I liked Clone Wars, and to a lesser extent Rebels, but what I've seen of Filoni's projects since then has been extremely disappointing. He seems to be far too invested in all the weakest parts of...
I liked Clone Wars, and to a lesser extent Rebels, but what I've seen of Filoni's projects since then has been extremely disappointing. He seems to be far too invested in all the weakest parts of his early works, especially an insistence on repeatedly returning to old characters and tying so many seemingly disparate things together that the stories feel repetitive and incestuous.
In retrospect, Clone Wars was a very favorable project for Filoni to take on. He had Lucas's guidance and massive financial backing, plus a pretty good set of story bookends he was beholden to. He also had a bunch of preexisting characters that his audience either liked or wanted to like, and his primary job was to rehabilitate some (mostly Anakin) and flesh out a host of others who were mostly cardboard cutouts in the prequels. Clone Wars' meandering setting meant that random drop ins on mostly irrelevant legacy characters were mostly harmless fun. Further, his one really whacky choice that could easily have been awful (bringing back Darth Maul) was actually executed really well, rehabbing yet another cardboard character into a somewhat complicated yet clearly evil villain. The actual plots are limited in scope by the setting, and compress nicely into satisfying 1-4 episode arcs.
Rebels gave him more freedom to create a full story arc himself, and forced him to create his main characters whole cloth. The later mostly worked, the former was a bit of a mess held together by those characters. Nearly everything after that has been very disappointing.
Filoni's early works succeed at creating interesting characters, either new or from woefully underdeveloped existing characters. Which makes it really ridiculous how his later works mostly just want to check in on those characters, or others from original films, and run them through new-ish grandiose stories that just don't hold up very well. It reads to me as a failure to identify what he's good at, buoyed by portions of the fanbase who really do just want to see their favorite characters doing more things, and have as many references as possible crammed in for them to notice.
Filoni is a lore geek, and I think being overly fixated on lore makes for bad stories. Star Wars is supposed to be a VAST galaxy. There’s room in the worldbuilding for incredible numbers of tales...
Filoni is a lore geek, and I think being overly fixated on lore makes for bad stories.
Star Wars is supposed to be a VAST galaxy. There’s room in the worldbuilding for incredible numbers of tales that have nothing to do with each other, but for some reason every single fucking thing has to tie back to Darth Vader and his family drama. Why?
I’ve grown to deeply dislike lore, canon, and continuity in general as areas of focus for genre fiction. They’ve kind of ruined things by making everything seem like it’s just about answering questions nobody had and making references to stuff I’ve seen before.
On the one hand, sure, Star Wars takes place in a big galaxy with lots of other things going on. On the other hand though, so does literally every other piece of fiction. You could make a Star...
On the one hand, sure, Star Wars takes place in a big galaxy with lots of other things going on. On the other hand though, so does literally every other piece of fiction.
You could make a Star Wars movie that takes place on some planet that doesn't know about space travel or light sabers, and they just drive cars to work and it's about some guy's struggling with his marriage or something, but why would you? What would be the point of that being a Star Wars movie?
You could make a Jurassic Park movie that's just a spy thriller about genetic research that Biosyn is doing, and it takes place in the Jurassic Park universe. What would be the point though? Everyone would just say "why is this a Jurassic Park movie if there aren't any dinosaurs".
Jurassic Park is about dinosaurs in a similar way that star wars is about light sabers and space battles. It's in the title.
The whole reason the IP is valuable and identifiable is because of light sabers, Darth Vader, x-wings, Jedi, and so on. If you're not including those things, is it really a star wars movie? Or is it just some random sci fi movie with Star wars slapped on the title?
From an artistic perspective, if you're going to make a movie that doesn't have to do with any of the things above, why even call that movie star wars, and not just make a different movie? The setting isn't interesting or unique because it takes place in space and people have laser guns. There are literally tens of thousands of settings like that.
It's interesting, at least in theory, because of the Star Wars stuff.
Respectfully, I think this is too narrow of a view of what makes Star Wars what it is, and an over simplification of the point NaraVara made. They never asked to drop the all the iconography of...
