Blessings upon your upcoming surgery, for the skills of your surgeons, and the care of your staff. This morning's yuri is head canon slow burn, that's all. Hopefully available again when you're up :)
Blessings upon your upcoming surgery, for the skills of your surgeons, and the care of your staff.
This morning's yuri is head canon slow burn, that's all. Hopefully available again when you're up :)
I'm up again! Probably came back up a few minutes after I posted this, but that's a few minutes after I could have gotten some farm time in with breakfast. 😤
I'm up again! Probably came back up a few minutes after I posted this, but that's a few minutes after I could have gotten some farm time in with breakfast. 😤
NO! I missed that. My original comment was accidentally almost a haiku and so I tried committing to the bit. But apparently was still waking up. Thanks for catching what I was going for though!
NO! I missed that. My original comment was accidentally almost a haiku and so I tried committing to the bit. But apparently was still waking up. Thanks for catching what I was going for though!
Right in the middle of editing my mtg deck on moxfield! /s What saddens me is that nothing will be done about it once they come back because the cost of a temporary outage once every blue moon is...
Right in the middle of editing my mtg deck on moxfield! /s
What saddens me is that nothing will be done about it once they come back because the cost of a temporary outage once every blue moon is worth the long term savings for most businesses.
I wish there was political interest in decentralizing sectors like this to avoid monopolies. As an EU citizen it hurts that almost everything I and other people do on a computer must at some point go through giant for-profit American corporations.
To some extent, it’s just not a problem? All services have downtime. It’s just entropy and human error. It’s not like you’d magically have no downtime if you did things on prem. Cloudflare has...
To some extent, it’s just not a problem? All services have downtime. It’s just entropy and human error. It’s not like you’d magically have no downtime if you did things on prem.
Cloudflare has uptime metrics, and they’re extremely good. It’s better than what most companies could do on their own. That doesn’t mean no downtime, it just means less downtime.
Sometimes they have downtime, is what it is. If it’s bad enough, as a client you know they’ll give you a big discount on the next bill and that they’re hauling ass to fix it.
All services have downtime, sure, but in the last month all services have had downtime. AWS, Cloudflare, Azure have gone down. When a service has downtime it sucks. When everything is down...
All services have downtime, sure, but in the last month all services have had downtime. AWS, Cloudflare, Azure have gone down.
When a service has downtime it sucks. When everything is down simultaneously it is worthy of some questions as to whether or not this is a good idea.
I think being down at the same time as everything else is a positive from the business perspective. Imagine your service goes down. Would you rather your consumer think “Dang, this service might...
When a service has downtime it sucks. When everything is down simultaneously it is worthy of some questions as to whether or not this is a good idea.
I think being down at the same time as everything else is a positive from the business perspective. Imagine your service goes down. Would you rather your consumer think “Dang, this service might be unreliable?” or “Oh, X and ChatGPT are down today; guess it’s just a bad day.”? Non-technical users aren’t going to see this as a shared point of failure, but rather business as usual.
It’s also not a bad thing from an employee POV. If a quarter of the Internet isn’t doing business, it’s a lot easier to take a few hours or a day off than if the one service you need has downtime and everything else is working.
Just seems like bad luck. There doesn’t seem to be any connecting factors between the different outages. They’ve been operating for a long time, the outages are not usually correlated in time. Is...
Just seems like bad luck. There doesn’t seem to be any connecting factors between the different outages. They’ve been operating for a long time, the outages are not usually correlated in time.
I don't mean that they are connected, I just mean that we are really close to having all of our eggs in three baskets. The baskets don't have to be tied together for it to be a good idea to get a...
I don't mean that they are connected, I just mean that we are really close to having all of our eggs in three baskets. The baskets don't have to be tied together for it to be a good idea to get a few more around.
We have quite a few baskets (AWS, Azure, Oracle, GCP, and Alibaba outside of the US), and from the last few outages, seems fine? An “all your eggs in the same basket” problem would really be a...
We have quite a few baskets (AWS, Azure, Oracle, GCP, and Alibaba outside of the US), and from the last few outages, seems fine? An “all your eggs in the same basket” problem would really be a scenario, where, say, Uber and Lyft and your local taxi company all had an outage when you had to get the airport. Where all parallel services have outages at the same time. That hasn’t really happened, though.
Cloudflares having issues now, but I haven’t seen any scenarios where all alternatives for a single vertical are down, and it’ll be resolved in a few hours, and that’ll be it.
I mostly agree with your broader point - I think the overall uptime is pretty damn good, and the impact of an outage actually is mostly the fault of the companies using these services without...
