Help with ants in the shower!
So after moving, my new bathroom has some issues. Most pressing of all: my shower has ants. It started with a couple, but it feels like it's gotten progressively worse.
I researched this issue and have been spraying my shower with a vinegar/water mixture to kill and hopefully repel them, followed by my mom wiping them up to throw away because the scent of ant corpses will attract more ants. But so far, it hasn't really done anything but kept me from using that shower for a week because of the smell of vinegar.
I sprayed the shower today, when it had possibly the most ants to date, and mom wiped them all up... And then a few hours later I checked and more ants showed up. Actually I just checked again and there are now like, at LEAST fifteen ants in there. At LEAST. So, the vinegar solution obviously isn't repelling them.
We're at the end of our patience. Tomorrow we'll be sitting down to do some heavy-duty research together. The potential next step, based on the site where I got the vinegar solution, is to pour baking soda and vinegar into the drain to try to dislodge all the gunk, because I've washed ants down there and that can attract more ants. So, that might be why they won't freaking stay away.
Relevant vent: why does every single site about killing ants include tons of photos of ants!? I'd closed the site I used and I tried to find it again to link here, but had to stop because the first two sites I checked were full of ant pictures. And I freaking hate bugs and can't stand even looking at photos of them. Or at least, not in this context. I don't want to see MORE ants congregating in strangers' showers, knowing they're in mine already make my skin crawl without having an image of what they might look like at this very moment!!
So, yeah. Researching this has been very difficult for me, but I need those damn things out of my shower so we don't need to share my mom's. So, I'm open to any advice and solutions you all have!
Some other relevant information:
- Here's a photo of my bathroom and the shower. Warning: you might be able to see ants if you zoom in on the close-up of the shower, because they were mostly congregated in that area. Otherwise I would have gotten a better photo of the interior. I saw a lot of advice to touch up caulking, but with the type of shower this is, I'm not sure how relevant caulking really is? The shower is very smooth, almost like the rim of a bathtub.
- There's a skylight above the shower, which was replaced before we moved in. At the very least, it doesn't leak with water when it rains. So help me, if that's somehow the source of the ants........
- Related to above: there's no window I can open, and the room is quite small and narrow. So, humidity builds up FAST and I don't really have an effective way to vent it out or anything.
- I've seen a couple in my sink. Key word: a couple. I think the most I've seen there at one time is two, while the shower can have upwards of... I don't even want to try to guess, honestly.
- I've seen one or two ants crawling up the wall outside the shower, very low down around the moulding. So their nest may be outside the shower?
- At this point the number has me half-convinced there's a nest somewhere in the bathroom. Or maybe there's an entrance on the top of the white shower walls/rim where it meets the drywall?? Except I've only ever seen one ant relatively high up one of those walls, they seem to stick near the floor... Either way, the number feels extreme to me given there shouldn't be any real points of entrance besides the door and skylight.
- Given that articles love attaching revolting photos at multiple points, I'll just ask here if there's any chance they're climbing out of my shower head or the drain. One little fact that prematurely ended my first attempt to research solutions: apparently ants sometime come out of bath faucets. So, yeah.
- At this point, killing ants is secondary to getting them OUT. We've dealt with ant infestations before, we know how to kill them. But that doesn't help when more of them will show up!! I don't want to deal with this problem forever, or even just seasonally!!l
Please help, and thanks for taking time to read this!
Ants are often attracted to water. So trying to solve the moisture issue may help.
But if you want to get rid of ants, you will want to purchase some ant bait. Ant bait is a slow-acting poison that they will take back to their nest and with any luck it will kill the queen and colony.
That being said, if there are only a few ants and you’re not getting a good look at them, they may not be ants. A while back we were having a problem with what we thought were an odd species of ants and they turned out to be termites.
And if you want to get rid of bugs in general, you can always hire an exterminator. It sounds like it would be worth it for you.
I'll second the use of ant bait. About once a year we get ants and use some of the liquid/gel bait and it works fantastic.
I will note for OP, though, that when it works it will:
So if that's not something you're comfortable with you may want to get someone to help apply it and clean up.
