Honestly I found this pretty amusing just because of how surreal it feels, fans of a youtube creator trying to make ransomwear "as a meme" but inadvertently just creating a virus that nukes your...
Honestly I found this pretty amusing just because of how surreal it feels, fans of a youtube creator trying to make ransomwear "as a meme" but inadvertently just creating a virus that nukes your filesystem is a pretty good metaphor for what internet culture is evolving into.
I really wish I could find it amusing, but I have a feeling it'll escalate into actual ransomware given the events over the past few weeks. PDP's fans are obsessed with this idea of one-upping...
I really wish I could find it amusing, but I have a feeling it'll escalate into actual ransomware given the events over the past few weeks. PDP's fans are obsessed with this idea of one-upping each other and I'm not too surprised, given PDP's own attitude.
The first computer worm ever released was a joke/meme: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creeper_(program) If that one doesn't count because it didn't do damage to users, the first wide-spread virus...
The first computer worm ever released was a joke/meme:
I must live in another dimension, because i'm lost. Youtube lost it's appeal to me a long time ago and i use it just to watch live music. What does this Pewdiepie do that mass shooters and...
I must live in another dimension, because i'm lost. Youtube lost it's appeal to me a long time ago and i use it just to watch live music.
What does this Pewdiepie do that mass shooters and ransonware creators are promoting him? I prefer to not go there and give one more view.
It's a meme, that's why. He represents a great idea of this generation - that a single man can be the most subscribed channel on YouTube. Recently his channel had been fighting with another...
It's a meme, that's why. He represents a great idea of this generation - that a single man can be the most subscribed channel on YouTube. Recently his channel had been fighting with another channel T-Series, and that channel is just filled with cutouts from Indian films. It's individual vs corporate struggle, and that's why it resonates so much with people. As for ransomware and shooters - these people are just meming their asses off, if you'll watch the full video of that shooting - that guy spews out every meme he knows, he even wrote "traps aren't gay" on his gun. I'm surprised he had not been flossing over dead bodies - his main goal was to get as much attention as he could, and he was very successful at that. Mentioning the most popular channel in the world that media dislikes is basically free ticket to more publicity.
It is 1:1, absolutely. Am I not typing this message right now? Will you not be reading these words later? How much more "real" can it be? The idea that the internet is somehow not real or...
It is 1:1, absolutely. Am I not typing this message right now? Will you not be reading these words later? How much more "real" can it be? The idea that the internet is somehow not real or inconsequential is a delusion that needs to be squashed. It's allowing extremist groups to gain new members and cause even more tragedy.
Yes. This is something that I have believed for some time: the problem is not that people can't separate internet and the real world, but that they believe the separation exists in the first...
Yes. This is something that I have believed for some time: the problem is not that people can't separate internet and the real world, but that they believe the separation exists in the first place.
And this has been true for as long as I have used internet. Trolling, hacking, doxxing, being ironically fascist and so on, seem to be symptoms of people not taking what they do on the internet seriously. "It's just fun, it's just memes. It's just the internet. Don't take it so seriously."
But internet is real, and it affects people. And we need to come to terms with that. Hopefully sooner than later.
I had a similar question to @Grand0rbiter, but this explanation doesn't address it. Out of millions of YouTube channels... why PewDiePie? What makes this person so popular that 90 million people...
I had a similar question to @Grand0rbiter, but this explanation doesn't address it. Out of millions of YouTube channels... why PewDiePie? What makes this person so popular that 90 million people are following his channel, and that programmers are creating ransomware to trash people's computers just to promote him, and that even a mass shooter makes a point of promoting him while killing innocent people? Why PewDiePie? What did he do to warrant this attention? Who is he? Why is he popular? What does he do or say? Why do people watch his videos?
he happened to get his start in the "annoying youtuber playing wacky games" boom around 2011 and was media savvy enough to parlay that beginning into a career that snowballed and turned him into...