I mostly agree with your broader point - I think the overall uptime is pretty damn good, and the impact of an outage actually is mostly the fault of the companies using these services without creating a fallback or failover on a second platform - but by market share we basically have two players: AWS and Cloudflare.
And for a lot of sites, they’ll be using both in the worst-case way, with different components from each so failure of either one takes the site down, rather than redundancy so that only a simultaneous failure of both would be a problem.
Yeah that was kind of my meaning - in the “supply chain” for delivering content over the internet, you’ve basically got AWS handling the servers and Cloudflare handling the networking (although...
Yeah that was kind of my meaning - in the “supply chain” for delivering content over the internet, you’ve basically got AWS handling the servers and Cloudflare handling the networking (although the lines are actually getting fuzzier as they both try to expand into new offerings and eat each others’ lunch a bit), and they each own an extremely significant share of their respective markets (outside China, which is important, but its own thing in a lot of ways).
I was meaning that other players don’t come close to the dominance of those two, that’s why I mentioned a lot of sites using both in a non-redundant way. We’re a lot closer to eggs in one basket - or two baskets, tied together in a way that you can’t get to the remaining eggs anyway if either breaks - than it’d look like just by seeing how many companies operate in the space.
I feel like that isn’t really true, though? We’ve seen both have outages, and it’s far from everything that’s gone down. Just some services in many areas. For example, pocketcasts was down. But...
I feel like that isn’t really true, though? We’ve seen both have outages, and it’s far from everything that’s gone down. Just some services in many areas.
For example, pocketcasts was down. But overcast wasn’t. Twitter was down. Bluesky wasn’t.
It went down, it was a minor annoyance on my way to work, oh well.
They do a lot more than reverse proxying nowadays. You can host your website or API or database. Cloudflare R2 is an S3 competitor. I think this does look a lot like competing with cloud...
They do a lot more than reverse proxying nowadays. You can host your website or API or database. Cloudflare R2 is an S3 competitor.
I think this does look a lot like competing with cloud providers, at least from the customer’s point of view?
I'm not saying we should aim for 100% uptime in any service, nor do I think that's possible. That's not my issue at all. The problem I have is with pretty much every single website relying on one...
I'm not saying we should aim for 100% uptime in any service, nor do I think that's possible. That's not my issue at all.
The problem I have is with pretty much every single website relying on one of 4 big corporations to be operable (Cloudflare, AWS, Google, Azure).
This means that, when one of those goes down, one single company's downtime affects everyone, and I really don't think that's a good trajectory for the internet.
I am particularly concerned with digital sovereignty as well because all these big corporations are American and the US has proved time and time again to not be a reliable ally. I don't think my entire country's digital infrastructure should be at risk if Microsoft, at the behest of the US government, decides to pull the plug, for example.
I don’t really think just affecting many people in small ways matters all that much. It matters if every parallel services in a vertical is down, because then you’re just blocked from doing...
This means that, when one of those goes down, one single company's downtime affects everyone, and I really don't think that's a good trajectory for the internet.
I don’t really think just affecting many people in small ways matters all that much. It matters if every parallel services in a vertical is down, because then you’re just blocked from doing something, but so far I haven’t really seen any examples of that.
In terms of national security, that’s a fair point, but it also is out of scope of
cost of a temporary outage once every blue moon is worth the long term savings for most businesses.
On an individual company level, weighing cost and benefit, national security isn’t in their purview. That’s the country in questions problem, not Microsoft or Cloudflare and their users.
I have. At least 3 people I know had no job today because the service their businesses use to place orders was down due to cloudflare. Similar things happened when AWS went down a while back. When...
but so far I haven’t really seen any examples of that.
I have. At least 3 people I know had no job today because the service their businesses use to place orders was down due to cloudflare. Similar things happened when AWS went down a while back.
When everything runs on these services, one outage is enough to bring all businesses down. The only saving grace is that they are usually not that long, but it is ridiculous to me that we live in a world where we put all eggs in one basket for such critical infrastructure.
I'm not saying businesses should make financial decisions that hurt them, that's precisely why I said I wish there was political interest in changing this, because obviously capitalism only cares about profit maximization and a small outage has already been determined to not meaningfully impact profits.
No, that’s different. I mean if every parallel services service was down, so every possible service you could use to place orders. If you rely on one service, and it has an outage because of...
I have. At least 3 people I know had no job today because the service their businesses use to place orders was down due to cloudflare. Similar things happened when AWS went down a while back.
No, that’s different. I mean if every parallel services service was down, so every possible service you could use to place orders.
