Looking for an effective self-block application for Android
My phone is a Samsung A55. Fully updated.
I have ADHD and autism, which is to say that I have a very obsessive personality. I have used various blockers over the years to prevent me from wasting time on apps and websites.
Lock me Out has helped me for many years to curb my smartphone usage. Unfortunately, it stopped working, as it became easy to circumvent by either forcing the program to stop or uninstalling it. I have been in contact with the developer, but they weren't able to find a solution and eventually stopped responding to my emails.
So I need an app that prevents me from disabling blocks at all.
While I can pay for an app even if it is a little expensive, I cannot justify an expensive subscription priced in US dollars (although I might do so if there's no other alternative).
Any suggestions that could help me out? I'm using my phone 24/7, I can't stand it anymore. And I cannot simply turn it off because I have a toddler, and I must be accessible to my wife for emergencies when she leaves the home with him.
There are also many ways to use a smartphone that are actually useful, positive, and non-addictive. And I'd rather be able to access these functionalities.
Thanks!
I understand that you're looking for a denial app to halt unwanted behavior, but have you considered the inverse? Like an app that incentivizes a desired behavior pattern?
I assume there are others, but a lot of people seem to like Focus Friend for this. It's a little game that only gives "progress" (make the number go up!) when you aren't using distracting apps. I didn't find it particularly compelling for my brain, but a lot of people do. I've had success with similar methods in other realms, i.e. games that give progress in exchange for steps have gotten me out of bed many mornings for a walk that I otherwise would have skipped.
I only mention this because I personally find that being told "no" and having someone (including myself) try to stop me just makes beating the restriction the new game - one that I usually win eventually. But when I'm instead told "I bet you can't (do the desired behavior)" and I get rewarded if I manage to do it, the game becomes beating their expectations - which I also can accomplish. It aligns what I know I want to have as a result (call it intellect or superego if you wish) with what I want to do out of stubbornness/competitiveness (call it emotion or id if you wish).
Just an idea if you hadn't tried it from this angle. Certainly not for everyone. Good luck, I know this struggle!
Have you tried using parental controls to lock out apps? I believe those will be much harder to circumvent as the assumption is that the user is at least somewhat hostile to their operation.
You could also look into controls provided by MDM - Mobile Device Management - the suite of tools used by corporations to enforce policies on devices. But I genuinely have no idea how accessible that is to an individual.
I have not. If I understand correctly, someone would have to act as the "parent" in those cases? Perhaps my wife? It's definitely a possibility. I'll look into it. Thanks!
Possibly, I'm really not sure on the details. But I could imagine unlocking or acting as the parent could require a password that you could keep written down somewhere irritating to access, or something in that vein.
My parents installed some of those on my phone in my pre-teen years, and they are absolutely not impossible to circumvent. Restarting the phone in safe mode disables all user-installed apps, and you can easily uninstall or permanently disable it from there.
The only one I haven't found a way to bypass as a child is Google Family Link, because it completely blocks your phone screen as soon as you turn it on and doesn't let you press anything at all. But that means it also blocks useful functionality, which OP doesn't want.
I think the phone operating systems are generally designed with the principle that the user can be trusted more than some third-party apps, so letting an app prevent the user from uninstalling itself isn't really something that's usually supported.
Well to be clear I didn't say impossible to circumvent. Just more difficult. I agree that generally the idea is users are more trusted than applications, but in general that's less true in child mode.
If anyone's curious, I found the almost perfect app for me: Digital Detox by Urbandroid on Android.
It is free, blocks everything, and even prevents me from uninstalling it by replacing the lock screen with its own launcher containing only the items I've whitelisted. I also cannot access my default launcher, of course.
I can set an amount to pay to end the blocks the same way as I could with Lock Me Out. So I chose a value that is substantial enough to deter my impulses but also not high enough that it imposes too much of a burden in case of an emergency.
Thank you for all the suggestions, and give Digital Detox a chance if you have needs similar to mine!
An update
I identified the issue with both Lock Me Out and Digital Detox (which in retrospect can also be uninstalled during a block).
I have no idea why I arrived at that suspicion, but the issue is that my phone was in Portuguese and these apps clearly work by identifying specific strings. Changing my phone to English made both work as intended, and the settings to stop and uninstall them are completely blocked!
I don't mind using my phone in English but I'm used to Portuguese and that's a little annoying. This change in behavior was probably caused by some Android update along the way.
Oh, well 🤣
DetoxDroid seems to let you select apps and I saw at least one pic in not-English, perhaps it can suit your needs? Otherwise, I'll second the timed lockbox, it's an effective method for other addictions.
https://f-droid.org/packages/com.flx_apps.digitaldetox/
I use an app that's just called Block, I think, and it's been pretty good so far. It can block specific apps, as well as websites, it has a few different ways of scheduling blocks (schedules, hourly limits, daily limits) and it has a fairly configurable pause setting. I've not fiddled around much with the anti-uninstall stuff but it looks like it has that, you could see if that handles Portuguese properly!
I have the pro version but I'm fairly sure that that was a one time fee, and I found it a reasonable price. A number of features are only available with pro, but I can't remember which ones right now, unfortunately.
My current tactic is to block all time wasting apps and websites between 6am and 7pm, with pauses disabled. I have a second block that does the same, but it only blocks newly installed apps and it allows me to pause the block - this is an escape hatch that makes installing new games and things a nuisance, but means if I'm somewhere and I need to install a particular app for some reason, then I can still do that. Finally, I have a 24/7 block on Reddit that I can unpause for 5 mins at a time, so that I can read Reddit results when I'm googling something, but it's difficult to keep on scrolling endlessly. (Actually, I might have already disabled that last one because Reddit's new login popup makes it so difficult to use anyway.)