What makes this person so popular that 90 million people are following his channel,
he happened to get his start in the "annoying youtuber playing wacky games" boom around 2011 and was media savvy enough to parlay that beginning into a career that snowballed and turned him into the most popular individual youtuber period on the site by 2013 or so. he's basically been the face of youtube for half a decade, at this point, and he's held the title for most subscribers for about as long.
he's charismatic. that's about it, and that's about all you need. there's not always a big reason for the popularity of youtubers, and in the case of pewdiepie it's mostly just he happened to...
How? What made him so popular among viewers? Being media savvy might bring people to your channel, but it won't make them subscribe.
he's charismatic. that's about it, and that's about all you need. there's not always a big reason for the popularity of youtubers, and in the case of pewdiepie it's mostly just he happened to capitalize on a social trend, got big off that, and has rode the resulting wave until he reached enough people that his popularity brought people to him for being popular. almost all his growth nowadays is because he's popular, not necessarily because of his content.
Wow. This is today's dose of "you're an old man and you just don't get modern culture". Thanks for that! :) The idea of subscribing to someone's video channel just because everyone else subscribes...
almost all his growth nowadays is because he's popular, not necessarily because of his content.
Wow. This is today's dose of "you're an old man and you just don't get modern culture". Thanks for that! :) The idea of subscribing to someone's video channel just because everyone else subscribes to it seems a bit silly to me.
This is not modern culture. Before the internet we had and still have people who are famous because once they stared in a reality tv show and now they are just famous because they are. People buy...
This is not modern culture. Before the internet we had and still have people who are famous because once they stared in a reality tv show and now they are just famous because they are. People buy magazines and watch entertainment news to hear mundane details of people who are famous.
My son is 12 and apparently the prime demographic for pewdiepie. He gets most of his news through some offshoot channel called pew news or similar. For him and his friends, it seems they...
My son is 12 and apparently the prime demographic for pewdiepie. He gets most of his news through some offshoot channel called pew news or similar. For him and his friends, it seems they acknowledge that pewdiepie isn’t great and often say he’s cringe, but at the same time they want to be up to date in the memes and whatever else is going to be the hot topic at school the next day. It’s similar to how when I was younger, I would watch the news each night to be in the loop for office conversations the next day.
I think I can answer as someone that is actually subscribed to PewDiePie (unpopular admission here, I know). The popular impression is that most of his subscribers are kids. That may or may not be...
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I think I can answer as someone that is actually subscribed to PewDiePie (unpopular admission here, I know).
The popular impression is that most of his subscribers are kids. That may or may not be true, I don't know. I'm in my early 30s though, so I don't know if I'm out of his demo or not. I remember when he first got popular, his content was definitely aimed at younger people. He did lets plays with a lot of narrating, yelling, and overacting. The stuff was a real turnoff for me and I couldn't stand the guy back in the day. Around 4-5 years ago, he pivoted his channel to not at all be about gaming anymore, instead focusing exclusively on commentary, or "reaction" videos, which were starting to become popular at the time.
This is when I started actually enjoying his content. The poster above is correct. His appeal is that he's charismatic. He's also self deprecating, self-aware, and in tune enough with youtube and internet culture to "get it" but also in a position where he generally doesn't get bogged down in the types of interpersonal drama that a lot of people that are mired in that culture do (with some exceptions of course). I watch his content like a lot of people watch reality shows or lifetime special movies or TLC. It's trash entertainment. I'm not going to learn anything, but I'll be entertained for 10 minutes once a day.
As far as the subscribe to PewDiePie thing goes, it's a meme that's taken on a life of it's own. PewDiePie encourages it, even though he's admitted that he really doesn't care about the #1 spot. It was just a rivalry, something to talk about, and something to get his community engaged. At this point, people are taking it far, far more seriously than he is, and I doubt he continues to talk about it or promote it much in the future in light of recent events.
i don't think this is especially new. i mean, on some level, i think all mass shooters, terrorists, and people who kill in general know they'll get attention for what they plan to do and for most...
What sick world are we living? Killing people for attention. It drives me mad. I just lost hope for the future.
i don't think this is especially new. i mean, on some level, i think all mass shooters, terrorists, and people who kill in general know they'll get attention for what they plan to do and for most of them it's part of what motivates them--it just happens the mosque shooter was terminally online and media savvy, and therefore happens to be a logical extreme of that particular motivation.