If you rely on one service, and it has an outage because of Cloudflare, is what it is. Everything has outages, big basket or not. The size of the basket only matters when every alternative is in the basket.
It has been hilariously sporadic at various times. Probably a mix of internal shenanigans, but I couldn't post squat at one point during the day while co-workers were having no issue, and then...
It has been hilariously sporadic at various times. Probably a mix of internal shenanigans, but I couldn't post squat at one point during the day while co-workers were having no issue, and then later I could post while they couldn't. Thankfully it didn't hitch up our company too much, and we technically can pop off cloudflare if we need to (and might, depending on how long this lasts).
https://blog.cloudflare.com/18-november-2025-outage/ Apparently they goofed when changing database permissions and thought they were under attack. Whoops.
These days I see services proudly advertise "99.9%" and it makes me scratch my head in confusion... (I bet they still don't compensate you if it's lower than that, too.)
These days I see services proudly advertise "99.9%" and it makes me scratch my head in confusion...
(I bet they still don't compensate you if it's lower than that, too.)
FarmRPG down
Can't harvest my crops in morning
A real tragedy
I'm waiting to get surgery this afternoon and was hoping to read a bunch of online yuri mangas, but the sites don't work. This outage is homophobic.
Blessings upon your upcoming surgery, for the skills of your surgeons, and the care of your staff.
This morning's yuri is head canon slow burn, that's all. Hopefully available again when you're up :)
Thank you for the blessings chocobean! All went fine and I can now catch up on what I missed :)
Yay high five!! :D speedy recovery!
My dad is getting back surgery this afternoon… I’m pretend you’re him. Thank you.
No, Sunbutt23, I am your father.
(PS: best of luck to him I hope it goes well!)
How'd Uncle Sunbutt23's surgery go? Sending good vibes for speedy and full recovery
Good. It was scrubbing an abscess formed from the implant of a disc (?) between L5 S1 (I think). But no complications yet.
Yay! Wonders of modern science!
Same though
I got help requests to do and nets to make ತ_ʖತ
(Up for me for the moment)
I'm up again! Probably came back up a few minutes after I posted this, but that's a few minutes after I could have gotten some farm time in with breakfast. 😤
Lose the "my" and you have a beautiful Haiku.
NO! I missed that. My original comment was accidentally almost a haiku and so I tried committing to the bit. But apparently was still waking up. Thanks for catching what I was going for though!
Right in the middle of editing my mtg deck on moxfield! /s
What saddens me is that nothing will be done about it once they come back because the cost of a temporary outage once every blue moon is worth the long term savings for most businesses.
I wish there was political interest in decentralizing sectors like this to avoid monopolies. As an EU citizen it hurts that almost everything I and other people do on a computer must at some point go through giant for-profit American corporations.
To some extent, it’s just not a problem? All services have downtime. It’s just entropy and human error. It’s not like you’d magically have no downtime if you did things on prem.
Cloudflare has uptime metrics, and they’re extremely good. It’s better than what most companies could do on their own. That doesn’t mean no downtime, it just means less downtime.
Sometimes they have downtime, is what it is. If it’s bad enough, as a client you know they’ll give you a big discount on the next bill and that they’re hauling ass to fix it.
All services have downtime, sure, but in the last month all services have had downtime. AWS, Cloudflare, Azure have gone down.
When a service has downtime it sucks. When everything is down simultaneously it is worthy of some questions as to whether or not this is a good idea.
I think being down at the same time as everything else is a positive from the business perspective. Imagine your service goes down. Would you rather your consumer think “Dang, this service might be unreliable?” or “Oh, X and ChatGPT are down today; guess it’s just a bad day.”? Non-technical users aren’t going to see this as a shared point of failure, but rather business as usual.
It’s also not a bad thing from an employee POV. If a quarter of the Internet isn’t doing business, it’s a lot easier to take a few hours or a day off than if the one service you need has downtime and everything else is working.
Just seems like bad luck. There doesn’t seem to be any connecting factors between the different outages. They’ve been operating for a long time, the outages are not usually correlated in time.
Is what it is.
I don't mean that they are connected, I just mean that we are really close to having all of our eggs in three baskets. The baskets don't have to be tied together for it to be a good idea to get a few more around.
We have quite a few baskets (AWS, Azure, Oracle, GCP, and Alibaba outside of the US), and from the last few outages, seems fine? An “all your eggs in the same basket” problem would really be a scenario, where, say, Uber and Lyft and your local taxi company all had an outage when you had to get the airport. Where all parallel services have outages at the same time. That hasn’t really happened, though.
