Very cool, thanks Bauke! As part of getting ready for public visibility, I've been doing a lot of work lately on getting my own monitoring/statistics working better so that I can notice (and set...
Very cool, thanks Bauke! As part of getting ready for public visibility, I've been doing a lot of work lately on getting my own monitoring/statistics working better so that I can notice (and set up alerts) if there are issues (both technical and community ones).
Here's a screenshot of some of the stats I've been tinkering with (using Grafana) - these charts are all displaying data from the last 6 hours: https://i.imgur.com/mPCchSK.png
One interesting thing you can see in there related to this topic is that the markdown processing quantiles made a huge jump upwards right at the time that you made this post, because it's quite complex (full of tables), so its long processing time had a big effect.
I'm hoping that I'll be able to make all these charts/statistics public eventually, so at some point hopefully we'll have some live-updating stats like this that people will be able to look at whenever they want.
How is the markdown processing so visible on the graph just for the one topic? The generated HTML is cached, right? Looking forward to the graphs being public. Gitlab has a public grafana as well....
How is the markdown processing so visible on the graph just for the one topic? The generated HTML is cached, right?
Looking forward to the graphs being public. Gitlab has a public grafana as well. I'm a sucker for monitoring.
It's cached, yes. A post's markdown is only processed when it's posted, and then only again if it's edited. There are a few factors why it's so visible. It's using quantiles for that chart, with...
It's cached, yes. A post's markdown is only processed when it's posted, and then only again if it's edited.
There are a few factors why it's so visible. It's using quantiles for that chart, with hour-long windows, so they represent something like "90% of all markdown processing in the hour finished inside this amount of time". Since there just aren't that many posts being made/edited right now, it's pretty easy for that one post to end up affecting the 90% quantile, especially if it's edited a few times. Once the site is more active, an outlier like that would only maybe affect the 99% one.
Just in general? It's probably pretty normal to have about 30 labels used a day, but it's been more like 50/day over the last few days with the overall higher activity level.
Just in general? It's probably pretty normal to have about 30 labels used a day, but it's been more like 50/day over the last few days with the overall higher activity level.
Woah! Really? Even on a relatively inactive site such as Tildes has been? Wow! That's... astounding. We didn't get that many reports per day (of all types!) running a subreddit with 10,000-ish...
It's probably pretty normal to have about 30 labels used a day
Woah! Really? Even on a relatively inactive site such as Tildes has been? Wow! That's... astounding. We didn't get that many reports per day (of all types!) running a subreddit with 10,000-ish subscribers.
Are they all justified? Are there actually 30 instances of truly malicious commenting here every day? It would be extremely disappointing if that were true.
Some random observations, comments, and questions: Deimos wasn't exaggerating when he said traffic had been dropping off recently. Would it make more sense to present the users & groups in order...
Some random observations, comments, and questions:
Deimos wasn't exaggerating when he said traffic had been dropping off recently.
Would it make more sense to present the users & groups in order of traffic/quantity of posts, rather than alphabetically?
It's plain where the Tildes community's interests lie: the busiest groups are ~news, ~tech, ~music, ~games, & ~comp (~misc doesn't count).
How the fuck have I made more posts in ~tildes than anyone else??? I've barely posted there!
Yeah, traffic has consistently been drifting downwards for quite a while now. We definitely haven't hit that point of critical mass where the activity is high enough that it's self-sustaining....
Yeah, traffic has consistently been drifting downwards for quite a while now. We definitely haven't hit that point of critical mass where the activity is high enough that it's self-sustaining.
It's mostly that we haven't really had a large burst of interest/invites recently. On some level, that was a bit deliberateโI knew that I was going to be away for a pretty good chunk of December, so I didn't want to have the site in an unstable state during that. I expect that the public visibility will be the next big increase. Afterwards, I hope that it should also be easier to attract new people, since right now the complete inability to see anything about the site without getting an invite first is a pretty big barrier.
Invite links, and some form of anonymous commenting / user application area where people here can ask for invites and get voted in by us all somehow. Let's get the waiting room off of reddit and...
Invite links, and some form of anonymous commenting / user application area where people here can ask for invites and get voted in by us all somehow. Let's get the waiting room off of reddit and moved over here where everyone can pitch in handing out invites. Maybe that can even be a first-pass take at the anon posting system we've talked about for threads that are open for public comment. Start it out as an invite system, see what works, refine it.
