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Graduated and moving to an apartment in a major city in the US, advice/tips?

I graduated in the spring and spent the last few months at home with family. I'm hoping to find an apartment/job in a major US city working as a legal assistant or paralegal.

I've never rented before, so I have questions, but due to circumstances related to the ones pushing me away from staying at home any longer, I don't have any parents or older siblings to ask for help, so I'm hoping to crowdsource wisdom here. I have specific questions, but also happy to hear any general advice for someone renting an apartment for the first time.

Some relevant context:

  • Studio apartment is nonnegotiable. I don't know anyone I trust enough to be my roommate. If that weren't enough, I'm one of the only people still wearing a mask and trying not to get COVID, so it's gotta be a studio for me to be able to relax.
  • I'm looking for a walkable neighborhood and good public transit in addition to affordability, so really looking at Chicago and Philly right now.
  • I love to cook, but I know studios often have really lackluster kitchens. Hoping to find one with a usable amount of counterspace.

Those questions I had:

  1. If you offer to pay a landlord the cost of the lease in full, is it typical for the landlord to waive the requirement that you provide proof of employment, or if you asked them to waive that, would they be likely to say yes? I would really like to take some time off, and coming home was intended to be that, but toxic family means I've just been stressed the whole time, so being able to get a place without needing a job right off the bat would be a fantastic setup to make sure this new start goes well. (If I save up part-time earnings for the next 2-3 months, I'll have enough to pay a lease on a $1200 studio in full, furnish it with the necessities, and feed myself.)

  2. Recently I realized that when apartments are listed as unfurnished, that means no bed or mattress either. (I kind of see now why futons are a thing.) How do people usually address this issue? Do you buy a mattress and bed frame with the expectation that you'll take it with you whenever you move out to the next apartment?

  3. Since I don't live in the city I'll be moving to, I most likely won't be able to see the apartment in person before committing. Any particular ideas on how I could handle this or what I should be wary of? I've heard of services where you can pay someone to show up to a tour and video call you so you can follow along (https://www.gandertour.com/). $50 doesn't seem too steep, but I don't know if that specific service is trustworthy, or if there's a cheaper or simpler way to deal with this.

Those are my questions, and like I said above, any advice not 100% related to these questions is welcome too!

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  1. [10]
    stu2b50
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    There's two parts of this I wouldn't recommend. First, moving without a job. It's the most important part. You can apply without moving - I wouldn't move, or make financial commitments, until I...

    There's two parts of this I wouldn't recommend. First, moving without a job. It's the most important part. You can apply without moving - I wouldn't move, or make financial commitments, until I had an offer in the city.

    Second, you can get Zoom/video call tours, but really, it's best to do one in person. I would recommend getting a short-long term lease (e.g in the number of months) in a furnished unit, from which you can start apartment hunting in person. AirBnB is an option. This is also an opportunity to buy furniture.

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      chrysanth
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      I hear you on the job thing, but I'm willing to take a bit of a risk here so long as I can find a place that doesn't insist on proof of employment. School was psychologically taxing, home is...

      I hear you on the job thing, but I'm willing to take a bit of a risk here so long as I can find a place that doesn't insist on proof of employment. School was psychologically taxing, home is psychologically taxing, and jumping right into a job (especially a job in law where there's likely to be incursions on good work-life balance/40hr+ work week) without stopping to recover from burnout is just a recipe for making mental health issues worse. Desperation and poor emotional regulation driven by unforgiving environments aren't good for my wallet either. I also went to a school with a very robust alum/career network, which I'm factoring into my risk/benefit calculation. The likelihood that I don't find any job within a year and a half, even after reducing expectations about my preferred field and such, is definitely nonzero, but IMO low enough that I'm willing to accept it.

      I don't mean to convince you that you're wrong or to get you to tell me that my plan is good, though. I understand if you don't recommend it/wouldn't do it if you were me, I just mean to say that there is a little bit of thought behind my seeming comfort in doing something potentially risky.

      I would recommend getting a short-long term lease (e.g in the number of months) in a furnished unit, from which you can start apartment hunting in person. AirBnB is an option. This is also an opportunity to buy furniture.

      I like this idea about starting with a short-term lease in a furnished place a lot, though. AirBNB is out of the question for me, I had an absolutely horrific experience with them and would never do it again, but that idea solves one of the problems I was worried about, which was sleeping on the floor until whatever mattress I ordered comes in.

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      1. [8]
        teaearlgraycold
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        You can get a job and then set your start date a couple months in the future. Then move and relax for a while before working.

        You can get a job and then set your start date a couple months in the future. Then move and relax for a while before working.

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          chrysanth
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          I suppose this was another thing I wasn't sure about and just assumed rather than asking anyone. Is this typical/can I expect a workplace, or most workplaces, to let me do this? I thought once...

          I suppose this was another thing I wasn't sure about and just assumed rather than asking anyone. Is this typical/can I expect a workplace, or most workplaces, to let me do this? I thought once they made the offer, I'd basically need to accept it and start working immediately, which is part of the reason I'm hesitant to start applying in earnest. I really did not like the idea of accepting a job offer and then needing to get myself to whatever city in two weeks or less to be present for the first day, signing some random lease because I just urgently needed a place. (I had friends who ended up having to do something like that and wanted to avoid it if possible.)

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          1. RadDevon
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            Some are more receptive than others. It's worth asking. The company I work for now waited a month, but they would have rather I started earlier. One thing you should consider: being on the hook...

            Some are more receptive than others. It's worth asking. The company I work for now waited a month, but they would have rather I started earlier.

            One thing you should consider: being on the hook for ongoing costs and not knowing where that is coming from is also taxing, even when you have a nest egg. I was jobless for a short time with a year's worth of nest egg, and watching that money drain out, not knowing when I would be able to fill it back up again was far more stressful than having a job. You're not really choosing between the stress of having a job or no stress at all. You're choosing between the stress of having a job or the stress of not having financial stability and medical insurance and of watching your savings dwindle, not knowing when you'll have an income again.

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            teaearlgraycold
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            Depends on the job. McDonald’s? 2 weeks sounds about right. Software Engineer? A couple months would be no problem for most places. Google? You can probably go 3 or 4 months out. Executive? I...

            Depends on the job. McDonald’s? 2 weeks sounds about right. Software Engineer? A couple months would be no problem for most places. Google? You can probably go 3 or 4 months out. Executive? I don’t know but maybe 6 months to a year. You get the idea. This is something you may need to negotiate along with your offer (if you have any job market demand do not accept an offer without negotiation). If you have not moved yet you should be able to get the employer to pay for some of your moving expenses. Some will just call it a signing bonus. Negotiate that as well.

            If there’s a lot of job opportunities where you’re moving to then the only cost to trying is your effort now.

