23 votes

2020 Election News and Information (Week of November 1st)

A thread you can easily ignore

A new week a new thread

As the pace and the quantity of information that is coming out of the election increases. Instead of creating a new post for everything, or not posting things because it is a smaller item, please feel free to post here.
Feel free to break out any information posted here into its own thread if the discussion warrants it.

Major news can/should be broken out into its own topic. (use your own discretion)

Final thread before the election

54 comments

  1. [3]
    skybrian
    Link
    Texas Supreme Court rejects Republican-led effort to throw out nearly 127,000 Harris County votes
    18 votes
    1. [2]
      Comment deleted by author
      Link Parent
      1. Deimos
        Link Parent
        Some more good info on the case from Judd Legum's Popular Information newsletter too: Messing with Texas

        Some more good info on the case from Judd Legum's Popular Information newsletter too: Messing with Texas

        4 votes
  2. [8]
    RapidEyeMovement
    Link
    Trump Is Barricading Himself Behind a Massive 'Non-Scalable' Fence on Election Day

    Trump Is Barricading Himself Behind a Massive 'Non-Scalable' Fence on Election Day

    The D.C. police department is expecting protests and unrest, and spent about $130,000 on tear gas and other “less-lethal” munitions to prepare.

    10 votes
    1. [7]
      unknown user
      Link Parent
      Sign of a healthy democracy right there.

      Sign of a healthy democracy right there.

      15 votes
      1. [6]
        RapidEyeMovement
        (edited )
        Link Parent
        oh we're fucked. My worry is that even if we are able to de-worm the whitehouse of him. He is going to start "The Trump News Network". That will allow him a large mouth piece long after this...

        oh we're fucked. My worry is that even if we are able to de-worm the whitehouse of him. He is going to start "The Trump News Network". That will allow him a large mouth piece long after this election is gone.

        5 votes
        1. [3]
          AugustusFerdinand
          (edited )
          Link Parent
          If Biden wins there needs to be a push to reinstate the FCC fairness doctrine which has directly lead to the extremely partisan reporting.

          If Biden wins there needs to be a push to reinstate the FCC fairness doctrine which has directly lead to the extremely partisan reporting.

          6 votes
        2. [2]
          aphoenix
          Link Parent
          When Biden wins, I expect Trump to eventually end up in prison.

          When Biden wins, I expect Trump to eventually end up in prison.

          2 votes
  3. RapidEyeMovement
    Link
    Supreme Court throws out First Amendment ruling against Black Lives Matter activist DeRay Mckesson

    Supreme Court throws out First Amendment ruling against Black Lives Matter activist DeRay Mckesson

    The justices tossed out a federal appeals court decision that allowed a Black Lives Matter protest organizer to be sued by a police officer injured by an unknown assailant.

    The Supreme Court, in an unsigned opinion*, said that appeals court should not have reached its ruling, based on free speech rights, without a clear understanding of Louisiana law. They sent the case back for further review.
    *unsigned opinion which means all justices broadly agreed

    6 votes
  4. [10]
    RapidEyeMovement
    Link
    Spanberger on the Dem caucus call We might get a new speaker out of all this.

    Spanberger on the Dem caucus call

    We lost races we shouldn’t have lost.
    Defund police almost cost me my race bc of an attack ad.
    Don’t say socialism ever again.
    Need to get back to basics.
    (Is yelling.)

    We might get a new speaker out of all this.

    6 votes
    1. [5]
      Comment deleted by author
      Link Parent
      1. [3]
        Whom
        Link Parent
        I don't know how you can possibly look at the current state of the democratic party / american politics and think "You know what the problem is? It's not uninspiring and wishywashy enough! They...
        • Exemplary

        I don't know how you can possibly look at the current state of the democratic party / american politics and think "You know what the problem is? It's not uninspiring and wishywashy enough! They need to say less and lean even harder into unoffensive respectability."

        Jesus Christ, people need something to vote FOR, not just against The Bad People.

        12 votes
        1. [3]
          Comment deleted by author
          Link Parent
          1. Whom
            Link Parent
            I'm not sure when "my vision" was put to vote.