Be careful. I got into a submission race with happybadger on listentothis that lasted like four years. I think he's still 80 ahead of me with both of us having over 5k submissions. :P
Be careful. I got into a submission race with happybadger on listentothis that lasted like four years. I think he's still 80 ahead of me with both of us having over 5k submissions. :P
If you go through some of the older threads you will find a lot of usernames who do not seem to have commented on the site for quite a few months, traffic is lagging everywhere. and on that note:...
Deimos wasn't exaggerating when he said traffic had been dropping off recently.
If you go through some of the older threads you will find a lot of usernames who do not seem to have commented on the site for quite a few months, traffic is lagging everywhere. and on that note:
It's plain where the Tildes community's interests lie: the busiest groups are ~news, ~tech, ~music, ~games, & ~comp (~misc doesn't count).
I believe this has a lot to do with where the initial arrivals have come from: mostly Reddit, Gitlab, and other tech oriented sites. And I imagine the invitation system mostly biases in favor of this as well. Not to mention that the very low population means other groups are fairly barren and thus new arrivals who are more interested in them are more likely to be discouraged by a lack of content.
Oh, I know why this site is tech-heavy. It's just that, as a non-tech-type myself, it can sometimes feel a little overwhelming and isolating. It's one reason I'm eager for Deimos to open up the...
I believe this has a lot to do with where the initial arrivals have come from: mostly Reddit, Gitlab, and other tech oriented sites.
Oh, I know why this site is tech-heavy. It's just that, as a non-tech-type myself, it can sometimes feel a little overwhelming and isolating. It's one reason I'm eager for Deimos to open up the site a bit more, so we can get other people in here to increase the variety of contributors and content. (If I wasn't pushing myself to keep finding content for ~humanities, it would be in the bottom 5 groups for activity.)
I was honestly surprised that ~tech was still my top community - my interests and coverage have been fairly broad. I've tried to avoid topics that are already getting heavy coverage elsewhere, and...
I was honestly surprised that ~tech was still my top community - my interests and coverage have been fairly broad. I've tried to avoid topics that are already getting heavy coverage elsewhere, and my day-to-day work has gotten less technical and more project-oriented, so there's less territory where I might add value to the ~comp and ~tech discussion. Tildes is one of the few ~hobbies I can make time for right now, and mostly involves the reading I would do anyway.
It's funny how I saw threads when I first got here talking about how these totals, when they inevitably happened from people scraping the site and despite the fact there was no easy way to see...
It's funny how I saw threads when I first got here talking about how these totals, when they inevitably happened from people scraping the site and despite the fact there was no easy way to see your total upvotes, would just lead to competition and reddit-style "karma farming" on Tildes, and here I see it in action already. I'm not suggesting it'll have a net negative effect here, but a lot of people seem surprised by their "stats." Interesting.
Do you really believe people are actually competing to make more posts / score more votes than other people? I thought @dubteedub's joke about stepping it up was just that: a joke. I didn't take...
would just lead to competition and reddit-style "karma farming" on Tildes, and here I see it in action already.
Do you really believe people are actually competing to make more posts / score more votes than other people? I thought @dubteedub's joke about stepping it up was just that: a joke. I didn't take it seriously.
However, if @dubteedub does makes good on their joke to "step it up" to keep up with me, I think that would be a good thing because it would mean more content for Tildes.
As the most prolific contributor here (apart from Deimos himself), I can assure you that I'm not competing for anything. I'm just trying, for better or worse, to keep content flowing on this website so it doesn't die for lack of activity. In a way, it makes me feel a bit embarrassed and awkward when I come near the top of these statistics (this is the second time I've seen statistics like this). I'm not trying to stand out. I'm just trying to contribute. There's part of me that wishes people like @Bauke would not scrape and display this data, because I don't want the attention.
That's more to my point. There's more than one comment here referencing a desire or need to improve "stats." I find it interesting in an analytical way. @dubteedub's comment is likely...
There's part of me that wishes people like @Bauke would not scrape and display this data, because I don't want the attention.
That's more to my point. There's more than one comment here referencing a desire or need to improve "stats." I find it interesting in an analytical way. @dubteedub's comment is likely tongue-in-cheek, but there is this:
but you still got me beat by a couple hundred
Stat-comparing, no? It may be light-hearted, but it's there. I'm not saying it's negative; it's obviously very natural, since I see it occur again and again across the internet. Be it likes, upvotes, views, visits, whatever stat, people as a whole will inevitably compete to have good stats. Some may abstain or just not care, but the trend is to compete, and it's fascinating.