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              crius
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              That's all good but the user is going for apply for what seems to be the first job. Even in IT I never heard of the equivalent of an intern being told "sure, you can start in 2 months"

              That's all good but the user is going for apply for what seems to be the first job.

              Even in IT I never heard of the equivalent of an intern being told "sure, you can start in 2 months"

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              1. teaearlgraycold
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                Lots of internships work like that. You'll apply in the winter and perform the job over the summer. This is different and the jobs OP applies to might not technically be internships anyway. But I...

                Lots of internships work like that. You'll apply in the winter and perform the job over the summer. This is different and the jobs OP applies to might not technically be internships anyway. But I don't see why an entry level position couldn't be held for someone the employer likes for a couple of months.

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          3. Moogles
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            Two weeks is the norm. Three shouldn’t be an issue. If you start pushing that your results will vary. But it’ll also probably take awhile to find work anyways—so better to start now and find out...

            Two weeks is the norm. Three shouldn’t be an issue. If you start pushing that your results will vary. But it’ll also probably take awhile to find work anyways—so better to start now and find out then wait and learn it’ll take you six months to find work.

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          4. boxer_dogs_dance
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            You can get an extended stay hotel, or a short term rental when you get a job offer.

            You can get an extended stay hotel, or a short term rental when you get a job offer.

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    rosco
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    First, Congrats on graduating!!!! Second, I have a number of questions and a little insight based on your questions/answers. Financing. Please don't take this as rude, but how are you financing...
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    First, Congrats on graduating!!!!

    Second, I have a number of questions and a little insight based on your questions/answers.

    1. Financing. Please don't take this as rude, but how are you financing everything? It sounds like you've just graduated from university and having $15,600 in liquid cash is ($1200x12+$1200 security deposit), well, rare for someone at that stage of life. And that is just rent. Now add in food (>$400 a month) at ~$5000 for the year, internet ~$800 for the year, and potentially gas/water/electric at ~1200 per year. Just taking care of your base needs will be around $23,000 per year if you can get a reasonable rent in a big city (which also may be closer to $2400 a month).

    Advice: Just make sure you have the finances to pull off that year. The job market is tough right now and you would be surprised how little entry level jobs pay. Also, factor in the loss of income through state/federal tax/FICA/SS. Right out of university I split a 1 bedroom with my best friend and we still barely made ends meet. Things have gotten pretty expensive in the last few years so putting together a budget is a good idea.

    1. Furniture. Do you have a budget for furniture? If you're sitting on a pile of money then the world is your oyster, if not, buying new is incredibly expensive and getting what you want isn't always an option.

    Advice: It's a good idea to have a plan of what you want and start playing the waiting game. You can start with a stand in furniture (something free or reeeeeally cheap) so that you still have the things you need, if not ideal, as you wait for things that better satisfy your wants. For this garage sales, consignment stores, flea markets, and craigslist/facebook marketplace will be your best friend. There are also groups like "buy nothing group" on facebook or freecycle that can also be incredibly helpful. My rule of thumb is to look for things from houses that themselves are clean and well kept. Also looking for washable furniture (i.e. couches with pillows that have removable covers) is the best option. Also reach out to your network. It's always nicer to have a second hand couch or a mattress from someone you know (particularly mattress). Ikea is another great option for things like bedding, towels, etc.

    1. Renting. Can you have any family/friends/guardians act as co-signer?

    Advice: When I rented my first post grad apartment with my friend we didn't collectively make enough to satisfy the minimum requirements of our landlord. My dad was kind enough to act as co-signer which meant if we couldn't pay, he was on the hook. It never became an issue but it was still a very generous thing for him to do. Usually they will need a bank statement showing a lot of money in the bank or a background check on his monthly salary. Either way, it's possible to get around the salary requirements. Or like you said, some will accept the whole term + security deposit. The one caveat is that you might want the ability to break the lease if it turns out you don't like the city, location, or if you have a really hard time finding a job.

    1. Apartment Viewing. No real question.

    Advice: Always see it in person. More than just the space itself, it'll give you an idea of the neighborhood. Other considerations that are only experienced in person: how much light does a place get, how loud are the neighbors, how busy is the street, how close are the things you want to do/eat/see, is the neighborhood kinda rough? Most importantly, how does everything feel. All good questions to answer in person. In some cities there may be low cost student hotels or you may be able to stay with friends/family or get a month long short term rental through something like AirBNB.

    Summary
    Your first time renting is a biiiiig deal and a really big step in life. You should be stoked and proud that you're here! But it can also very confusing and frustrating. Feel free to reach out with any other questions you have, I'm super happy to help where I can.

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      chrysanth
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      Thank you!! It was really tough but I'm proud I was able to get through it. (edit: Not a rude question at all!) The 15.6k is leftover scholarship money from my full ride, which I saved by getting...

      First, Congrats on graduating!!!!

      Thank you!! It was really tough but I'm proud I was able to get through it.

      Financing

      (edit: Not a rude question at all!) The 15.6k is leftover scholarship money from my full ride, which I saved by getting textbooks free online, eating cheap meals, etc. It used to be more, but I lost a lot of it due to getting stuck in a really bad housing situation - running away from one abusive environment just to end up in another because I was desperate, and so on. It was a learning experience, and I want to make sure things go right this time around. I also resolved to start budgeting out of college, and it was one of the first things I did after returning home!

      I don't foresee paying $2400 in rent - I know I said major US cities, but the most expensive cities are off the table (I don't even really want to live in NYC, for example, even if I could afford to), and I'm seeing studios with good enough kitchens for 1200 in parts of Chicago, e.g., Edgewater (longer commute downtown but I'm willing to endure that).

      Indeed and Glassdoor suggest legal assistant jobs pay ~50k/year, after taxes, I'm left with 39.6k. If I'm paying $1200/month in rent (14.4k/year), and if I assume $13k for all expenses over one year ($1000/month plus an extra $1000 for initial furniture/kitchen stocking), I'm left with ~12k of my salary going right into my bank account, which doesn't seem bad? and leaves plenty of room for error or emergencies. The math works out nicely here, but it does assume I can find a job paying that amount, which isn't guaranteed.

      Furniture

      Yeah, I need to make a Facebook account to take advantage of those buy nothing groups, but to get me started, I think I'll just need a bed, desk, and chair, and for the latter two, I don't mind buying something cheap and foldable/portable to tide me over until I can pick something up off Facebook or freecycle or an estate sale or something. Suitcases can serve as a dresser until I find something worth the money, etc. Probably better not to skimp on the bed or frame, though, so I'll do my research now.

      Renting

      Unfortunately, I don't have any family members who can serve as cosigners. I have some who would probably offer to do it, but their credit/finances are so bad that it would probably hurt more than help. It's good to know I can show a bank statement with the money I have, not that it's any guarantee of anything, though.