Respectfully, I think this is too narrow of a view of what makes Star Wars what it is, and an over simplification of the point NaraVara made. They never asked to drop the all the iconography of the series, or make it a drama about a mundane guy, just to separate it from the Skywalkers a bit, which has already been done outside of the main saga of films, and done well.
Look at Knights of the Old Republic, two games set thousands of years prior to the Skywalker saga that have quite literally no relation to any of the main films, and yet they are, in my opinion, the best star wars media the franchise has to offer. They offer deep introspections into the thematic heart of star wars, from two different angles, and still have cool ships, jedi and sith, lightsabers, and everything that makes Star Wars what it is. You don't need to have Darth Vader and the Skywalker drama to make a piece of Star Wars media. The pull between light and dark, passion and order, authority and a lack thereof, those are integral to Star Wars. Sure, a lot of other properties have guys in space with lasers, but the guys in question and how they are portrayed matter. The aliens, tech, and planets in Star Wars all have a distinct feel and vibe that makes them Star Wars, its not just the guy in the mask with the funny breathing or the specific types of starships. You can explore so much of that setting and still have it be recognizably the series it claims to be, while not retreading the same ground for almost 50 years.
For a quick example, a story from the perspective of non force users, say smugglers or bounty hunters, could still do a lot of work exploring the force and how it affects those who are unable to access it. Like the terrror a lightsaber would strike into ordinary folk, or how awe-inspiring and unnerving the force would be to those who can only view it from afar. If you think about it, access to the force is access to a weapon of mass destruction. That upsets the balance of power and society, thats interesting to explore, imo. Again, just because it doesnt have Darth Vader or any of the skywalkers doesnt mean it isn't Star Wars, if you are still exploring integral concepts of the setting, that counts, and can even enrich the experience of the rest of the franchise.
The lack of Jedi is what has bothered me about basically everything Disney has does with Star Wars. I can look past it for Andor, because it was excellent, or Mandalorian for being one of the...
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The lack of Jedi is what has bothered me about basically everything Disney has does with Star Wars. I can look past it for Andor, because it was excellent, or Mandalorian for being one of the first shows to do something a bit different...
The films Lucas made have always revolved around the central concept of a monastic order of space wizard samurai roaming the galaxy as peacekeepers. This idea was heavily borrowed from Kurosawa's films, to the degree that the first pick for Obi-Wan was Toshiro Mifune. Star Wars is a superhuman ronin wandering into town and messing up some bad guys. It's kendo-derived sword action over a bottomless pit.
Disney has fallen down hard on fight choreography, and they seem allergic to the ideals of the Jedi. (Also, they won't stop trying to tack an "S" onto a word that's already plural, which just comes off as fanfiction-y.)
I think setting something in the Old Republic or Hyperspace War would be interesting. Any time before the OT instead of directly after would be nice at this point.
I wish they’d let the writers from the BioWare Star Wars mmo loose on the cinematic universe. Some of the writing in the game and the cutscenes are incredible. Most of it has nothing to do with...
I wish they’d let the writers from the BioWare Star Wars mmo loose on the cinematic universe. Some of the writing in the game and the cutscenes are incredible. Most of it has nothing to do with previous characters or nostalgia either.
BioWare’s writing has its own issues that I think we kind of gloss over because they’re worked into a game mechanic. Like the very black and white morality and the way every story has to have a...
BioWare’s writing has its own issues that I think we kind of gloss over because they’re worked into a game mechanic. Like the very black and white morality and the way every story has to have a galactic scope where the metaphysical nature of reality needs to change to resolve the main conflict.
I agree that being overly fixated on lore is not always appealing, but I feel that when Disney acquired the Star Wars IP they already gave up on caring about lore and stuff as they discarded all...
I agree that being overly fixated on lore is not always appealing, but I feel that when Disney acquired the Star Wars IP they already gave up on caring about lore and stuff as they discarded all the extended universe material as noncanon and decided they didnt really care about any of that.
...and then they made Palpatine the bad guy again anyway.
Rejecting geekery doesnt automatically serve as a substitute for creativity and vision.
It does do the Filoni thing, though, of taking a character we don't know much about and exploring their backstory. But its a supremely successful example of that because it's about so much more...
