I got the cheap deal for the year of Nebula/CuriosityStream a few months ago, and I have to be honest, I haven't found almost any of the content interesting enough for either to become a place I...
I got the cheap deal for the year of Nebula/CuriosityStream a few months ago, and I have to be honest, I haven't found almost any of the content interesting enough for either to become a place I browse or watch content often. I thought that I would, but a lot of it just seems "meh" to me after spending some time there. I haven't really given CS its fair share of time yet, but I cannot remotely see myself renewing my Nebula subscription at this point
I find this strange, because YouTube / non-fiction content is 99% of what I watch and I usually really enjoy documentaries. I almost never watch typical "TV or Movies".
What I’ve noticed is that, with the exception to Lindsey Ellis, creators are either on Nebula because they wouldn’t be successful elsewhere or they’re successful on YouTube but want a supplemental...
What I’ve noticed is that, with the exception to Lindsey Ellis, creators are either on Nebula because they wouldn’t be successful elsewhere or they’re successful on YouTube but want a supplemental income stream. The problem for the latter group is they would never compromise their primary income stream on YouTube by keeping their best content on Nebula. So they end up putting longer versions (really just poorly edited) on Nebula or they just release the same exact videos, maybe a week early.
Plenty of YouTube channels have these issues, but YouTube also has all of the good creators too. There is only one excellent content creator that’s exclusive to Nebula. I think the harsh reality is that the YouTube financial model is the best one for getting YouTube’s results.
Nebula, for me, is a very well curated version of YouTube with extra content. One thing I don't like about it is that it isn't easy to figure out what I've watched and what I haven't watched, if I...
Nebula, for me, is a very well curated version of YouTube with extra content.
One thing I don't like about it is that it isn't easy to figure out what I've watched and what I haven't watched, if I use both YouTube and Nebula. This isn't really either app's fault though.
Anyway, bought the lifetime. I love Nebula and what they did to the YouTube ecosystem.
They injected a lot of direct-from-consumer-to-creator money into the ecosystem. This has allowed various shows to develop, including shows that are available for free on YouTube, as they use...
They injected a lot of direct-from-consumer-to-creator money into the ecosystem. This has allowed various shows to develop, including shows that are available for free on YouTube, as they use YouTube as an advertising platform for Nebula.
If you step back a little and look at money flows, this is what happened. They are:
Taking away from Patreon cuts (good! Patreon is only a middleman, and charges too much for that)
Removing value from YouTube advertising (GOOD, fuck ads)
Using their cut to create and offer an alternative publishing platform (good, alternatives are great)
Creating an incentive for good creators to make even better content (fucking great!)
Re-injecting value into YouTube by offering some of the above for free (yay, free content for users!)
I didn't even realize how much good they did until I spelled it out like this. Nebula is one of my favourite businesses now.
I like it but I'm probably going to discontinue my subscription. I don't like that they deplatformed SecondThought for a very generic criticism of Israel.
I like it but I'm probably going to discontinue my subscription. I don't like that they deplatformed SecondThought for a very generic criticism of Israel.
I'm interested, but I also wonder why it's back. Is Nebula.tv in financial trouble and just trying to make some fast cash to extend their runway? I don't want to pay for lifetime only to see the...
I'm interested, but I also wonder why it's back. Is Nebula.tv in financial trouble and just trying to make some fast cash to extend their runway?
I don't want to pay for lifetime only to see the company fold in <1 year.
I got the lifetime at $250. My take was that it's very very likely that money winds up not being the efficient spend, but I want to support alternatives to youtube and this is a decent one (i have...
I got the lifetime at $250. My take was that it's very very likely that money winds up not being the efficient spend, but I want to support alternatives to youtube and this is a decent one (i have complaints but that's mostly about the content being put out).
I don't think you should look at this as a financial decision where you're trying to cut costs so much as a risky investment. If the $300 is the sort of money you really might need, I don't think you should be doing it because there's a decent chance you've wasted your funds.
Another thing worth pointing out is that you have to make sure you actually use it. I had been supporting nebula before this, and had just cancelled my subscription because the less frequent updates meant I also checked the site less frequently to the point of forgetting about it.
Part of the reason I shelled out the $250 was because i'd finally switched to an rss feed for aggregating my media and the likes, and it makes sure i'm always aware of what videos are coming out that I might want to watch, rather than just hoping I remember to check.
