How are EVs going to kill auto manufacturing jobs? How would another Trump presidency stop this? He promised to bring back/create more manufacturing jobs in his first campaign by breaking trade...
How are EVs going to kill auto manufacturing jobs? How would another Trump presidency stop this? He promised to bring back/create more manufacturing jobs in his first campaign by breaking trade treaties, despite that being wholly outside the power of the Presidency. And he failed.
Looks to me like he's just pointing at something kinda new and telling people the new thing is a threat to them without a shred of evidence to back it up, then saying he'll put a stop to it, even though he's running for an office that doesn't have the power to do that.
God, it's tiring having to listen to this asinine election year bullshit, and with this asshole it's election year every year.
He went to speak on behalf of oil companies is my guess. "Don't focus on improving your lot, instead live in fear of green initiatives that will destroy your jobs/the economy. " Like automotive...
He went to speak on behalf of oil companies is my guess. "Don't focus on improving your lot, instead live in fear of green initiatives that will destroy your jobs/the economy. "
Like automotive companies won't also need workers to make EVs?
EVs are (can be) simpler to manufacture. They should have fewer parts, and most of those parts don't even move. Manual labour jobs will be lost in this transition, though there's a huge expanding...
How are EVs going to kill auto manufacturing jobs?
EVs are (can be) simpler to manufacture. They should have fewer parts, and most of those parts don't even move.
Manual labour jobs will be lost in this transition, though there's a huge expanding industry of battery science/chemical engineering. The engineering jobs focused on making "better" combustion engines may also not transition well. Electric motors have been around for over a century and are already quite efficient. Paying someone to try to make it go from 93 -> 94% efficient may not be worth the returns for individual companies.
Which means there would be more jobs in... Research and development. With an increase in the amount of higher educated people, that sounds like a solid transition if anything. While the US needs...
Which means there would be more jobs in... Research and development. With an increase in the amount of higher educated people, that sounds like a solid transition if anything.
While the US needs more trains and public transportation if anything, that would still be very useful for society as a whole.
Issues: While there will be an increase in R&D jobs, it's not 1:1 with the manufacturing jobs. So this equals job loss, which cascades further as the jobs that supported those jobs also disappear....
Issues:
While there will be an increase in R&D jobs, it's not 1:1 with the manufacturing jobs. So this equals job loss, which cascades further as the jobs that supported those jobs also disappear.
Not everyone is capable, be it financially or intellectually, of transferring to a higher education job. I should find a better way to say this, but some people just peak at bolting things together, no amount of schooling is going to get them to understand complex chemical engineering. Progress shouldn't be stopped because someone's skillset is no longer useful, but they shouldn't have to starve either.
Both good points. As you may be able to tell, I'm a bit tired of the whole zero sum stuff about jobs. :') Considering many other companies struggle getting all vacancies filled I think it would be...
Both good points. As you may be able to tell, I'm a bit tired of the whole zero sum stuff about jobs. :')
Considering many other companies struggle getting all vacancies filled I think it would be more than fine. That said, I also kinda like that. Workers had to deal with having the lower hand in negotiations for so long. It's about time to finally see the opposite flow as well in my opinion.
The solution is something like mincome though, not makework jobs. The real challenge (beyond fixing the system so sufficient and equitable taxes are actually paid by corporations) is retooling...
but they shouldn't have to starve either.
The solution is something like mincome though, not makework jobs. The real challenge (beyond fixing the system so sufficient and equitable taxes are actually paid by corporations) is retooling society to make people not feel useless, even when they are not economically productive.
I feel like this is phrased a bit unfairly towards the people bolting things together. That's their job, for whichever reason. It's probably not their dream job, but they have to make a living....
I feel like this is phrased a bit unfairly towards the people bolting things together.
That's their job, for whichever reason. It's probably not their dream job, but they have to make a living. The can be 200IQ geniuses but at 40years old with a family and obligations, no-one wants, or can, take 3-4years off to get a degree.
Talk of "transfer to a more specialized/higher education job" mostly refers to society, not to individuals. 4000factory workers are not going to become 1000 coders, 2000 chemical engineers and 2000 particle physicists.
It is a solid transition, but that’s big picture. For a lot of voters the idea that their particular job will disappear is a more pressing matter. So Trump is doing a good job at reading the...
It is a solid transition, but that’s big picture. For a lot of voters the idea that their particular job will disappear is a more pressing matter. So Trump is doing a good job at reading the audience. Kind of scary because it may be a repeat of the 2016 election.