This quote is yours:
If you've made the Top 10 contributors
Certainly has an air of competition when you refer to "top" anything. Again, no judgement, just interest from a sociological viewpoint.
It wasn't an estimate. It was hard data. Someone else (I want to say crius, but I won't @-tag them just in case I'm wrong) did similar data scraping a few months back, but they left the data...
Algernon had previously estimated he was the most active Tilderino after Deimos
It wasn't an estimate. It was hard data. Someone else (I want to say crius, but I won't @-tag them just in case I'm wrong) did similar data scraping a few months back, but they left the data anonymous. I saw some anomalies in the data, and asked them some questions privately. In that private conversation, they revealed that I was the second-most active Tilder after Deimos.
I may have been being coy because I didn't want to run around saying "I'm the second most prolific poster". It sounds like boasting. How would that work? The data isn't grouped or categorised by...
I thought you had said something like "I'm pretty sure I am the second most prolific poster on Tildes behind Deimos," but you may have been more definitive.
I may have been being coy because I didn't want to run around saying "I'm the second most prolific poster". It sounds like boasting.
I assume being the one really active Australian makes your data pop out a bit more than those of us in North America.
How would that work? The data isn't grouped or categorised by country.
It's nothing to do with anything clever or subtle. It's just the simple fact that I post a lot.
"If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve." :) I don't think posting lots of articles counts in any way as "leadership"! haha
"If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve." :)
I don't think posting lots of articles counts in any way as "leadership"! haha
Except here, someday it will. That's going to factor into the trust system. Don't think of it like being elected - it's more like being drafted against your will. :D
Except here, someday it will. That's going to factor into the trust system. Don't think of it like being elected - it's more like being drafted against your will. :D
Admittedly I'm a little late to this thread. Just trying to do my due diligence and read through previous tilde posts. Gotta get that community lore. Anyways. I was really hoping this was an...
Admittedly I'm a little late to this thread. Just trying to do my due diligence and read through previous tilde posts. Gotta get that community lore.
Anyways. I was really hoping this was an Important If True reference. Petard based jokes don't seem to come up much. Unless that was actually a hamlet reference... in which case I think this site may be too well cultured for me to be allowed ;P
"Hoist by his own petard" is just an old saying that a lot of people use. I didn't know it came from Shakespeare until your reply prompted me to look it up. I don't know what that 'Important If...
"Hoist by his own petard" is just an old saying that a lot of people use. I didn't know it came from Shakespeare until your reply prompted me to look it up.
I don't know what that 'Important If True' thing is that you're talking about.
It's a podcast whose hosts have a tendency to place petards on the ground then proudly stand over them. The phrase "hoisted by my own petard" was used enough that they'd just say "hoisted!" It was...
It's a podcast whose hosts have a tendency to place petards on the ground then proudly stand over them. The phrase "hoisted by my own petard" was used enough that they'd just say "hoisted!"
It was the first/only place I'd heard the phrase so it's got a pretty hard link in my mind. And obviously everyone else on the planet has the same memories as me and thinks just like me, so surely that's where you learned about it too haha
Thank you, but there are quite a few people who would disagree with you... strongly. I have it on good authority I've managed to accumulate more "malice" tags than any other person here. (I have...
Thank you, but there are quite a few people who would disagree with you... strongly. I have it on good authority I've managed to accumulate more "malice" tags than any other person here. (I have been trying to improve my behaviour since I found that out a few weeks ago.)
You're genuinely the reason I tend to read and not comment. I'm terrified of you, and you're everywhere, so I'm nowhere. It takes something I'm reasonably invested in to make me speak on the site...
You're genuinely the reason I tend to read and not comment. I'm terrified of you, and you're everywhere, so I'm nowhere. It takes something I'm reasonably invested in to make me speak on the site these days. :P
I'm sincerely sorry that you feel that way. What can I do to make you less terrified to comment? This is another reason for Deimos to open up the site - to dilute the influence and impact of any...
I'm sincerely sorry that you feel that way.
What can I do to make you less terrified to comment?
This is another reason for Deimos to open up the site - to dilute the influence and impact of any individual user (I'm not the only person who's ubiquitous!).