      Apartment Viewing

      Yeah, I am coming around to the idea of getting a short-term rental or staying at an apartment hotel in order to be able to look at places in person. It'll be expensive, but I'm persuaded by the idea that it's a worthy investment in the long-term. I do have one question, how long should I plan to stay in the short-term rental? Is a month enough time to find a place? I guess if I make looking at apartments my full-time job for that period in time, it's probably sufficient.

      Questions are always popping up randomly in my head as I think of more things I hadn't yet considered, so I'll definitely reach out if I think of something new! Thank you for offering!

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        rosco
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        Awesome, I also want to say that I'm so impressed with how mindful you're being about this whole process! It sounds like you have a great idea of what things cost in the area you want to live in...

        Awesome, I also want to say that I'm so impressed with how mindful you're being about this whole process!

        It sounds like you have a great idea of what things cost in the area you want to live in and having that 15k will be incredibly handy. My suggestion is if you do put down a good amount of money down on the front end then try to reserve some, like 5k, as a rainy day fund. You never know when you're going to need it. Also, as you are currently unemployed get on state healthcare and food benefits like EBT or the state based program as soon as possible. You'll likely get ~200-300 dollars a month for food and that can help keep the saving you do have in tact as you try to find a job. Ditto for health insurance, as that could be the thing that eats up your rainy day fund the most!

        To your question of how long to get a short term rental for, see if you can find a place that does month to month. Every city has a different housing market, differences in seasonal openness, and contract expectations. If you have any friends in Chicago or Philadelphia I would ask them as they would have the best idea. I have some friends who have lived in those cities and can reach out if you don't know folks in your network. Another thought might be to check out or post to those cities specific subreddits. Lastly, finding a place to live can be a full time task - finding the apartments, scheduling viewings, and visiting them. A month might work, but make contingencies for if it doesn't (ie. can i extend my short term rental if needed).

        I just looked at Chicago on Zillow and man there are some really cute places for $1000-1400. There are even some in neighborhoods like Pilsen, that's awesome! The last thing I want to convey is just how fun and special your first adult apartment is! I think that was one of my favorite periods of life. I shared that one bedroom for a year and then moved into a room the size of a walk-in closet in San Francisco and it didn't matter, I loved it. Everything felt new and exciting.

        Also, last piece of totally unsolicited advice: Put effort into finding/making a community wherever you land. Cities can feel pretty lonely sometimes, even with such high density, so having your people is important. One of my big takeaway from moving to new places was if I liked someone I met randomly, get their number. You never know if you'll bump into someone again and having contact details means you have the agency to reengage if you want to. Social activities like rock climbing, running, board game clubs, pub trivia nights, or anything where people are meant to engage are great places to start. Being Covid safe, masking up, and avoiding crowded indoor spaces won't have to prevent you from making friends. Some of us are in the same boat!

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          chrysanth
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          Thank you for the kind and thoughtful reply! Apologies it took me so long to respond, things got a bit worse here at home. After having a chance to read everyone's replies and talk with my...

          Thank you for the kind and thoughtful reply! Apologies it took me so long to respond, things got a bit worse here at home.

          After having a chance to read everyone's replies and talk with my therapist, I figure I will need to secure the job first. I still think having time to myself away from abusive people is critical for my mental health (and it sure feels like some of the other people in this thread giving advice are discounting or ignoring that), but it's true that even with what I've saved, it's not likely to be a comfortable time apartment-hunting if I'm also unemployed. It seems like the reason why my preferred plan is too risky, though, has more to do with the market being so hostile to renters, not because my savings aren't enough. Scams everywhere, exploitative leases and landlords, and rent is super expensive and only getting higher? It's just nuts. If things weren't this bad for renters, then I would feel a lot more comfortable relying on just savings, but I think the risk of getting taken advantage of is just too high without the job. I'm sad about it, and I hope I'll get the time I want in the future, but it just doesn't seem doable in these circumstances, or at least not without sacrificing on some other axis of safety, like COVID.

          All that being said, I appreciate the advice about unemployment and EBT regardless. Never know when it'll come in handy!

          Thanks for the offer to reach out to your own network, I appreciate it. I'll try the subreddits first, like you mentioned, but I'll let you know if I could use your help!

          I think it'll be really fun too! Sometimes it's easy to get down because my home situation and because of how bad this could all go if I'm not careful, but I know I'm being as thoughtful as I can about the important stuff and I'm optimistic that once I'm all settled in a place that's safe, I'll be able to get comfortable and enjoy the experience!

          Put effort into finding/making a community wherever you land ... Being Covid safe, masking up, and avoiding crowded indoor spaces won't have to prevent you from making friends. Some of us are in the same boat!

          Totally! I have some ideas for how to meet people who share my interests, and that'll be my priority once I have job and apartment in hand. Lord knows I'll need to invest in a support system since mine have always been so minimal. Thanks for the encouragement to continue being COVID safe in community with others too! It means a lot, especially with how difficult it is to keep being safe sometimes in the face of so much pressure.

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          1. rosco
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            No problem at all, I'm sorry to hear things aren't going well at home. I know I keep giving unsolicited advice, but I'm going to again :). Non of us actually know or live in your situation, so...

            No problem at all, I'm sorry to hear things aren't going well at home. I know I keep giving unsolicited advice, but I'm going to again :).

            Non of us actually know or live in your situation, so take everything with a grain of salt. I want to double down on how impressed I am with how you're approaching the situation, thinking things through is a great idea. And now the but... but also, listen to your gut and don't be too afraid to take a leap. Often folks can get stuck in cycles of all the reasons not to do something and then not do the thing the wanted to. My take away from all of your replies is that you're smart, considerate, and eager to learn/explore. I think taking a little bit of a risk is ok, like moving out without a job, as long as you're ok dealing with that stress.

            So much of my responses have been "make sure you have x, y, z before you....". But in reality I've done very little of that myself. I moved to San Francisco making juuuuust the bare minimum to make it work. I moved to Europe with my partner without a job and took 5 months off between working. I gave some thought to my moves, but never so much as thinking through a years worth of budget. Granted, take all of this with a grain of salt as well as I had a good support system at home to fall back on.

            One of the highlights of being young is that you have the ability to bounce back if something goes wrong. I had a friend that moved to Thailand to teach rock climbing from 22-28. I always assumed he had messed up and wouldn't be able to do things like buy a house or have kids. Well in the 6 years since he got a full time position with one of the best domestic outdoor eduction groups, got married, bought a house, and had a kid. I only mean to use that to highlight you can take some risks at this part of your life.

            I'm so excited for you and I hope even if things are discouraging (the job market, housing market, and inflation are both really tough on folks entering adulthood now), you can keep up your optimism and excitement. I think a lot of us here are rooting for you! Feel free to reach out or DM if you have more questions or just need to vent! Good luck!