Wendover Productions released a video recently with a lot of inside information regarding their company's financials and strategy. I highly recommend watching it fully (and take it with a grain of...
I highly recommend watching it fully (and take it with a grain of salt coming from an owner himself) but the company overall seems quite healthy at the moment.
That being said, betting on any internet company existing a decade from now in order to make a slight discount worth it is usually a bad idea. I'd consider it more of a "I really support what this company is striving for" badge rather than any sort of deal.
Channels on Nebula can offer a discounted/sponsored subscription for $30/year (e.g. with Wendover Productions) so it could be up to 10 years' equivalent for some.
Channels on Nebula can offer a discounted/sponsored subscription for $30/year (e.g. with Wendover Productions) so it could be up to 10 years' equivalent for some.
My takeaway is it'll fluctuate with pork prices. But really if they plan to turn the sale of plans off and on periodically for cash injections that's great. I think it is reat for short term...
My takeaway is it'll fluctuate with pork prices.
But really if they plan to turn the sale of plans off and on periodically for cash injections that's great. I think it is reat for short term gains, as they apparently do, but worse for long term profitability (expressed as a concern, hence "Project McRib"). It will be interesting to see how this goes in the long run.
If they can find a better way to get new customers and reduce churn then they’ll never do this again. But I also don’t have confidence they can find success. Honestly Patreon is the one that...
If they can find a better way to get new customers and reduce churn then they’ll never do this again. But I also don’t have confidence they can find success. Honestly Patreon is the one that should be launching a Nebula. Maybe they should just buy Nebula? Patreon would bring an instant and massive collection of creators. Add in a convenience feature to help with cross YouTube syndication and you’ve got a hell of a library.
I've bought some "lifetime subscriptions" before. It's for the lifetime of the business, not your lifetime. They're all out of business now. You have to both love the product, and understand the...
I've bought some "lifetime subscriptions" before. It's for the lifetime of the business, not your lifetime. They're all out of business now. You have to both love the product, and understand the almost inevitability of not having it in the near future.
Can someone help me with the Nebula/Curiosity Stream connection? I never looked into it, just figured it was two sides of the same coin. The former being a "good youtube" and the latter being the...
Can someone help me with the Nebula/Curiosity Stream connection? I never looked into it, just figured it was two sides of the same coin. The former being a "good youtube" and the latter being the documentary wing. I signed up a couple of years back with the usual get-both-at-one-price yearly subscription that is now $22 figuring I'd probably watch more CS than Nebula, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
My history shows I've watched all of two documentaries on CS and that's coming from someone who watches about 70% non-fiction content, closer to 98% non-fiction if we take movies out of the equation and only focus on youtube/Nebula. While I log into Nebula about about once a quarter to binge whatever is exclusively there of the channels I like, then ignore it and watch youtube the rest of the time instead of trying to keep track of what I have watched across multiple services. The lack of ads and like-and-subscribe reminders isn't an issue for me on youtube because of uBlock, Vanced, and SponsorBlock.
I guess the question is how long is the CS/Nebula partnership expected to last? At $22 a year, it'll take a decade to make up the lifetime subscription to Nebula, but on the other hand it seems like CS may be on its way out and with it goes my half used bundle.
Yeah, I find myself in a similar situation. I've actually never used CuriosityStream, none of the content there has really seemed like what I want to watch while I actually have been watching a...
Yeah, I find myself in a similar situation. I've actually never used CuriosityStream, none of the content there has really seemed like what I want to watch while I actually have been watching a decent amount of Nebula lately (huge fan of JetLag, Real Engineering, and some other creators).
I don't expect the Nebula/CS partnership to last more than another year or two. Nebula seems to have grander plans, and CS seems to be having issues of their own.
Also to note- creators get a lot more money per view on Nebula than they get on YT, even with Premium! On YT they earn based on the actual value of ads shown, so using uBlock will actually impact their earnings (albeit as much as a single person can impact earnings).
Did a little looking around CS owns a minority stake and has a seat on the board at Nebula. So that's the relationship. For the moment I'll let my $22 be spread between the two and if CS collapses...
Did a little looking around CS owns a minority stake and has a seat on the board at Nebula. So that's the relationship. For the moment I'll let my $22 be spread between the two and if CS collapses I'll just buy into Nebula annually until they pop up another hey-we'd-like-a-cash-influx-want-some-McRib lifetime thing.