It does do the Filoni thing, though, of taking a character we don't know much about and exploring their backstory.
But its a supremely successful example of that because it's about so much more than Andor's history. Andor was just the character used to get to the story, rather than the entirety of the story being the character.
I think if Filoni serves as a "big picture" guy, leaving the actual implementation to others, then this may be a good thing. Certainly can't be worse than Kennedy, but to her credit we did get...
I think if Filoni serves as a "big picture" guy, leaving the actual implementation to others, then this may be a good thing. Certainly can't be worse than Kennedy, but to her credit we did get Andor, the first couple seasons of Mandalorian, and a few really great moments from Kenobi while under her leadership.
Really though I'm not sure I even care anymore? There was a time in my life where the thought of not watching something Star Wars related was unfathomable, but now I'm totally fine having missed multiple TV shows and don't have much interest in watching them.
Like I haven't seen the last seasons or so of The Mandalorian and I don't care to catchup. And this is coming from me, someone who was such a fan of Boba Fett prior to The Mandalorian and BoBF that I got a mythosaur skull tattooed on me way before the shows came along. They've seriously screwed the franchise up so badly that I'm just completely disinterested in it for the most part.
This is the general feeling. Star Wars never connected with GenZ and Gen Alpha. It stopped at millennials and then it’s like older millennials. And they did a bunch of stuff to alienate those...
Really though I'm not sure I even care anymore? There was a time in my life where the thought of not watching something Star Wars related was unfathomable, but now I'm totally fine having missed multiple TV shows and don't have much interest in watching them.
This is the general feeling. Star Wars never connected with GenZ and Gen Alpha. It stopped at millennials and then it’s like older millennials. And they did a bunch of stuff to alienate those viewers while not growing the audience.
They’re attempting to get a younger crowd with Star Wars Starfighter next year but we’ll see if it works
I was trying to explain why old heads hated the prequels to younger people the other day and it was kind of a struggle because from their mental model the prequels and Clone Wars and all that...
I was trying to explain why old heads hated the prequels to younger people the other day and it was kind of a struggle because from their mental model the prequels and Clone Wars and all that other errata was always part of the Star Wars universe.
I had to explain that before all that, when all you had was the original trilogy, all of that stuff was just unknown backstory that made the core story more rich. We didn’t really know what “The Clone Wars” were or what the Jedi order was like. The prequels collapsed the whole possibility space into this specific stuff you know now, and it was everywhere less interesting or fun than whatever was going on in peoples’ heads. And that’s before getting into weaknesses in the filmmaking itself.
I've definitely seen this with my own kids. Like they're aware of Star Wars and enjoy a few random toys and kid books* I bought them over the years, but any time I've ever said "hey let's watch...
I've definitely seen this with my own kids. Like they're aware of Star Wars and enjoy a few random toys and kid books* I bought them over the years, but any time I've ever said "hey let's watch <literally anything star wars>" they have zero interest. I think they enjoy it because I enjoy it, and that's definitely not enough to grab their interest for a show or a movie.
*Sadly I don't see a future where they enjoy the Thrawn trilogy or Shadows of the Empire
From the fan reactions to this and the earlier Star Trek Academy reaction, this is one of those times when I feel lucky that my favorite franchise is Stargate.
From the fan reactions to this and the earlier Star Trek Academy reaction, this is one of those times when I feel lucky that my favorite franchise is Stargate.
Personally, I prefer Wormhole X-Treme. Edit: I should add to the discussion. We still don't know what the new series is. I'm glad they got some of the original producers, though. Hopeful it will...
Personally, I prefer Wormhole X-Treme.
Edit: I should add to the discussion.
We still don't know what the new series is. I'm glad they got some of the original producers, though. Hopeful it will scratch the right itches. I'm thinking: force vs patience, cultural exploration, the role and power of religion in subjugation, and some proper time to get to know the characters without teen romance tropes.
We’ll have to see what they have in mind. I’m personally hopeful we’re not going with the USAF angle again. There’s bound to be other stories that can be told, I think Atlantis and Universe proved...