            I'm not sure when "my vision" was put to vote.

            8 votes
          2. [2]
            Comment deleted by author
            Link Parent
            1. [2]
              Comment deleted by author
              Link Parent
              1. skybrian
                Link Parent
                Trump was a celebrity before running for president in 2016, not an unknown. Being a celebrity gave him a huge head start.

                Trump was a celebrity before running for president in 2016, not an unknown. Being a celebrity gave him a huge head start.

                3 votes
      2. wycy
        Link Parent
        Democrats have been running this moderate message and getting wiped out across every level of government for a decade.

        Democrats have been running this moderate message and getting wiped out across every level of government for a decade.

        4 votes
    2. [5]
      AugustusFerdinand
      Link Parent
      Need to drop gun control. It does nothing, it affects POC and the poor more than anything, and is alienating an entire voter base that votes single-issue because of it.

      Need to get back to basics.

      Need to drop gun control. It does nothing, it affects POC and the poor more than anything, and is alienating an entire voter base that votes single-issue because of it.

      8 votes
      1. [5]
        Comment deleted by author
        Link Parent
        1. [2]
          AugustusFerdinand
          Link Parent
          Note I'm going to play a lot of devil's advocate in here, I'll mention it in some places, but overall these are the arguments many have against gun control. Background checks are already done...
          Note I'm going to play a lot of devil's advocate in here, I'll mention it in some places, but overall these are the arguments many have against gun control.

          universal background checks

          Background checks are already done every single time a gun is sold from a dealer, auction company, pawn shop, etc.

          The only time a background check is not done is on a private party (person-to-person) sale and as a gun enthusiast I wholly support being able to do so. Dealers, et al. use the NICS system to run background checks. This is a simple online system run by the ATF; you put in identifying details of the individual purchasing the gun (name, address, DOB, race, and other info like social security number if you've ever been mixed up with someone else), hit go, wait a couple of minutes, get result. It'll either be pass, fail, or wait (meaning they need longer to check). There is zero reason I shouldn't be able to use this on my phone when selling a gun to someone. Instead I have to go with a "gut feeling" that this person is not a felon, not planning on killing someone, mentally stable, etc.

          Personally I just require anyone I've sold guns to privately to have a concealed carry license as it means they've already gone through the checks and approved. However not all people do that and it's not required of them.

          In nearly half of the states do have some measure of "universal background check" by requiring a private sale to go through a dealer where the dealer will run the check before the gun can be transferred. This can and should be done across the country, but that's not where it stops with DNC. All of the guns used in Sandy Hook were legally purchased by the perpetrator's mother. Connecticut is one of the states that requires even private sales to go through a background check. A national universal background check law would have done nothing to prevent it.


          From Biden's website on gun control:

          Hold gun manufacturers accountable.

          There's plusses and minuses here. Are guns meant to kill things? Yes, but so is every weapon. Should I get to sue Bear Archery (makers of almost 400 different models of compound bow) if I get hit by an arrow from one of their weapons? Should my wife get to sue Cutco if I'm murdered by someone using one of their knives? How about if someone beats me to death with a DeWalt hammer? Kills me in a bar with a broken Budweiser bottle? Lures me to an electronics recycling warehouse and crushes me under the weight of a million gen 1 iPods?

          Now there's definitely some really fucked marketing by gun companies and that is why there's a lawsuit against Remington about it. Just as tobacco ads no longer show babies and doctors, gun shouldn't be marketed like it makes average idiot extremist into Rambo either. I fully support this just as I would any fertilizer company advertising "Great for Oklahoma!"

          Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

          Assault weapons are already banned and have been since 1986 when further changes to the National Firearms Act went into effect. No civilian can own an assault rifle made after that date, as a result any full auto firearm made and registered with the ATF prior to that date is prohibitively expensive (think cheapest in the $10k range) and requires a intense background check and fingerprinting by the ATF that takes a year or more to get a result.

