I'll say something that's apparently unpopular in many circles: It's only fair that you pay for the service you're using and have your own account in line with their terms and conditions. The...
I'll say something that's apparently unpopular in many circles:
It's only fair that you pay for the service you're using and have your own account in line with their terms and conditions.
The sense of entitlement that everything digital should be free is something corporations have (sometimes inadvertently) furthered for years and years. Sure, they're reaping what they sow since people have become accustomed to expecting a bunch of valuable content for cheap or free.
Content creators need to get paid to create new works. I want good content, so I pay for it.
Netflix etc. are extremely cheap per hour of content you get from them.
This really have nothing to do with entitlement. We pay for the priciest Netflix subscription because it allows for everyone in the family to watch it from anywhere. I am paying for this...
This really have nothing to do with entitlement. We pay for the priciest Netflix subscription because it allows for everyone in the family to watch it from anywhere. I am paying for this bandwidth. If I suddenly cannot do that anymore, I will reconsider my membership. I'm a paying customer and I will only pay for a product I deem worthy. That's a calculation everyone has to do. And it is within my right to reject changes I consider unacceptable. Again, this has nothing to do with entitlement. We're just consumers looking for the better deal.
People think I'm crazy when I tell them I actually pay for Youtube Premium. I've always said I would prefer a subscription versus advertisements, and I would consider myself hypocritical if I...
People think I'm crazy when I tell them I actually pay for Youtube Premium. I've always said I would prefer a subscription versus advertisements, and I would consider myself hypocritical if I didn't put my money where my mouth is.
Yeah. Paying for YouTube feels icky because we've had it for free for so long. It took me a while to come around, but honestly… I'm glad I can pay for it, help it remain a free service for those...
Yeah. Paying for YouTube feels icky because we've had it for free for so long. It took me a while to come around, but honestly… I'm glad I can pay for it, help it remain a free service for those that need it, and also it does increase quality of life on YT. It is, after all, one of the highest value-add websites in my life, personally.
The only shitty thing is, watching videos in incognito mode is atrocious.
It doesn't feel icky because it's been free, it feels icky because I feel like I'm providing monetary support to all the conspiracy theorists and right-wing propagandists and weirdos that target...
It doesn't feel icky because it's been free, it feels icky because I feel like I'm providing monetary support to all the conspiracy theorists and right-wing propagandists and weirdos that target kids (Logan Paul, etc.)
If I had a say in what content I supported then I'd be all for it, but YouTube does a pretty poor job of policing its content and I don't want to subsidize that.
Very fair point. Though as @Weldawadyathink mentioned, premium money is redistributed based on watch time, so if you don't watch right-wing conspiracy theorists you should be ok.
Very fair point. Though as @Weldawadyathink mentioned, premium money is redistributed based on watch time, so if you don't watch right-wing conspiracy theorists you should be ok.
One important note, however, is that the money is pooled before it is distributed. Let’s say we have 2 subscribers contributing $5/month. One person watches YouTuber A for 1 hour. The other person...
One important note, however, is that the money is pooled before it is distributed.
Let’s say we have 2 subscribers contributing $5/month. One person watches YouTuber A for 1 hour. The other person watches youtuber B for 9 hours (just to keep the math simple).
How it should work: each youtuber gets $5, since each contributing viewer only watched one youtuber. If they watched more than one, their $5 would be split by their personal watch time
How it actually works: the money is pooled, so we have $10. Youtuber A has 1 hour of premium watch time, so gets $1. Youtuber B has 9 hours of premium watch time, so gets $9.
This arrangement is stupid, and they should change it. However, it is still worth it for me. I do share the price with 2 other people though.
Which means that by being a premium subscriber who doesn't watch propaganda content, you're actively taking away money from them by taking portion of watch time away from them, aren't you? I mean...
Which means that by being a premium subscriber who doesn't watch propaganda content, you're actively taking away money from them by taking portion of watch time away from them, aren't you?