We’ll have to see what they have in mind. I’m personally hopeful we’re not going with the USAF angle again. There’s bound to be other stories that can be told, I think Atlantis and Universe proved that, though they did still have their ooh-rahs.
I meannnnn... Technically they already did that. It was called Deep Space Nine and it was incredible. The main issue is that Alex Kurtzman doesn't have a shred of the talent that Ronald D Moore does.
I meannnnn... Technically they already did that. It was called Deep Space Nine and it was incredible.
The main issue is that Alex Kurtzman doesn't have a shred of the talent that Ronald D Moore does.
Well I thought I was going to have to give the bad news about the new Stargate series but it seems like that's dead now. So no chance of disappointment on that front at least. I can't get over how...
Well I thought I was going to have to give the bad news about the new Stargate series but it seems like that's dead now. So no chance of disappointment on that front at least.
I can't get over how everyone in charge of Star <Wars|Trek> seems laser focused on making their universes seem like they have a smaller population than Wyoming. Stargate at least had the excuse of the protagonists being all part of a single organization on a single planet, and actually branched off with mostly new characters/settings/situations when given the chance with Atlantis / Universe.
I’m not sure I’m following you with Stargate: did Amazon kill the new series that they just announced in November? The one being helmed by Martin Gero?
I’m not sure I’m following you with Stargate: did Amazon kill the new series that they just announced in November? The one being helmed by Martin Gero?
When I checked the wiki a few hours ago it looked like it had been cancelled? Looking at the page now I think I was confusing the Brad Wright pitch and the Amazon/MGM one. Was cautiously...
When I checked the wiki a few hours ago it looked like it had been cancelled? Looking at the page now I think I was confusing the Brad Wright pitch and the Amazon/MGM one.
Was cautiously optimistic about having a new SG series so hopefully it's still on.
Now that Filoni is in charge, we can just start again from where Force Awakens left off and have Luke force grab his lightsaber from Rey, then he flies off, chucks Kylo Ren down a reactor, recruit...
Now that Filoni is in charge, we can just start again from where Force Awakens left off and have Luke force grab his lightsaber from Rey, then he flies off, chucks Kylo Ren down a reactor, recruit his good twin sister, pull a spare Han out of a Jedi clone vat thing, and have him get the band back together to take on the Yuuzhan Vong, led into this galaxy by Luke's own slightly larger evil twin. Hell, throw in the X-Men, you can do that now!
I am, 100% on board for this so long as Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes do a full jizz score for the film. Oh! I also want a Jek Porkins trilogy... and maybe he marries Dazzler, played by Taylor...
I am, 100% on board for this so long as Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes do a full jizz score for the film. Oh! I also want a Jek Porkins trilogy... and maybe he marries Dazzler, played by Taylor Swift.
I don't think I saw any comments here mention this particular last paragraph from the article: Which I find interesting because it seems to be a very clear, if non-explicit, statement on their...
I don't think I saw any comments here mention this particular last paragraph from the article:
This week, in a prophetic movie, Disneyland announced a pivot at Star Warsland. It will phase out characters and storylines created during the Kennedy-run sequels such as Kylo Ren and bringing back Darth Vader and other Lucas creations.
Which I find interesting because it seems to be a very clear, if non-explicit, statement on their estimation of the appeal of the sequel trilogy vis a vis the original (potentially and prequel, depending what else is included under "other Lucas creations") trilogy.
A renunciation almost, if it is indeed a full replacement rather than just a re-inclusion.
I misread that as Brennan Lee Mulligan while I was scrolling and thought we were about to get some cool animated shows with Critical Role voice actors...
Exec Lynwen Brennan
I misread that as Brennan Lee Mulligan while I was scrolling and thought we were about to get some cool animated shows with Critical Role voice actors...
I liked Clone Wars, and to a lesser extent Rebels, but what I've seen of Filoni's projects since then has been extremely disappointing. He seems to be far too invested in all the weakest parts of his early works, especially an insistence on repeatedly returning to old characters and tying so many seemingly disparate things together that the stories feel repetitive and incestuous.