I understand and agree with you, but i can't help but think that maybe he wouldn't have done it if he didn't find that avenue. There were people giving him incentive. We can never know for sure...
I understand and agree with you, but i can't help but think that maybe he wouldn't have done it if he didn't find that avenue. There were people giving him incentive.
We can never know for sure and it's useless, because insane people will be insane. But it makes me wonder...
Some people would still be alive.
It's the same with everything. Be it environmental impact, greed, attention. We did something wrong along the way.
Nah, George Bush jr. Just set up a system of education meant to neuter it. Those that make it through the gauntlet of 12 years of failing institutions and anxiety are rewarded with super expensive...
Nah, George Bush jr. Just set up a system of education meant to neuter it. Those that make it through the gauntlet of 12 years of failing institutions and anxiety are rewarded with super expensive college. But wait, he changed the bankruptcy laws for college debt to make them debt slaves. So those that fall through the cracks with lack of funding vote republican out of fear, and those that make it to college vote republican out of conservative pull up your bootstraps ideology. Not 100% but getting closer everyday. The true goal is to bankrupt the money river of government in as few hands as possible.
Is it that much worse than killing people for saying that the earth is not flat or not buying a ticket for a bus? Or having wrong eye color? I suggest you go find your hope for the future again,...
Is it that much worse than killing people for saying that the earth is not flat or not buying a ticket for a bus? Or having wrong eye color?
I suggest you go find your hope for the future again, we may have people like these here and there, but never be fooled into thinking that we are not moving forward by these ones. Media tends to amplify every negative aspect ever, and you don't hear positive stuff too often.
Yeah, i know and agree. But all of them are bad. Like i said in another reply. We did something wrong along the way. There's nothing but the chase for power. Be it attention, money, power,...
Yeah, i know and agree. But all of them are bad.
Like i said in another reply. We did something wrong along the way. There's nothing but the chase for power.
Be it attention, money, power, greed... Any progress is driven by this.
Like global warming. Nobody will do anything if it doesn't fill their pockets.
The need for attention, money, power and greed is all in our nature. Just it is now amplified in our day-to-day life because of the mass media and social media...
The need for attention, money, power and greed is all in our nature. Just it is now amplified in our day-to-day life because of the mass media and social media...
It's just (mostly) a dumb meme that people know they can use to get attention for the otherwise-uninteresting thing that they're doing. 10 years ago, people would have made ransomware that told...
It's just (mostly) a dumb meme that people know they can use to get attention for the otherwise-uninteresting thing that they're doing. 10 years ago, people would have made ransomware that told the victims to "Put Shoe On Head" instead of "Subscribe to PewDiePie".
Neither of these are actually ransomware creators, they're just people with a little bit of programming knowledge that saw a way to get some attention.
As both a pewdiepie fan and a muslim. It saddens me how much the media has been following what the shooter wanted to happen. Now people be calling pewdiepie a nazi and if you defend him you're...
As both a pewdiepie fan and a muslim. It saddens me how much the media has been following what the shooter wanted to happen. Now people be calling pewdiepie a nazi and if you defend him you're also somehow nazi? This really sickens me and I hope god punishes the shooter in barzakh and hell.
to be fair, this criticism might have a little bit less weight if pewdiepie didn't casually endorse people who very openly talk about how to redpill people on the (((jewish question))), casually...
Now people be calling pewdiepie a nazi and if you defend him you're also somehow nazi?
to be fair, this criticism might have a little bit less weight if pewdiepie didn't casually endorse people who very openly talk about how to redpill people on the (((jewish question))), casually and repeatedly drop racial slurs during "heated gaming moments", hang out with far-right and alt-right figures on a not infrequent basis, and other things of that nature. i don't think he's a nazi, but he's really not made an effort to distance himself from people who genuinely and openly are (or stop acting a way that would suggest he is bigoted in some way), and you can't really be surprised if people then infer you either are sympathetic to their views or subscribe to them yourself if you do that!
Yeah, I agree with your statement but I want to add that not every person he hangs out with is an alt right figure so i believe accusing him of being alt right just because out of the many people...
