It was a great read, thanks for posting. I dabbled in Zig some time back on a journey to familiarise myself with a bunch of the "new" languages on the block. Zig, Rust, Go, Chef, that sort of...
It was a great read, thanks for posting. I dabbled in Zig some time back on a journey to familiarise myself with a bunch of the "new" languages on the block. Zig, Rust, Go, Chef, that sort of thing. I can't think I'll have an actual real world use case for it though.
I do read / hear / watch a lot of stories about AI contributions to FOSS projects though, both direct contributions and bug reports, and almost none of it is positive.
Holy crap, I'm never touching Zig or Bun with a ten foot pole. What a bunch of unprofessional jerks. So what they're saying is, if I use their obscure language and ask for help (or even donate!)...
Holy crap, I'm never touching Zig or Bun with a ten foot pole. What a bunch of unprofessional jerks.
The post claims they were fuzzing their Zig code, while during our calls the whole Bun team told us that they were not fuzzing anything. This appears to be an outright fabrication.
So what they're saying is, if I use their obscure language and ask for help (or even donate!) -- then dare criticise them -- they'll whip out the call logs to start railing me in the socials? What the heck?
Bun always gave me the ick, and Zig felt like a solution in search of a problem. I've had the privilege of working with genuine professionals: they could wipe the floor with me engineering-wise, and were level headed when the seas became rough. But these guys ain't it. They really deserved each other.
Ehhh given the context of the Bun author posting a blog making potentially false claims about the language I do think Zig gets to defend themselves. If they just dropped this after Bun moved to...
Ehhh given the context of the Bun author posting a blog making potentially false claims about the language I do think Zig gets to defend themselves.
If they just dropped this after Bun moved to Rust it’d be bullshit but given they straight up said “oh yeah zig just can’t scale we were doing it right” I think you get to counter, especially if you have reason to believe it’s a blatant lie.
I am curious what all the fallout from this will be. It strikes me that both sides have objectively provable claims(either zig doesn’t scale well in buns case or bun had slop code) so it shouldn’t be that hard to point to “like this line here” but so far there’s a lack of that
I didn’t read the two blog posts about bun (switching to rust and explaining why), but I did read this and it was excellent. This actually gives me more interest in zig again than anything else...
I didn’t read the two blog posts about bun (switching to rust and explaining why), but I did read this and it was excellent. This actually gives me more interest in zig again than anything else has. Not that I was avoiding zig due to bun; the two aren’t and haven’t ever been inexorably linked in my mind. I just like that the creator still cares about his language and is still involved.
Edit: I like it when creators take an interest in their stuff, even if their opinions are strong. It used to be a lot more common for programs and languages to be opinionated about the right way to do things, and I appreciate that. Sometimes being left in the forest of “there’s a thousand ways to do it” is much wiser than “you can do it maybe three different ways” but often times I find it confounding and confusing, and I often prefer the path of “this is how it’s done”… personal preference.
Silicon Valley venture capital dates back to the 1970’s. VC’s funded companies like Intel and Apple. Founders do need to be careful about it, but it’s a weird thing to shame someone for. VC’s...
This attention could have been harnessed in a few different ways. For example, he could have easily achieved a solid living via crowdfunding, even for San Francisco standards. But having graduated from the Thiel Fellowship school of thought rather than university, he was essentially groomed from a young age into uncritically embracing the Silicon Valley mindset, and he took venture capital.
Silicon Valley venture capital dates back to the 1970’s. VC’s funded companies like Intel and Apple. Founders do need to be careful about it, but it’s a weird thing to shame someone for. VC’s aren’t necessarily to blame for a company’s own management problems.
We probably tried to tell you to try enabling it and you didn't listen. We have good advice, damn it!
The word “probably” sticks out here. He can’t remember whether they did or not, didn’t check, and then says they “didn’t listen?”
Two, I actually don't have any personal criticisms of Jarred.
In which case maybe he shouldn’t have posted this, or at least got someone to read it over.
Andrew is seemingly grateful for Buns departure.
What a read lol. I'm a little surprised by the overall tone of the blog post.
I really enjoyed the read, kind of felt honest and still reasonably kind while at the same time not really holding back too much.
It was a great read, thanks for posting. I dabbled in Zig some time back on a journey to familiarise myself with a bunch of the "new" languages on the block. Zig, Rust, Go, Chef, that sort of thing. I can't think I'll have an actual real world use case for it though.
I do read / hear / watch a lot of stories about AI contributions to FOSS projects though, both direct contributions and bug reports, and almost none of it is positive.
Holy crap, I'm never touching Zig or Bun with a ten foot pole. What a bunch of unprofessional jerks.
So what they're saying is, if I use their obscure language and ask for help (or even donate!) -- then dare criticise them -- they'll whip out the call logs to start railing me in the socials? What the heck?
Bun always gave me the ick, and Zig felt like a solution in search of a problem. I've had the privilege of working with genuine professionals: they could wipe the floor with me engineering-wise, and were level headed when the seas became rough. But these guys ain't it. They really deserved each other.
Ehhh given the context of the Bun author posting a blog making potentially false claims about the language I do think Zig gets to defend themselves.
If they just dropped this after Bun moved to Rust it’d be bullshit but given they straight up said “oh yeah zig just can’t scale we were doing it right” I think you get to counter, especially if you have reason to believe it’s a blatant lie.
I am curious what all the fallout from this will be. It strikes me that both sides have objectively provable claims(either zig doesn’t scale well in buns case or bun had slop code) so it shouldn’t be that hard to point to “like this line here” but so far there’s a lack of that
I didn’t read the two blog posts about bun (switching to rust and explaining why), but I did read this and it was excellent. This actually gives me more interest in zig again than anything else has. Not that I was avoiding zig due to bun; the two aren’t and haven’t ever been inexorably linked in my mind. I just like that the creator still cares about his language and is still involved.
Edit: I like it when creators take an interest in their stuff, even if their opinions are strong. It used to be a lot more common for programs and languages to be opinionated about the right way to do things, and I appreciate that. Sometimes being left in the forest of “there’s a thousand ways to do it” is much wiser than “you can do it maybe three different ways” but often times I find it confounding and confusing, and I often prefer the path of “this is how it’s done”… personal preference.
Silicon Valley venture capital dates back to the 1970’s. VC’s funded companies like Intel and Apple. Founders do need to be careful about it, but it’s a weird thing to shame someone for. VC’s aren’t necessarily to blame for a company’s own management problems.
The word “probably” sticks out here. He can’t remember whether they did or not, didn’t check, and then says they “didn’t listen?”
In which case maybe he shouldn’t have posted this, or at least got someone to read it over.
That's all well and good but why did he link to a Whitest Kids U Know video
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