nah, they suck and they're a blight. In their current state as a rental-thing, at least. As a pedestrian that walks, they're littering the goddamn sidewalk. If people privately owned them and...
nah, they suck and they're a blight. In their current state as a rental-thing, at least. As a pedestrian that walks, they're littering the goddamn sidewalk. If people privately owned them and stowed them away properly, I suppose that'd be better. But, still, people ride these on the sidewalk, even when there are bike lanes, and it's dangerous for people walking.
I think I have an idea of what you're driving at with regards to car culture, but there has to be a better way...
(and, also, I truly see this as a passing fad. get off my lawn!)
Density comes into play. I live in a relatively dense area, where scooters make the most sense. They don't have much range. They can't traverse the suburbs, where cars do a good chunk of work. So,...
Density comes into play. I live in a relatively dense area, where scooters make the most sense. They don't have much range. They can't traverse the suburbs, where cars do a good chunk of work. So, they operate mostly in dense areas. Where, I feel, there are better options. I understand being anti-car, but there's no way to make the sprawl of Los Angeles a dense super-city overnight. (one example, of course) And, in the dense part of the city (where walking and public transportation is a viable option), these scooters become a nuisance. There are still streets, here. Should they become car-free zones and havens for scooters?
My major qualms are with the scooter rental services. They don't have holding stations like the city-provided bike rental services do. Within the last few months portions of the sidewalk have been painted to signify a "scooter zone", though...that's been fairly ineffective.
I guess I feel that whatever niche these scooters are suppose to fill...bikes already seem like the better option. Or public transportation. Or, walking. The implementation of these private, for-profit? scooters by start-up companies seems extremely invasive.
It's strange that as a society we can't figure out how to park scooters properly. It's not like they take much room. It shouldn't be that hard to add a sensor detecting when they're parked in a...
It's strange that as a society we can't figure out how to park scooters properly. It's not like they take much room.
It shouldn't be that hard to add a sensor detecting when they're parked in a good place. Dinging renters a buck or two for parking badly should fix it. This is not some huge technical challenge like driverless cars.
Over of the major issues with them littering sidewalks is that some people can't see them to walk around, which is dangerous, while wheelchair users often don't have enough room to navigate around...
Over of the major issues with them littering sidewalks is that some people can't see them to walk around, which is dangerous, while wheelchair users often don't have enough room to navigate around them.
i cant count the number of times I've had to help someone who's on a wheel chair move them aside when they are just laying down flat on their side in the middle of a side walk. I've also seen...
i cant count the number of times I've had to help someone who's on a wheel chair move them aside when they are just laying down flat on their side in the middle of a side walk. I've also seen people zoom by store fronts and people come out of stores and either get hit by one or have a close miss.
well here in america it would get towed so fast. Even if the city doesn't tow it, plenty of tow happy private tow truck companies too that will gladly hold your car for ransom.
well here in america it would get towed so fast. Even if the city doesn't tow it, plenty of tow happy private tow truck companies too that will gladly hold your car for ransom.
that is a terrible and far reaching analogy. People shouldn't have to walk out of a shop into the side walk worrying about someone zooming by 15 mph and hitting you. Also not sure how that relates...
that is a terrible and far reaching analogy. People shouldn't have to walk out of a shop into the side walk worrying about someone zooming by 15 mph and hitting you. Also not sure how that relates to scooters littered all over the sidewalk and preventing people with wheelchairs from getting past.
Except that parking lots are dedicated, discreet areas. People just dump these scooters wherever they want, often in the middle of the sidewalk. Imagine if we didn't have parking lots and people...
Except that parking lots are dedicated, discreet areas. People just dump these scooters wherever they want, often in the middle of the sidewalk.
Imagine if we didn't have parking lots and people just parked their cars wherever they felt like it...people would be equally displeased.
It's a solvable problem, we just haven't gotten there yet.