Cloudflares having issues now, but I haven’t seen any scenarios where all alternatives for a single vertical are down, and it’ll be resolved in a few hours, and that’ll be it.
I mostly agree with your broader point - I think the overall uptime is pretty damn good, and the impact of an outage actually is mostly the fault of the companies using these services without creating a fallback or failover on a second platform - but by market share we basically have two players: AWS and Cloudflare.
And for a lot of sites, they’ll be using both in the worst-case way, with different components from each so failure of either one takes the site down, rather than redundancy so that only a simultaneous failure of both would be a problem.
In what sense? They’re not even in the same market, really. Cloudflares competitors are more like Akamai. It’s not a cloud provider, despite the name.
Yeah that was kind of my meaning - in the “supply chain” for delivering content over the internet, you’ve basically got AWS handling the servers and Cloudflare handling the networking (although the lines are actually getting fuzzier as they both try to expand into new offerings and eat each others’ lunch a bit), and they each own an extremely significant share of their respective markets (outside China, which is important, but its own thing in a lot of ways).
I was meaning that other players don’t come close to the dominance of those two, that’s why I mentioned a lot of sites using both in a non-redundant way. We’re a lot closer to eggs in one basket - or two baskets, tied together in a way that you can’t get to the remaining eggs anyway if either breaks - than it’d look like just by seeing how many companies operate in the space.
I feel like that isn’t really true, though? We’ve seen both have outages, and it’s far from everything that’s gone down. Just some services in many areas.
For example, pocketcasts was down. But overcast wasn’t. Twitter was down. Bluesky wasn’t.
It went down, it was a minor annoyance on my way to work, oh well.
They do a lot more than reverse proxying nowadays. You can host your website or API or database. Cloudflare R2 is an S3 competitor.
I think this does look a lot like competing with cloud providers, at least from the customer’s point of view?
I'm not saying we should aim for 100% uptime in any service, nor do I think that's possible. That's not my issue at all.
The problem I have is with pretty much every single website relying on one of 4 big corporations to be operable (Cloudflare, AWS, Google, Azure).
This means that, when one of those goes down, one single company's downtime affects everyone, and I really don't think that's a good trajectory for the internet.
I am particularly concerned with digital sovereignty as well because all these big corporations are American and the US has proved time and time again to not be a reliable ally. I don't think my entire country's digital infrastructure should be at risk if Microsoft, at the behest of the US government, decides to pull the plug, for example.
I don’t really think just affecting many people in small ways matters all that much. It matters if every parallel services in a vertical is down, because then you’re just blocked from doing something, but so far I haven’t really seen any examples of that.
In terms of national security, that’s a fair point, but it also is out of scope of
On an individual company level, weighing cost and benefit, national security isn’t in their purview. That’s the country in questions problem, not Microsoft or Cloudflare and their users.
I have. At least 3 people I know had no job today because the service their businesses use to place orders was down due to cloudflare. Similar things happened when AWS went down a while back.
When everything runs on these services, one outage is enough to bring all businesses down. The only saving grace is that they are usually not that long, but it is ridiculous to me that we live in a world where we put all eggs in one basket for such critical infrastructure.
I'm not saying businesses should make financial decisions that hurt them, that's precisely why I said I wish there was political interest in changing this, because obviously capitalism only cares about profit maximization and a small outage has already been determined to not meaningfully impact profits.
No, that’s different. I mean if every parallel services service was down, so every possible service you could use to place orders.
If you rely on one service, and it has an outage because of Cloudflare, is what it is. Everything has outages, big basket or not. The size of the basket only matters when every alternative is in the basket.
Compared to the gold standard five nines reliability of ye olde telephone system? Absolutely.
Downdetector wasn't even available to check the outage status because, surprise, they also use cloudflare!
It's been working for me all morning ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (as in, like once 30 minutes ago and just now).
It has been hilariously sporadic at various times. Probably a mix of internal shenanigans, but I couldn't post squat at one point during the day while co-workers were having no issue, and then later I could post while they couldn't. Thankfully it didn't hitch up our company too much, and we technically can pop off cloudflare if we need to (and might, depending on how long this lasts).
https://blog.cloudflare.com/18-november-2025-outage/
Apparently they goofed when changing database permissions and thought they were under attack. Whoops.
Letterboxd is down as well. I didn't realize that they used Cloudflare.
Remember when 5 9's was a thing?
These days I see services proudly advertise "99.9%" and it makes me scratch my head in confusion...
(I bet they still don't compensate you if it's lower than that, too.)