(albeit as much as a single person can impact earnings).
$0.18 per view on average.
Being that the channels that are small enough and that I actually watch on a regular enough basis for that to have an impact all either get Patreon or Nebula money, I'm not bothered by it.
How is Nebula doing these days? Do the creators who moved there seem satisfied still? And the amount of quality content published remains a good value for subscribers?
How is Nebula doing these days? Do the creators who moved there seem satisfied still? And the amount of quality content published remains a good value for subscribers?
No idea creator side. Content wise, it is nice. There is content from creators that's on nebula that isn't on youtube for one reason or another. That said, waaay too much of the content on nebula...
No idea creator side.
Content wise, it is nice. There is content from creators that's on nebula that isn't on youtube for one reason or another.
That said, waaay too much of the content on nebula is the kind of content I also avoid on youtube for being low effort nonsense.
The "This {hyperbolic adjective} {subject matter} you've never heard of!!!!" with a shocked expression thumbnail.
Maybe its a good video, maybe its low effort trash. The thumbnail sure makes me think it's the latter, and I don't think nebula is doing a great job if that's still the kind of stuff you see all over it.
There's also a lot of content creators I know on youtube who I think would be a better fit for nebula (breadsword recently came up with the utter fight he had with his recent video), due to them being long form deep dives, but for whatever reason aren't.
That said I still do not regret my life subscription at $250, but that's also because I made sure to hook up my rss feed to all my nebula channels so I know when a new video drops. Further whenever there's the option, I watch on nebula rather than youtube for a whole slew of reasons (most recently youtubes ad block nonsense).
So in short, I think ethically its the right thing, and as a product "its ok". I hope they can make it better or hit a critical mass where they can start getting the kind of creators who put WAY too much effort in for their returns on yt (although they are often buffered by patreon). We'll see what happens.
I absolutely wouldn't recommend it if $300 is a significant sum to you.
With the exception of Lindsay Ellis, no one really posts to Nebula exclusively. The value adds of going for their service over YouTube is that creators get paid more than YouTube, and you get no...
With the exception of Lindsay Ellis, no one really posts to Nebula exclusively. The value adds of going for their service over YouTube is that creators get paid more than YouTube, and you get no ads, extended and additional videos, and original productions. If that's all something you want, go for it.
I’m definitely considering this. I’m a bit of a weird use case though. I’ve been subscribed to Nebula since the beginning, just like I have been with YouTube Premium. But I watch almost all of the...
I’m definitely considering this. I’m a bit of a weird use case though.
I’ve been subscribed to Nebula since the beginning, just like I have been with YouTube Premium. But I watch almost all of the Nebula creators’ content on YouTube since that’s where 90% of the non-Netflix style content I want to see is. I’ll check every once in a while to see what new exclusives the creators I like have done, and watch those on Nebula, but that’s about it.
So I basically stay subscribed to keep supporting the creators I like, but consume most of their content elsewhere. Which is, I guess, the best case scenario for Nebula. They get the money and YouTube bares the costs of providing the content to me.
I've never looked at Nebula before. It looks like there's very little music? Searching on "music" returns people talking about music, rather than music, and much of it looks like influencer...
I've never looked at Nebula before. It looks like there's very little music? Searching on "music" returns people talking about music, rather than music, and much of it looks like influencer content with clickbait headlines. It's the stuff I avoid while looking for music to listen to on YouTube.
Also, searching on "accordion" has zero results :-)
I got the cheap deal for the year of Nebula/CuriosityStream a few months ago, and I have to be honest, I haven't found almost any of the content interesting enough for either to become a place I browse or watch content often. I thought that I would, but a lot of it just seems "meh" to me after spending some time there. I haven't really given CS its fair share of time yet, but I cannot remotely see myself renewing my Nebula subscription at this point
I find this strange, because YouTube / non-fiction content is 99% of what I watch and I usually really enjoy documentaries. I almost never watch typical "TV or Movies".
What I’ve noticed is that, with the exception to Lindsey Ellis, creators are either on Nebula because they wouldn’t be successful elsewhere or they’re successful on YouTube but want a supplemental income stream. The problem for the latter group is they would never compromise their primary income stream on YouTube by keeping their best content on Nebula. So they end up putting longer versions (really just poorly edited) on Nebula or they just release the same exact videos, maybe a week early.