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  3. Gekko
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    A solo studio with any semblance of a kitchen is going to be extremely expensive. Probably doable, but with tight budgeting. Expect less money to buy food and more time spent out of your week...

    A solo studio with any semblance of a kitchen is going to be extremely expensive. Probably doable, but with tight budgeting. Expect less money to buy food and more time spent out of your week preparing meals. Which sounds fine and dandy in isolation, but the first time you have to cancel plans with friends or family because you have to cook your dinner is a real bummer. I get around this with meal prep on the weekends, or making big crock-pot recipes.

    In terms of furnishings, keep it light until you know where you want to stay long term. I made the mistake of buying a bunch of crap in my first apartment and have since moved a couple of times. It sucks having a lot of stuff to pack up and move, or painfully throw away.

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  4. Melvincible
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    I have always opted to try to rent from individuals, rather than companies that own whole apartment complexes. The flexibility you are looking for is pretty uncommon with companies. But...

    I have always opted to try to rent from individuals, rather than companies that own whole apartment complexes. The flexibility you are looking for is pretty uncommon with companies. But individuals who are just looking for the right person often accomodate requests, and usually offer a month to month lease rather than locking you into a 6 or 12 month contract. I've found places on craigslist, but I hear facebook marketplace is a good source also.

    It might be worth making a special trip to see a few places. One of the most common housing related scams is to "be unable to be there in person", it is a huge red flag and people are unlikely to work around that. Not impossible, but extremely uncommon in my experience.

    My advice once you get there, buy everything at goodwill before you buy anything nice. If this is your first time on your own, you won't really know yet what kind of items you'll be keeping long term. Mostly referring to furniture here. It sucks to buy a nice couch or dresser, then find yourself unable to take it with you to the next place. Wait till you know you are stable before spending big bucks on stuff like that.

    This tip is for cities with higher crime - keep a can of hornet spray, or mace, or a taser by your front door :) They also make door stops that prevent a door from being forced open. You can't be too careful.

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    JCPhoenix
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    More corporate places probably would not allow this. These are professional companies that manage properties that they may not even own, and so often aren't able to do this kind of thing without...

    If you offer to pay a landlord the cost of the lease in full, is it typical for the landlord to waive the requirement that you provide proof of employment, or if you asked them to waive that, would they be likely to say yes?

    More corporate places probably would not allow this. These are professional companies that manage properties that they may not even own, and so often aren't able to do this kind of thing without the owner's consent. Worth asking, I suppose, but it probably won't happen. It's risky, even if you pay upfront. And honestly, you don't want to lock yourself in like that. Breaking a lease is "bad" enough for any reason, but to break a lease and be out that money would be horrendous.

    That said, more small-time landlords or owners may be willing to work with you. Look at areas around colleges, where it's not unusual for students to not work fulltime or at all. In Chicago while I was in college, I lived around the UIC area; plenty of small-time landlords aren't looking at income or job requirements. I think neither of the places I lived at did. And there are tons of colleges and college neighborhoods in Chicago.

    Do you buy a mattress and bed frame with the expectation that you'll take it with you whenever you move

    Yes, it's normal to buy and own a frame and mattress, along with the rest of your furniture. I'm 36, but I'm still using a nice metal bedframe my parents originally owned and used like 20yrs ago. My parents bought me a mattress like 10yrs ago when I was still living at home that I've taken with me through 3 apartments in the last 8yrs. I probably got a few more years out of this mattress before retiring it.

    Since I don't live in the city I'll be moving to, I most likely won't be able to see the apartment in person before committing. Any particular ideas on how I could handle this or what I should be wary of?

    I can't really answer this since I've never done this (though I may be doing this soon myself). But I know people who have done this with some success. If you're worried about whether you'll like a place or not, maybe go for a 6mo lease to start with. Then if you like it, sign regular 12mo leases. That's all I can say.

    Good luck!

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      chrysanth
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      Gotcha. It's good to adjust expectations re: that. And it makes sense not to pay in advance regardless, based on what you're saying. I'll look for places not listing job or income requirements....

      Worth asking, I suppose, but it probably won't happen.

      Gotcha. It's good to adjust expectations re: that. And it makes sense not to pay in advance regardless, based on what you're saying. I'll look for places not listing job or income requirements.

      Tangentially, I've been looking at apartments on Zillow and Apartments.com, which, as far as I can tell, are not super convenient when it comes to telling you the details of the lease, e.g., eligibility re: things like income or employment, how long the landlord is looking to lease for, what utilities are and are not included in rent, etc. Do you normally just inquire to every apartment that looks like it could be worth considering and ask all this information to whoever is managing the property? I've also had friends recommend looking for housing on Facebook, but I haven't gotten around to that yet since I'd have to make a new account there.

      normal to buy and own a frame and mattress

      Cool, makes sense. Yeah, I'll start doing some research now so I can hopefully buy something that is quality and will last a good long while!

      maybe go for a 6mo lease to start with

      Also another thing I didn't know was really an option, and honestly probably a little better than signing a 12-month lease for me as a first-time renter. Also I would guess the employment/income requirements would be a little less strict for a six-month.

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      1. InfiniteCombinations
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        Smaller landlords usually only offer one or two lease length options. Larger companies may have more, but you can expect to pay significantly more per month for a shorter lease term. Finding a new...

        Smaller landlords usually only offer one or two lease length options. Larger companies may have more, but you can expect to pay significantly more per month for a shorter lease term. Finding a new tenant and getting the unit ready again costs money and effort, and companies almost universally recoup some of the unit turn costs by increasing your cost per month. With a shorter lease term or poor/limited credit, you can also expect to pay an increased security deposit. Some companies offer the option of a security deposit alternative, where you pay an additional, non-refundable monthly fee instead of the larger but refundable deposit.

        Like @JCPhoenix said, most landlords will not allow anyone to sign a lease without showing ongoing income that can cover the rent. Nearly all but the smallest landlords perform a credit check and/or income verification as part of the application process in the U.S., even if they don’t mention this in the listing. Offering to prepay, especially for only part of the lease term, usually doesn’t remove this requirement. The reason is simply that evicting a tenant costs a lot of money and effort, and sending a person with no income to collections is usually a waste of money from the landlord’s point of view.

        A few property managers may also offer the option of adding a guarantor to your lease, who has adequate income and agrees to pay your rent when you cannot. This is most common (of course) in student housing or cities with large student populations. If you have a close relative (this usually has to be direct family) who is willing to help you in this way, that may be the most practical option for achieving what you’re envisioning.

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  6. [7]
    RadDevon
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    I'm also looking at these two cities, and I think they're both the best in the US for what you're looking for. I've done quite a bit of traveling, trying to find where I want to live, and these...

    I'm looking for a walkable neighborhood and good public transit in addition to affordability, so really looking at Chicago and Philly right now.