I mean you're also adding money to the system so I have no idea what the math looks like for this.
No it means THEY take money from YOU and give it to the conspiracy poster if the conspiracy poster is getting more hours of viewership than whatever you're watching. I don't spend nearly enough...
No it means THEY take money from YOU and give it to the conspiracy poster if the conspiracy poster is getting more hours of viewership than whatever you're watching.
I don't spend nearly enough time on YouTube to out-watch the trash content. If I watch an hour a month and someone else watches 99 hours per month, our combined payments are pooled and split 99% to their content producer and 1% to mine.
Legitimately no ads on YouTube on all platforms. You can download videos for offline (or unstable internet) viewing. On android you can get PIP mode (not on iOS because google and Apple are in a...
Legitimately no ads on YouTube on all platforms. You can download videos for offline (or unstable internet) viewing. On android you can get PIP mode (not on iOS because google and Apple are in a fight). You can have background audio playback.
Possibly the best reason is supporting creators. By blocking ads normally, you remove support from the creators you watch. With YouTube premium, some of the money you pay is distributed among the creators you watch (technically, all YouTube premium money is pooled together, and then distributed to all creators pay proportion of premium watch time). For most creators, the money you provide them from premium in one month is greater than what they would make from ads from you over years. It really is a good way to provide support for creators you enjoy, especially if they don’t have a patreon or other platform.
Not the GP but no ads is the biggest benefit. But you also get access to YouTube Music. There's also a small amount of exclusive content but the fact that I can watch YouTube videos on my TV...
Not the GP but no ads is the biggest benefit. But you also get access to YouTube Music. There's also a small amount of exclusive content but the fact that I can watch YouTube videos on my TV without ads is a big plus.
Personally, my favorite benefit is background audio playing on android and iOS. There's a lot of podcast like YouTube videos who don't bother to provide an RSS audio stream, so it's very...
Personally, my favorite benefit is background audio playing on android and iOS. There's a lot of podcast like YouTube videos who don't bother to provide an RSS audio stream, so it's very convenient to not have to YouTube-dl it then move it to your local device.
No ads, of course. Premium viewers also give the content creators waaaay more money per person than watching ads would.
Shared between me and my family members we each pay for one or two services. Shared iCloud, shared Netflix, Amazon prime video, Disney plus, Spotify... if account sharing becomes impossible on any...
Shared between me and my family members we each pay for one or two services. Shared iCloud, shared Netflix, Amazon prime video, Disney plus, Spotify... if account sharing becomes impossible on any of those, there’s no way each of us signs up, instead We’d just cancel that service.
For me it’s all about convenience, however between all the possible streaming services and practically infinite content, there’s really no reason to further pay for a service just for one member.
Depending on how broad "family members" is this shouldn't change anything afaik. Netflix officially supports multiple people in your immediate household viewing - that's why profiles exist (so...
Shared between me and my family members we each pay for one or two services.
Depending on how broad "family members" is this shouldn't change anything afaik. Netflix officially supports multiple people in your immediate household viewing - that's why profiles exist (so people's recommendations don't mix + child accounts with parental controls) and why multiple simultaneous streams is a higher tier account feature.
What they're trying to crack down at is the process where a bunch of separate adults reuse the same account. They're probably going to check to what degree the account is accessed by wildly different geolocations repeatedly.
I've got an Amazon family account, and Amazon won't share purchased video titles between accounts. We did Christmas shopping earlier than normal last year, so I took a lot of the later shipping...
Shared between me and my family members [...] Amazon prime video
I've got an Amazon family account, and Amazon won't share purchased video titles between accounts. We did Christmas shopping earlier than normal last year, so I took a lot of the later shipping dates in exchange for a credit towards video purchases. The whole reason we got the family account was so we could have separate logins so Christmas and birthday surprises aren't spoiled.
Well the credit is only on my account, for purchases I made, so I bought a movie for the kids, and then that movie is only on my account, with no way to access it short of logging my wife out and then logging myself in. Super, super irritating.
