you're wrestling with, but there isn't necessarily a final answer. Try religions if you want. Maybe you'll find a place where you feel you belong, maybe not. I live in a major city and nobody I know would care in the slightest if you're into Buddhism (unless you actually are the guy who won't stop talking about it. Don't be that guy), but maybe it's less accepted in smaller cities. Being able to talk every day to people from other cultures and religions is endlessly interesting, and makes me see that maybe I have more of my own culture than I thought. Chocolate eggs last weekend rather than this one (happy Orthodox Easter to anyone celebrating today), bland food rather than garlic and spices, a preference for BBC programs, that's my background and I'm comfortable with those things, but I also choose to learn Japanese and watch foreign films and eat food I'd never even heard of when I was growing up -- spaghetti and meatballs was a pretty exotic dish in my small town in the '70s -- because other cultures are pretty great too.

Yeah, as someone from a country where atheism is pretty much the norm this sounds very strange. But that's mostly what it is I think, in the US religion is probably so much of a bigger deal than here, so that's also probably why you feel so strange about not being part of one.

I had a similar upbringing in that I was exposed to both of my parents theistic identities - Christian and Jewish. I did both Saturday and Sunday school for a time. Even as a kid I had a lot of issue with figures of authority. Anyone telling me that I must do something without explaining to me the why only triggered me to question why it was important harder. I figured, if someone can't adequately explain to me, then they are likely hiding something. I ended up getting kicked out of both schools because I asked too many questions.

I come from a somewhat wealthy family. We're not extravagant and by all means we appear to be middle class. As a child we took a single vacation every year, typically to a Hawaiian island, for about a week in length. Our house was modest, the cars were all middle class mass produced top sellers like civics and corollas. But the attitude of my family was that of a wealthy one - both of my parents would work late into the evening, with my mother coming home around 530-6 and my father often taking longer. We sometimes had dinner together, but typically we ate wherever we wanted to and kept a "healthy distance" from each other's personal on-goings. Because of this I was never instilled with any real "cultural" identity and I often found myself latching on to whatever seemed interesting at the time.

Religion has never been an important part of my life. I understand why it is in others, but I personally believe strongly that if there is some sort of benevolent overlord, there's no way they could be so selfish that simply "not believing" would be enough to cast you out of their good graces for life. If they were truly benevolent they would measure your actions, and I already want to be a good person because it's the right thing to do for society - it's the right thing to do as a human because it brings the most progress and happiness to the world. In a way, I guess you could say my religion is humanism, in that I believe we have the tools and the reasoning to come to the same conclusions that religion dictates to us - without the contradictions and arbitrary rules that don't necessarily do any good for society and humans in general.

In terms of cultural identity, I guess I got lucky because I'm bisexual (or pansexual if you want to get technical). I'm queer as fuck and fell in hard with LGBTQ+ folks. My hobbies also have pretty active communities - gaming, climbing, etc. so I've never felt a need to have something tied to my ethnicity or other arbitrary trait.

I think my question to you is, why? Why must something about you be unchanging? The world is a changing place. Being adaptable is good!

Have you checked out Free Masonry? It has spiritual aspects to it, but is not really religious in the normal sense. It does require belief in a higher power - so it does exclude atheists - but seeks to celebrate the common good shared among religions and men. It has a lot of pageantry to it and there is a lot of focus on charity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

I feel like I have had a very similar journey to you. My parents raised me in a Methodist church that was very tolerant to people having nonconforming views. So, while they became like an extended family to me, I actually moved away from Christian faith (really, all theist faiths) during this time. I have also been studying Buddhism, in addition to Stoicism, some Taoism, and a lot of Western Ethics, trying to find my own personal faith system. In terms of ethnic heritage, my family has been living in the U.S. for at least three generations, so I have never felt particularly attached to any specific nation group, though I don't really desire one. I desire having any kind of close-knit community more than one necessarily based around ethnicity.

How weird does this sound to you?

As I lost my faith, I had a crisis as well, which is still ongoing. Unlike others on this thread, I don't believe that science, nor atheism, nor even secular humanism can save us from the need for religion. Many (though, of course, not all) vocal internet atheists like to attack the religious for holding unfounded and non-scientific beliefs, but everyone needs axioms that they hold true without evidence. We have nothing otherwise. As David Hume pointed out, we can't even prove that science as an institution can prove or know anything useful. Of course, I still believe it does, but that's because I have decided to axiomatically hold the Law of Induction to be true, without sound evidence. Similarly, to hold any belief about the world, it must eventually fall back on some sort of axiomatic, superhuman belief. To reject solipsism or accept human rights —to make any moral statement— we must eventually have some basis that is believed on "faith". The system of these axioms will form personal beliefs, and while some will look like classical religions and some won't, everyone has beliefs that take this form.

This has been a rather long-winded way of justifying your investigation. I think religion, while often derided on the internet these days, is a question worth seriously investigating, even if we reject the standard religions. I don't find your process weird at all.

Did you go through a similar crisis before landing on atheism

I don't know where my religious beliefs stand currently, but I'll answer anyway.

I have found some of my faith process has been finding inconsistencies or contradictions in my axioms, and removing or modifying those that don't fit. In other cases, it is realizing that I don't have an axiom that covers some area, and I must now choose one. In either case, it's a very personal process that has been informed by deep introspection and long discussions with people I trust.

As I said, I moved away from Christianity in my teenage years as I learned more about science and philosophy. I felt like I kept modifying my conception of God from the Sunday School version to this more-and-more abstract version, until I finally realized that what I thought of when I said "God" had almost nothing in common with others' perceptions. For instance, I felt I had no basis to believe in an omnipotent, omniscient, nor omnibenevolent god, in part or in whole.

After that realization, I transitioned pretty cleanly to secular humanism without knowing that was what it's called. I sat there for several years before being introduced to Buddhism and subsequently Stoicism in classes, and deciding to enter back into this investigation. That's about where I stand today. I do a lot of reading, a lot of toying with ideas, trying things out. I did a lot of meditation for a while, and while I fell out of that habit, I've been trying to get back into it. I wouldn't say I'm Buddhist nor Stoic, but I'm not faithless either. Questioning or exploring is more accurate. I'd be happy to talk to anyone about any of these philosophies, if you want.

How has growing up with a religion effected your life? Do you think you’d be a drastically different person without it?

I think I (perhaps obviously at this point) introspect deeply about my beliefs, and so when I decide to finally accept or reject one, I try very hard to live by it. I am by no means perfect, and you can't be too hard on yourself, but I do think that they've heavily shaped my behavior. To be fair, I don't know how many of my beliefs are informed by my personality, and how much of my personality is informed by my beliefs; perhaps I would be similar no matter how I was raised.

If there's one thing I've learned it's that you can't control everything that happens, but you can choose your friends, at least in the U.S. Over time, try to find some that you resonate with, and see where that takes you.

On the psychological spectrum, there are all sorts, extroverts, introverts, highly sensitive, asperger's spectrum, conformists and non, and so on. Maybe try to learn a little bit about yourself in terms of some of these human classifications. It can be helpful.