Last tip: put the bait on a piece of paper or cardboard. It's annoying to clean off of some surfaces, and that way you can just throw the whole thing out.
We've used ant bait before plenty of times (yay spring kitchen infestation), so I know the drill. I just remember it would take a few rounds to have an effect. Also, the brand we use always came with a cardboard tab, so the idea that some don't is surprising.
I don't know how solvable the moisture issue is given the shape and size of the bathroom, unfortunately...
Ant poison might be the next step, after potentially dredging the shower drain to dislodge any gunk and/or ant corpses. I was hoping to find some quicker solution to chase them all off for good since that route takes a while, but I've already spent a week using my mom's shower. I'm willing to keep using it a bit longer.
Also really hope we don't have termites, given we just bought the house and my mom's already tired of spending money on stuff. At the very least, these things don't jump or fly though. Though your mention of an exterminator reminds me that my uncle has an actual PhD relating to bug extermination, so we'll have to see about calling him tomorrow for advice!
Do you own your house or rent? If you own, it may be a good idea to install an external ventilation fan. Bathroom humidity can cause all sorts of issues besides ants, so you may be saving your future self some expensive repairs. I’ve always heard that, according to building code, bathrooms need a vent fan or an openable exterior window, so it’s weird yours doesn’t already.
I've had a serious and active termite infestation in a home that I had purchased. It happens. If they come in a swarm, they have wings, and they're not black but instead brown / tan ... You might have subterranean termites eating moist wood behind your walls.
Step one of dealing with this or an ant problem is to seriously find ways to ensure your space is dry and humidity is lowered. Water can't stay around. It has to be removed.
After that, identify the species with certainty (upload tight photos of the creatures to LLMs and ask them to be identified and give reasoning). Then, devise a plan of attack to kill the colony at it's heart and not the stragglers out in the open.
Good luck. It's your home. Make it less attractive to other species if that's what you want. They're not paying the mortgage or the rent.
For the humidity/moisture you could also look into a dehumidifier, it works great in my bathroom for drying everything out good. A nice bonus is your towels get nice and dry after using them too!
I'm guessing given your distaste for looking at them you don't have a closer up photo of the ants? Being able to identify the species might help. For example if they are carpenter ants you may have wood damage in the bathroom that they are inhabiting. Carpenter ants don't "eat wood" like termites, but they will use rotten wood to build nests in. The poor ventilation would contribute to the likelihood of this. Is there an exhaust fan or something?
Just to clarify - the above isn't saying you definitely have wood damage OR carpenter ants, just an avenue of investigation. Many ant species can forage quite far from the nest so they may not even be nesting near/in your home.
I think we can eliminate at least carpenter ants since these ants are incredibly small. So small my mom doesn't even see them half the time until I point them out. As far as I can tell, they're the same kind of ants we'd typically get in other parts of the house. (On that note, the kitchen is on the opposite side of the house. There's not much food in my bathroom besides ant corpses.)
That said, there is an exhaust fan with a light on the ceiling. I doubt they come from there though, since presumably I'd see them around it. Though that does make me wonder about the vent on the floor, since it is pretty close to the shower... And the heating pump attached to our AC/heating was only turned on last week, so the air wasn't any particular temperature. The surge in numbers, if it's not just my imagination, might be linked to that given the timing...
If they are small, like 2mm small, they are likely Pharaoh ants. Don't do anything rash. Study up, get correct baits or a professional and most importantly steel yourself, because this will take a while. They are not dangerous, just really, really resilient.
Knowing the species of ants you are dealing with can be quite helpful - there are different common ant species that invade homes, and the optimal strategy for dealing with them can be different.
I can tell you what works extremely reliably here in coastal Southern California where we have a supercolony of invasive Argentine ants that covers huge portion of the state and loves to nest in urban areas and invade homes - both to seek water and food sources.