    I'm also looking at these two cities, and I think they're both the best in the US for what you're looking for. I've done quite a bit of traveling, trying to find where I want to live, and these are my favorites for those same criteria.

    If you offer to pay a landlord the cost of the lease in full, is it typical for the landlord to waive the requirement that you provide proof of employment, or if you asked them to waive that, would they be likely to say yes?

    I've done this, not to try to short-circuit employment checks, but to try to get a slightly lower rent. In my experience, it's not even been a negotiation but a flat "no." I took that to mean being paid for a year up-front is something landlords aren't the least bit interested in, but this may be me jumping to false conclusions. I wouldn't let this discourage you from trying. You're going to have much better luck with this from smaller landlords, and you'll find plenty of those in the cities you're looking at.

    If I save up part-time earnings for the next 2-3 months…

    I'm going to take a slightly different angle on the advice not to move without a job. What if, instead of using this 2-3 months to save rent you used it to try to get a job in the city of your choice? That would solve your problem of needing to prove employment.

    Recently I realized that when apartments are listed as unfurnished, that means no bed or mattress either. (I kind of see now why futons are a thing.) How do people usually address this issue? Do you buy a mattress and bed frame with the expectation that you'll take it with you whenever you move out to the next apartment?

    When I moved across the country, I asked the apartment if I could have a foam mattress shipped to them before my move-in date. They agreed to let me do that. (This probably only worked because it was a big apartment building that had a package room where they stored deliveries. This might be tough in some of the smaller apartment buildings in Chicago and Philly.) That mattress was there when I arrived, so we opened it and slept on it on the floor while waiting for our other things to arrive. Then, yes, you would take that along with any other furniture with you when you move. If you hire movers, they'll bring a big truck that will easily hold a studio apartment's worth of furniture, including a bed and mattress, so it's not really any harder than moving without one. Moving is a pain, no matter how you slice it.

    Since I don't live in the city I'll be moving to, I most likely won't be able to see the apartment in person before committing. Any particular ideas on how I could handle this or what I should be wary of?

    Most of the apartments and listing agents started doing virtual tours during the early part of the pandemic and would probably still do that. You may not need to pay someone to do it. That said, I would use that only to make your initial short list. I would not sign a lease on anything you haven't seen in-person. Renting an AirBNB while you finish up your search is potentially going to be much more expensive than a short-term rental, but it will ultimately be worthwhile.

    Other advice:

    • I'm looking for an apartment right now in Philly, and leases are wild! Make sure you read them. Most are negotiable. All the leases in Philly seem to want you to sign away your legal right to notice before an eviction. I'm not super excited about that, but I'm not sure yet if that's something they're willing to negotiate on. Many of them also want you to do stuff that I absolutely wouldn't do like maintain their heating and AC and sewers. That should 100% be the landlord's responsibility, but they may try to get you to sign a lease saying you will take responsibility. The other thing I'm noticing in Philly specifically is that they want you to agree to auto-renew the lease at a 5% increase after your lease term. It's a weird ask. Looking at the historical pricing of the rentals in Philly, I can't see anything that would justify this. Apartments are going on the market now for the same rent they went on the market for 3-5 years ago. Why would I want to commit to automatic 5% increases every year? I'm trying to get them to scratch this.
    • Some landlords are willing to negotiate on the lease. Others aren't. I take this as yet another filter to help me decide who I want to work with. If I ask you about the lease and you ghost me, I dodged a bullet. You'd probably also ghost me if I needed you to fix the heat in the winter or the AC in the summer.
    • This move is the most leverage you'll ever have. If you can get a job and get set up in an AirBNB while you hunt for your long-term place, you can walk from any apartment that isn't exactly what you want until you find the right one. Once you have an apartment full of furniture, if you decide to leave it, maybe because the landlord is a jerk or because they're raising your rent, you now have to give a notice to vacate, which means you're on the clock to find another place in something like 30 days. You also (likely) have to pay movers to get your stuff to another place which is going to add a few thousand dollars to your costs. Landlords know this, so they can raise your rent an amount every year that makes no one year enough to make moving make sense. Then, five years later, you find yourself paying almost $350 more per month than you were starting out.
    • I'm convinced most landlords don't know what's in their leases. They just pay a lawyer to write the nastiest, most one-sided lease they can muster, and they start using it. (One landlord in Philly told me as much.) I'm pretty sure most renters don't read the leases either, but I can't take this approach myself… which ends up being maddening. Those renters are probably much happier than me, until something goes wrong. Then, I have a good idea of where I stand, and I guess they're just hoping to claw back some of the rights they signed away by the good graces of the landlord. That's why I tell myself anyway. 😅
    • If you want to be super hands-off with your apartment search, you can find a real estate agent who will look for apartments for you. They are paid a commission when they place you, so you don't have to pay them anything. In my experience, they're not doing much more than what you can do yourself on Zillow. Maybe they're doing a very light filtering pass based on some criteria you've mentioned. They occasionally find me apartments I haven't seen elsewhere, but there are plenty of apartments I see other places that the realtor can't access because this only works when you have listed with a realtor. Individual landlords won't pay the commission, so your realtor won't show you their properties.

    That's all I can think of at the moment. Feel free to ask follow-up questions. I'm by no means an expert, but I'm learning as much as I can right now and happen to be active in the two markets you're interested in.

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    1. [6]
      chrysanth
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      It's really surprising to me that landlords aren't interested in this! I assumed they would be all over it. This is really smart, yeah. I'll definitely ask if this is a possibility. I see what you...

      it's not even been a negotiation but a flat "no."

      It's really surprising to me that landlords aren't interested in this! I assumed they would be all over it.

      asked the apartment if I could have a foam mattress shipped to them before my move-in date

      This is really smart, yeah. I'll definitely ask if this is a possibility.

      This move is the most leverage you'll ever have. If you can get a job and get set up in an AirBNB while you hunt for your long-term place, you can walk from any apartment that isn't exactly what you want until you find the right one.

      I see what you mean, but I'm not sure it's that simple? It's going to be difficult to meet with landlords if I'm working during the day, and asking for days off right after getting hired doesn't seem like it'll make a great impression at work. Also, if I can't find a place by the end of my reservation on the AirBnB, then that puts me in a position where I've got to spend money on another AirBnB or apartment hotel. It's easy for someone else to make a booking that blocks me from extending my current booking, and then I'd have to pay for another AirBnB/apartment hotel reservation or not have a bed - not a lot of leverage there. That's in addition to probably eating out all of the days I'm in the AirBnb/apartment hotel because their kitchens are poorly stocked, can't cook in them.

      In this scenario, I guess having the job means there's more of a cushion for all the spending I'll be doing, but it also seems to get in the way. In fairness, though, it seems like it's going to be a logistical challenge and/or full of uncertainty no matter what route I decide to take.