That's good for the US isn't it? We're not price competitive with other countries at manual labor jobs, but we can be price competitive with capital intensive jobs.
Manual labour jobs will be lost in this transition, though there's a huge expanding industry of battery science/chemical engineering.
That's good for the US isn't it? We're not price competitive with other countries at manual labor jobs, but we can be price competitive with capital intensive jobs.
It's probably a good thing in the long term, but from what I know about the American social support system, it's going to be bad for the people who lose their jobs due to this transition. It's...
It's probably a good thing in the long term, but from what I know about the American social support system, it's going to be bad for the people who lose their jobs due to this transition.
It's also not a 1:1 transition - more jobs will be lost than gained. But maybe this is the time for another major industrial revolution. The first one came with 8 hour work days and weekends. Maybe the next will be the 4 or 3 day work week.
Are you talking about the people who are currently on strike? You don't think many of them exist? Am I misunderstanding something? Looking up different reported numbers, there are likely in the...
Are you talking about the people who are currently on strike? You don't think many of them exist? Am I misunderstanding something? Looking up different reported numbers, there are likely in the vicinity of a million--if not more--"motor vehicles and parts manufacturing employees" in the country.
A 1% increase in efficiency will be more than a 1% increase in battery life. An EV battery costs ~$8000, 1% of that will be ~$80/battery. If the company sells 100 000 cars, then that's a total...
Paying someone to try to make it go from 93 -> 94% efficient may not be worth the returns for individual companies.
A 1% increase in efficiency will be more than a 1% increase in battery life. An EV battery costs ~$8000, 1% of that will be ~$80/battery. If the company sells 100 000 cars, then that's a total gain of $8 million, and even more when you consider that reducing battery size will also lighten the car and thus incur other savings.
Your numbers may have just been for effect, but the problem here is that your entire argument is speculation: we flatly don't know whether an electric car manufacturing line will empirically hold more jobs or less, compared to ICE car lines.
My numbers were not just for effect. Brushless electric motors are already up to 96% efficient. This is a very mature technology. I'm not saying there's no room for improvement, but I am saying...
Your numbers may have just been for effect
My numbers were not just for effect. Brushless electric motors are already up to 96% efficient. This is a very mature technology. I'm not saying there's no room for improvement, but I am saying that the improvements that might be found will be minimal next to improvements in other areas (such as battery technology). R&D efforts should be (and are) focused on batteries to get the best "bang for your buck".
the problem here is that your entire argument is speculation
It's not. We already know that there are fewer parts in EVs. The major vehicle manufacturers all already have at least one model. They're easier to assemble, and the assembly lines have fewer workers. Many of the workers are being replaced by robots, which are often both faster and safer. This isn't speculation, it's already happening.
No arguing here, but efficiency gains are possible and in fact have already happened. The motor is just one part of the equation after all. To give you a real world example my early model Nissan...
No arguing here, but efficiency gains are possible and in fact have already happened. The motor is just one part of the equation after all. To give you a real world example my early model Nissan Leaf got about 3.4 mi/KWh while my nearly 10 years newer Chevy Bolt gets around 4.4 mi/KWh. That is a fairly massive increase, especially considering that the Bolt is a bigger heavier car.
It wouldn't. He's just a populist windbag who says things that sound good to ignorant morons like him. I'm surprised he's still talking, I figured he'd be too busy circling the drain after New...
How would another Trump presidency stop this?
It wouldn't. He's just a populist windbag who says things that sound good to ignorant morons like him. I'm surprised he's still talking, I figured he'd be too busy circling the drain after New York torpedoed his shady business empire.
Hanlon's razor doesn't apply to Trump, you don't need to pretend he's arguing in any sort of good faith. Anyone who can provide a sane discussion will definitionally have their own thoughts, and...
Hanlon's razor doesn't apply to Trump, you don't need to pretend he's arguing in any sort of good faith. Anyone who can provide a sane discussion will definitionally have their own thoughts, and thus we don't need to speculate what Trump is thinking when he speaks his bullshit.
I'm not pretending, I'm illustrating how terribly hollow and shallow his promises are by asking simple, obvious questions about his claims. It only takes a millisecond of critical thought to see...
I'm not pretending, I'm illustrating how terribly hollow and shallow his promises are by asking simple, obvious questions about his claims. It only takes a millisecond of critical thought to see through his bullshit, and yet roughly 30% of the US is in his thrall.
I cannot and probably will never understand his appeal.
I'm not American -- and I'm thinking I might just ignore the bulk of their election this time around. Too many idiots. It was kind of funny until they won.
