@MimicSquid @PuddleOfKittens @bendvis I used to live around Asheville and still have friends in the area. I've been paying an unhealthy amount of attention to the situation. I know of at least two...
I used to live around Asheville and still have friends in the area. I've been paying an unhealthy amount of attention to the situation.
I know of at least two instances in which a person who already had Starlink equipment came and set it up at a public place for people to use while cell service was down, becoming their only line out to the rest of the world. Starlink offering relief like this is not shallow or meaningless.
I get it, Elon bad, but loosening restrictions on service and waiving charges can play a crucial role in restoring communication in disaster areas. So crucial that the FCC encourages, and sometimes requires, operators to provide this sort of relief.
So what Starlink is doing isn't notable, but that doesn't make it a "positive PR spin", or "bad-faith advertising". They're just doing what's expected of them as a network operator.
Pretty much every major mobile network operator will remove restrictions and waive charges for service in areas affected by natural disasters. I know for a fact AT&T and Verizon have sent out alerts to their customers in the affected zip codes, and most other carriers probably have by now as well.
That this offer doesn't include free equipment is unfortunate, but it doesn't make the offer meaningless. In Western North Carolina, tens of thousands of people live in homes isolated on the mountains. Some of these people are still stranded by landslides that destroyed roadways. Some had to be rescued by helicopter.
Even for those who aren't stranded, they still likely don't have power, let alone internet access. I can imagine there are thousands of homes in the mountains whose line connections for power, and everything else, have been severed. The power connections alone might take weeks to repair. The internet connections could take months. A lot of these homes don't have cell service. They rely on internet access for phone calls and text messages. Suddenly, a satellite connection like Starlink starts to seem appealing.
So again, offers like this aren't meaningless, and operators like Starlink are encouraged to provide them. Having said all that, there are some things I would like to see Starlink do beyond just this offer:
I don't think existing customers should need to request a free month of service, it should just automatically be provided, like mobile carriers having been doing. I'm guessing Starlink doesn't have the infrastructure in place to do that automatically yet though.
Offering free, or at least discounted service, to new and existing customers in the affected areas beyond thirty days, would also be immensely helpful. Even with FEMA assistance, so many people are going to have to spend thousands of dollars on home repairs. Any reduction in expenses would be helpful.
Offering loaner units to people in the affected areas would probably be the best thing Starlink could do right now, so that people who might only need the service for a few months, until their normal connection is restored, could then return the units.
Them setting up central "town square" units in some of the areas where people are able to stay put or "get to town" would be helpful too. I know that this is how some areas are trying to get...
Them setting up central "town square" units in some of the areas where people are able to stay put or "get to town" would be helpful too. I know that this is how some areas are trying to get counts of who is ok or not, based on folks checking in for the internet and supplies.
How many people is it actually going to be helping? The equipment isn't included, and there's no reliable way for them to get it even if they can pay for it. I suppose it will help people who...
How many people is it actually going to be helping? The equipment isn't included, and there's no reliable way for them to get it even if they can pay for it. I suppose it will help people who already have starlink.
I think that there's a default level of profit seeking that all healthy organizations engage in. It's important to pay the bills, stay in business, build a cash buffer against downturns, etc. But...
I think that there's a default level of profit seeking that all healthy organizations engage in. It's important to pay the bills, stay in business, build a cash buffer against downturns, etc.
But when a business is controlled by a singular erratic, self-aggrandizing, and emotionally fragile individual who has a history of inserting himself into disasters to show off rather than to help... I really don't think that this is an offer that will actually help the people he's offering it to.
I can't speak for anyone else, but you might notice that none of my denigration of Musk was based on his politics. It's all about his character, not his currently professed beliefs. If he was...
I can't speak for anyone else, but you might notice that none of my denigration of Musk was based on his politics. It's all about his character, not his currently professed beliefs. If he was doing this in good faith, I'd appreciate it, but he hasn't shown himself to be a person who does things in good faith.
Personally, I would prefer if bad-faith advertising didn't exist. It won't. And if it accidentally does, that doesn't make the bad-faith cashing in on a disaster okay. There's a significant...
Why do you say that? Would prefer they didn’t do this?
Personally, I would prefer if bad-faith advertising didn't exist.
If it helps people who will potentially have no internet for weeks then who cares?
It won't. And if it accidentally does, that doesn't make the bad-faith cashing in on a disaster okay.
Almost no company does anything in good faith.
There's a significant difference between the behaviour of Valve and the behaviour of Oracle; there are absolutely companies that do things in good faith. If you assume all companies are equally bad and act accordingly, then you're punishing any company that acts in good faith.
It does not. Entering an address in Asheville initially shows this for the normal residential service and this for the Helene Relief service. However, when you proceed to the actual checkout, the...
It does not. Entering an address in Asheville initially shows this for the normal residential service and this for the Helene Relief service. However, when you proceed to the actual checkout, the hardware costs are not excluded.
This really makes it feel like the offer is just to make headlines for the positive PR spin. If Starlink offered a free 60 day return policy on the hardware, it might feel more genuine.