          Now if we want to start the moving-the-goalposts definition of "assault weapon" we'll head over the to the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban:

          Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

          • Folding or telescoping stock
          • Pistol grip
          • Bayonet mount
          • Flash hider or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
          • Grenade launcher

          Want to guess what civilian semi-auto rifles haven't had since WW2? Bayonet lugs. Want to know what is already banned by the NFA and no civilian has? Grenade launchers. Most rifles already have fixed stocks, pistol grips are optional (and don't make a gun more deadly or easier to fire), and most rifles don't have threaded barrels. Law = ineffective

          Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

          • Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
          • Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
          • Barrel shroud safety feature that prevents burns to the operator
          • Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
          • A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.

          This definition was in place to stop the traditional "gang banger" guns like the Tec-9. None of these definitions apply to pretty much any pistol. Law = ineffective

          Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:

          • Folding or telescoping stock
          • Pistol grip
          • Detachable magazine.

          This definition was to stop street sweeper style shotguns that were shit when they were being made and aren't made any longer because they're still shit. Although now there are better (but not good) shotguns that would be banned by this, too bad they aren't actually used by anyone or in mass shootings. Law = effective at banning something that doesn't happen in the first place

          For "high capacity magazines" they like to throw out the 10 round limit. I don't have a problem with this as I have firearms that I find mechanically interesting pieces of engineering; I don't shoot people and I don't hunt (and even if I did capacity isn't a thing to worry about because if you can't kill your meal with one shot you probably can't kill it with 30); I just put holes in paper at greater and greater distances to challenge myself to be accurate.

          However I'll play devil's advocate on this point: Why does "high capacity" start at 11 rounds? Why not 6, the traditional number for revolvers? Why not 15, half the capacity of the standard rifle magazine now and the standard capacity of nearly every pistol? Why not 30, the standard capacity in the most popular (both civilian and military) rifles and what they're designed to use? Why not 50, where traditional magazines tend to have trouble working reliably and even non-traditional magazines are considered too heavy and bulky to be worth carrying? How about the fact that attempting to make a law to stop something only creates innovation to get around it. Even the National Criminal Justice Reference Service study at the end of the 1994 ban noted advertisements for post-ban guns that barely changed from the pre-ban models. Looking at gunfight statistics shows that even the trigger happy NYPD doesn't fire 10 rounds per incident (average 5.2), which drops further in places like Miami-Dade where it's down to 3.2, or in LA where if there are multiple officers involved it jumps to 6.48 (4.98 with 2 officers, 3.59 with only 1), Baltimore averages 2.8 rounds fired.

          What is a ban going to accomplish? Mass shootings are awful, no one will argue that. However, gun deaths per capita are 12 for every 100,000. 4.6 of that are homicides, 6.9 are suicides. A magazine limit and ban on grenade launchers and bayonets isn't going to stop someone shooting themselves.

          If we want to talk about impact and effective policies, why are we legalizing drugs across the country when they average 19.4 deaths per 100,000 while an "assault weapon and magazine ban" would maybe half the 4.6 per 100,000 homicides that happen each year?

          So Biden and the Democratic Party are pushing legislation that in a best case scenario will halve the number of homicides per year from 4.6 per 100k to 2.3 per 100k while alienating millions more voters so that the changes we all actually need (climate change, green energy, socialized medicine, etc) will never happen.

          Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act.

          They. Already. Are. Unless you're talking about renewing the 1994 ban at which point one of two things will happen. Manufacturers will change the guns to get around it as needed or they won't and you'll disproportionately effect the poor and POC as guns regulated under the NFA carry an additional tax on top of the purchase of $200 per firearm. Which is more than half the price of the guns that the poor and POC already purchase. So yeah, great idea, let's put in another law that only protects those with the money to afford protection.

          Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities.

          Buybacks don't work. The second part requires people who don't let the government buy back their guns to register them with the NFA. Which is a $200 tax per item on something you cannot trace at present and no one will do in the first place. So no one will sell it back to you and no one will register it. Again, ineffective.

          Reduce stockpiling of weapons.