I'm not American -- and I'm thinking I might just ignore the bulk of their election this time around. Too many idiots. It was kind of funny until they won.
Personally I look forward to Peacock and NBC's around the clock coverage of the former president who said he would try and hang them for treason if he were elected (I am sadly not making this shit...
Personally I look forward to Peacock and NBC's around the clock coverage of the former president who said he would try and hang them for treason if he were elected (I am sadly not making this shit up). They'll happily gobble up the ratings as they elect the person who sends them to the guillotine.
Often times I try to think (about most politicians) "Okay, how was this taken out of context" but with Trump, I'm almost never surprised. Said Trump, speaking at a heavy truck and transmission...
Often times I try to think (about most politicians) "Okay, how was this taken out of context" but with Trump, I'm almost never surprised.
It doesn’t make a damn bit of difference what you get because in two years you’re all going to be out of business,
Said Trump, speaking at a heavy truck and transmission gear company. He may be right in this case, since the company that he was speaking at has their head in the sand and hasn't diversified production.
Leaving aside the Great Pretender, it's worth talking about what deindustrialization has meant politically. I'm very familiar with the Michigan industrial ecosystem, and graduated from high school...
Leaving aside the Great Pretender, it's worth talking about what deindustrialization has meant politically. I'm very familiar with the Michigan industrial ecosystem, and graduated from high school into the teeth of the 1980's Detroit-area jobs collapse that high fuel costs and Japanese auto competition wrought.
The white, suburban blue-collar Reagan Democrats (now Trump supporters) had seen the collapse of their living standards. The Black union auto workers were hit far worse with the collapse in value of Detroit city real estate and corresponding loss of tax-based services, but remained loyal to the Democratic Party on civil rights. The blue-collar workers hadn't gone to college because having enough manual skills meant a good living at union wages. They were told to blame their unions for being corrupt (they often were) and demanding too much for U.S. industry to be globally competitive. They were told that the Democratic Party was responsible for the high gas prices*, and complicit in corruption and outsourcing (it often was, but the Republican Party was far more so). Sounds familiar?
Second verse, same as the first...
A couple of generations later, most of the thousands of small machine and specialty fabrication shops that distributed adequately paid manual jobs across the state have closed. They were non-union, but with wages propped up by prevailing union standards. As a result of the industrial job loss, many small cities in rural areas have nearly collapsed. They didn't have enough attractions and educated workers left to get by on services industries or tourism. Even the surviving rural communities are sharply split between well-paid, often unionized knowledge workers (healthcare, law, education, information technology, etc.) and low-paid non-union manual industries (farming, very small scale specialty manufacturing, food service, retail, etc.). The kids of the Reagan Democrats have moved away when they can, or stayed to face much worse conditions than their parents grew up with. The ones who stay are generally right-wing leaning as a result of surviving tough job market conditions and thinking they made it on their own when they're often making ends meet through property inheritances from better times (for White people). They're resentful that education, infrastructure maintenance, and other government services are bad (loss of tax revenue and intentional depletion through Republican Party policy).
It's so easy for the wealthiest to set these very distinct groups against each other that it's barely necessary to propagandize any more. But Fox News has done the job anyway - the collapse of jobs means that people use the "free" information sources that match their polarization. This is prime Trump country. I'm terrified that much of Biden's meager, often backwards-looking industrial policy is too long-term, not easy to articulate, and won't stir up enough enthusiasm to make a difference here. The photo-op with the strikers is great, but won't sway the generations who've suffered from lack of jobs and union representation.
*The Democratic Party's policies weren't directly responsible for high oil prices, except as a consequence of participating in decades-long geopolitical Great Game oil strategies (including the formation of Israel from Palestine made possible through hegemony over Central Asia and the Middle East) and competition with Russia that originated in the UK before the turn of the 20th Century. Not something you can easily explain to people with only high-school U.S. history education, using 30 second sound bites or debating points.
Former U.S. President Donald Trump said on Wednesday it was not important whether striking union autoworkers secured a favorable deal in negotiations with big carmakers because the shift to electric vehicles would soon make them obsolete.
"It doesn’t make a damn bit of difference what you get because in two years you’re all going to be out of business," Trump told blue-collar workers gathered at a non-union auto supplier outside Detroit.
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As his Republican rivals gathered onstage in California for their second primary debate, Trump was in battleground Michigan Wednesday night working to win over blue-collar voters by lambasting President Joe Biden and his push for electric cars in the midst of an autoworkers’ strike.