In retrospect, Clone Wars was a very favorable project for Filoni to take on. He had Lucas's guidance and massive financial backing, plus a pretty good set of story bookends he was beholden to. He also had a bunch of preexisting characters that his audience either liked or wanted to like, and his primary job was to rehabilitate some (mostly Anakin) and flesh out a host of others who were mostly cardboard cutouts in the prequels. Clone Wars' meandering setting meant that random drop ins on mostly irrelevant legacy characters were mostly harmless fun. Further, his one really whacky choice that could easily have been awful (bringing back Darth Maul) was actually executed really well, rehabbing yet another cardboard character into a somewhat complicated yet clearly evil villain. The actual plots are limited in scope by the setting, and compress nicely into satisfying 1-4 episode arcs.
Rebels gave him more freedom to create a full story arc himself, and forced him to create his main characters whole cloth. The later mostly worked, the former was a bit of a mess held together by those characters. Nearly everything after that has been very disappointing.
Filoni's early works succeed at creating interesting characters, either new or from woefully underdeveloped existing characters. Which makes it really ridiculous how his later works mostly just want to check in on those characters, or others from original films, and run them through new-ish grandiose stories that just don't hold up very well. It reads to me as a failure to identify what he's good at, buoyed by portions of the fanbase who really do just want to see their favorite characters doing more things, and have as many references as possible crammed in for them to notice.
Filoni is a lore geek, and I think being overly fixated on lore makes for bad stories.
Star Wars is supposed to be a VAST galaxy. There’s room in the worldbuilding for incredible numbers of tales that have nothing to do with each other, but for some reason every single fucking thing has to tie back to Darth Vader and his family drama. Why?
I’ve grown to deeply dislike lore, canon, and continuity in general as areas of focus for genre fiction. They’ve kind of ruined things by making everything seem like it’s just about answering questions nobody had and making references to stuff I’ve seen before.
On the one hand, sure, Star Wars takes place in a big galaxy with lots of other things going on. On the other hand though, so does literally every other piece of fiction.
You could make a Star Wars movie that takes place on some planet that doesn't know about space travel or light sabers, and they just drive cars to work and it's about some guy's struggling with his marriage or something, but why would you? What would be the point of that being a Star Wars movie?
You could make a Jurassic Park movie that's just a spy thriller about genetic research that Biosyn is doing, and it takes place in the Jurassic Park universe. What would be the point though? Everyone would just say "why is this a Jurassic Park movie if there aren't any dinosaurs".
Jurassic Park is about dinosaurs in a similar way that star wars is about light sabers and space battles. It's in the title.
The whole reason the IP is valuable and identifiable is because of light sabers, Darth Vader, x-wings, Jedi, and so on. If you're not including those things, is it really a star wars movie? Or is it just some random sci fi movie with Star wars slapped on the title?
From an artistic perspective, if you're going to make a movie that doesn't have to do with any of the things above, why even call that movie star wars, and not just make a different movie? The setting isn't interesting or unique because it takes place in space and people have laser guns. There are literally tens of thousands of settings like that.
It's interesting, at least in theory, because of the Star Wars stuff.
Respectfully, I think this is too narrow of a view of what makes Star Wars what it is, and an over simplification of the point NaraVara made. They never asked to drop the all the iconography of the series, or make it a drama about a mundane guy, just to separate it from the Skywalkers a bit, which has already been done outside of the main saga of films, and done well.
Look at Knights of the Old Republic, two games set thousands of years prior to the Skywalker saga that have quite literally no relation to any of the main films, and yet they are, in my opinion, the best star wars media the franchise has to offer. They offer deep introspections into the thematic heart of star wars, from two different angles, and still have cool ships, jedi and sith, lightsabers, and everything that makes Star Wars what it is. You don't need to have Darth Vader and the Skywalker drama to make a piece of Star Wars media. The pull between light and dark, passion and order, authority and a lack thereof, those are integral to Star Wars. Sure, a lot of other properties have guys in space with lasers, but the guys in question and how they are portrayed matter. The aliens, tech, and planets in Star Wars all have a distinct feel and vibe that makes them Star Wars, its not just the guy in the mask with the funny breathing or the specific types of starships. You can explore so much of that setting and still have it be recognizably the series it claims to be, while not retreading the same ground for almost 50 years.