          This limits purchases to one gun per person per month. On the one hand I don't buy that many guns that quickly all that often (I like unique guns and they don't come up often so of the dozen or so I have, not counting my wife's, only a couple were purchased at one time), but when a collector does die/liquidate and has several guns I'd like to collect this would limit me which is a pain in the ass.

          Require background checks for all gun sales.

          That's the universal background check that I and most people have no issue with.

          Close other loopholes in the federal background check system.

          There isn't a loophole. The "boyfriend loophole" is where you have someone that will pass a background check buy the gun and then give it to you. This is already illegal.

          Reinstate the Obama-Biden policy to keep guns out of the hands of certain people unable to manage their affairs for mental reasons, which President Trump reversed.

          Mental instability is already one of the things that bars you from passing a background check, however the ATF does have limited records on mental health issues as not every state or institution reports it. Trump reversed an Obama policy that had the SSA report mental hospitalizations to the ATF for the background check purposes.

          Close the “hate crime loophole.”

          This is a "loophole" about misdemeanor hate crimes. Felons can't have guns. The solution is to make misdemeanor hate crimes into felonies. Hate crimes are so rarely prosecuted in the first place that this seems useless.

          Close the “Charleston loophole.”

          So remember the pass, fail, wait in the background check from earlier? The "wait" thing has a timer. If the ATF doesn't respond in three business days the law says you have to release it to the buyer, if it comes back fail later the dealer contacts the police/ATF to say it failed and that this person has a gun they shouldn't have. Biden's proposal pushes this to 10 days instead of three. I have no problem with this either.


          Making it easier for the average joe selling a gun to run a background check is a no brainer.
          Making it harder to get guns by people that shouldn't have them is a no brainer. Push Universal Background Checks, explain it simply that every gun sale needs a check to make sure bad people aren't getting guns. Say you can run a background check on the person you're selling a gun to on your phone, for free, and all you need is for them to show you their ID.
          Saying that some guns that look scary need to be banned is taking an entire group of people that like your other policies out of your corner.
          Saying you won't ban some arbitrary definition of "assault weapon" and won't put an ineffective limit on magazine capacity isn't going to magically make a bunch of democrats start voting republican as the republicans aren't suddenly going to go "Keep your guns, abortions, immigrants, and gay marriage!" to counter the dems dropping "gun control". They don't like to be controlled, they like being safe. Don't try to control the guns, put in legislation that keeps people safe by expanding access to background checks.
          Don't try to push gun registration. The repubs will call you a nazi as they revisit Hitler's requirement of Jews to register themselves.

          13 votes
          1. [2]
            Comment deleted by author
            Link Parent
            1. AugustusFerdinand
              Link Parent
              I agree. On the car front I'm of the opinion that not only should a license be required, regular retests should be as well. Nothing huge, but once a decade doesn't seem out of the question...

              It always seemed to me that guns are like cars: potentially dangerous machines, so in everyone's interest it seems best if people prove they're able to handle them. A "gun license" similar to a driving license seems like a common sense thing to do

              I agree. On the car front I'm of the opinion that not only should a license be required, regular retests should be as well. Nothing huge, but once a decade doesn't seem out of the question considering how badly people seem to drive or otherwise are unable to correctly operate their vehicle. As an automotive enthusiast as well 10 years is typically an amount of time that most people replace their car at least once and have new advancements that come with it, inability to operate the vehicle correctly should lead to failure and requirement to retest. The sheer number of people I see driving at night or in the rain in brand new cars that haven't figured out that daytime running lights aren't headlights and so are driving around a nearly three ton missile is frightening.

              On the gun license front, I'm not opposed either, to an extent. On the one hand greater barriers to entry disproportionally affect the poor and POC, but on the other hand I don't think you should be allowed something that has the potential to easily kill (like a car or gun) with zero knowledge of how to use it safely. One of the things that gun nuts (whom have a complete lack of tolerance for any gun laws/control/licensing, which I differentiate from my own descriptor as a gun enthusiast) like to bring up about Texas (in the context of the general public seeing us as this cowboy frontier of zero regulations) here is that in order to have a concealed handgun license you have to pass a safety and marksmanship course. It teaches about safe operation of a handgun, when it is and is not legal to use it in defense, what to do if you have it and are pulled over, and the various laws around the state along with a shooting test of 50 rounds that has a minimum 70% accuracy score to pass; along with fingerprinting and background checks.