My family shares a kindle account - so my solution is to buy the kindle book as a gift using credits on my account, and then send that to the kindle account. I'm not sure if the same can be done...
My family shares a kindle account - so my solution is to buy the kindle book as a gift using credits on my account, and then send that to the kindle account. I'm not sure if the same can be done for movies, but it might be worth looking into.
Yeah I still leech of my parent’s Netflix account, in the years Netflix has probably become our least viewed service so if we lose access we’re not likely to pursue our own account. Between...
Yeah I still leech of my parent’s Netflix account, in the years Netflix has probably become our least viewed service so if we lose access we’re not likely to pursue our own account.
Between Funimation, Hulu, HBO, Disney+, and Youtube there’s already more content than we can watch and any of these services being made less accessible or expensive just makes our budgeting easier as we drop them. I already have a Plex account loaded with content as well.
Like cable these services are just going to price people away for whatever alternatives come up.
Disney+ was a steal at $140/3 years. Are we going to be paying for it in 10 years time when it’s $50/m? Not bloody likely!
Hulu already is doing something like this if you have their tv subscription which basically is just to tell you to go fuck yourself. Despite having multiple users under the account, while we had...
Hulu already is doing something like this if you have their tv subscription which basically is just to tell you to go fuck yourself. Despite having multiple users under the account, while we had the live tv package we had to set a home location and if anyone tried to access the account from not the home location it wouldn't let you watch hulu period. Maybe there are ways around it but I just said fuck it and cancelled the live tv package and went back to streams to watch sports.
Yes I hate this, but my SO demands to have access to some sort of live TV. I can’t wait until she gets over it so I can cancel that garbage. $70 a month and it’s inconvenient to use and you still...
Yes I hate this, but my SO demands to have access to some sort of live TV. I can’t wait until she gets over it so I can cancel that garbage.
$70 a month and it’s inconvenient to use and you still have to watch endless ads? Wow where do I sign?!?! /s Ugh.
The value prop for live TV is just such trash I don’t get it.
Netflix could use your IDFV and/or AAID associated with the most usage to set the primary user and devices. No need to rely on flippant IP address assignment. I assume they’ve trained a model over...
Netflix could use your IDFV and/or AAID associated with the most usage to set the primary user and devices. No need to rely on flippant IP address assignment.
I assume they’ve trained a model over months of historical usage data and now they’re looking to see any changes in behavior to help them flag the moochers.
MAC addresses are hardware assigned and immutable, so they’ve been seen as a privacy-invasive identifier. Device Ad IDs (IDFA / AAID) can be reset and opted-out from, however the average user...
MAC addresses are hardware assigned and immutable, so they’ve been seen as a privacy-invasive identifier.
Device Ad IDs (IDFA / AAID) can be reset and opted-out from, however the average user likely doesn’t change outside of the default settings (which is now opt-in with iOS 14.5).
I'm kind of hoping they don't end up doing this, but it seems more straightforward if they would just bill you based on simultanious viewers so that it's closer to a per-person subscription. They...
I'm kind of hoping they don't end up doing this, but it seems more straightforward if they would just bill you based on simultanious viewers so that it's closer to a per-person subscription. They basically already are (I had to upgrade my account about a year ago), but they could get more money out of subscribers by further restricting it.
I'll say something that's apparently unpopular in many circles:
It's only fair that you pay for the service you're using and have your own account in line with their terms and conditions.
The sense of entitlement that everything digital should be free is something corporations have (sometimes inadvertently) furthered for years and years. Sure, they're reaping what they sow since people have become accustomed to expecting a bunch of valuable content for cheap or free.
Content creators need to get paid to create new works. I want good content, so I pay for it.
Netflix etc. are extremely cheap per hour of content you get from them.