Yeah, I agree with your statement but I want to add that not every person he hangs out with is an alt right figure so i believe accusing him of being alt right just because out of the many people he hangs with, an insignificant amount is alt right, shouldn't be valid.
Also, about him saying the n-word, there are more extreme shit people say while gaming and people who accuses him of racism may just not be familiar with gaming toxicity and how people will spit anything that's offensive during a "heated gaming moment"
It is still racist. Being in a "heated gaming moment" is not an excuse. I grew up with videogames, played online and never did this. Giving a pass just because it's in the heat of the moment is...
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Also, about him saying the n-word, there are more extreme shit people say while gaming and people who accuses him of racism may just not be familiar with gaming toxicity and how people will spit anything that's offensive during a "heated gaming moment"
It is still racist. Being in a "heated gaming moment" is not an excuse. I grew up with videogames, played online and never did this.
Giving a pass just because it's in the heat of the moment is how abuse happens. It's not gaming toxicity, it's people.
Exactly this. I grew up with an NES and then most other consoles and pc games (my first games had to be opened in DOS rather than windows). My kids play games online now and the toxic behavior is...
Exactly this. I grew up with an NES and then most other consoles and pc games (my first games had to be opened in DOS rather than windows). My kids play games online now and the toxic behavior is definitely not just a “part of gaming.” I’ve pulled my son’s headset off his head to lay into his friends a couple different times when I hear them start using derogatory slurs. They all know that I don’t care if they curse or tease each other, but as soon as it crosses into bigotry or hate speech, I end it. One of the kids (who incidentally watches the most YouTube) was by far the worst offender. For him, it was just a part of the gaming culture and didn’t mean anything. Once him and his mom were racially abused in Walmart, it finally clicked for him. It sucks that the abuse was what finally changed his mindset, but when these kids are exposed to so much toxicity it becomes normal for them.
So saying the n-word ONCE automatically makes you a racist? If by that logic, calling someone a girl a bitch once makes you a misogynist? Calling someone retarded is ableist? I'm not saying that...
So saying the n-word ONCE automatically makes you a racist? If by that logic, calling someone a girl a bitch once makes you a misogynist? Calling someone retarded is ableist?
I'm not saying that saying shouldn't be wrong but calling him a racist just for saying the n-word ONCE is too far a stretch.
It's in bad taste and he should apologise for it? Yes and he did.
But automatically labelling him a racist? No, it's too quick to call him a racist just for saying it one time.
i mean... yeah? calling a woman a "bitch" is generally considered misogynistic, calling someone "retarded" is generally considered ableist, and calling someone a "nigger" for killing you in a...
So saying the n-word ONCE automatically makes you a racist? If by that logic, calling someone a girl a bitch once makes you a misogynist? Calling someone retarded is ableist?
i mean... yeah? calling a woman a "bitch" is generally considered misogynistic, calling someone "retarded" is generally considered ableist, and calling someone a "nigger" for killing you in a video game is generally considered racist.
I'm not saying that saying shouldn't be wrong but calling him a racist just for saying the n-word ONCE is too far a stretch. It's in bad taste and he should apologise for it? Yes and he did. But automatically labelling him a racist? No, it's too quick to call him a racist just for saying it one time.
well, it's a good thing he almost did it multiple times after doing it on stream once, suggesting it's not a one off! to say nothing of course of the aforementioned hanging out with people who talk about the JQ and who are actual nazis, alt-righers, etc. there's a case to be made that yes, he'd be racist even if he only said "nigger" once--but it's a moot point, because there's a bit more substance to the criticism than just that heated gaming moment.
Fair enough. While I still don't agree with your viewpoint, i can understand now how you would come to this conclusion. I guess we have to agree to disagree.
Fair enough. While I still don't agree with your viewpoint, i can understand now how you would come to this conclusion. I guess we have to agree to disagree.
I doubt he said that only once in his life. Like you said, it's normal behaviour in a heated game moment so it is not just one time. But yeah, doing that makes him a racist for me.
I doubt he said that only once in his life. Like you said, it's normal behaviour in a heated game moment so it is not just one time.
You can doubt however you want but for now as far as we know, he only said once. Plus, there's lots of slurs people say in a "heated gaming moment" and the n-word is just one of many especially...
