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Opera introduces web browser designed for gamers

29 comments

  1. [7]
    teaearlgraycold
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    The inclusion of a free VPN is spooky. They say no logs, but if it's free you're the product.

    The inclusion of a free VPN is spooky. They say no logs, but if it's free you're the product.

    22 votes
    1. [2]
      Grzmot
      Link Parent
      Opera is owned by a Chinese consortium, they're definitely getting all that sweet sweet data.

      Opera is owned by a Chinese consortium, they're definitely getting all that sweet sweet data.

      20 votes
    2. [4]
      cfabbro
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      Sure, that's a general truism, but I wouldn't go so far as to accuse Opera of lying about not keeping logs without any evidence, especially since I get the distinct impression that they are...

      They say no logs, but if it's free you're the product.

      Sure, that's a general truism, but I wouldn't go so far as to accuse Opera of lying about not keeping logs without any evidence, especially since I get the distinct impression that they are treating the "free VPN" (technically just a proxy) as a loss leader. They may lose money on that particular aspect of their business, but since it gets more people to use their browser, it ultimately makes them more money elsewhere, e.g. their licensing, advertising and search engine deals, which is where the majority of their revenue comes from:

      In 2017, our top two largest business partners in aggregate contributed approximately 56.1% of our operating revenue, with Google and Yandex accounting for 43.2% and 12.9% of our operating revenue, respectively.”

      The rest is ads and licensing deals. You may have noticed that Opera’s speed dial is pre-populated with websites by default, such as Booking.com or eBay. Those are advertising partners. Some phone manufacturers and telecom companies also pre-install Opera browsers on their devices. The company is getting some revenue from that too.

      Another thing to keep in mind is that Opera Software AS is a Norwegian company, and SurfEasy (the VPN they acquired a few years ago to offer this new service) is a Canadian company. And while I can't speak to Norwegian laws, since I don't live there, I do know that Canada has pretty reasonable consumer protection, truth in advertising, and privacy laws... so I doubt Opera and SurfEasy would straight up lie about not logging your traffic data, as that would open them up to all sorts of potential lawsuits, and privacy commissioner fines for violating the Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act.

      16 votes
      1. skybrian
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        The "you're the product" meme grates for me too, but on second thought I think it should be read as "I don't know anything in particular but I am suspicious of free stuff." We probably should be...

        The "you're the product" meme grates for me too, but on second thought I think it should be read as "I don't know anything in particular but I am suspicious of free stuff."

        We probably should be more suspicious of free stuff and either investigate it or avoid it. This doesn't need to be seen as a specific accusation but rather as general wariness of strangers. Do we put too much trust in brand names? Probably.

        We should probably be wary of purchases too, though. Lots of low-security electronics are being sold, not to mention counterfeits.

        Unfortunately this leaves us being suspicious of everything. Maybe we should have more sympathy for people who trust brands, for lack of alternatives? It's unclear how as consumers we can make informed decisions when we know so little about the supply chains we rely on and many of the things we are worried about are invisible.

        12 votes
      2. teaearlgraycold
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        Aggregating data and tossing out exact connection logs would technically be "no log" IMO. Each VPN user could have a hidden profile out there.

        Aggregating data and tossing out exact connection logs would technically be "no log" IMO. Each VPN user could have a hidden profile out there.

      3. mrbig
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        I dislike most applications of the word "truism". It is frequently used to end a discussion that requires more nuance than it seems. There are many situations in which obvious statements are not...

        that's a general truism

        I dislike most applications of the word "truism". It is frequently used to end a discussion that requires more nuance than it seems. There are many situations in which obvious statements are not only useful but required.

        I'm not saying this is necessarily the case here.

  2. [12]
    mrbig
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    Some features would be nice even for a regular browser, such as: native ad-blocker easier native theming easier video pop-out bandwidth limits Resource usage limits (2 and 3 probably doesn't help...

    Some features would be nice even for a regular browser, such as:

    1. native ad-blocker
    2. easier native theming
    3. easier video pop-out
    4. bandwidth limits
    5. Resource usage limits (2 and 3 probably doesn't help with that)
    6. integrated messengers (especially if they come with a bunch of keybindings - they probably won't)

    But I can't think of any situation where browser sound effects would be a plus, and I doubt GX Corner will see widespread use. To be frank, even with some interesting features, few people would give up the support and flexibility of Chrome or Firefox for a specialized browser. Unless it's bundled with something like Steam.

