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Why a tire company is the judge of fine dining

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  1. [6]
    Staross
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    Was a nice video overall but he was very heavy handed with the "haha Michelin star's restaurants are for rich people and super fussy". Michelin star's are mostly for people that love food, and as...

    Was a nice video overall but he was very heavy handed with the "haha Michelin star's restaurants are for rich people and super fussy". Michelin star's are mostly for people that love food, and as a hobby it's not unreasonable for most people to go a Michelin star once in a while, and I think everybody that can appreciate good food should go at least a couple of times in their lives.

    Someone also pointed out in the comments that Japan has about the same number of star Michelin restaurants as France.

    7 votes
    1. [3]
      JXM
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      Wholeheartedly agree. I went to a three star restaurant in San Francisco called Benu. It was a once-in-a-lifetime experience and worth every penny. Would I ever do it again? No. But it was...

      Wholeheartedly agree. I went to a three star restaurant in San Francisco called Benu. It was a once-in-a-lifetime experience and worth every penny.

      Would I ever do it again? No. But it was definitely worth doing once. It's the food equivalent of going to Disney.

      6 votes
      1. [2]
        Staross
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        Looks amazing. I've never been in a three stars, I've looked a couple of times but you have to book 3 months in advance, so it's not so easy to plan...

        Looks amazing. I've never been in a three stars, I've looked a couple of times but you have to book 3 months in advance, so it's not so easy to plan...

        2 votes
        1. JXM
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          The only reason I went was because I called them on a whim while my wife and I were in San Francisco for a few days visiting family and they had an opening for the next night. Pure luck, I guess?

          The only reason I went was because I called them on a whim while my wife and I were in San Francisco for a few days visiting family and they had an opening for the next night.

          Pure luck, I guess?

          3 votes
    2. mycketforvirrad
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      Michelins can cover such a broad range of cuisines and offer wildly differing dining experiences, it would seem silly to club them all with the same tired trope truncheon. One I always wish I'd...

      Michelins can cover such a broad range of cuisines and offer wildly differing dining experiences, it would seem silly to club them all with the same tired trope truncheon.

      One I always wish I'd gotten to is Fäviken in the north of Sweden, but now sadly closed.

      3 votes
    3. PetitPrince
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      I suspect, but without any proof or real knowledge of it, that he evolution of paid time off (les vacances) in combination with the democratization of the car greatly participated to the success...

      I suspect, but without any proof or real knowledge of it, that he evolution of paid time off (les vacances) in combination with the democratization of the car greatly participated to the success of the Michelin Guide. This also partly reflect on the original meaning of the star system:

      • One star: worth the stop
      • Two stars: worth the detour
      • Three stars: worth the trip
      3 votes
  2. [5]
    NoblePath
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    I am surprised to learn that the only Michelin restaurants in the US are in NYC, Chicago, D.C. and San Francisco. Of course I expect those cities to have some, but I am surprised not to see places...

    I am surprised to learn that the only Michelin restaurants in the US are in NYC, Chicago, D.C. and San Francisco. Of course I expect those cities to have some, but I am surprised not to see places like Atlanta, Los Angeles, Austin, Miami, Marthas Vineyard, Jackson Hole, Aspen, etc.

    I wonder if this is a function of where Michelin looks, or are there genuinely not equivalent restaurants in those places?

    I love food a great deal, but don't enjoy fine dining except in Japenese restaurants, where there the elegence has a naturalistic element I've not experienced in American or European fancy places (caveat: I've never been to a Michelin restaurant). I do enjoy exquisitely prepared food, it's the pomp and accoutrement that I find off-putting. Also, a great many fine dining places don't have food to match the 'tude.

    4 votes
    1. [2]
      pallas
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      It is perhaps surprising because it isn't true. There are restaurants with Michelin stars in Los Angeles, and in San Diego. The Michelin Guide is more properly a series of guides, with different...

      I am surprised to learn that the only Michelin restaurants in the US are in NYC, Chicago, D.C. and San Francisco.

      It is perhaps surprising because it isn't true. There are restaurants with Michelin stars in Los Angeles, and in San Diego.

      The Michelin Guide is more properly a series of guides, with different scopes, perhaps better understood as the physical paper guidebooks that are still released. Within Europe, there are guides at a country level, and more detailed guides for some cities; outside Europe, guides are mostly only for specific cities, with the recent and unusual exception of California, starting in 2019. There are no stars given outside those areas (though I'm aware of some that only very loosely could be considered to be in the cities they were listed in), not because there are not good restaurants, but because there isn't a guide covering them, and inspectors aren't sent. There have been suggestions that different guides can also have different standards, preferences, and styles: I remember accusations that the Tokyo standards were too lenient, and that the New York prose was too purple.

      If the video said otherwise---I strongly dislike the current popularity of using video as a medium needlessly, and so haven't watched it---then it may be outdated, as there was a gap until recently when Los Angeles had no guide. But if so, it also omits the rather interesting story of why Michelin left LA, at some point in the early 2000s, it I recall correctly. Michelin was elitist; LA's culinary culture was elitist; but these were distinct elitisms. So far from being a prestigious distinction locally, LA's food critics and foodies sneered at Michelin as an outdated and undiscerning supporter of ostentatious mediocrity and the passé. It was eventually driven out of the city, with its remains being a few restaurants that continued to note their stars that had never actually been taken away, until at some point many of those restaurants had closed, or changed entirely.

      When Michelin recently returned, it was as an all-California guide, perhaps as a way of trying to avoid a repeat of this experience.

      7 votes
      1. NoblePath
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        I’m cirious how you come to be so well informed on the matter?

        I’m cirious how you come to be so well informed on the matter?

    2. [2]
      an_angry_tiger
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      I don't think they send out judges past a certain selection of cities. There isn't a single Michelin star amongst all of Canada. Not a single star for any restaurant in Montreal, Toronto,...

      I don't think they send out judges past a certain selection of cities. There isn't a single Michelin star amongst all of Canada. Not a single star for any restaurant in Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, one of those fancy hotels in Quebec City. We'd probably have a fair amount of at least 1-stars if they came up, but they don't send people up so we don't.

      4 votes
      1. Loire
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        It's absolutely this. I have eaten at restaurants across this continent and there were certainly Michelin star quality restaurants in cities like Houston, Toronto, Vancouver, Los Angeles and,...

        It's absolutely this. I have eaten at restaurants across this continent and there were certainly Michelin star quality restaurants in cities like Houston, Toronto, Vancouver, Los Angeles and, believe it or not, one in Edmonton Alberta.

        But the judges can only be in so many places at once and they certainly don't want to have to be traveling across North America to do their job so here we are. Michelin Stars are largely a Eurasian endeavor With that said, it feels a bit disingenuous that they'll make the trip to the Faroe Islands but can't hop a flight from New York to Toronto.

        5 votes
  3. tomf
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    if you’re still on reddit, /r/finedining is definitely worth a sub. the photos aren’t always amazing, but they’re typically good enough.

    if you’re still on reddit, /r/finedining is definitely worth a sub. the photos aren’t always amazing, but they’re typically good enough.

    1 vote