You can doubt however you want but for now as far as we know, he only said once. Plus, there's lots of slurs people say in a "heated gaming moment" and the n-word is just one of many especially with the whole n-word meme around that time.
They say that it takes the heat of stress to expose a person's true character. It's not like video games are built with subliminal messages telling you to scream out the n-word. I honestly don't...
Also, about him saying the n-word, there are more extreme shit people say while gaming and people who accuses him of racism may just not be familiar with gaming toxicity and how people will spit anything that's offensive during a "heated gaming moment"
They say that it takes the heat of stress to expose a person's true character. It's not like video games are built with subliminal messages telling you to scream out the n-word.
I honestly don't understand why people play games with voice chat. 99 times out of 100 it's completely useless, even in squad based games. Why do people submit to being screamed at by children and others of similar temperament?
I understand and agree. That being said, an entertainer has a public and a private persona, and the world at large is not privy to the private one. On the other hand, at least he isn't actively...
I understand and agree. That being said, an entertainer has a public and a private persona, and the world at large is not privy to the private one.
On the other hand, at least he isn't actively trying to spread racist messages. PewDiePie isn't the devil, he's just one of hundreds of annoying YouTubers who happens to be popular, many of which are much worse than him.
I understand what you're trying to point out but you need to understand that he's an entertainer that does a lot of edgy jokes and the n-word being taboo exactly fits the edgy humor gig. People...
I understand what you're trying to point out but you need to understand that he's an entertainer that does a lot of edgy jokes and the n-word being taboo exactly fits the edgy humor gig.
People got offended so he apologized. He didn't just brush it off.
On a side note, there are instances of meaningful interactions in voice chat and I think it varies upon which game you play and the servers you play on.
This makes no sense. A person doesn't have to interact with only alt-right people to be seen as alt-right themself. The fact that a large number of the people he's friendly with are alt-right is...
not every person he hangs out with is an alt right figure so i believe accusing him of being alt right just because out of the many people he hangs with, an insignificant amount is alt right, shouldn't be valid.
This makes no sense. A person doesn't have to interact with only alt-right people to be seen as alt-right themself. The fact that a large number of the people he's friendly with are alt-right is enough evidence. He never calls out their hateful behavior and sheds positive lights on these people, which is a tacit endorsement of their views.
Ok how about you make a list of his close friends first? Is Brad alt-right? Mr. Beast? Ken? As I said, the alt-righters associated with him are insignificant considering the amount of other people...
Ok how about you make a list of his close friends first? Is Brad alt-right? Mr. Beast? Ken? As I said, the alt-righters associated with him are insignificant considering the amount of other people in his clique.
Plus you can be friends with people of different views and not everyone is willing to risk a fight with someone just because of differing viewpoints.
Honestly I found this pretty amusing just because of how surreal it feels, fans of a youtube creator trying to make ransomwear "as a meme" but inadvertently just creating a virus that nukes your filesystem is a pretty good metaphor for what internet culture is evolving into.
I really wish I could find it amusing, but I have a feeling it'll escalate into actual ransomware given the events over the past few weeks. PDP's fans are obsessed with this idea of one-upping each other and I'm not too surprised, given PDP's own attitude.
The first computer worm ever released was a joke/meme:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creeper_(program)
If that one doesn't count because it didn't do damage to users, the first wide-spread virus was also a joke that got out of hand:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_Cloner
This "Sub to PewDiePie" stuff isn't some new development or evolution. Humour and memes has been the lifeblood of hackers and viruses since day 1.
Its just that people looking to make a profit quickly took over and outnumbered people looking to do annoying pranks.
It's bizarre that someone can literally make a computer virus and insist it's "just a meme".
I must live in another dimension, because i'm lost. Youtube lost it's appeal to me a long time ago and i use it just to watch live music.
What does this Pewdiepie do that mass shooters and ransonware creators are promoting him? I prefer to not go there and give one more view.