Gosh, these things have taken over the sidewalk here in downtown Los Angeles over the past year. There really was an almost exponential rise. I pretty much see them as garbage littering the...
Gosh, these things have taken over the sidewalk here in downtown Los Angeles over the past year. There really was an almost exponential rise. I pretty much see them as garbage littering the streets.
I also have a hard time imagining how these things generate any profit.
That said, I have one myself. Though, it was purchased for me as a gift. I don't use it and I'd like to sell it. I prefer to walk wherever it is I want to go that's in scooter range, otherwise I'll take the bus.
It's likely because they don't, as these "tech companies" tend to live in a bubble powered by speculative investing. The thing I don't understand is why cities aren't charging these companies an...
I also have a hard time imagining how these things generate any profit.
It's likely because they don't, as these "tech companies" tend to live in a bubble powered by speculative investing.
The thing I don't understand is why cities aren't charging these companies an arm and a leg for all the littering they are doing.
I don't think "littering" is the right term, but it can be prohibited, depending where you leave them. Here's a story about two repo men in San Diego that have impounded thousands of the scooters...
I don't think "littering" is the right term, but it can be prohibited, depending where you leave them. Here's a story about two repo men in San Diego that have impounded thousands of the scooters that were left in places they're not supposed to be and where the property owners don't want them: They said you could leave electric scooters anywhere — then the repo men struck back
Cars and bicycles both have specific places you're permitted to park them too, and if you leave them somewhere else they can get towed/impounded.
Leaving a bicycle on the sidewalk somewhere counts as littering in most places that I am aware of. There's a big difference between leaving your bike outside a store while you pick something up...
Leaving a bicycle on the sidewalk somewhere counts as littering in most places that I am aware of. There's a big difference between leaving your bike outside a store while you pick something up and leaving a bike behind hoping someone eventually decides to use it.
If you leave a car on the sidewalk, it would certainly be ticketed and towed just about no matter where you are.
Bicycles in particular have different rules depending on where you are in the world. For me, I was always taught to lock my bike in bike stands, which are very common public fixtures. If you don't...
Bicycles in particular have different rules depending on where you are in the world. For me, I was always taught to lock my bike in bike stands, which are very common public fixtures. If you don't lock your bike it is likely to be stolen.
China is having the same problem we are having with scooters, except with bicycles. But China is doing something about them.
Source your claims please, especially these because they're pretty nonsensical. The data they can collect is worthless. Who do you want to sell it to? Governments would be the only interested...
Source your claims please, especially these because they're pretty nonsensical.
The data they can collect is worthless. Who do you want to sell it to? Governments would be the only interested party, and they can get it from a bunch of different providers already, seeing as you have your phone with you and data+gps enabled when you move around on these.
nah, they suck and they're a blight. In their current state as a rental-thing, at least. As a pedestrian that walks, they're littering the goddamn sidewalk. If people privately owned them and stowed them away properly, I suppose that'd be better. But, still, people ride these on the sidewalk, even when there are bike lanes, and it's dangerous for people walking.
I think I have an idea of what you're driving at with regards to car culture, but there has to be a better way...
(and, also, I truly see this as a passing fad. get off my lawn!)
Density comes into play. I live in a relatively dense area, where scooters make the most sense. They don't have much range. They can't traverse the suburbs, where cars do a good chunk of work. So, they operate mostly in dense areas. Where, I feel, there are better options. I understand being anti-car, but there's no way to make the sprawl of Los Angeles a dense super-city overnight. (one example, of course) And, in the dense part of the city (where walking and public transportation is a viable option), these scooters become a nuisance. There are still streets, here. Should they become car-free zones and havens for scooters?
My major qualms are with the scooter rental services. They don't have holding stations like the city-provided bike rental services do. Within the last few months portions of the sidewalk have been painted to signify a "scooter zone", though...that's been fairly ineffective.
I guess I feel that whatever niche these scooters are suppose to fill...bikes already seem like the better option. Or public transportation. Or, walking. The implementation of these private, for-profit? scooters by start-up companies seems extremely invasive.