Plenty of YouTube channels have these issues, but YouTube also has all of the good creators too. There is only one excellent content creator that’s exclusive to Nebula. I think the harsh reality is that the YouTube financial model is the best one for getting YouTube’s results.
Has anyone had any experience with Nebula? I've been eyeing some courses, but haven't pulled the trigger yet.
Nebula, for me, is a very well curated version of YouTube with extra content.
One thing I don't like about it is that it isn't easy to figure out what I've watched and what I haven't watched, if I use both YouTube and Nebula. This isn't really either app's fault though.
Anyway, bought the lifetime. I love Nebula and what they did to the YouTube ecosystem.
I'm sold! Just got myself a lifetime :) Thanks for your comment!
All I know is that it is a platform for sort of "premium" Youtubers - could you elaborate more on what Nebula did?
They injected a lot of direct-from-consumer-to-creator money into the ecosystem. This has allowed various shows to develop, including shows that are available for free on YouTube, as they use YouTube as an advertising platform for Nebula.
If you step back a little and look at money flows, this is what happened. They are:
I didn't even realize how much good they did until I spelled it out like this. Nebula is one of my favourite businesses now.
I like it but I'm probably going to discontinue my subscription. I don't like that they deplatformed SecondThought for a very generic criticism of Israel.
Lifetime is back, but for $300
https://go.nebula.tv/lifetime
I'm interested, but I also wonder why it's back. Is Nebula.tv in financial trouble and just trying to make some fast cash to extend their runway?
I don't want to pay for lifetime only to see the company fold in <1 year.
I got the lifetime at $250. My take was that it's very very likely that money winds up not being the efficient spend, but I want to support alternatives to youtube and this is a decent one (i have complaints but that's mostly about the content being put out).
I don't think you should look at this as a financial decision where you're trying to cut costs so much as a risky investment. If the $300 is the sort of money you really might need, I don't think you should be doing it because there's a decent chance you've wasted your funds.
Another thing worth pointing out is that you have to make sure you actually use it. I had been supporting nebula before this, and had just cancelled my subscription because the less frequent updates meant I also checked the site less frequently to the point of forgetting about it.
Part of the reason I shelled out the $250 was because i'd finally switched to an rss feed for aggregating my media and the likes, and it makes sure i'm always aware of what videos are coming out that I might want to watch, rather than just hoping I remember to check.
Wendover Productions released a video recently with a lot of inside information regarding their company's financials and strategy.
I highly recommend watching it fully (and take it with a grain of salt coming from an owner himself) but the company overall seems quite healthy at the moment.
That being said, betting on any internet company existing a decade from now in order to make a slight discount worth it is usually a bad idea. I'd consider it more of a "I really support what this company is striving for" badge rather than any sort of deal.
Channels on Nebula can offer a discounted/sponsored subscription for $30/year (e.g. with Wendover Productions) so it could be up to 10 years' equivalent for some.
My takeaway is it'll fluctuate with pork prices.
But really if they plan to turn the sale of plans off and on periodically for cash injections that's great. I think it is reat for short term gains, as they apparently do, but worse for long term profitability (expressed as a concern, hence "Project McRib"). It will be interesting to see how this goes in the long run.
If they can find a better way to get new customers and reduce churn then they’ll never do this again. But I also don’t have confidence they can find success. Honestly Patreon is the one that should be launching a Nebula. Maybe they should just buy Nebula? Patreon would bring an instant and massive collection of creators. Add in a convenience feature to help with cross YouTube syndication and you’ve got a hell of a library.
Instant buy. I love Nebula, I hate venture capital, and my mom taught me to always get the lifetime pass :)
I've bought some "lifetime subscriptions" before. It's for the lifetime of the business, not your lifetime. They're all out of business now. You have to both love the product, and understand the almost inevitability of not having it in the near future.
I wonder how Nebula is fairing with CuriosityStream massively missing earnings, seeing growing losses, and now raising their prices.
In their blog post they note that they're now responsible for marketing rather than CuriosityStream, so it seems like they were prepared for this.
Can someone help me with the Nebula/Curiosity Stream connection? I never looked into it, just figured it was two sides of the same coin. The former being a "good youtube" and the latter being the documentary wing. I signed up a couple of years back with the usual get-both-at-one-price yearly subscription that is now $22 figuring I'd probably watch more CS than Nebula, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
My history shows I've watched all of two documentaries on CS and that's coming from someone who watches about 70% non-fiction content, closer to 98% non-fiction if we take movies out of the equation and only focus on youtube/Nebula. While I log into Nebula about about once a quarter to binge whatever is exclusively there of the channels I like, then ignore it and watch youtube the rest of the time instead of trying to keep track of what I have watched across multiple services. The lack of ads and like-and-subscribe reminders isn't an issue for me on youtube because of uBlock, Vanced, and SponsorBlock.