This really have nothing to do with entitlement. We pay for the priciest Netflix subscription because it allows for everyone in the family to watch it from anywhere. I am paying for this bandwidth. If I suddenly cannot do that anymore, I will reconsider my membership. I'm a paying customer and I will only pay for a product I deem worthy. That's a calculation everyone has to do. And it is within my right to reject changes I consider unacceptable. Again, this has nothing to do with entitlement. We're just consumers looking for the better deal.
People think I'm crazy when I tell them I actually pay for Youtube Premium. I've always said I would prefer a subscription versus advertisements, and I would consider myself hypocritical if I didn't put my money where my mouth is.
Yeah. Paying for YouTube feels icky because we've had it for free for so long. It took me a while to come around, but honestly… I'm glad I can pay for it, help it remain a free service for those that need it, and also it does increase quality of life on YT. It is, after all, one of the highest value-add websites in my life, personally.
The only shitty thing is, watching videos in incognito mode is atrocious.
It doesn't feel icky because it's been free, it feels icky because I feel like I'm providing monetary support to all the conspiracy theorists and right-wing propagandists and weirdos that target kids (Logan Paul, etc.)
If I had a say in what content I supported then I'd be all for it, but YouTube does a pretty poor job of policing its content and I don't want to subsidize that.
Very fair point. Though as @Weldawadyathink mentioned, premium money is redistributed based on watch time, so if you don't watch right-wing conspiracy theorists you should be ok.
One important note, however, is that the money is pooled before it is distributed.
Let’s say we have 2 subscribers contributing $5/month. One person watches YouTuber A for 1 hour. The other person watches youtuber B for 9 hours (just to keep the math simple).
How it should work: each youtuber gets $5, since each contributing viewer only watched one youtuber. If they watched more than one, their $5 would be split by their personal watch time
How it actually works: the money is pooled, so we have $10. Youtuber A has 1 hour of premium watch time, so gets $1. Youtuber B has 9 hours of premium watch time, so gets $9.
This arrangement is stupid, and they should change it. However, it is still worth it for me. I do share the price with 2 other people though.
Which means that by being a premium subscriber who doesn't watch propaganda content, you're actively taking away money from them by taking portion of watch time away from them, aren't you?
I mean you're also adding money to the system so I have no idea what the math looks like for this.
No it means THEY take money from YOU and give it to the conspiracy poster if the conspiracy poster is getting more hours of viewership than whatever you're watching.
I don't spend nearly enough time on YouTube to out-watch the trash content. If I watch an hour a month and someone else watches 99 hours per month, our combined payments are pooled and split 99% to their content producer and 1% to mine.
Legitimately no ads on YouTube on all platforms. You can download videos for offline (or unstable internet) viewing. On android you can get PIP mode (not on iOS because google and Apple are in a fight). You can have background audio playback.
Possibly the best reason is supporting creators. By blocking ads normally, you remove support from the creators you watch. With YouTube premium, some of the money you pay is distributed among the creators you watch (technically, all YouTube premium money is pooled together, and then distributed to all creators pay proportion of premium watch time). For most creators, the money you provide them from premium in one month is greater than what they would make from ads from you over years. It really is a good way to provide support for creators you enjoy, especially if they don’t have a patreon or other platform.
Not the GP but no ads is the biggest benefit. But you also get access to YouTube Music. There's also a small amount of exclusive content but the fact that I can watch YouTube videos on my TV without ads is a big plus.
Personally, my favorite benefit is background audio playing on android and iOS. There's a lot of podcast like YouTube videos who don't bother to provide an RSS audio stream, so it's very convenient to not have to YouTube-dl it then move it to your local device.
No ads, of course. Premium viewers also give the content creators waaaay more money per person than watching ads would.
I would buy Youtube Premium in a heartbeat if they had a slightly cheaper option that excluded music.
I would too. The bundling of Internet services is very Cable Television 2.0.
YouTube without ads is just wonderful. We have Premium too.