It's strange that as a society we can't figure out how to park scooters properly. It's not like they take much room.
It shouldn't be that hard to add a sensor detecting when they're parked in a good place. Dinging renters a buck or two for parking badly should fix it. This is not some huge technical challenge like driverless cars.
I've used Lime scooters a couple of times, and they make you submit a photo of your parking job when you park. No idea what they do with it, though.
Let people rate good & bad parking and train a neural net to detect it automatically to punish bad Parkers. Will be required in Germany soon
Over of the major issues with them littering sidewalks is that some people can't see them to walk around, which is dangerous, while wheelchair users often don't have enough room to navigate around them.
i cant count the number of times I've had to help someone who's on a wheel chair move them aside when they are just laying down flat on their side in the middle of a side walk. I've also seen people zoom by store fronts and people come out of stores and either get hit by one or have a close miss.
cars block sidewalks too. And it’s not the e Scooter that is the Problem, but the people using them like idiots.
unless you live in russia I've never seen cars actually parked onto side walks blocking pedestrians on a daily basis.
I live in Germany and i see it often enough.
well here in america it would get towed so fast. Even if the city doesn't tow it, plenty of tow happy private tow truck companies too that will gladly hold your car for ransom.
that is a terrible and far reaching analogy. People shouldn't have to walk out of a shop into the side walk worrying about someone zooming by 15 mph and hitting you. Also not sure how that relates to scooters littered all over the sidewalk and preventing people with wheelchairs from getting past.
Except that parking lots are dedicated, discreet areas. People just dump these scooters wherever they want, often in the middle of the sidewalk.
Imagine if we didn't have parking lots and people just parked their cars wherever they felt like it...people would be equally displeased.
It's a solvable problem, we just haven't gotten there yet.
Gosh, these things have taken over the sidewalk here in downtown Los Angeles over the past year. There really was an almost exponential rise. I pretty much see them as garbage littering the streets.
I also have a hard time imagining how these things generate any profit.
That said, I have one myself. Though, it was purchased for me as a gift. I don't use it and I'd like to sell it. I prefer to walk wherever it is I want to go that's in scooter range, otherwise I'll take the bus.
It's likely because they don't, as these "tech companies" tend to live in a bubble powered by speculative investing.
The thing I don't understand is why cities aren't charging these companies an arm and a leg for all the littering they are doing.
I don't think "littering" is the right term, but it can be prohibited, depending where you leave them. Here's a story about two repo men in San Diego that have impounded thousands of the scooters that were left in places they're not supposed to be and where the property owners don't want them: They said you could leave electric scooters anywhere — then the repo men struck back
Cars and bicycles both have specific places you're permitted to park them too, and if you leave them somewhere else they can get towed/impounded.
Leaving a bicycle on the sidewalk somewhere counts as littering in most places that I am aware of. There's a big difference between leaving your bike outside a store while you pick something up and leaving a bike behind hoping someone eventually decides to use it.
If you leave a car on the sidewalk, it would certainly be ticketed and towed just about no matter where you are.
Bicycles in particular have different rules depending on where you are in the world. For me, I was always taught to lock my bike in bike stands, which are very common public fixtures. If you don't lock your bike it is likely to be stolen.
China is having the same problem we are having with scooters, except with bicycles. But China is doing something about them.
Those photos are horrifying!
Horrifying yet weirdly satisfying to see them all lined up so perfectly. I had no idea these car graveyards existed.
In Prague renting a Lime scooter costs around the same as ordering an Uber. They're fun but extremely expensive.
I would recommend everyone using these to read the TOC very carefully. They collect everything and that's how they make money.
Source your claims please, especially these because they're pretty nonsensical.
The data they can collect is worthless. Who do you want to sell it to? Governments would be the only interested party, and they can get it from a bunch of different providers already, seeing as you have your phone with you and data+gps enabled when you move around on these.