For a quick example, a story from the perspective of non force users, say smugglers or bounty hunters, could still do a lot of work exploring the force and how it affects those who are unable to access it. Like the terrror a lightsaber would strike into ordinary folk, or how awe-inspiring and unnerving the force would be to those who can only view it from afar. If you think about it, access to the force is access to a weapon of mass destruction. That upsets the balance of power and society, thats interesting to explore, imo. Again, just because it doesnt have Darth Vader or any of the skywalkers doesnt mean it isn't Star Wars, if you are still exploring integral concepts of the setting, that counts, and can even enrich the experience of the rest of the franchise.
Edit: clairfied some poor wording.
The lack of Jedi is what has bothered me about basically everything Disney has does with Star Wars. I can look past it for Andor, because it was excellent, or Mandalorian for being one of the first shows to do something a bit different...
The films Lucas made have always revolved around the central concept of a monastic order of space wizard samurai roaming the galaxy as peacekeepers. This idea was heavily borrowed from Kurosawa's films, to the degree that the first pick for Obi-Wan was Toshiro Mifune. Star Wars is a superhuman ronin wandering into town and messing up some bad guys. It's kendo-derived sword action over a bottomless pit.
Disney has fallen down hard on fight choreography, and they seem allergic to the ideals of the Jedi. (Also, they won't stop trying to tack an "S" onto a word that's already plural, which just comes off as fanfiction-y.)
I think setting something in the Old Republic or Hyperspace War would be interesting. Any time before the OT instead of directly after would be nice at this point.
I wish they’d let the writers from the BioWare Star Wars mmo loose on the cinematic universe. Some of the writing in the game and the cutscenes are incredible. Most of it has nothing to do with previous characters or nostalgia either.
BioWare’s writing has its own issues that I think we kind of gloss over because they’re worked into a game mechanic. Like the very black and white morality and the way every story has to have a galactic scope where the metaphysical nature of reality needs to change to resolve the main conflict.
I’ll take that over every story needing to involve Anakin or Luke.
I agree that being overly fixated on lore is not always appealing, but I feel that when Disney acquired the Star Wars IP they already gave up on caring about lore and stuff as they discarded all the extended universe material as noncanon and decided they didnt really care about any of that.
...and then they made Palpatine the bad guy again anyway.
Rejecting geekery doesnt automatically serve as a substitute for creativity and vision.
Andor is so great.
I also found myself enjoying skeleton crew.
I how they will tackle a trilogy.
Filoni wasn't involved with Andor at all though.
It does do the Filoni thing, though, of taking a character we don't know much about and exploring their backstory.
But its a supremely successful example of that because it's about so much more than Andor's history. Andor was just the character used to get to the story, rather than the entirety of the story being the character.
I think if Filoni serves as a "big picture" guy, leaving the actual implementation to others, then this may be a good thing. Certainly can't be worse than Kennedy, but to her credit we did get Andor, the first couple seasons of Mandalorian, and a few really great moments from Kenobi while under her leadership.
Really though I'm not sure I even care anymore? There was a time in my life where the thought of not watching something Star Wars related was unfathomable, but now I'm totally fine having missed multiple TV shows and don't have much interest in watching them.
Like I haven't seen the last seasons or so of The Mandalorian and I don't care to catchup. And this is coming from me, someone who was such a fan of Boba Fett prior to The Mandalorian and BoBF that I got a mythosaur skull tattooed on me way before the shows came along. They've seriously screwed the franchise up so badly that I'm just completely disinterested in it for the most part.
This is the general feeling. Star Wars never connected with GenZ and Gen Alpha. It stopped at millennials and then it’s like older millennials. And they did a bunch of stuff to alienate those viewers while not growing the audience.
They’re attempting to get a younger crowd with Star Wars Starfighter next year but we’ll see if it works
I was trying to explain why old heads hated the prequels to younger people the other day and it was kind of a struggle because from their mental model the prequels and Clone Wars and all that other errata was always part of the Star Wars universe.