              I have zero issue with requiring people to know how to hit their target and when they should or should not defend themselves/others if they are going to carry a gun with them constantly as would be expected with a CHL holder. I like the idea that at least a basic education has been passed and they've been briefed that if they choose to use a gun and are wrong they will lose the privilege of owning guns in the future. I've been to gun ranges and seen people that have zero experience using a gun do so dangerously. These people are typically yelled at by the RO (range officer, just a guy that's watching people not a cop) without telling them how to be safe as that would be a training course and pretty much every range charges for that as a service. So they get yelled at, not really know why they're getting yelled at, try not to screw up again, likely get yelled at again and this time told to leave. It's like disciplining a child without explaining what they did wrong and expecting them to learn from it, only now the child has something that can kill people.

              I try to step in if it seems like they're open to communication and I'm not there with people I'm teaching (many of my range trips are with friends or coworkers that have never fired a gun). My gun dealer is also a longtime close friend and this year's craziness has seen a massive uptick in business, having seen a few people that buy a gun and look immediately uncomfortable with it he's begun to take them to the range for some basic training on how to use it safely for free so he's comfortable that these first time gun buyers aren't going to hurt themselves or someone they don't intend to should they need to use it or even just take it out of the case. I have a CHL, but I choose not to carry a gun for various reasons.

              To be honest I never understand the US' attitude towards guns in general, but okay.

              I can't say that I understand it either as there is no single answer and even the fight over gun control is relatively new; it really started in the 80's with the passing of changes to the 1968 Gun Control Act which was perfectly fine by most gun nuts (and the NRA but they don't want you to talk about that) because it was specifically in place to stop black people from getting guns. The NRA is another reason I distance myself from gun nuts as they have remained entirely silent when black people that have legally owned guns have been murdered by police. This is one major reason the NRA's membership is dropping quickly as there are lots of "liberal gun owners" like me and even republican gun owners that see the hypocrisy/outright racism of only speaking up if it's about white people.

              Personally, I like guns for the mechanical ingenuity and engineering behind their function and I like the challenge of accurately putting holes in paper at greater and greater distances. If all guns disappeared overnight I wouldn't have a problem with it other than being ticked at the money I've spent on them disappearing. I only have one "normal" gun for protection when needed all others are mechanical/engineering oddities and something I'd likely share here on Tildes at some point.

              4 votes
        2. [2]
          j3n
          Link Parent
          How many states don't already have universal background checks?

          How many states don't already have universal background checks?

          1 vote
          1. AugustusFerdinand
            Link Parent
            Just under half. Notably Connecticut does and all of the guns used in Sandy Hook were legally purchased by the perpetrator's mother. So a nationwide universal background check law would have...

            Just under half. Notably Connecticut does and all of the guns used in Sandy Hook were legally purchased by the perpetrator's mother. So a nationwide universal background check law would have stopped nothing.

            8 votes
  5. [2]
    RapidEyeMovement
    (edited )
    Link
    Peter Zeihan via twitter

    Over the weekend pollsters changed methodology from potential voters to folks who say they WILL vote. The goalpost move happens every election, but pollsters make the shift at different speeds in different states. So expect a LOT of shifts today and tomorrow for their "results".

    Peter Zeihan via twitter

    5 votes
    1. Omnicrola
      Link Parent
      Didn't know that was a thing that happens. Then again I didn't pay nearly as much attention to 2016 as I am now. I wonder what the delta is for 2016 between the percentage of people who said "I...

      Didn't know that was a thing that happens. Then again I didn't pay nearly as much attention to 2016 as I am now. I wonder what the delta is for 2016 between the percentage of people who said "I will definitely vote" and the actual percentage turnout?