Step 1 is to maintain an external chemical perimeter barrier around the home. There are a few options for this, and professionals have access to more potent chemicals, but I find the Ortho Home Defense spray to be very effective - it's inexpensive at Home Depot, and I spray the outside of the house along the concrete wall footings, basically along any hard house surface that is close to outside dirt surrounding the house. You don't need to cover a wide area, just 1-2 inches wide along the entire house wherever possible. Ants will not cross this barrier once applied, and one application usually lasts through at least one ant season - 6-12 months. This really reduces the amount of scout ants that enter your house looking for water or food, and then invite the whole nest over.
Step 2 is if you do get a line of ants in the home - like you have in your bathroom. First I always attempt to locate where on the outside is the line of ants getting into the home. 90% of the time, I can find a place somewhere along the outside perimeter where the ants are coming in - in which case I return to Step 1 and re-apply the barrier in that area (note this will trap lots of ants inside the home, and they will search for an alternate exit, so the next part is still important) Regardless of whether I can or can not find the entrance point, I then use the Optigard Ant Gel Bait - of all the options I tried, this one has worked the best for me. I put a small amount of the gel (like pea size amount) on a disposable piece of plastic near where the ants are, or near any place I can see them entering a room or bathroom. Once ants discover it, they start feeding on it, and eventually laying a pheromone trail to it for other ants to follow. Within 15-30 minutes, you might see a huge increase in new ants as they come to feed on the gel - they will fill their body with it, and then carry it back to their nest to feed their queen. If you don't like ants, this part can be gross, but is extremely important - leave them alone for this part. The gel eventually kills the ants that feed on it, but the effect is delayed, allowing them enough time to carry it back to their nest and spread through the colony. Almost always, I see no more ants coming to the bait within 12-24 hours. The gel will also usually kill any ants you might have trapped inside the house by applying Ortho where they were getting in. Also the poisoned ants will often seek water before dying, so you might find lots of dead ants in your bathtub after the successful use of the bait gel.
I bought a package of 4 tubes of the gel 9 years ago, and have only used 2 of the tubes in the 9 years so far - a little goes a really long way.
Argentine ants are a supercolony and share queens, so old nests will eventually be repopulated from neighboring queens - so they will eventually be back. If I am diligent with Step 1 above, I only have to perform Step 2 maybe 2-3 times a year though (and usually it's because when I work in the yard, I often carry ants on me when coming back into the house, which defeats the barrier - they are able to find a way out, as the barrier is never 100% effective) 2-3 times a year might seem like a lot, but I live in a fairly large suburban home surrounded by landscaping that is absolutely filled with Argentine ants - they are absolutely everywhere here, and unlike some of my neighbors, I don't like large scale chemical treatment and poisoning my whole yard - so I consider the targeted treatment with a barrier + spot treating breaches with bait gel to be a good compromise.
We had this exact problem recently and have a shower door very similar to yours. There was a small gap in the caulk around the lower part of the door track near the shower pan. Water was collecting under the track and likely attracting the ants. We stopped using the shower for a few days to ensure it was dry and then sealed the hole with silicone caulk. I never figured out where the ants were actually coming from, but once the shower was sealed, there have been no more ants in our bathroom.
In that case, we'll have to check around the track tomorrow! Our old shower had much more obvious caulking and didn't have a sliding door, so I only gave the track a passing glance. I haven't used that shower for a week now, and I'm willing to give it another few days to be absolutely sure it's dry. Thanks for the suggestion!
I've had the "persistent ant invasion" thing myself and I know how weirdly cumulative the psychological impact of their persistence is. Hang in there.
In my case they were coming in by (and into) my bed (I never ate in bed or took any food into my bedroom, they just had some kind of ingress in the wall there and wanted to be inside.)
Not sure how applicable this is since your entry point is the shower, but in addition to ant baits, an all-natural solution for immediately changing their behavior/cutting off their trails turned out to be cinnamon. They can't stand the stuff at all; it doesn't kill them, but they will avoid it like the plague, so sprinkling it at entry points or key chokepoints along their scent trails will get them to immediately reroute. They will always refuse to step foot on cinnamon.
Alright, it's been two months and given all the helpful advice, I feel I owe everyone an update. I think the problem is now mostly resolved.