I never responded to this because I couldn't think of a way you can do anything. I don't like arguing online much. It never goes anywhere, because the kind of people who like to continually engage...
Exemplary
I never responded to this because I couldn't think of a way you can do anything. I don't like arguing online much. It never goes anywhere, because the kind of people who like to continually engage aren't kind of people who admit when they're wrong, or can be swung by discussion, and you're very forceful with your arguments, so I'm scared of saying anything that could potentially be disagreed with.
This is a problem on Reddit as well which is why I only comment there once every two or three months at best. When the site goes public shortly, that'll probably me wiping my hands of it. I don't feel like it's worked out.
I'm wiping my comment history of most of my comments shortly as it is. Just in case I've said anything objectionable to the masses.
Thank you for your honesty. I'm truly sorry you're so intimidated by me. That's really not my intention. I know I'm opinionated and forceful, but there's no malice on my side. My intention in...
Thank you for your honesty. I'm truly sorry you're so intimidated by me. That's really not my intention. I know I'm opinionated and forceful, but there's no malice on my side.
My intention in asking for feedback was not to argue with it. Even I'm not that stupid!
I've wondered a bit about this. Is there some way we could create some form of 'disengage' system that'd basically allow the user to not be bothered by replies to threads/comments? Something...
I've wondered a bit about this. Is there some way we could create some form of 'disengage' system that'd basically allow the user to not be bothered by replies to threads/comments? Something that's basically a 'walk away' mechanism, and the site respects that somehow by not drawing that particular user back to the thread again through the usual mechanisms (reply notifications, username mentions, etc). Perhaps the plans for anonymous commenting could serve that role as well.
We all get sucked in, and sometimes, that's more trouble than it's worth.
I expect that when (if?) I implement that, it would keep the record of who owned the comment for 30 days and then wipe it out (similar to most other private/sensitive data). If it hasn't been an...
I expect that when (if?) I implement that, it would keep the record of who owned the comment for 30 days and then wipe it out (similar to most other private/sensitive data). If it hasn't been an issue in the 30 days since they disowned it, it's very unlikely to matter past that point.
That's not what Amarok was talking about. He's talking about a mechanism where you can choose not to be notified of replies to your comments - like the 'disable inbox replies' option on Reddit.
That's not what Amarok was talking about. He's talking about a mechanism where you can choose not to be notified of replies to your comments - like the 'disable inbox replies' option on Reddit.
Yeah, but something more thread-specific, so that for the mental health of a user, if a thread is annoying them and they want to walk away from it, they can activate this option somehow, and that...
Yeah, but something more thread-specific, so that for the mental health of a user, if a thread is annoying them and they want to walk away from it, they can activate this option somehow, and that thread and anything in it will no longer trigger any such notifications that nag/remind them in the future. It's kinda-sorta related to the concept of a 'hide' mechanic, and it could possibly hide the thread from them so they'll never even see it if it's bumped onto their front page in the future.
I think it's worth a daily discussion sometime. Features that safeguard the mental health of the users of the website seems to me like a largely unexplored space, for-profit websites have zero interest in developing that sort of thing. I'd like to see Tildes take a mental-health-aware approach to the userbase going forward. Perhaps we could find simpler, natural ways to diffuse so many of the bad situations that arise in other discussion forums.
They (sorry, not sure of gender) are definitely a user who doesn't mind being what my mother would call contrary. Always an opposing viewpoint, which can often be nice, but isn't always what the...
They (sorry, not sure of gender) are definitely a user who doesn't mind being what my mother would call contrary. Always an opposing viewpoint, which can often be nice, but isn't always what the reader wants when it's in reply to a strongly-held conviction.
I'm a "he". And, yes, I'm a contrarian. But keep in mind that, if I agree with someone, I'm likely to just vote on their comment and move on, rather than leave a noise-type comment saying "I agree...
I'm a "he".
And, yes, I'm a contrarian. But keep in mind that, if I agree with someone, I'm likely to just vote on their comment and move on, rather than leave a noise-type comment saying "I agree with you." People therefore see only the times I disagree with someone; my agreement is invisible. I suffer from confirmation bias.
But it's not that which is drawing most of the malice tags. I sometimes forget to be diplomatic online, because I'm a direct, honest, and blunt person in real life. That's what I have to improve on.