      2 votes
  6. [2]
    Kuromantis
    (edited )
    Link
    From 538: We’re Tracking The Vote And Voting Problems It seems a lot of absurd, undemocratic things are very possible in the next few days (or weeks, or month, or two) so a live blog tracking them...

    From 538: We’re Tracking The Vote And Voting Problems

    It seems a lot of absurd, undemocratic things are very possible in the next few days (or weeks, or month, or two) so a live blog tracking them is very useful.

    5 votes
    1. Autoxidation
      Link Parent
      This is the real worry. The polls all look great for the Dems.

      This is the real worry. The polls all look great for the Dems.

      5 votes
  7. [3]
    Kuromantis
    (edited )
    Link
    NPR is reporting that Biden is (narrowly) ahead in Michigan With him (also narrowly) ahead in Wisconsin, (assuming nothing changes) that adds up to exactly 270 EC votes I think most of us have a...

    NPR is reporting that Biden is (narrowly) ahead in Michigan

    With him (also narrowly) ahead in Wisconsin, (assuming nothing changes) that adds up to exactly 270 EC votes

    I think most of us have a few reactions:

    1: Biden is almost there!

    2: That's a really close result, odds are the Republicans are gonna request a recount, or worse.

    3: The Dems are likely screwed in 2022 if they don't get the Senate, which seems quite likely (most likely path seems to be MI, NC and the runoff in GA turning D (like so), but most of those votes there are already counted so a blue shift for all of them, and especially Georgia, seems to be a pretty big bet.) I'm not gonna say this was all for nothing, but that is an unfortunately reasonable take.


    BTW I'm not sure if this should go in this thread or the election day thread. That thread was apparently supposed to be a 'conversational thread' while this one was more for 'articles and events', but I'm not sure.

    5 votes
    1. Adys
      (edited )
      Link Parent
      Biden has officially won michigan. Nevada is releasing additional results today instead of tomorrow. There's a chance Biden gets 270 tonight. Edit: In case this was missed: For some inexplicable...

      Biden has officially won michigan. Nevada is releasing additional results today instead of tomorrow. There's a chance Biden gets 270 tonight.

      Edit: In case this was missed: For some inexplicable reason, Nevada walked back its willingness to share results early. We're in a holding pattern still.

      3 votes
  8. [6]
    RapidEyeMovement
    (edited )
    Link
    President Trump Delivers Remarks This is being posted on the Whitehouse.gov site. This will probably be a shitshow. It is supposed to start @ 6:30pm eastern but will probably be late, because he...

    President Trump Delivers Remarks

    This is being posted on the Whitehouse.gov site. This will probably be a shitshow. It is supposed to start @ 6:30pm eastern but will probably be late, because he always comes to these things late.

    I am on the fence if this deserves its own thread. It probably will. But on the chance this is a nothing burger I don't want to waste everyone's emotional energy.

    Other weird notes, throughout the day I have seen it reported that Trump was going to hold remarks in Philadelphia @9:15 @3:30 and then in Georgia at 6:30. Now it is just a press conference at the whitehouse

    Separate thread = https://tildes.net/~news/t3y/donald_trump_gives_remarks_regarding_the_us_election_results_live

    Last Edit: Link starting at the beginning of speech

    5 votes
    1. [2]
      j3n
      Link Parent
      Seconds in... and it's already absolutely unhinged. I am deeply concerned to see what comes of this. Hopefully nothing, as everyone continues to just ignore him.

      Seconds in... and it's already absolutely unhinged. I am deeply concerned to see what comes of this. Hopefully nothing, as everyone continues to just ignore him.

      6 votes
      1. jcdl
        Link Parent
        What's so amazing to me is that he's reading a script. His speech writers have really honed in on his rambling style.

        What's so amazing to me is that he's reading a script. His speech writers have really honed in on his rambling style.

        4 votes
    2. [3]
      cfabbro
      (edited )
      Link Parent
      As insanely unlikely as it is, I'm desperately hoping that for once in his miserable, godforsaken, pathetic life he has decided to take the high road and this presser is his concession speech....