It's a meme, that's why. He represents a great idea of this generation - that a single man can be the most subscribed channel on YouTube. Recently his channel had been fighting with another channel T-Series, and that channel is just filled with cutouts from Indian films. It's individual vs corporate struggle, and that's why it resonates so much with people. As for ransomware and shooters - these people are just meming their asses off, if you'll watch the full video of that shooting - that guy spews out every meme he knows, he even wrote "traps aren't gay" on his gun. I'm surprised he had not been flossing over dead bodies - his main goal was to get as much attention as he could, and he was very successful at that. Mentioning the most popular channel in the world that media dislikes is basically free ticket to more publicity.
These types of people need help separating the internet from the real world.
The internet is the real world. It's not 1:1, obviously, but it's definitely real and we should remember that it has real world effects.
It is 1:1, absolutely. Am I not typing this message right now? Will you not be reading these words later? How much more "real" can it be? The idea that the internet is somehow not real or inconsequential is a delusion that needs to be squashed. It's allowing extremist groups to gain new members and cause even more tragedy.
Yes. This is something that I have believed for some time: the problem is not that people can't separate internet and the real world, but that they believe the separation exists in the first place.
And this has been true for as long as I have used internet. Trolling, hacking, doxxing, being ironically fascist and so on, seem to be symptoms of people not taking what they do on the internet seriously. "It's just fun, it's just memes. It's just the internet. Don't take it so seriously."
But internet is real, and it affects people. And we need to come to terms with that. Hopefully sooner than later.
Then they need to be taught that.
I had a similar question to @Grand0rbiter, but this explanation doesn't address it. Out of millions of YouTube channels... why PewDiePie? What makes this person so popular that 90 million people are following his channel, and that programmers are creating ransomware to trash people's computers just to promote him, and that even a mass shooter makes a point of promoting him while killing innocent people? Why PewDiePie? What did he do to warrant this attention? Who is he? Why is he popular? What does he do or say? Why do people watch his videos?
he happened to get his start in the "annoying youtuber playing wacky games" boom around 2011 and was media savvy enough to parlay that beginning into a career that snowballed and turned him into the most popular individual youtuber period on the site by 2013 or so. he's basically been the face of youtube for half a decade, at this point, and he's held the title for most subscribers for about as long.
How? What made him so popular among viewers? Being media savvy might bring people to your channel, but it won't make them subscribe.
he's charismatic. that's about it, and that's about all you need. there's not always a big reason for the popularity of youtubers, and in the case of pewdiepie it's mostly just he happened to capitalize on a social trend, got big off that, and has rode the resulting wave until he reached enough people that his popularity brought people to him for being popular. almost all his growth nowadays is because he's popular, not necessarily because of his content.
Wow. This is today's dose of "you're an old man and you just don't get modern culture". Thanks for that! :) The idea of subscribing to someone's video channel just because everyone else subscribes to it seems a bit silly to me.
This is not modern culture. Before the internet we had and still have people who are famous because once they stared in a reality tv show and now they are just famous because they are. People buy magazines and watch entertainment news to hear mundane details of people who are famous.
People have been interested in fame for forever.
My son is 12 and apparently the prime demographic for pewdiepie. He gets most of his news through some offshoot channel called pew news or similar. For him and his friends, it seems they acknowledge that pewdiepie isn’t great and often say he’s cringe, but at the same time they want to be up to date in the memes and whatever else is going to be the hot topic at school the next day. It’s similar to how when I was younger, I would watch the news each night to be in the loop for office conversations the next day.
I think I can answer as someone that is actually subscribed to PewDiePie (unpopular admission here, I know).
The popular impression is that most of his subscribers are kids. That may or may not be true, I don't know. I'm in my early 30s though, so I don't know if I'm out of his demo or not. I remember when he first got popular, his content was definitely aimed at younger people. He did lets plays with a lot of narrating, yelling, and overacting. The stuff was a real turnoff for me and I couldn't stand the guy back in the day. Around 4-5 years ago, he pivoted his channel to not at all be about gaming anymore, instead focusing exclusively on commentary, or "reaction" videos, which were starting to become popular at the time.