Well stated, and that clarifies some of the comments I was referring to. I don't think being direct and honest is ever a bad thing, as long as our interpretation of people's words is charitable...
Well stated, and that clarifies some of the comments I was referring to. I don't think being direct and honest is ever a bad thing, as long as our interpretation of people's words is charitable and we're not nitpicking minor points.
Thanks, Bauke, for your efforts in both getting this off the ground, and the helpful analytics. As to contributions, I'm doing the best I can on a limited budget of time, but committed to the...
Thanks, Bauke, for your efforts in both getting this off the ground, and the helpful analytics.
As to contributions, I'm doing the best I can on a limited budget of time, but committed to the Tildes concept and aiming for both quality and uniqueness of material.
Well, it's not precisely top 10, just more than 100 topics. The aim has been at least one a day, but some days are better than others. Mainly, I'll toss up interesting bits from general reading.
Well, it's not precisely top 10, just more than 100 topics. The aim has been at least one a day, but some days are better than others. Mainly, I'll toss up interesting bits from general reading.
i don't really have anything constructive to add - just wanted to say this is really cool lmao. also hell yes ~creative we really out here ๐ ๐ ๐ค
i don't really have anything constructive to add - just wanted to say this is really cool lmao.
also hell yes~creative we really out here ๐ ๐ ๐ค
I find it very interesting that the number of comments and votes are so close to each other. We often talk about the 90/10 rule in tech where only 10% of people contribute to the conversation. The...
I find it very interesting that the number of comments and votes are so close to each other. We often talk about the 90/10 rule in tech where only 10% of people contribute to the conversation. The ratio of votes to comments isn't quite indicative of views to comments, but if you compare votes to comments on Reddit, for example, it's probably close to 90/10 or perhaps even less (wrt participation).
Well we're the initial bunch that's came seeking a proper general purpose discussion forum online, so I'd say that's expected at this point. That'd change depending on how we grow in the future,...
Well we're the initial bunch that's came seeking a proper general purpose discussion forum online, so I'd say that's expected at this point. That'd change depending on how we grow in the future, tho. One reason I support keeping Tildes browsable but invite-only.
I do a ton of voting here, and a lot less commenting, and I believe it's for exactly that reason: I'm a lot more willing to contribute here, even if it's just by voting, because I want this place...
I do a ton of voting here, and a lot less commenting, and I believe it's for exactly that reason: I'm a lot more willing to contribute here, even if it's just by voting, because I want this place to succeed and see the value.
I think you also have to take into account that you need an invite to do anything on Tildes, and getting that invite almost certainly involved requesting it somewhere (reddit, email, etc.). The...
I think you also have to take into account that you need an invite to do anything on Tildes, and getting that invite almost certainly involved requesting it somewhere (reddit, email, etc.). The action of requesting the invite is probably already above the threshold of what most of "the 90" would bother doing, so we're already starting from a group that's more willing to get involved.
Actually... I had my invite just handed to me, without asking! I mentioned to a co-mod that I'd just learned about this new website called Tildes, which I thought he might be interested in. He...
Actually... I had my invite just handed to me, without asking!
I mentioned to a co-mod that I'd just learned about this new website called Tildes, which I thought he might be interested in. He told me he was already on it, and sent me an invite.
Very cool, thanks Bauke! As part of getting ready for public visibility, I've been doing a lot of work lately on getting my own monitoring/statistics working better so that I can notice (and set up alerts) if there are issues (both technical and community ones).
Here's a screenshot of some of the stats I've been tinkering with (using Grafana) - these charts are all displaying data from the last 6 hours: https://i.imgur.com/mPCchSK.png
One interesting thing you can see in there related to this topic is that the markdown processing quantiles made a huge jump upwards right at the time that you made this post, because it's quite complex (full of tables), so its long processing time had a big effect.
I'm hoping that I'll be able to make all these charts/statistics public eventually, so at some point hopefully we'll have some live-updating stats like this that people will be able to look at whenever they want.
How is the markdown processing so visible on the graph just for the one topic? The generated HTML is cached, right?
Looking forward to the graphs being public. Gitlab has a public grafana as well. I'm a sucker for monitoring.
It's cached, yes. A post's markdown is only processed when it's posted, and then only again if it's edited.