“A vote for President Trump means the future of the automobile will be made in America,” Trump said at Drake Enterprises, a non-unionized auto parts supplier in Clinton Township, about a half-hour outside Detroit.
The Republican front-runner’s trip comes a day after Biden became the first sitting president in U.S. history to walk a picket line as he joined United Auto Workers in Detroit. The union is pushing for higher wages, shorter work weeks and assurances from the country’s top automakers that new electric vehicle jobs will be unionized.
The dueling appearances preview what will likely be a chief dynamic of the 2024 general election, which increasingly looks like a rematch between Trump and Biden. Michigan is expected to again be a critical battleground state as both candidates try to paint themselves as champions of the working class.
Trump’s decision to skip another debate comes as he maintains a commanding lead in the GOP primary — even as he faces four separate criminal indictments — and as his campaign works to pivot to the general election months before primary voting begins next year.
Drake Enterprises makes automotive and heavy-duty truck components, including gear shift levers for semi-trucks, said its president Nathan Stemple, who noted a shift to electric cars would cripple him.
While Trump aides had said his audience would include several hundred current and former UAW members, as well as members of plumbers and pipefitters unions, the crowd also included many non-union workers who support the former president. Some said they had been invited by people who did business with Drake; others said they had simply arrived at the factory Wednesday afternoon and been allowed to attend.
Tony Duronio, 64, a longtime Trump supporter and real estate broker who lives in Clinton Township, said he received an invitation from a group called Autoworkers for Trump. Duronio praised the economy during Trump’s time in office and echoed the former president’s criticism of electric vehicles: “Nobody wants ‘em,” he said — and applauded Trump’s decision to skip the debate.
“He’s the frontrunner. He doesn’t have any competition,” he said. “Look, if it ain’t him, I may stay home ’cause the rest are no different than Biden.”
The former president has tried to use the strike to drive a wedge between Biden and union workers, a constituency that helped pave the way for his surprise 2016 victory. Trump in that election won over voters in Democratic strongholds like Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, fundamentally reshaping voting alliances as he railed against global trade deals and vowed to resurrect dying manufacturing towns.
But Biden won those states back in 2020 as he emphasized his working-class roots and commitment to organized labor. He often calls himself the “ most pro-union president” in U.S. history and argues the investments his administration is making in green energy and electric vehicle manufacturing will ensure the future of the industry unfolds in the U.S.
Trump, in his speech, tried to cast Biden as hostile to the auto industry and workers, using extreme rhetoric to claim the industry was “being assassinated.” He insisted Biden’s embrace of electric vehicles — a key component of his clean-energy agenda — will ultimately lead to lost jobs, amplifying the concerns of some autoworkers who worry that electric cars require fewer people to manufacture and that there is no guarantee factories that produce them will be unionized.
“He’s selling you out to China, he’s selling you out to the environmental extremists and the radical left, people who have no idea how bad this is going to be for the environment,” Trump told his crowd, flanked by American flags and pallets of auto parts.
While Trump has cast himself as pro-worker, he has clashed repeatedly with union leadership and tried to turn union members against their leaders. In a recent campaign video, he urged autoworkers not to pay union dues and claimed their leaders have “got some deals going for themselves.” “I WILL KEEP YOUR JOBS AND MAKE YOU RICH!!!” he has told them.
Just hours before Trump’s visit, the UAW posted a video on its Facebook page protesting factory closures by Detroit’s automakers that included 2017 footage of Trump telling a northern Ohio crowd that auto jobs would be coming back. Two years later, General Motors closed a huge assembly plant in Lordstown, Ohio, costing thousands of jobs.
While the union has withheld its support for Biden after endorsing him in 2020, UAW President Shawn Fain appeared at Biden’s side during his visit Tuesday and criticized Trump.
“I don’t think he cares about working-class people. I think he cares about the billionaire class, he cares about the corporate interests. I think he’s just trying to pander to people and say what they want to hear, and it’s a shame,” Fain said.
Trump is the king of stupid takes, the worst part is I'm sure it's not even an original thought for him. Someone with a lot to lose to EV's told him to say this.
Trump is the king of stupid takes, the worst part is I'm sure it's not even an original thought for him. Someone with a lot to lose to EV's told him to say this.
How are EVs going to kill auto manufacturing jobs? How would another Trump presidency stop this? He promised to bring back/create more manufacturing jobs in his first campaign by breaking trade treaties, despite that being wholly outside the power of the Presidency. And he failed.