    Also: I'm on Linux and the download button serves me a Windows exe.

    7 votes
    1. [8]
      NaraVara
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      Seriously. I want all these features without the 1337 g4m3r design language.

      Seriously. I want all these features without the 1337 g4m3r design language.

      11 votes
      1. rmgr
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        Obviously I'm just not the target audience but when things are marketed as "Gamer (x)" I sort of instinctively turn off.

        Obviously I'm just not the target audience but when things are marketed as "Gamer (x)" I sort of instinctively turn off.

        9 votes
      2. [3]
        Grzmot
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        The regular Opera browser has most of these features, except for the bandwith/resource limits and the Twitch integration.

        The regular Opera browser has most of these features, except for the bandwith/resource limits and the Twitch integration.

        7 votes
        1. [2]
          NaraVara
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          The bandwidth limits would be great. I’d love to designate certain sites on a whitelist where they’re allowed to hog RAM (media streaming, mostly) and force everyone else to make do. Too much...

          The bandwidth limits would be great. I’d love to designate certain sites on a whitelist where they’re allowed to hog RAM (media streaming, mostly) and force everyone else to make do. Too much scripted up nonsense on the web today.

          3 votes
          1. Keegan
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            Using uMatrix has mostly solved this for me. It really makes sites load so much faster when they don't need to load 60 different scripts from random sites to add a share link. At first it seems...

            Too much scripted up nonsense on the web today.

            Using uMatrix has mostly solved this for me. It really makes sites load so much faster when they don't need to load 60 different scripts from random sites to add a share link. At first it seems confusing, but after the first hour of use you'll get used to it, and as you save your settings for sites it will become seamless with no hassle.

            It hurts now to use a browser without it installed.

            1 vote
      3. [3]
        nothis
        Link Parent
        Same with laptop hardware, lol.

        Seriously. I want all these features without the 1337 g4m3r design language.

        Same with laptop hardware, lol.

        1 vote
        1. [2]
          Keegan
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          Basically all computer components are getting hard to find without "gamer" slapped all over it.

          Basically all computer components are getting hard to find without "gamer" slapped all over it.

          1 vote
          1. ducc
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            For sure. When I upgraded my build to ryzen a couple years ago, it was impossible to find an am4 x370 board without RGB. I had to settle on the MSI Gaming Pro Carbon.

            For sure. When I upgraded my build to ryzen a couple years ago, it was impossible to find an am4 x370 board without RGB. I had to settle on the MSI Gaming Pro Carbon.

            1 vote
    2. [2]
      Keegan
      Link Parent
      Yeah those features you listed seem nice and convenient. Most browsers can do those things, they just need add-ons for it. (Or in the case of Firefox, I'm pretty sure you can limit bandwidth in...

      Yeah those features you listed seem nice and convenient. Most browsers can do those things, they just need add-ons for it. (Or in the case of Firefox, I'm pretty sure you can limit bandwidth in developer console, but I don't know if it persists across different sites.) Convenience is really the selling point here. I understand the lack of Linux support though. I doubt many Linux users would want to use this.


      Experience greater privacy and security with our free, no-log, unlimited browser VPN.

      I find this statement unlikely to be fact.

      1 vote
      1. KapteinB
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        It's also "early access". Hopefully they'll release Mac and Linux versions once it's a finished product, but I understand why they would focus on a single platform at this stage.

        I understand the lack of Linux support though. I doubt many Linux users would want to use this.

        It's also "early access". Hopefully they'll release Mac and Linux versions once it's a finished product, but I understand why they would focus on a single platform at this stage.

        1 vote
    3. JustABanana
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      It's only avaliable for windows and Mac

      It's only avaliable for windows and Mac

  3. [5]
    Grzmot
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    At first I laughed but in all honesty, it doesn't seem that bad? Like regular Opera, it's based on Chromium, which has its upsides and downsides, but most importantly that any Chrome addon is...

    At first I laughed but in all honesty, it doesn't seem that bad?

    Like regular Opera, it's based on Chromium, which has its upsides and downsides, but most importantly that any Chrome addon is gonna work here as well. This means RES, uBlock Origin, etc. all that good stuff.

    I honestly dig the design. It's not the typical gam3r look, it's just nice deep black with an accent colour you can pick.