We ended up texting my entomologist/exterminator uncle for advice, and he said they seemed to be something called springtails, not ants. He advised that they were most likely attracted to "organic matter" in the drain and linked us some drain cleaner to use that would dissolve it. We poured it every day for a week and then tapered it down the usage... But the problem didn't fully go away, even after buying another bottle of drain cleaner.
Finally we contacted him again and he came by to look and inspect the drain about two weeks ago. Turns out some of the gunk got stuck to the underside/top of the pipe, so the drain cleaner was just sliding right under it and leaving it untouched. He took care of it, and since then the infestation seems to be mostly over! I still see one or two now and then, but that's pretty bearable. I just dab them up with a damp toilet paper square and toss it in the trash.
Thanks everyone for all the help and advice!
Frankly, I've always had success with basic ant bait, the kind that are a poisoned food source which the ants take back to their colony and poison the queen, etc. This product is relatively inexpensive at hardware stores, Walmart, etc. Brand never mattered in my cases. Just got whatever seemed reasonably priced.
Oh that’s no fun at all.
Are you seeing any sort of clear trail from the ants or just seeing them about?
At one of my old apartments (that had both an ant and termite problem) one day we saw a literal line of ants going from a window across a wall and over to the trashcan. We ended up using windex and a sanitizer spray on the wall to clear up the trail & remove the scent trail, and then put down terro on the windowsill. The first time I think my roommate just wiped the ants away, but didn’t get rid of the trail so they came back in full force the next day, but the windex and Lysol did the trick (and reminding my roommates to takes the trash out if they put food in it). Unfortunately, if you don’t know where they’re coming from, I’m not sure that’s too much help.
No clear trail, they just show up and hang out in the shower. The mention of Windex is an interesting option though, maybe I can try spraying down the tile floors with some stuff...
A solution that always works for us is a mix of borax, honey and a little water. Mix well and soak cotton balls in it. Put some of the treated cotton balls near the ant trail and that's it. They'll take the borax home with them and kill the whole colony. Same principle as ant bait. Usually works pretty quickly.
The convenience option is Terro Ant Baits, which are basically borax and corn syrup in a plastic package. They don't seem to kill ants immediately and leave dead ants lying around.
We're basically living on a forested sand dune and have to deal with Pharaoh ants in the below-ground level bathroom every spring. We put a few of these baits around the place and never see ants again.
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Second borax. For context I live in rural coastal area, so wet and surrounded by hundreds of acres of forests. We get bugs but no ants inside the house thanks to this technology.
For my mixture I use a red fruit juice as I believe it has a stronger tastier smell, and the red lets me identify if I made a spill. I make it a sticky liquid in a small dish: if I see any corpses it's too strong and I dial it back. Ant lives are cheap start with higher concentration first. Dial it back until you don't see any dead but enthusiastic gathering.
We had ants when we first moved in and their colony collapsed quickly. Since then we have had one more upstart colony which also died quickly.
Good luck
Edit: store bought baits aren't as good in my exp. Also, yeah definitely call your uncle and put that PhD to good use lol
I don't have a ton of advice for most of your questions but this specific issue can be solved with a box fan to mingle the air with whatever larger room is adjacent.
Nice thought, but not sure it'd help much since the door opens into a fairly narrow hallway. It partially overlaps with the doorway leading to the rest of the house (so you can see, like, a quarter of the bathroom door from outside the hall) but I'm not sure it'd get enough air circulation.
That, and there's not really any good places to put a box fan that faces the bathroom door. It'd have to go on the floor, right in the area where I need to walk to get in the shower or reach the toilet, so not the best option. Plus, I think the cord would have to drape down from the sink... On that note, there's a wall right next to the sink with a closet so the fan would be blocked by that wall.
I pay for routine pest service with the mindset of it being "insurance" for pest issues. A local company charges $115 every 3 months, after they spray the perimeter and do a couple other preventative things while checking for signs of pests.
Since then, we've only had one issue with ants. When we did, we called them out, they showed up same day, and put out some bait and used an additional spray. Pest control companies have access to a higher grade of products than the general public, and in this case it truly did seem to work very quickly.
(Prior to starting service with them, we had at least 3 ant issues and a couple other bug issues, all within the same 12ish months.)