There are a few factors why it's so visible. It's using quantiles for that chart, with hour-long windows, so they represent something like "90% of all markdown processing in the hour finished inside this amount of time". Since there just aren't that many posts being made/edited right now, it's pretty easy for that one post to end up affecting the 90% quantile, especially if it's edited a few times. Once the site is more active, an outlier like that would only maybe affect the 99% one.
Just in general? It's probably pretty normal to have about 30 labels used a day, but it's been more like 50/day over the last few days with the overall higher activity level.
Woah! Really? Even on a relatively inactive site such as Tildes has been? Wow! That's... astounding. We didn't get that many reports per day (of all types!) running a subreddit with 10,000-ish subscribers.
Are they all justified? Are there actually 30 instances of truly malicious commenting here every day? It would be extremely disappointing if that were true.
Yeah, all labels. Malice labels is more around the 0-3/day range.
Oh. That's much less worrisome!
But @deing asked about Malice labels specifically, so I assumed that's what @Deimos was talking about.
Some random observations, comments, and questions:
Deimos wasn't exaggerating when he said traffic had been dropping off recently.
Would it make more sense to present the users & groups in order of traffic/quantity of posts, rather than alphabetically?
It's plain where the Tildes community's interests lie: the busiest groups are ~news, ~tech, ~music, ~games, & ~comp (~misc doesn't count).
How the fuck have I made more posts in ~tildes than anyone else??? I've barely posted there!
Yeah, traffic has consistently been drifting downwards for quite a while now. We definitely haven't hit that point of critical mass where the activity is high enough that it's self-sustaining.
It's mostly that we haven't really had a large burst of interest/invites recently. On some level, that was a bit deliberateโI knew that I was going to be away for a pretty good chunk of December, so I didn't want to have the site in an unstable state during that. I expect that the public visibility will be the next big increase. Afterwards, I hope that it should also be easier to attract new people, since right now the complete inability to see anything about the site without getting an invite first is a pretty big barrier.
Invite links, and some form of anonymous commenting / user application area where people here can ask for invites and get voted in by us all somehow. Let's get the waiting room off of reddit and moved over here where everyone can pitch in handing out invites. Maybe that can even be a first-pass take at the anon posting system we've talked about for threads that are open for public comment. Start it out as an invite system, see what works, refine it.
Thanks!
Well... yes. If I'd thought about it, I would have assumed the same.
Challenge accepted? :)
Be careful. I got into a submission race with happybadger on listentothis that lasted like four years. I think he's still 80 ahead of me with both of us having over 5k submissions. :P
If you go through some of the older threads you will find a lot of usernames who do not seem to have commented on the site for quite a few months, traffic is lagging everywhere. and on that note:
I believe this has a lot to do with where the initial arrivals have come from: mostly Reddit, Gitlab, and other tech oriented sites. And I imagine the invitation system mostly biases in favor of this as well. Not to mention that the very low population means other groups are fairly barren and thus new arrivals who are more interested in them are more likely to be discouraged by a lack of content.
Oh, I know why this site is tech-heavy. It's just that, as a non-tech-type myself, it can sometimes feel a little overwhelming and isolating. It's one reason I'm eager for Deimos to open up the site a bit more, so we can get other people in here to increase the variety of contributors and content. (If I wasn't pushing myself to keep finding content for ~humanities, it would be in the bottom 5 groups for activity.)
I was honestly surprised that ~tech was still my top community - my interests and coverage have been fairly broad. I've tried to avoid topics that are already getting heavy coverage elsewhere, and my day-to-day work has gotten less technical and more project-oriented, so there's less territory where I might add value to the ~comp and ~tech discussion. Tildes is one of the few ~hobbies I can make time for right now, and mostly involves the reading I would do anyway.
It's funny how I saw threads when I first got here talking about how these totals, when they inevitably happened from people scraping the site and despite the fact there was no easy way to see your total upvotes, would just lead to competition and reddit-style "karma farming" on Tildes, and here I see it in action already. I'm not suggesting it'll have a net negative effect here, but a lot of people seem surprised by their "stats." Interesting.
Do you really believe people are actually competing to make more posts / score more votes than other people? I thought @dubteedub's joke about stepping it up was just that: a joke. I didn't take it seriously.
However, if @dubteedub does makes good on their joke to "step it up" to keep up with me, I think that would be a good thing because it would mean more content for Tildes.