Shared between me and my family members we each pay for one or two services. Shared iCloud, shared Netflix, Amazon prime video, Disney plus, Spotify... if account sharing becomes impossible on any of those, there’s no way each of us signs up, instead We’d just cancel that service.
For me it’s all about convenience, however between all the possible streaming services and practically infinite content, there’s really no reason to further pay for a service just for one member.
Depending on how broad "family members" is this shouldn't change anything afaik. Netflix officially supports multiple people in your immediate household viewing - that's why profiles exist (so people's recommendations don't mix + child accounts with parental controls) and why multiple simultaneous streams is a higher tier account feature.
What they're trying to crack down at is the process where a bunch of separate adults reuse the same account. They're probably going to check to what degree the account is accessed by wildly different geolocations repeatedly.
I've got an Amazon family account, and Amazon won't share purchased video titles between accounts. We did Christmas shopping earlier than normal last year, so I took a lot of the later shipping dates in exchange for a credit towards video purchases. The whole reason we got the family account was so we could have separate logins so Christmas and birthday surprises aren't spoiled.
Well the credit is only on my account, for purchases I made, so I bought a movie for the kids, and then that movie is only on my account, with no way to access it short of logging my wife out and then logging myself in. Super, super irritating.
My family shares a kindle account - so my solution is to buy the kindle book as a gift using credits on my account, and then send that to the kindle account. I'm not sure if the same can be done for movies, but it might be worth looking into.
Yeah I think you can transfer book titles but not video purchases. When I go to "Manage my content" or whatever the only stuff there is ebook content.
Ahhh, yeah. A quick google search leads me to believe that you can't gift instant videos =(
Yeah I still leech of my parent’s Netflix account, in the years Netflix has probably become our least viewed service so if we lose access we’re not likely to pursue our own account.
Between Funimation, Hulu, HBO, Disney+, and Youtube there’s already more content than we can watch and any of these services being made less accessible or expensive just makes our budgeting easier as we drop them. I already have a Plex account loaded with content as well.
Like cable these services are just going to price people away for whatever alternatives come up.
Disney+ was a steal at $140/3 years. Are we going to be paying for it in 10 years time when it’s $50/m? Not bloody likely!
I guess the easy solution is an email forwarding thing that shares the code with the people you share it with.
Is it? I assumed that Netflix can detect it by testing the IP of each sign-in... though maybe not. Hm
They can but I imagine mobile use complicates that a lot. Even just laptops you could be visiting friends/relatives and on their wifi.
Hulu already is doing something like this if you have their tv subscription which basically is just to tell you to go fuck yourself. Despite having multiple users under the account, while we had the live tv package we had to set a home location and if anyone tried to access the account from not the home location it wouldn't let you watch hulu period. Maybe there are ways around it but I just said fuck it and cancelled the live tv package and went back to streams to watch sports.
Yes I hate this, but my SO demands to have access to some sort of live TV. I can’t wait until she gets over it so I can cancel that garbage.
$70 a month and it’s inconvenient to use and you still have to watch endless ads? Wow where do I sign?!?! /s Ugh.
The value prop for live TV is just such trash I don’t get it.
Netflix could use your IDFV and/or AAID associated with the most usage to set the primary user and devices. No need to rely on flippant IP address assignment.
I assume they’ve trained a model over months of historical usage data and now they’re looking to see any changes in behavior to help them flag the moochers.
Ooh, yeah, I'm guessing that's like MAC addressing? I don't know much about computer addressing, lol.
MAC addresses are hardware assigned and immutable, so they’ve been seen as a privacy-invasive identifier.
Device Ad IDs (IDFA / AAID) can be reset and opted-out from, however the average user likely doesn’t change outside of the default settings (which is now opt-in with iOS 14.5).
ooooh. looks like i have some reading to do :)
I'm kind of hoping they don't end up doing this, but it seems more straightforward if they would just bill you based on simultanious viewers so that it's closer to a per-person subscription. They basically already are (I had to upgrade my account about a year ago), but they could get more money out of subscribers by further restricting it.