Looks to me like he's just pointing at something kinda new and telling people the new thing is a threat to them without a shred of evidence to back it up, then saying he'll put a stop to it, even though he's running for an office that doesn't have the power to do that.
God, it's tiring having to listen to this asinine election year bullshit, and with this asshole it's election year every year.
He went to speak on behalf of oil companies is my guess. "Don't focus on improving your lot, instead live in fear of green initiatives that will destroy your jobs/the economy. "
Like automotive companies won't also need workers to make EVs?
EVs are (can be) simpler to manufacture. They should have fewer parts, and most of those parts don't even move.
Manual labour jobs will be lost in this transition, though there's a huge expanding industry of battery science/chemical engineering. The engineering jobs focused on making "better" combustion engines may also not transition well. Electric motors have been around for over a century and are already quite efficient. Paying someone to try to make it go from 93 -> 94% efficient may not be worth the returns for individual companies.
Which means there would be more jobs in... Research and development. With an increase in the amount of higher educated people, that sounds like a solid transition if anything.
While the US needs more trains and public transportation if anything, that would still be very useful for society as a whole.
Issues:
Both good points. As you may be able to tell, I'm a bit tired of the whole zero sum stuff about jobs. :')
Considering many other companies struggle getting all vacancies filled I think it would be more than fine. That said, I also kinda like that. Workers had to deal with having the lower hand in negotiations for so long. It's about time to finally see the opposite flow as well in my opinion.
The solution is something like mincome though, not makework jobs. The real challenge (beyond fixing the system so sufficient and equitable taxes are actually paid by corporations) is retooling society to make people not feel useless, even when they are not economically productive.
I feel like this is phrased a bit unfairly towards the people bolting things together.
That's their job, for whichever reason. It's probably not their dream job, but they have to make a living. The can be 200IQ geniuses but at 40years old with a family and obligations, no-one wants, or can, take 3-4years off to get a degree.
Talk of "transfer to a more specialized/higher education job" mostly refers to society, not to individuals. 4000factory workers are not going to become 1000 coders, 2000 chemical engineers and 2000 particle physicists.
It is a solid transition, but that’s big picture. For a lot of voters the idea that their particular job will disappear is a more pressing matter. So Trump is doing a good job at reading the audience. Kind of scary because it may be a repeat of the 2016 election.
That's good for the US isn't it? We're not price competitive with other countries at manual labor jobs, but we can be price competitive with capital intensive jobs.
It's probably a good thing in the long term, but from what I know about the American social support system, it's going to be bad for the people who lose their jobs due to this transition.
It's also not a 1:1 transition - more jobs will be lost than gained. But maybe this is the time for another major industrial revolution. The first one came with 8 hour work days and weekends. Maybe the next will be the 4 or 3 day work week.
I don’t think those jobs exist in the US presently was my point. Like I think many of them have already been outsourced.
Are you talking about the people who are currently on strike? You don't think many of them exist? Am I misunderstanding something? Looking up different reported numbers, there are likely in the vicinity of a million--if not more--"motor vehicles and parts manufacturing employees" in the country.
A 1% increase in efficiency will be more than a 1% increase in battery life. An EV battery costs ~$8000, 1% of that will be ~$80/battery. If the company sells 100 000 cars, then that's a total gain of $8 million, and even more when you consider that reducing battery size will also lighten the car and thus incur other savings.
Your numbers may have just been for effect, but the problem here is that your entire argument is speculation: we flatly don't know whether an electric car manufacturing line will empirically hold more jobs or less, compared to ICE car lines.
My numbers were not just for effect. Brushless electric motors are already up to 96% efficient. This is a very mature technology. I'm not saying there's no room for improvement, but I am saying that the improvements that might be found will be minimal next to improvements in other areas (such as battery technology). R&D efforts should be (and are) focused on batteries to get the best "bang for your buck".
It's not. We already know that there are fewer parts in EVs. The major vehicle manufacturers all already have at least one model. They're easier to assemble, and the assembly lines have fewer workers. Many of the workers are being replaced by robots, which are often both faster and safer. This isn't speculation, it's already happening.
No arguing here, but efficiency gains are possible and in fact have already happened. The motor is just one part of the equation after all. To give you a real world example my early model Nissan Leaf got about 3.4 mi/KWh while my nearly 10 years newer Chevy Bolt gets around 4.4 mi/KWh. That is a fairly massive increase, especially considering that the Bolt is a bigger heavier car.