I've found this setup really effective so far, and it's been going for over a year now, I think, in various forms. I think part of it is a psychological sense that I paid for this thing, so I'm damn well going to use it properly, but even before I paid I was fairly happy with it.
Good luck in your search, though. I sometimes feel a bit dumb that I need my phone to tell me when I'm allowed to play with it, but at the same time it works, I'm happier for it, and that's what matters.
I have a crappy phone and nothing makes me not want to use it as slow response time, random lags, etc. It's just unpleasant to use so I don't use it as much.
Maybe you can try to put the phone on power saving mode, and increase effects/transitions time in the settings, you could also try to limit the bandwidth so it's slow to load stuff. Another idea would be to make it unpleasant to hold physically, maybe a super heavy, bulky, ugly case ?
Buy the cheapest phone you can find next time :)
Unfortunately anything that is not a hard block will work for me. I could buy a much crappier phone, that is certainly a possibility. But the reality is that I'll just keep using regardless of inconvenience, the impulse is way too strong.
Thanks!
Maybe at this stage you should get a dumb phone for your wife and relegate the useful stuff to a desktop computer.
At that point, why not just delete the apps from your phone?
Unfortunately some apps are inescapable due to circumstances outside my control. WhatsApp, for example, is both socially and practically mandatory in my country. We use WhatsApp to make doctors appointments, be in touch with family and even interacting with companies, banks and governments. I already never had or already uninstalled many addictive apps such as Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, orTwitter. There is also the issue of being able to easily reinstall any app other Play Store. With Lock Me Out these apps remained blocked regardless.
You find whatsapp distracting? What content is in there that you get stuck on?
What I described and more. WhatsApp is essentially the everything app in my country. All kinds of anxiety inducing solicitations you can possibly imagine go through WhatsApp.
Can you block certain things in whatsapp?
Setting timers for apps and adding the widget as prominet as possible when you open the phone might help you.
https://www.androidcentral.com/apps-software/how-to-enable-the-digital-wellbeing-widget-on-android-12
I really struggle with this as well, especially as someone with bad ADHD and also working from home. In fact, I am literally blowing off work right now while browsing Tildes and to type this.
I put a screen use time widget on my home screen. That way every time I pick up my phone I am faced directly with how much time I've wasted on it that day. The problem with this is, if I am "good" and don't use it much, I think to myself: "oh I've got X minutes left in my phone budget today, so I'm going to spend the rest of the night scrolling." Not good.
The only thing I've found that really helps is physically putting my phone somewhere else. It is downstairs on the kitchen table right now. If I "accidentally" go get it again, I might make it more difficult to get to by bringing it outside and locking it in my car. I have such a bad memory that sometimes putting it in a random drawer will make me forget where it is the next time I go to pick it up, so I can effectively "hide" it from myself (until I use the find my phone feature from my watch).
I have also received advertisements for this "brick" product, although I have no personal experience with it: https://getbrick.com/
Unfortunately, I do have to be at a computer for work. Before I went WFH, I asked a friend who worked in IT to block certain websites from my machine for me, which helped. But I have found nothing to remain focused with a computer monitor in front of me.
Sometimes I just say to myself, "be bored". Like if I'm about to pick it up I just have to think to myself, "no... it's OK to just be bored for a minute. Stare at the wall if you have to but don't pick up the phone." Sorry you're dealing with this, I know what it's like. I have not found many good strategies but these are the best ones I've come up with.
I also use a blocker but I am unfamiliar with android software. AFAIK deleting the blocker will work as a loophole for all of the apps, unfortunately.
What has worked best for me is a mix of app blocking, mindfulness and reflection. Blocking yourself isn’t an entire solution and it will never solely work forever if you aren’t incorporating other tools because technology and social media is so prevalent in society and the intention from all of these companies is addiction. The people who make your phone don’t want you to use it less, they aren’t interested in allowing foolproof solutions for people.
You can rewire your brain to stop addictive behaviors but it takes work. Yes, you can still succeed with a neurodivergent mind.
Being mindful: You likely have a lot of anxiety when you aren’t being stimulated by your phone. You need to let yourself be exposed to it in order for it to feel less intense. When the intensity of that anxiety goes down, you need to start taking notice of your environment and discover what you enjoy when you aren’t distracted. For me, I forgot how beautiful the sky and trees were. I forgot the sound of birds chirping, wind blowing, how good the sun on my skin feels. It seems simple, but these small things make me feel genuine happiness in a way that I can never get from a phone.
Honestly I used to think people who suggested meditation were saps, but I was wrong. Guided meditation is so fucking awesome. It really helps shift you into this headspace when you’re having a difficult time achieving it intuitively. It will take practice though.
Reflection: Be honest with yourself and think about how you felt about the time spent on your phone vs the time off of it. Did you feel like you accomplished something while you were away? Allow yourself to sit in that feeling of accomplishment for a bit, you deserve it.
Were you on your phone and got lost in a black hole of time and lost your whole day and feel guilty about it? Yes, allow yourself to feel that too, don’t avoid it. The great thing about guilt or any other negative feelings is if you pay attention to it you discover that ultimately you are in control and you can take steps to avoid the things that cause you to feel that way in the future.
Also one final note since you mentioned ADHD. Are you medicating it? Don’t fall into the trap of being on your phone until the meds kick in, that’s an easy way to suck yourself into the void and feel delusionally productive lol. Do other things while your meds kick in and pull out the phone after you did what you planned to do. From one ADHD to another lmao.
I understand you found a solution that is to your liking.
I do have a suggestion you may want to try in the future anyway (or to alternate with - something that often works fine for me; to alternate methods): a physical timed lock box with a code too (so your wife can open it for you when she goes out with your kid for example).
So you have to put the phone in yourself and decide when it should open, but you (or actually your wife) are also able to unlock it with a code.