Note, about the below: the gel can help you find their entry points, even if you'd rather find more immediate temporary fixes / things to kill them. Since the gel attracts them, if you watch them long enough you can see where they're getting in because the trail is more obvious when lots of them are crawling, they'll often crawl in, take the gel, and you can even watch them leave from the exact same place they're getting in- so think of the gel as more than just a more long-term/seasonal fix, and as a way to maybe help you do other things to prevent (check where they're getting in via the gel and, once they're gone, seal that spot up).
However, I think ultimately trying to permanently prevent them might be a tough battle unless you're ready to seal up every small crevice you can find anywhere. Those things are quite smart at finding a way in, via the smallest possible place. Mine come in through the walls. They find just enough of a gap from outside and then I'll see them crawling in between the edge of the wall and ceiling, and so on. And you can seal up a ton of spots, and quickly find that they've found some other angle to get back in. I think the most effective things honestly are just dealing with them every year, just with the most efficient process you can find.
For temporary killing/chasing, I've found that like, citrus-based cleaners/sprays seem to work well and sometimes even repel them for a short time, but it's always extremely temporary. Can also use insecticide sprays made for indoors as long as you let them dry, but even these don't seem to last super long.
IMO the best way is to take out the colony. A couple of rounds of Tarro gel works wonders for me, always eventually takes the colony out, just requires some patience of letting them grab the gel and leave instead of attacking the ants during the process.
I understand that this process in a shower is way more annoying, of course. Though, if you can attract ants elsewhere with the gel, it could actually attract the ones getting in the shower over to it instead. Hard to tell, but for me, I used the gel to take care of ants in the kitchen, and now the ants that were in my shower/bathroom are gone too, just as a side-effect of the colony being taken out.
After my second time sitting the gel out this season, no more ants at all, and you don't have to bother with using their cardboard tabs or whatever, you can always just tear a piece off of a sheet of paper or a cardboard box, or whatever you want. Heck, not that I'd recommend it, but I've actually let a small amount drip down a kitchen wall, because it was close to where they were traveling, and that worked too, haha.
I've dealt with a major ant infestation to the level of nightmares and horror movie material. My war was against odorous house ants (also often called sugar ants or moisture ants).
I'll let you look them up if you want details but the notable things are: They're usually pretty dark, almost if not black. Maybe 3mm long at most but they can vary in size. When crushed, they release a somewhat sweet and rancid coconut scent. They love moisture and sugar. Something to note is their nests often have multiple queens and the workers can migrate in and out of other nests. So basically, every nest can be considered a satellite nest of another colony. Which means if you destroy a nest, they'll likely return in a few months and definitely next year.
If you got odorous house ants:
Firstly you should check outside your home and see if you got a ton of ants out there crawling on your walls and near your foundation. If yes, you need to bring the ambient ant population down before using Terro (or borax/sugar). Bait only works if it's among their main sources of food. Otherwise you'll just be feeding them. Ask me how I know 🥲 For me, I had an exterminator come by for a few months to bring down the pop outside (and inside...). Once you're population is manageable, you can put Terro every 6-10 feet around your house. If you do this in the spring, Terro alone can keep them in check for the rest of the year.
Next, you need to find out how they're getting in - place your bait so they make a strong trail and find out where they're coming from. For indoor, my fav stuff is a syringe of Advion ant gel (neuro poison) - this stuff will kill the ants faster than Terro but it's more expensive and requires reapplication cuz they go through it so fast. I saw someone mentioned to let your bathroom dry out a bit - I agree if they just want your water. If you provide one steady water or food source at a time, scattered ants should become a few strong trails.
Like others said, caulk their entrance, or use masking tape because they will likely find another entrance, and keep taping until they've stopped. Then u can caulk all 4 entrances at once instead of one at a time. Some areas, u might not want to caulk, like you don't want to seal the entire gap at the base of a toilet (if there's a leak, you'd want to know). In this case, u can tear up a cotton ball and stuff it in their entrances.
Some general tips:
I haven't had to spray outside in years. Now we just put out Terro every spring. We rarely ever have ants inside anymore.
I wish you luck.