As the most prolific contributor here (apart from Deimos himself), I can assure you that I'm not competing for anything. I'm just trying, for better or worse, to keep content flowing on this website so it doesn't die for lack of activity. In a way, it makes me feel a bit embarrassed and awkward when I come near the top of these statistics (this is the second time I've seen statistics like this). I'm not trying to stand out. I'm just trying to contribute. There's part of me that wishes people like @Bauke would not scrape and display this data, because I don't want the attention.
That's more to my point. There's more than one comment here referencing a desire or need to improve "stats." I find it interesting in an analytical way. @dubteedub's comment is likely tongue-in-cheek, but there is this:
Stat-comparing, no? It may be light-hearted, but it's there. I'm not saying it's negative; it's obviously very natural, since I see it occur again and again across the internet. Be it likes, upvotes, views, visits, whatever stat, people as a whole will inevitably compete to have good stats. Some may abstain or just not care, but the trend is to compete, and it's fascinating.
This quote is yours:
Certainly has an air of competition when you refer to "top" anything. Again, no judgement, just interest from a sociological viewpoint.
It wasn't an estimate. It was hard data. Someone else (I want to say crius, but I won't @-tag them just in case I'm wrong) did similar data scraping a few months back, but they left the data anonymous. I saw some anomalies in the data, and asked them some questions privately. In that private conversation, they revealed that I was the second-most active Tilder after Deimos.
I may have been being coy because I didn't want to run around saying "I'm the second most prolific poster". It sounds like boasting.
How would that work? The data isn't grouped or categorised by country.
It's nothing to do with anything clever or subtle. It's just the simple fact that I post a lot.
But they're not, so the point is moot.
I'm confused.
Might as well just make /u/Algernon_Asimov the community leader at this point.
"If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve." :)
I don't think posting lots of articles counts in any way as "leadership"! haha
Except here, someday it will. That's going to factor into the trust system. Don't think of it like being elected - it's more like being drafted against your will. :D
Bugger! Hoist by my own petard. :)
Admittedly I'm a little late to this thread. Just trying to do my due diligence and read through previous tilde posts. Gotta get that community lore.
Anyways. I was really hoping this was an Important If True reference. Petard based jokes don't seem to come up much. Unless that was actually a hamlet reference... in which case I think this site may be too well cultured for me to be allowed ;P
"Hoist by his own petard" is just an old saying that a lot of people use. I didn't know it came from Shakespeare until your reply prompted me to look it up.
I don't know what that 'Important If True' thing is that you're talking about.
It's a podcast whose hosts have a tendency to place petards on the ground then proudly stand over them. The phrase "hoisted by my own petard" was used enough that they'd just say "hoisted!"
It was the first/only place I'd heard the phrase so it's got a pretty hard link in my mind. And obviously everyone else on the planet has the same memories as me and thinks just like me, so surely that's where you learned about it too haha
I'm glad Algernon's here, one of the best persons I've interacted online!
Thank you, but there are quite a few people who would disagree with you... strongly. I have it on good authority I've managed to accumulate more "malice" tags than any other person here. (I have been trying to improve my behaviour since I found that out a few weeks ago.)
You're genuinely the reason I tend to read and not comment. I'm terrified of you, and you're everywhere, so I'm nowhere. It takes something I'm reasonably invested in to make me speak on the site these days. :P
I'm sincerely sorry that you feel that way.
What can I do to make you less terrified to comment?
This is another reason for Deimos to open up the site - to dilute the influence and impact of any individual user (I'm not the only person who's ubiquitous!).
I never responded to this because I couldn't think of a way you can do anything. I don't like arguing online much. It never goes anywhere, because the kind of people who like to continually engage aren't kind of people who admit when they're wrong, or can be swung by discussion, and you're very forceful with your arguments, so I'm scared of saying anything that could potentially be disagreed with.
This is a problem on Reddit as well which is why I only comment there once every two or three months at best. When the site goes public shortly, that'll probably me wiping my hands of it. I don't feel like it's worked out.
I'm wiping my comment history of most of my comments shortly as it is. Just in case I've said anything objectionable to the masses.
Thank you for your honesty. I'm truly sorry you're so intimidated by me. That's really not my intention. I know I'm opinionated and forceful, but there's no malice on my side.
My intention in asking for feedback was not to argue with it. Even I'm not that stupid!
Sorry.