It wouldn't. He's just a populist windbag who says things that sound good to ignorant morons like him. I'm surprised he's still talking, I figured he'd be too busy circling the drain after New York torpedoed his shady business empire.
Hanlon's razor doesn't apply to Trump, you don't need to pretend he's arguing in any sort of good faith. Anyone who can provide a sane discussion will definitionally have their own thoughts, and thus we don't need to speculate what Trump is thinking when he speaks his bullshit.
I'm not pretending, I'm illustrating how terribly hollow and shallow his promises are by asking simple, obvious questions about his claims. It only takes a millisecond of critical thought to see through his bullshit, and yet roughly 30% of the US is in his thrall.
I cannot and probably will never understand his appeal.
I don't think this Trump guy understands the subject.
Baffling thing is, you could say that for almost any subject.
I'm not American -- and I'm thinking I might just ignore the bulk of their election this time around. Too many idiots. It was kind of funny until they won.
Personally I look forward to Peacock and NBC's around the clock coverage of the former president who said he would try and hang them for treason if he were elected (I am sadly not making this shit up). They'll happily gobble up the ratings as they elect the person who sends them to the guillotine.
i hereby grant you the title of ‘tomf’s political coverage viewing tribute’ and thank you for your service.
It's been an honor tomf, thank you.
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I'll have to look at it on my desktop! It doesn't format right on my phone.
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Often times I try to think (about most politicians) "Okay, how was this taken out of context" but with Trump, I'm almost never surprised.
Said Trump, speaking at a heavy truck and transmission gear company. He may be right in this case, since the company that he was speaking at has their head in the sand and hasn't diversified production.
Of course, he couldn't help himself
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You may be a random Tildes user, but I too can make it so you keep your job and make you r1ch.
Leaving aside the Great Pretender, it's worth talking about what deindustrialization has meant politically. I'm very familiar with the Michigan industrial ecosystem, and graduated from high school into the teeth of the 1980's Detroit-area jobs collapse that high fuel costs and Japanese auto competition wrought.
The white, suburban blue-collar Reagan Democrats (now Trump supporters) had seen the collapse of their living standards. The Black union auto workers were hit far worse with the collapse in value of Detroit city real estate and corresponding loss of tax-based services, but remained loyal to the Democratic Party on civil rights. The blue-collar workers hadn't gone to college because having enough manual skills meant a good living at union wages. They were told to blame their unions for being corrupt (they often were) and demanding too much for U.S. industry to be globally competitive. They were told that the Democratic Party was responsible for the high gas prices*, and complicit in corruption and outsourcing (it often was, but the Republican Party was far more so). Sounds familiar?
Second verse, same as the first...
A couple of generations later, most of the thousands of small machine and specialty fabrication shops that distributed adequately paid manual jobs across the state have closed. They were non-union, but with wages propped up by prevailing union standards. As a result of the industrial job loss, many small cities in rural areas have nearly collapsed. They didn't have enough attractions and educated workers left to get by on services industries or tourism. Even the surviving rural communities are sharply split between well-paid, often unionized knowledge workers (healthcare, law, education, information technology, etc.) and low-paid non-union manual industries (farming, very small scale specialty manufacturing, food service, retail, etc.). The kids of the Reagan Democrats have moved away when they can, or stayed to face much worse conditions than their parents grew up with. The ones who stay are generally right-wing leaning as a result of surviving tough job market conditions and thinking they made it on their own when they're often making ends meet through property inheritances from better times (for White people). They're resentful that education, infrastructure maintenance, and other government services are bad (loss of tax revenue and intentional depletion through Republican Party policy).
It's so easy for the wealthiest to set these very distinct groups against each other that it's barely necessary to propagandize any more. But Fox News has done the job anyway - the collapse of jobs means that people use the "free" information sources that match their polarization. This is prime Trump country. I'm terrified that much of Biden's meager, often backwards-looking industrial policy is too long-term, not easy to articulate, and won't stir up enough enthusiasm to make a difference here. The photo-op with the strikers is great, but won't sway the generations who've suffered from lack of jobs and union representation.
*The Democratic Party's policies weren't directly responsible for high oil prices, except as a consequence of participating in decades-long geopolitical Great Game oil strategies (including the formation of Israel from Palestine made possible through hegemony over Central Asia and the Middle East) and competition with Russia that originated in the UK before the turn of the 20th Century. Not something you can easily explain to people with only high-school U.S. history education, using 30 second sound bites or debating points.
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Trump is the king of stupid takes, the worst part is I'm sure it's not even an original thought for him. Someone with a lot to lose to EV's told him to say this.