This really makes it feel like the offer is just to make headlines for the positive PR spin. If Starlink offered a free 60 day return policy on the hardware, it might feel more genuine.
My cousin has the only house still standing in his neighborhood in TN. He said UPS delivered a package to the mobile home half in a sink hole across the street. There's at least 1 UPS driver crazy...
My cousin has the only house still standing in his neighborhood in TN. He said UPS delivered a package to the mobile home half in a sink hole across the street. There's at least 1 UPS driver crazy enough.
I just pictured a UPS truck driving by and tossing a package out the window into the sinkhole. Jokes aside, glad your cousin's house is still standing at least. That's got to feel so surreal.
I just pictured a UPS truck driving by and tossing a package out the window into the sinkhole.
Jokes aside, glad your cousin's house is still standing at least. That's got to feel so surreal.
@MimicSquid @PuddleOfKittens @bendvis
I used to live around Asheville and still have friends in the area. I've been paying an unhealthy amount of attention to the situation.
I know of at least two instances in which a person who already had Starlink equipment came and set it up at a public place for people to use while cell service was down, becoming their only line out to the rest of the world. Starlink offering relief like this is not shallow or meaningless.
I get it, Elon bad, but loosening restrictions on service and waiving charges can play a crucial role in restoring communication in disaster areas. So crucial that the FCC encourages, and sometimes requires, operators to provide this sort of relief.
So what Starlink is doing isn't notable, but that doesn't make it a "positive PR spin", or "bad-faith advertising". They're just doing what's expected of them as a network operator.
Pretty much every major mobile network operator will remove restrictions and waive charges for service in areas affected by natural disasters. I know for a fact AT&T and Verizon have sent out alerts to their customers in the affected zip codes, and most other carriers probably have by now as well.
That this offer doesn't include free equipment is unfortunate, but it doesn't make the offer meaningless. In Western North Carolina, tens of thousands of people live in homes isolated on the mountains. Some of these people are still stranded by landslides that destroyed roadways. Some had to be rescued by helicopter.
Even for those who aren't stranded, they still likely don't have power, let alone internet access. I can imagine there are thousands of homes in the mountains whose line connections for power, and everything else, have been severed. The power connections alone might take weeks to repair. The internet connections could take months. A lot of these homes don't have cell service. They rely on internet access for phone calls and text messages. Suddenly, a satellite connection like Starlink starts to seem appealing.
So again, offers like this aren't meaningless, and operators like Starlink are encouraged to provide them. Having said all that, there are some things I would like to see Starlink do beyond just this offer:
Thank you for a perspective a little closer to the situation. I appreciate someone talking about how it's actually going to help in concrete terms.
Them setting up central "town square" units in some of the areas where people are able to stay put or "get to town" would be helpful too. I know that this is how some areas are trying to get counts of who is ok or not, based on folks checking in for the internet and supplies.
Oh yeah? If you think this is in good faith I have a tiny cave submarine to sell you.
Look, I just tell you about 'em. I try to report, not opine! ...except sometimes in the comments.
How many people is it actually going to be helping? The equipment isn't included, and there's no reliable way for them to get it even if they can pay for it. I suppose it will help people who already have starlink.
I think that there's a default level of profit seeking that all healthy organizations engage in. It's important to pay the bills, stay in business, build a cash buffer against downturns, etc.
But when a business is controlled by a singular erratic, self-aggrandizing, and emotionally fragile individual who has a history of inserting himself into disasters to show off rather than to help... I really don't think that this is an offer that will actually help the people he's offering it to.
I can't speak for anyone else, but you might notice that none of my denigration of Musk was based on his politics. It's all about his character, not his currently professed beliefs. If he was doing this in good faith, I'd appreciate it, but he hasn't shown himself to be a person who does things in good faith.
Personally, I would prefer if bad-faith advertising didn't exist.
It won't. And if it accidentally does, that doesn't make the bad-faith cashing in on a disaster okay.
There's a significant difference between the behaviour of Valve and the behaviour of Oracle; there are absolutely companies that do things in good faith. If you assume all companies are equally bad and act accordingly, then you're punishing any company that acts in good faith.
I'm curious since it doesn't really say, are the $300 kits needed to use it free for a month as well?
It does not. Entering an address in Asheville initially shows this for the normal residential service and this for the Helene Relief service. However, when you proceed to the actual checkout, the hardware costs are not excluded.
This really makes it feel like the offer is just to make headlines for the positive PR spin. If Starlink offered a free 60 day return policy on the hardware, it might feel more genuine.
How precisely are they going to deliver the equipment...
My cousin has the only house still standing in his neighborhood in TN. He said UPS delivered a package to the mobile home half in a sink hole across the street. There's at least 1 UPS driver crazy enough.
I just pictured a UPS truck driving by and tossing a package out the window into the sinkhole.
Jokes aside, glad your cousin's house is still standing at least. That's got to feel so surreal.
Post-Apocalyptic Paperboy reboot? I'd play that.
Maybe they can get a big star to play the titular Paperboy... Like... Norman Reedus...
Man, that'd look good on Rides with Norman Reedus...