I've wondered a bit about this. Is there some way we could create some form of 'disengage' system that'd basically allow the user to not be bothered by replies to threads/comments? Something that's basically a 'walk away' mechanism, and the site respects that somehow by not drawing that particular user back to the thread again through the usual mechanisms (reply notifications, username mentions, etc). Perhaps the plans for anonymous commenting could serve that role as well.
We all get sucked in, and sometimes, that's more trouble than it's worth.
I expect that when (if?) I implement that, it would keep the record of who owned the comment for 30 days and then wipe it out (similar to most other private/sensitive data). If it hasn't been an issue in the 30 days since they disowned it, it's very unlikely to matter past that point.
That's not what Amarok was talking about. He's talking about a mechanism where you can choose not to be notified of replies to your comments - like the 'disable inbox replies' option on Reddit.
Yeah, but something more thread-specific, so that for the mental health of a user, if a thread is annoying them and they want to walk away from it, they can activate this option somehow, and that thread and anything in it will no longer trigger any such notifications that nag/remind them in the future. It's kinda-sorta related to the concept of a 'hide' mechanic, and it could possibly hide the thread from them so they'll never even see it if it's bumped onto their front page in the future.
I think it's worth a daily discussion sometime. Features that safeguard the mental health of the users of the website seems to me like a largely unexplored space, for-profit websites have zero interest in developing that sort of thing. I'd like to see Tildes take a mental-health-aware approach to the userbase going forward. Perhaps we could find simpler, natural ways to diffuse so many of the bad situations that arise in other discussion forums.
They (sorry, not sure of gender) are definitely a user who doesn't mind being what my mother would call contrary. Always an opposing viewpoint, which can often be nice, but isn't always what the reader wants when it's in reply to a strongly-held conviction.
I'm a "he".
And, yes, I'm a contrarian. But keep in mind that, if I agree with someone, I'm likely to just vote on their comment and move on, rather than leave a noise-type comment saying "I agree with you." People therefore see only the times I disagree with someone; my agreement is invisible. I suffer from confirmation bias.
But it's not that which is drawing most of the malice tags. I sometimes forget to be diplomatic online, because I'm a direct, honest, and blunt person in real life. That's what I have to improve on.
(cc: @dubteedub)
Well stated, and that clarifies some of the comments I was referring to. I don't think being direct and honest is ever a bad thing, as long as our interpretation of people's words is charitable and we're not nitpicking minor points.
I enjoy a good argument. I think that's something of an acquired taste for most people. :)
Thanks, Bauke, for your efforts in both getting this off the ground, and the helpful analytics.
As to contributions, I'm doing the best I can on a limited budget of time, but committed to the Tildes concept and aiming for both quality and uniqueness of material.
If you've made the Top 10 contributors, I don't think you need to apologise for not doing enough!
Well, it's not precisely top 10, just more than 100 topics. The aim has been at least one a day, but some days are better than others. Mainly, I'll toss up interesting bits from general reading.
Fine: Top 16! :P
It's still nothing for you to apologise for.
Surprise, surprise - Tildes' busiest time is during American weekdays! Who'd'a thunk it? :P
i don't really have anything constructive to add - just wanted to say this is really cool lmao.
also hell yes ~creative we really out here ๐ ๐ ๐ค
I find it very interesting that the number of comments and votes are so close to each other. We often talk about the 90/10 rule in tech where only 10% of people contribute to the conversation. The ratio of votes to comments isn't quite indicative of views to comments, but if you compare votes to comments on Reddit, for example, it's probably close to 90/10 or perhaps even less (wrt participation).
Well we're the initial bunch that's came seeking a proper general purpose discussion forum online, so I'd say that's expected at this point. That'd change depending on how we grow in the future, tho. One reason I support keeping Tildes browsable but invite-only.
I do a ton of voting here, and a lot less commenting, and I believe it's for exactly that reason: I'm a lot more willing to contribute here, even if it's just by voting, because I want this place to succeed and see the value.
I think you also have to take into account that you need an invite to do anything on Tildes, and getting that invite almost certainly involved requesting it somewhere (reddit, email, etc.). The action of requesting the invite is probably already above the threshold of what most of "the 90" would bother doing, so we're already starting from a group that's more willing to get involved.
Actually... I had my invite just handed to me, without asking!
I mentioned to a co-mod that I'd just learned about this new website called Tildes, which I thought he might be interested in. He told me he was already on it, and sent me an invite.
So you can all blame him!