      Make sure you read them. Many of them also want you to do stuff that I absolutely wouldn't do like maintain their heating and AC and sewers.

      Oh yeah, I will definitely read the lease very carefully, at a minimum, before signing it. The warning to keep an eye out for specific details is helpful. That's absolutely nuts that they'd try to get you on the hook for that by just hoping you don't read. I guess it must work on some people though, or they wouldn't try it.

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      1. stu2b50
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        In my experience realtors and landlords can do visiting sessions after working hours and on the weekends as well. After all, most people work during working hours, and they do want your money in...

        In my experience realtors and landlords can do visiting sessions after working hours and on the weekends as well. After all, most people work during working hours, and they do want your money in the end. So I wouldn't expect to have to take time off, at most just leave early. Just explain that you're apartment hunting and your job should be fine with.

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        JCPhoenix
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        From our side, this sounds reasonable, but I believe there are accounting reasons that may make them uninterested in doing this. It's not illegal, but it's potentially more work and stuff to keep...

        It's really surprising to me that landlords aren't interested in this! I assumed they would be all over it.

        From our side, this sounds reasonable, but I believe there are accounting reasons that may make them uninterested in doing this. It's not illegal, but it's potentially more work and stuff to keep track of on their end. I'm not a lawyer, but I can even imagine some legal issues that could arise if the tenant were to break the lease and want their prepaid money back.

        I see what you mean, but I'm not sure it's that simple? It's going to be difficult to meet with landlords if I'm working during the day, and asking for days off right after getting hired doesn't seem like it'll make a great impression at work.

        Depending on the kind of place you're looking at, the management or landlord may be pretty flexible. I've toured corporate-managed apartments on Saturdays before. Some may even do Sunday viewings. Back in college, my friends and I once called landlord at like 8pm to schedule for the next day. The landlord was gracious enough to meet us right there and then. He gave us the tour and we even signed all the paperwork that night! They understand that people are busy during the days. This is one place where it doesn't hurt to ask.

        Same kinda goes with asking bosses to leave early/come in late or take a day off to find an apartment. Most managers I've worked with are reasonable and understanding, especially in a more professional work setting. It's worth asking, as long as you're not like doing this every week for months. But leaving a few afternoons early in the first month, to go tour? Probably not a huge deal. You need a permanent place to live, they understand that. Or they should understand that; if not, may not be the best place to work. But that's a different discussion!

        One other thing I wanted to recommend is a service/app called Rently. It essentially allows you to tour places on your own, on your schedule. I've used this many times to tour apartments and houses by myself or with my roommate. There's a small fee of a few dollars to use it, but it's worth it for the convenience. In my experience, Rently is mainly used for non-Apartment buildings or complexes. So like mainly houses that are split into 2 or 3 units or, in Chicago, a flat in a 2- or 3-flat apartment building.

        1. InfiniteCombinations
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          One major part of it is that evicting people is a lot of work and cost on the landlord’s part. I’ve seen estimates around $7,000 per case, and tenant protections in different states make it harder...

          From our side, this sounds reasonable, but I believe there are accounting reasons that may make them uninterested in doing this. It's not illegal, but it's potentially more work and stuff to keep track of on their end. I'm not a lawyer, but I can even imagine some legal issues that could arise if the tenant were to break the lease and want their prepaid money back.

          One major part of it is that evicting people is a lot of work and cost on the landlord’s part. I’ve seen estimates around $7,000 per case, and tenant protections in different states make it harder to get a non-paying tenant out. I’d say that’s a good thing from a societal perspective, but from the point of view of someone trying to make rental income, it obviously discourages allowing people with finite resources to move in. There is (again, rightfully so) obviously also bad press associated with evicting people. Sure, having an eviction on your record will make it tough for you to rent anywhere again, but that doesn’t buy the landlord you didn’t pay very much.

          If you evict a non-paying resident and succeed at getting them out, you’re likely also out a bunch of money. In theory, you can send them to collections, but in practice, it’s hard to collect money from someone who doesn’t have any money. So allowing someone with a finite amount of money to move into your rental unit is a very high-risk proposition from the landlord’s standpoint.

          Different legislations also have often complex rules for handling money prepaid by a resident. In some locations, landlords have to pay interest on security deposits as if they were a savings account; in many others, they have to provide detailed statements of what they did with the funds paid, and the resident may have the right to dispute them in various ways. Prepaying rent isn’t common anywhere in the US, so landlords typically aren’t set up to handle this process easily and automatically, as they are with monthly rent payments. It’s some amount of giant hassle for them. And don’t forget that OP is shopping for low-cost units in safe neighborhoods here, which are in high demand almost everywhere. If they were shopping for exclusive luxury units in a place where such units aren’t in demand, a landlord might be more motivated to work with them. As it is, they would be asking someone to take on a large risk and a bunch of effort to rent out an apartment they may already have waitlists for.

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        2. chrysanth
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          All that does make sense, I suppose, with the added context. You have a point that the workplace will likely be understanding about me trying to find a place. And thanks for the tip with Rently! I...

          All that does make sense, I suppose, with the added context. You have a point that the workplace will likely be understanding about me trying to find a place. And thanks for the tip with Rently! I will check that out.

      3. ThrowdoBaggins
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        I can understand you being worried about the optics of starting a new job and immediately taking time off in little bits and pieces, but that’s also a much easier sell if you’re up front about it....

        I can understand you being worried about the optics of starting a new job and immediately taking time off in little bits and pieces, but that’s also a much easier sell if you’re up front about it. If you mention it and ask during the interview, that gives the company the opportunity to decide whether it’s a dealbreaker or not, and both you and the company end up better off.

        Admittedly I’m in Australia and I know the employer/employee relationship is very different here than in the US but I’d definitely recommend against keeping that plan secret during interviews, and then dropping the news on them after you’ve started. Up front is always better.

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    GobiasIndustries
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    As was already pointed out, unfurnished apartments generally don't include anything other than major kitchen appliances. Unless they're specifically mentioned in a listing, don't assume that...

    As was already pointed out, unfurnished apartments generally don't include anything other than major kitchen appliances. Unless they're specifically mentioned in a listing, don't assume that you'll get anything other than a fridge/freezer and a stove. Although you didn't mention laundry, you almost certainly won't have your own washer/dryer in a studio so you'll want to know if there are shared machines in the building and how much they cost per use.

    I've only rented somewhere before moving to another city once, but I felt more comfortable working with larger property management companies rather than individual landlords. I found they were less likely to misrepresent their units, are better equipped to work with you from a distance, and are more reliable when it comes to maintenance.

    If you haven't spent much time in either city you're thinking of, consider going on a quick scouting trip. Visit for a few days and rather than doing tourist stuff, try riding transit during rush hour to and from where you think you might be working, scout out neighborhoods you're interested in to see how far your closest grocery store would be and how sketchy the areas are at night. If you use Reddit, the city subreddits can be a good way to get local opinions on different areas.