      As insanely unlikely as it is, I'm desperately hoping that for once in his miserable, godforsaken, pathetic life he has decided to take the high road and this presser is his concession speech. Sadly, it's far far far far more likely that he is once again just going to ramble about how "rigged" the system is, nonexistent election fraud being the reason he is losing/lost, and outline the legal campaign he and the Republicans have now set in motion to try to ensure he remains President. :(

      Edit: Yep... nevermind. It's just more bullshit about "illegal votes", "election interference", and how he "really won". Fucking jackass.

      3 votes
      1. j3n
        Link Parent
        I appreciate your optimism, but instead it seems to be a victory speech for a victory he hasn't actually won and probably isn't going to.

        I appreciate your optimism, but instead it seems to be a victory speech for a victory he hasn't actually won and probably isn't going to.

        4 votes
  9. [5]
    skybrian
    Link
    USPS processed 150,000 ballots after Election Day, jeopardizing thousands of votes

    USPS processed 150,000 ballots after Election Day, jeopardizing thousands of votes

    In several swing states, late ballots will still be counted as long as they were postmarked by Election Day and received by Friday, according to state law. They include Nevada, where 4,518 ballots arrived after Election Day, as well as North Carolina (2,958) and Pennsylvania (3,439). But in other states — such as Arizona, where 864 ballots were delayed, and Georgia, where 853 were delayed — votes that did not reach election officials by Nov. 3 will be disqualified.

    5 votes
    1. [3]
      vektor
      Link Parent
      So the government suppressing voters did work. Nice.

      So the government suppressing voters did work.

      Nice.

      4 votes
      1. [2]
        skybrian
        Link Parent
        Those numbers seem too small to change the outcome? It might flip Georgia but that wouldn’t be enough.

        Those numbers seem too small to change the outcome? It might flip Georgia but that wouldn’t be enough.

        2 votes
        1. vektor
          Link Parent
          In my opinion, that doesn't matter in the slightest. The 2000 election was decided by less, and even if not, voter suppression is completely unacceptable. Also, consider that it was planned to...

          In my opinion, that doesn't matter in the slightest. The 2000 election was decided by less, and even if not, voter suppression is completely unacceptable. Also, consider that it was planned to happen at a much larger scale, if the courts hadn't called back the postal service.

          4 votes
    2. MonkeyPants
      Link Parent

      more ballots were processed Wednesday than on Election Day.

      3 votes
  10. RapidEyeMovement
    (edited )
    Link
    Take this with a Large grain of salt, but it is interesting that it is being pushed out Trump won't concede until December 14 - report EDIT: Trump says will pursue election-related legal...

    Take this with a Large grain of salt, but it is interesting that it is being pushed out

    Trump won't concede until December 14 - report

    United States President Donald Trump doesn't plan on conceding defeat to Joe Biden until December 14, when electors will vote for president, Fox News reported on Friday.

    According to people familiar with the Trump campaign's plans, the idea is to ask for a recount in every state where the president narrowly loses in the meantime.

    EDIT: Trump says will pursue election-related legal challenges; 'will never give up fighting' for the nation

    5 votes
  11. RapidEyeMovement
    Link
    Polling info, Sort by Competitiveness to get a more detailed view of the numbers

    Polling info, Sort by Competitiveness to get a more detailed view of the numbers

    4 votes
  12. [2]
    Deimos
    Link
    Zeynep Tufekci's op-ed in the NYT: Why You Can’t Rely on Election Forecasts - Voting models are not as scientific or certain as they may seem And a post on her newsletter going a little further...

    Zeynep Tufekci's op-ed in the NYT: Why You Can’t Rely on Election Forecasts - Voting models are not as scientific or certain as they may seem

    And a post on her newsletter going a little further into her thoughts on the topic: Why I changed my mind on modeling electoral forecasts

    4 votes
  13. RapidEyeMovement
    (edited )
    Link
    Pennsylvania National Guard Troops Deployed Throughout Philadelphia On Halloween Gov. Charlie Baker on Monday activated up to 1,000 members of the Massachusetts National Guard as one step in...