This is when I started actually enjoying his content. The poster above is correct. His appeal is that he's charismatic. He's also self deprecating, self-aware, and in tune enough with youtube and internet culture to "get it" but also in a position where he generally doesn't get bogged down in the types of interpersonal drama that a lot of people that are mired in that culture do (with some exceptions of course). I watch his content like a lot of people watch reality shows or lifetime special movies or TLC. It's trash entertainment. I'm not going to learn anything, but I'll be entertained for 10 minutes once a day.
As far as the subscribe to PewDiePie thing goes, it's a meme that's taken on a life of it's own. PewDiePie encourages it, even though he's admitted that he really doesn't care about the #1 spot. It was just a rivalry, something to talk about, and something to get his community engaged. At this point, people are taking it far, far more seriously than he is, and I doubt he continues to talk about it or promote it much in the future in light of recent events.
I'm curious if he got backlash or got even more popular after the massacre.
According to social blade there doesn't seem to be much of a change in views or subscriptions around March 15 (date of the shooting).
What sick world are we living? Killing people for attention.
It drives me mad. I just lost hope for the future.
i don't think this is especially new. i mean, on some level, i think all mass shooters, terrorists, and people who kill in general know they'll get attention for what they plan to do and for most of them it's part of what motivates them--it just happens the mosque shooter was terminally online and media savvy, and therefore happens to be a logical extreme of that particular motivation.
I understand and agree with you, but i can't help but think that maybe he wouldn't have done it if he didn't find that avenue. There were people giving him incentive.
We can never know for sure and it's useless, because insane people will be insane. But it makes me wonder...
Some people would still be alive.
It's the same with everything. Be it environmental impact, greed, attention. We did something wrong along the way.
Nah, George Bush jr. Just set up a system of education meant to neuter it. Those that make it through the gauntlet of 12 years of failing institutions and anxiety are rewarded with super expensive college. But wait, he changed the bankruptcy laws for college debt to make them debt slaves. So those that fall through the cracks with lack of funding vote republican out of fear, and those that make it to college vote republican out of conservative pull up your bootstraps ideology. Not 100% but getting closer everyday. The true goal is to bankrupt the money river of government in as few hands as possible.
Is it that much worse than killing people for saying that the earth is not flat or not buying a ticket for a bus? Or having wrong eye color?
I suggest you go find your hope for the future again, we may have people like these here and there, but never be fooled into thinking that we are not moving forward by these ones. Media tends to amplify every negative aspect ever, and you don't hear positive stuff too often.
Yeah, i know and agree. But all of them are bad.
Like i said in another reply. We did something wrong along the way. There's nothing but the chase for power.
Be it attention, money, power, greed... Any progress is driven by this.
Like global warming. Nobody will do anything if it doesn't fill their pockets.
The need for attention, money, power and greed is all in our nature. Just it is now amplified in our day-to-day life because of the mass media and social media...
It's just (mostly) a dumb meme that people know they can use to get attention for the otherwise-uninteresting thing that they're doing. 10 years ago, people would have made ransomware that told the victims to "Put Shoe On Head" instead of "Subscribe to PewDiePie".
Neither of these are actually ransomware creators, they're just people with a little bit of programming knowledge that saw a way to get some attention.
How did we get this far? Bring back the old plain html days with under construction gifs please...
As both a pewdiepie fan and a muslim. It saddens me how much the media has been following what the shooter wanted to happen. Now people be calling pewdiepie a nazi and if you defend him you're also somehow nazi? This really sickens me and I hope god punishes the shooter in barzakh and hell.
to be fair, this criticism might have a little bit less weight if pewdiepie didn't casually endorse people who very openly talk about how to redpill people on the (((jewish question))), casually and repeatedly drop racial slurs during "heated gaming moments", hang out with far-right and alt-right figures on a not infrequent basis, and other things of that nature. i don't think he's a nazi, but he's really not made an effort to distance himself from people who genuinely and openly are (or stop acting a way that would suggest he is bigoted in some way), and you can't really be surprised if people then infer you either are sympathetic to their views or subscribe to them yourself if you do that!
Yeah, I agree with your statement but I want to add that not every person he hangs out with is an alt right figure so i believe accusing him of being alt right just because out of the many people he hangs with, an insignificant amount is alt right, shouldn't be valid.