    Lastly, when you get a place, the first thing you should do is meticulously document the condition of the unit with photos and videos. If there's a tiny chip in the corner of the bathroom mirror, you'll want to be able to prove it was there before you moved in or you might be on the hook to replace it when you move out.

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    1. chrysanth
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      I'll definitely do this first thing! I've heard some people say you should then send the video to the landlord to make expectations clear, but I figure just holding onto it and making backups...

      Lastly, when you get a place, the first thing you should do is meticulously document the condition of the unit with photos and videos.

      I'll definitely do this first thing! I've heard some people say you should then send the video to the landlord to make expectations clear, but I figure just holding onto it and making backups should be enough? And the tip about the city subreddits is helpful. I'm sure folks in my position have posted there with questions in the past, so I'll check them out.

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    1. chrysanth
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      I believe you, but I'm wondering if you're offering advice on how to handle realtors in case I am using one, or because you think it's better to have a realtor? I was expecting to go this alone,...

      Doing this will also save you from hearing about what areas are "bad" from racist locals. Also keep in mind that realtors in some cities still practice racial segregation pretty heavily. They want to put you in a house and will look for an area full of people they think you match with.

      I believe you, but I'm wondering if you're offering advice on how to handle realtors in case I am using one, or because you think it's better to have a realtor? I was expecting to go this alone, and I don't know any realtors I could trust in the cities I'm hoping to live in, in any event.

      Also 99% of independent rental listings online are a scam. They either want your info to sell to telemarketers or they will try to get you to send a small application fee. I've even seen listings that were up for weeks on Craigslist that were a scam. And lots of people will just straight rent out places they don't own. They will even meet with you, sign paperwork, etc. They may even go so far as to break into a vacant property to show it to you. Always double check that the owner of the property is aware you are trying to rent it.

      Gotcha. Most of the listings I've seen online seem to be associated with a real estate or property management company, but I will keep that in mind and be wary of scams.

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  9. TransFemmeWarmachine
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    Well, welcome to the adult world. Given your lack of personal connections, and familial ties, I must warn you that it is dog eat dog out here. My partner had a very similar "experience" we'll say,...

    Well, welcome to the adult world. Given your lack of personal connections, and familial ties, I must warn you that it is dog eat dog out here. My partner had a very similar "experience" we'll say, and there was a lot of places she probably could have gotten trapped.

    1.) Do NOT under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, pay a landlord a year upfront. It gives them literally no incentive to fix or repair anything that breaks. My partner's first living experience was pretty terrible. She rented a room in a house a few blocks from the university. Her father was unwilling to cosign on it, and desperate, she paid a year upfront. The property was trashed on move in, and she realized it was not a good place to live in within a week of moving there. Due to her paying a year in advance, she had no leverage whatsoever, and had to convince the landlord to let her sublet the room. It worked out in the end, but it was a bad situation. If you do this, you can very easily be taken advantage of, with very little legal recourse.
    2.) Buy a mattress, find the rest of the furniture at thrift stores, or off the side of the road. Honestly, you can find a lot of good stuff in alleys in spring when people are moving in or out. Also, weird thing I've noticed, is I've never had any good bedframes in my adult life. Like, for one, if you're getting a queen mattress or larger, bed frames in any reasonable price-range seem to be very flimsy. I literally bought one from Ikea 2 months ago, and I don't think it will last more than a year. Having a mattress on a floor, especially if you buy a box spring, is a very reasonable thing, imho.
    3. I wouldn't do this. I honestly have heard too many stories of a person getting scammed this way. Budget in money for a hotel, and then just search for places with immediate movein. The upfront cost is higher, but it cuts down on a lot of risk.

    So, landlords are scummy. They just are. It's just one of those businesses. I've actually dealt with it enough that I am the resource for "landlord issues" in my friend group. My brother's friend literally almost lost 2 grand on a crumbling rental that was unlivable like a week ago. (that one ended up getting solved when his mum screamed at the landlord until he got his money back, fortunately enough.) Everyone I know has some sort of "terrible landlord" story. Now, good landlords definitely exist, but you won't know that one is until you've lived under their roof.

    You are Naive. I do not mean to be rude in saying this, but you are a newly minted adult, and you are the exact target of a predatory landlord or management group. Additionally, given your lack of familial ties or local connections, you are in an exceptionally weak position. Additionally, given the stress of your toxic family, you are more likely to make risky decisions, a further weakness. The world likes to chew people like you and spit them out. It actively culls people like you. It's dark, gross, and terrible to people who aren't street smart. Really, take care of yourself, especially if you ain't got others to be there for you.

    From personal experience, I do not think you're making a good career choice. Unless you've literally studied to be a paralegal, it's not an easy profession to break into. My personal experience, is that I have 2BAs, and dropped out of Law School (among other things), and I was never able to find any roles in my midwestern location in the legal industry. At the end of the day, you will be competing with every other newly minted graduate, many of whom are going to have family ties who can get them jobs via connections or nepotism. (The Legal profession is super nepotistic, by the way.)
    Seriously, the easiest way that anyone is going to get a job is via connections. Given AI screening resumes and cover letters, it's way too easy to get flushed out before you even get an interview. Sometimes, you literally need someone on site to put in a good word for you. It's the game, it sucks but it's literally how the world works. Getting jobs is HARD, especially without experience in what you're doing. Unless you have internship experience, I think you should broaden your search, and look further.

    Additionally, you're one of 2 million other college grads from 2023. How many of them are smarter, better connected, stronger, and/or capable then you? Even if you graduated top of your class, about 100,000 of those other students graduated magna cum laude. These are people you will be actively competing with. I don't mean to be a doomsayer, but this world is not conductive to the success of the majority.

    You do have some advantages though. You can technically search the continental USA for jobs, and get an apartment after the job. That's not an advantage most people have. Additionally, you do seem very smart, and you have a plan. Just remember that no plan survives contact with the enemy.

    Final Advice? Search the continental US, find a job you like in a place that seems nice, get the letter of hire, travel to the city, and find a job. When you're there, build community as fast as you can, and find the people you need to get you where you want to be. (Also, Minneapolis is a major city with decent public transit and walkability, imho.)

    At the end of the day, all we have is other people.

    Honestly, I hope this advice is meaningless to you, and you've long since moved to a new city. Best of luck out there!

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    OceanBreezy
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    You could check out FurnishedFinder or other similar sites that travel nurses use. You get a furnished unit on a short term lease. You can take your time looking for a job and a new place to live...

    You could check out FurnishedFinder or other similar sites that travel nurses use. You get a furnished unit on a short term lease. You can take your time looking for a job and a new place to live and acquiring furniture. It's not cheap, but probably better than AirBnB.