    Pennsylvania National Guard Troops Deployed Throughout Philadelphia On Halloween

    Gov. Charlie Baker on Monday activated up to 1,000 members of the Massachusetts National Guard as one step in preparations to ensure Massachusetts “is positioned to maintain public safety following Tuesday’s election,” his administration said.

    National Guard arrives at McCormick Place in #Chicago

    An Election Day role for National Guard? Maybe, but limited

    the National Guard under state control. These citizen soldiers could help state or local law enforcement with any major election-related violence. But the Guard’s more likely roles will be less visible — filling in as poll workers, out of uniform, and providing cybersecurity expertise in monitoring potential intrusions into election systems.
    Unlike regular active-duty military, the Guard answers to its state’s governor, not the president.

    National Guard Readies for Election Day Deployment - NYT

    Hundreds of National Guard troops already have been called up in non-law enforcement roles, to assist states where the ranks of poll workers have been depleted by the coronavirus pandemic. Those troops are doing cybersecurity and routine election tasks like opening mail-in ballots. As of last week 10 states had activated the National Guard to help with election tasks and 14 more are expected to activate troops this week.

    4 votes
  14. [3]
    Kuromantis
    (edited )
    Link
    This "theory" seems to have made a lot of rounds on many social media platforms recently so I felt like linking a fact-check about it: Biden did not get 100% of 138k votes in Michigan for...

    This "theory" seems to have made a lot of rounds on many social media platforms recently so I felt like linking a fact-check about it: Biden did not get 100% of 138k votes in Michigan for seemingly no reason (Snopes link if you prefer)

    4 votes
    1. [2]
      hhh
      Link Parent
      I've been watching /pol/ the past couple days and the speed that this "theory" became "fact" is alarming. They are living in an alternate reality. The fact that a lot of these people (at least the...

      I've been watching /pol/ the past couple days and the speed that this "theory" became "fact" is alarming. They are living in an alternate reality. The fact that a lot of these people (at least the ones who aren't larping teenagers) are voting is kinda scary.

      3 votes
  15. RapidEyeMovement
    (edited )
    Link
    I don't know how to post this one, as it is mostly speculation at this point, I do believe that is is important to get familar with people who will be making news in the coming weeks/months. NY AG...

    I don't know how to post this one, as it is mostly speculation at this point, I do believe that is is important to get familar with people who will be making news in the coming weeks/months.

    NY AG Tish James On 2020 Election, Trump Org Investigation, NYPD + NRA

    Whether for good or ill, a person hardly anyone knows, Tish James
    is fast rising to the forefront of the news as the Trump family businesses prosecutor from Hell

    Watch @TishJames. @JoeBiden may make her the Attorney General. But even if she stays as NY State Prosecutor, she will be leading the effort to prosecute Donald Trump and his enterprises on multiple charges. She will be trying to move him from the Oval Office to prison. #election

    Twitter

    4 votes
  16. RapidEyeMovement
    Link
    Georgia judge dismisses Trump campaign lawsuit

    Georgia judge dismisses Trump campaign lawsuit

    A judge in Georgia has dismissed a lawsuit by the state Republican Party and President Donald Trump’s campaign that asked him to ensure a coastal county was following state laws on processing absentee ballots.

    Chatham County Superior Court Judge James Bass did not provide an explanation for his decision Thursday at the close of a roughly one-hour hearing. The county includes the heavily Democratic city of Savannah.

    The suit had raised concerns about 53 absentee ballots that poll observers said were not part of an original batch of ballots. County elections officials testified that all 53 ballots had been received on time.

    3 votes
  17. [3]
    RapidEyeMovement
    (edited )
    Link
    AP - Biden plans prime-time televised address
    1 vote
    1. [2]
      cfabbro
      Link Parent
      But looking at their main page, WTF is up with that twitter account and the all-caps? It's super obnoxious, IMO.

      Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!

      But looking at their main page, WTF is up with that twitter account and the all-caps? It's super obnoxious, IMO.

      2 votes