I guess the question is how long is the CS/Nebula partnership expected to last? At $22 a year, it'll take a decade to make up the lifetime subscription to Nebula, but on the other hand it seems like CS may be on its way out and with it goes my half used bundle.
Yeah, I find myself in a similar situation. I've actually never used CuriosityStream, none of the content there has really seemed like what I want to watch while I actually have been watching a decent amount of Nebula lately (huge fan of JetLag, Real Engineering, and some other creators).
I don't expect the Nebula/CS partnership to last more than another year or two. Nebula seems to have grander plans, and CS seems to be having issues of their own.
Also to note- creators get a lot more money per view on Nebula than they get on YT, even with Premium! On YT they earn based on the actual value of ads shown, so using uBlock will actually impact their earnings (albeit as much as a single person can impact earnings).
Did a little looking around CS owns a minority stake and has a seat on the board at Nebula. So that's the relationship. For the moment I'll let my $22 be spread between the two and if CS collapses I'll just buy into Nebula annually until they pop up another hey-we'd-like-a-cash-influx-want-some-McRib lifetime thing.
$0.18 per view on average.
Being that the channels that are small enough and that I actually watch on a regular enough basis for that to have an impact all either get Patreon or Nebula money, I'm not bothered by it.
https://go.nebula.tv/gift
Lifetime subscriptions are back for December, and additionally, you can gift one to someone else.
How is Nebula doing these days? Do the creators who moved there seem satisfied still? And the amount of quality content published remains a good value for subscribers?
No idea creator side.
Content wise, it is nice. There is content from creators that's on nebula that isn't on youtube for one reason or another.
That said, waaay too much of the content on nebula is the kind of content I also avoid on youtube for being low effort nonsense.
The "This {hyperbolic adjective} {subject matter} you've never heard of!!!!" with a shocked expression thumbnail.
Maybe its a good video, maybe its low effort trash. The thumbnail sure makes me think it's the latter, and I don't think nebula is doing a great job if that's still the kind of stuff you see all over it.
There's also a lot of content creators I know on youtube who I think would be a better fit for nebula (breadsword recently came up with the utter fight he had with his recent video), due to them being long form deep dives, but for whatever reason aren't.
That said I still do not regret my life subscription at $250, but that's also because I made sure to hook up my rss feed to all my nebula channels so I know when a new video drops. Further whenever there's the option, I watch on nebula rather than youtube for a whole slew of reasons (most recently youtubes ad block nonsense).
So in short, I think ethically its the right thing, and as a product "its ok". I hope they can make it better or hit a critical mass where they can start getting the kind of creators who put WAY too much effort in for their returns on yt (although they are often buffered by patreon). We'll see what happens.
I absolutely wouldn't recommend it if $300 is a significant sum to you.
With the exception of Lindsay Ellis, no one really posts to Nebula exclusively. The value adds of going for their service over YouTube is that creators get paid more than YouTube, and you get no ads, extended and additional videos, and original productions. If that's all something you want, go for it.
Blog post: https://blog.nebula.tv/lifetime-memberships/
I’m definitely considering this. I’m a bit of a weird use case though.
I’ve been subscribed to Nebula since the beginning, just like I have been with YouTube Premium. But I watch almost all of the Nebula creators’ content on YouTube since that’s where 90% of the non-Netflix style content I want to see is. I’ll check every once in a while to see what new exclusives the creators I like have done, and watch those on Nebula, but that’s about it.
So I basically stay subscribed to keep supporting the creators I like, but consume most of their content elsewhere. Which is, I guess, the best case scenario for Nebula. They get the money and YouTube bares the costs of providing the content to me.
I've never looked at Nebula before. It looks like there's very little music? Searching on "music" returns people talking about music, rather than music, and much of it looks like influencer content with clickbait headlines. It's the stuff I avoid while looking for music to listen to on YouTube.
Also, searching on "accordion" has zero results :-)
yeah that's not really the niche that Nebula lives in, it's more for longer-form video content and series rather than music