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    1. boxer_dogs_dance
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      Thanks! I was unaware and will keep this resource in mind.

      Thanks! I was unaware and will keep this resource in mind.

  11. steezyaspie
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    Just going to reiterate what most other people are saying, that you shouldn't move without a job offer in hand. (Unless you have a lot of money for whatever reason - $15k is not a lot of money in...

    Just going to reiterate what most other people are saying, that you shouldn't move without a job offer in hand. (Unless you have a lot of money for whatever reason - $15k is not a lot of money in this scenario)

    You can negotiate start date to give yourself some time off between school and starting work - as long as you're reasonable about it (e.g. a month is probably fine, 6 months is probably not).

    Most professional jobs will also pay relocation costs as well, in my experience (probably more likely at larger companies, and industry dependent). That can really help you get started with a down payment, new furniture, etc. You won't get this if you're already in the city, or for my company it's within 50 miles I believe.

    Probably the most important piece is that a job offer will ensure you know what your actual compensation will be before you sign a lease. Online estimates can be very hit or miss for that sort of thing and may be averages that include salaries of more experienced people. At the very least, most landlords will want to see a signed offer with salary so they have a degree of confidence that you can actually afford the rent.

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    thesuda
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    Others have said enough about moving without a job and all the finance stuff. I'm more worried about you being rigid about getting studio apartment. It's not a common structure in most apartments,...

    Others have said enough about moving without a job and all the finance stuff. I'm more worried about you being rigid about getting studio apartment. It's not a common structure in most apartments, many good, clean and secure apartment communities will only have 1 bed and above. 1 bed would likely cost the same as a studio apartment in most places. So your requirement should be 'apartment to myself' and not 'studio or nothing'.

    I didn't see anyone mention the commonly known phenomenon of less jobs being processed in the holiday season. It's not applicable to all companies but I have seen it happen in software companies every year. Beyond October, you get less interview invites and the ones that interview you might delay finalizing your job offer until January. It does pick back up in January though. If you need a mental break, you can just gauge the market first and then decide when you should move based on how many call backs you get in first month or so.

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    1. chrysanth
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      I assumed studio just meant "one-bedroom apartment to myself", but I see it may have a meaning more specific than that, so yeah, I see what you mean. Thanks for catching that! Yeah, I did figure...

      I assumed studio just meant "one-bedroom apartment to myself", but I see it may have a meaning more specific than that, so yeah, I see what you mean. Thanks for catching that!

      Yeah, I did figure that hiring at most companies would be slow during the holidays, since everything gets slower during the holidays. It would be a pain to move during the holidays and the cold weather even if I could find a job offer now, so the plan is definitely to just start looking in January with the hopes of settling in within the following 2-3 months.

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    OrangeCat
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    Something that may be a possibility for you if you're very desperate to move and need a short term place is subleasing or month to month rentals. I've seen students subleasing their apartment for...

    Something that may be a possibility for you if you're very desperate to move and need a short term place is subleasing or month to month rentals. I've seen students subleasing their apartment for 1-3 months for either summer break, winter break, or so they don't have to break their lease when they move away early. Often times they keep their stuff in the apartment, so no buying furniture, but that also means you may not have as many options including whether or not you have a roommate. Another thing to consider though is that some of these students may not be doing this legally, which could possibly get you in trouble as a lot of landlords have sublease clauses.

    Some landlords will offer month to month leases, but you should be very careful about predatory landlords when looking at these. Oftentimes landlords who cater to students, new graduates or other not so well off folks prey off their lack of knowledge on tenant rights, and lack of money and time to dispute. You might lose a deposit that way. I speak from experience. Look at reviews carefully, but also know that there are people who lost their deposits for genuine reasons and still complain.

    When you're actually looking for a longer term apartment there are a few things to look out for. Look up what cockroach, termite, rat, and mouse poop look like. Open the kitchen cupboards and look in the back with a flash light to check for signs of pests. If the ac or heater isn't on when you walk in ask to turn it on and note whether you can actually feel hot or cold air coming out the vents. I don't know about Philly but in Chicago you want AC at minimum. You can buy a radiant heater for a studio for around $150 if needed but you will suffer without AC and many rented places don't allow window units. Flush the toilet and test the shower and sinks for water pressure. Look at the windows and ceilings for water damage or mold. This is super important if you get a garden level apartment, aka a half underground one. If there is water damage on the windows or under them around the baseboards or floors, then things likely leak during rain and snow melting. Ask them how often they change furnace and AC filters, and what's covered under their maintenance costs versus yours. Check both any used furniture and the baseboards for bed bugs. It's a long list but there a lot of ways to get screwed on an apartment that I learned the hard way. Hopefully you can't avoid most of them.

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    1. chrysanth
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      I'd heard of students subleasing, but not those month to month leases. Like you mentioned, though, they seem like options only if I'm desperate, and I don't want to leave a bad situation at home...

      I'd heard of students subleasing, but not those month to month leases. Like you mentioned, though, they seem like options only if I'm desperate, and I don't want to leave a bad situation at home just to get into a worse one elsewhere. Things aren't that bad yet, I guess.

      Definitely checking reviews, yep. I was looking at some nice places I'd found, but when I thought to check the reviews, the property management companies had been inundated with (credible) negative ones. Means I probably don't have any choice but to rent a temporary place so that I can evaluate all the places in person. Which would give me the opportunity to really thoroughly look through each apartment like you suggest! Thank you for all those specific recommendations of things to keep an eye out for. Going straight into my notes so I remember to do all that once I'm actually reviewing apartments.

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    I have never heard of anyone doing this, and I've rented in a lot of different situations. Rentals as an investment are supposed to be a steady, long term revenue stream. Without a job, this...
    1. I have never heard of anyone doing this, and I've rented in a lot of different situations. Rentals as an investment are supposed to be a steady, long term revenue stream. Without a job, this one-time up front payment might come off more as a red flag than anything else. Also, don't forget there's going to be a security deposit and they may still want you to have X many month's rent in the bank anyways.

    2. You buy furniture. When you move, you either hire movers or you sell it all and buy everything again for your new place. Sometimes the latter option is the best depending on how cheap/expensive your furniture is. A lot of my furniture is off Craigslist or grabbed off the side of the road (bed being the exception, obviously).

    3. I cannot stress enough how bad of an idea this is. You are about to enter into a year-long legal agreement which will be your greatest expense for the next year, and you want to do this without physically looking at it? Backing out of a lease isn't a painless ordeal. At the very least you'll be expected to pay an additional month's rent in early termination fee (which you'll have to pay on top of the rent and security deposit at your next place), and some jurisdictions can hold you responsible to continue paying rent until the landlord finds a new tenant. An eviction on your record will make you untouchable for years if it falls apart on you.