Also, about him saying the n-word, there are more extreme shit people say while gaming and people who accuses him of racism may just not be familiar with gaming toxicity and how people will spit anything that's offensive during a "heated gaming moment"
It is still racist. Being in a "heated gaming moment" is not an excuse. I grew up with videogames, played online and never did this.
Giving a pass just because it's in the heat of the moment is how abuse happens. It's not gaming toxicity, it's people.
If you say racist things, you are being racist.
Exactly this. I grew up with an NES and then most other consoles and pc games (my first games had to be opened in DOS rather than windows). My kids play games online now and the toxic behavior is definitely not just a “part of gaming.” I’ve pulled my son’s headset off his head to lay into his friends a couple different times when I hear them start using derogatory slurs. They all know that I don’t care if they curse or tease each other, but as soon as it crosses into bigotry or hate speech, I end it. One of the kids (who incidentally watches the most YouTube) was by far the worst offender. For him, it was just a part of the gaming culture and didn’t mean anything. Once him and his mom were racially abused in Walmart, it finally clicked for him. It sucks that the abuse was what finally changed his mindset, but when these kids are exposed to so much toxicity it becomes normal for them.
So saying the n-word ONCE automatically makes you a racist? If by that logic, calling someone a girl a bitch once makes you a misogynist? Calling someone retarded is ableist?
I'm not saying that saying shouldn't be wrong but calling him a racist just for saying the n-word ONCE is too far a stretch.
It's in bad taste and he should apologise for it? Yes and he did.
But automatically labelling him a racist? No, it's too quick to call him a racist just for saying it one time.
i mean... yeah? calling a woman a "bitch" is generally considered misogynistic, calling someone "retarded" is generally considered ableist, and calling someone a "nigger" for killing you in a video game is generally considered racist.
well, it's a good thing he almost did it multiple times after doing it on stream once, suggesting it's not a one off! to say nothing of course of the aforementioned hanging out with people who talk about the JQ and who are actual nazis, alt-righers, etc. there's a case to be made that yes, he'd be racist even if he only said "nigger" once--but it's a moot point, because there's a bit more substance to the criticism than just that heated gaming moment.
Fair enough. While I still don't agree with your viewpoint, i can understand now how you would come to this conclusion. I guess we have to agree to disagree.
I doubt he said that only once in his life. Like you said, it's normal behaviour in a heated game moment so it is not just one time.
But yeah, doing that makes him a racist for me.
You can doubt however you want but for now as far as we know, he only said once. Plus, there's lots of slurs people say in a "heated gaming moment" and the n-word is just one of many especially with the whole n-word meme around that time.
Still racist to me.
They say that it takes the heat of stress to expose a person's true character. It's not like video games are built with subliminal messages telling you to scream out the n-word.
I honestly don't understand why people play games with voice chat. 99 times out of 100 it's completely useless, even in squad based games. Why do people submit to being screamed at by children and others of similar temperament?
I think there is still a world of difference between accidentally letting something slip and then apologising and actively sharing racist messages.
I understand and agree. That being said, an entertainer has a public and a private persona, and the world at large is not privy to the private one.
On the other hand, at least he isn't actively trying to spread racist messages. PewDiePie isn't the devil, he's just one of hundreds of annoying YouTubers who happens to be popular, many of which are much worse than him.
I understand what you're trying to point out but you need to understand that he's an entertainer that does a lot of edgy jokes and the n-word being taboo exactly fits the edgy humor gig.
People got offended so he apologized. He didn't just brush it off.
On a side note, there are instances of meaningful interactions in voice chat and I think it varies upon which game you play and the servers you play on.
This makes no sense. A person doesn't have to interact with only alt-right people to be seen as alt-right themself. The fact that a large number of the people he's friendly with are alt-right is enough evidence. He never calls out their hateful behavior and sheds positive lights on these people, which is a tacit endorsement of their views.
Ok how about you make a list of his close friends first? Is Brad alt-right? Mr. Beast? Ken? As I said, the alt-righters associated with him are insignificant considering the amount of other people in his clique.
Plus you can be friends with people of different views and not everyone is willing to risk a fight with someone just because of differing viewpoints.