    I like the functions like integrated messengers/Twitch, even though I probably wouldn't use them that much (Signal ftw!). The fact that you can limit resource usage is also very nice, although it'd probably only be useful for budget gamers or people on a slow connection.

    The only really sketchy thing is the VPN. Either they're banking on it being free and later they'll introduce a paid tier, or they'll collect your data. Probably the latter, as Opera was sold to a Chinese company in 2015.

    7 votes
    1. [4]
      KapteinB
      Link Parent
      Not necessarily. If their cost from providing a user free VPN is lower than their income from providing that user a pre-installed search engine and bookmarks, it might be worth giving it away no...

      The only really sketchy thing is the VPN. Either they're banking on it being free and later they'll introduce a paid tier, or they'll collect your data. Probably the latter, as Opera was sold to a Chinese company in 2015.

      Not necessarily. If their cost from providing a user free VPN is lower than their income from providing that user a pre-installed search engine and bookmarks, it might be worth giving it away no strings attached to attract more users.

      2 votes
      1. [3]
        Grzmot
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        They can do both. And I will never trust a Chinese-owned firm with my data, as every Chinese company is under the thumb of the CCP.

        They can do both. And I will never trust a Chinese-owned firm with my data, as every Chinese company is under the thumb of the CCP.

        4 votes
        1. [2]
          frostycakes
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          Unless you're in China, what good does the CCP get from your personal data? I'd rather them have it than a company under US jurisdiction, since I actually live in the US and can face repercussions...

          Unless you're in China, what good does the CCP get from your personal data? I'd rather them have it than a company under US jurisdiction, since I actually live in the US and can face repercussions here, whereas the CCP can't do shit to me here.

          Obviously business data is a different beast entirely, and there I feel the mistrust of Chinese companies is much more applicable to those of us in the West.

          2 votes
          1. Grzmot
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            Probably the same reason the NSA collects everyone's data like crazy: Cause of some internal reasoning ultimately they only know. All we know is that they definitely do it though (thanks,...

            Probably the same reason the NSA collects everyone's data like crazy: Cause of some internal reasoning ultimately they only know. All we know is that they definitely do it though (thanks, Snowden).

            Sure, the CCP can't hurt you right now. Data doesn't decay, it stays on properly stored HDDs forever. Political climates change.

            Would you give a stranger the key to your house, even if it's illegal for them to enter withour your consent, solely relying on the police to keep you safe? Probably not, so why do the same with your data?

            3 votes
  4. [3]
    MimicSquid
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    Huh. I went into this assuming it was going to be shit, but it actually has a bit of appeal. I'm not hardcore enough to need most of those features, but I can see the use for a specific sort of...

    Huh. I went into this assuming it was going to be shit, but it actually has a bit of appeal. I'm not hardcore enough to need most of those features, but I can see the use for a specific sort of person.

    6 votes
    1. TheJorro
      Link Parent
      After playing around with it, it really seems like a browser built for home theatre PC use as opposed to regular PC use. A lot of the features here remind me of Steam Big Picture. Additionally,...

      After playing around with it, it really seems like a browser built for home theatre PC use as opposed to regular PC use. A lot of the features here remind me of Steam Big Picture.

      Additionally, this is the first browser I've noticed where it lets you use your desktop wallpaper as the New Tab background and that's actually pretty neat.

      5 votes
    2. Keegan
      Link Parent
      Yeah for someone who just want something to be simple to use and understand, and just WORK, without having to go digging into settings or find the perfect extensions, it really does have a decent...

      Yeah for someone who just want something to be simple to use and understand, and just WORK, without having to go digging into settings or find the perfect extensions, it really does have a decent use case.

      3 votes
  5. [2]
    Keegan
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    Off topic, but did this site annoy anybody else? The URL changed frequently after scrolling past each anchor point, meaning that navigating backwards on mobile was literal hell of mashing the back...

    Off topic, but did this site annoy anybody else? The URL changed frequently after scrolling past each anchor point, meaning that navigating backwards on mobile was literal hell of mashing the back button. I've noticed this behavior more often lately with different sites. Pretty annoying design.

    9 votes
    1. HoolaBoola
      Link Parent
      Holy shit, yeah. For me it didn't even allow going back, just an endless loop of anchor points. Ended up having to close the tab and switch to another tildes tab

      Holy shit, yeah. For me it didn't even allow going back, just an endless loop of anchor points. Ended up having to close the tab and switch to another tildes tab

      5 votes