I had to explain that before all that, when all you had was the original trilogy, all of that stuff was just unknown backstory that made the core story more rich. We didn’t really know what “The Clone Wars” were or what the Jedi order was like. The prequels collapsed the whole possibility space into this specific stuff you know now, and it was everywhere less interesting or fun than whatever was going on in peoples’ heads. And that’s before getting into weaknesses in the filmmaking itself.
I've definitely seen this with my own kids. Like they're aware of Star Wars and enjoy a few random toys and kid books* I bought them over the years, but any time I've ever said "hey let's watch <literally anything star wars>" they have zero interest. I think they enjoy it because I enjoy it, and that's definitely not enough to grab their interest for a show or a movie.
*Sadly I don't see a future where they enjoy the Thrawn trilogy or Shadows of the Empire
From the fan reactions to this and the earlier Star Trek Academy reaction, this is one of those times when I feel lucky that my favorite franchise is Stargate.
Personally, I prefer Wormhole X-Treme.
Edit: I should add to the discussion.
We still don't know what the new series is. I'm glad they got some of the original producers, though. Hopeful it will scratch the right itches. I'm thinking: force vs patience, cultural exploration, the role and power of religion in subjugation, and some proper time to get to know the characters without teen romance tropes.
We’ll have to see what they have in mind. I’m personally hopeful we’re not going with the USAF angle again. There’s bound to be other stories that can be told, I think Atlantis and Universe proved that, though they did still have their ooh-rahs.
What if we made a Star Trek that had nothing to do with trekking across the stars?
I meannnnn... Technically they already did that. It was called Deep Space Nine and it was incredible.
The main issue is that Alex Kurtzman doesn't have a shred of the talent that Ronald D Moore does.
I’m sure they’ll go out to the stars at some point, surely. Right? They’ll trek somewhere?
Well I thought I was going to have to give the bad news about the new Stargate series but it seems like that's dead now. So no chance of disappointment on that front at least.
I can't get over how everyone in charge of Star <Wars|Trek> seems laser focused on making their universes seem like they have a smaller population than Wyoming. Stargate at least had the excuse of the protagonists being all part of a single organization on a single planet, and actually branched off with mostly new characters/settings/situations when given the chance with Atlantis / Universe.
I’m not sure I’m following you with Stargate: did Amazon kill the new series that they just announced in November? The one being helmed by Martin Gero?
When I checked the wiki a few hours ago it looked like it had been cancelled? Looking at the page now I think I was confusing the Brad Wright pitch and the Amazon/MGM one.
Was cautiously optimistic about having a new SG series so hopefully it's still on.
Filoni should scrap this new bullshit and revert to Legends and make a nine season Legacy of the Force series with Sebastian Stan as Luke. #nobensolo
Now that Filoni is in charge, we can just start again from where Force Awakens left off and have Luke force grab his lightsaber from Rey, then he flies off, chucks Kylo Ren down a reactor, recruit his good twin sister, pull a spare Han out of a Jedi clone vat thing, and have him get the band back together to take on the Yuuzhan Vong, led into this galaxy by Luke's own slightly larger evil twin. Hell, throw in the X-Men, you can do that now!
I am, 100% on board for this so long as Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes do a full jizz score for the film. Oh! I also want a Jek Porkins trilogy... and maybe he marries Dazzler, played by Taylor Swift.
... a what now
Are you not a jizz fan?
Oh no, I
finallyforgot about that!Welcome back to the jizz-wailer fan club.
i love jizz.
I don't think I saw any comments here mention this particular last paragraph from the article:
Which I find interesting because it seems to be a very clear, if non-explicit, statement on their estimation of the appeal of the sequel trilogy vis a vis the original (potentially and prequel, depending what else is included under "other Lucas creations") trilogy.
A renunciation almost, if it is indeed a full replacement rather than just a re-inclusion.
I misread that as Brennan Lee Mulligan while I was scrolling and thought we were about to get some cool animated shows with Critical Role voice actors...
And take him away from his real love of making American Girl doll shoes?
Tbf though if they do an animated show you're getting those voices anyway.
Gosh I hope not, our youngest got an American Girl doll for Christmas and it's the perfect excuse to support Brennan's new venture.