17 votes

Is Tildes considered to be an exclusive community?

Exclusive in the sense that its members desire to have the 'best of the best' user base (I understand that is subjective). I've seen comments that @Deimos is considering capping the amount of users here. I believe, if my memory is correct, that the cap was around 40,000 users.

Maybe analogous to a Harvard final club?

42 comments

  1. [2]
    NaraVara
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    I'd say there is exclusivity, but I don't think of it in the sense that the goal is to have the "best of the best" as a user base (whatever that means). The emphasis is more on having a community...

    I'd say there is exclusivity, but I don't think of it in the sense that the goal is to have the "best of the best" as a user base (whatever that means). The emphasis is more on having a community with certain shared norms and values around engaging in productive discussions on substantive topics rather than having it be a free-for-all full of memes, shitposting, and willful trolling.

    So that's a pretty open door policy really. Whatever "exclusivity" there is would largely come from naturally filtering out people who would want to find and post viral or low-effort content.

    19 votes
    1. cloud_loud
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      Essentially like r/TrueReddit or a more left-wing Hacker News. Though there is a broad consensus of leftism/liberalism here. I think there’s a few factions within this community determined by...

      Essentially like r/TrueReddit or a more left-wing Hacker News.

      Though there is a broad consensus of leftism/liberalism here. I think there’s a few factions within this community determined by different levels of “wokeness.”

      5 votes
  2. [11]
    Loire
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    As much as I enjoy the user base here I would not consider most of us "the best of the best". I'm certainly not. I don't think exclusivety is part of the plan. It's about the environment not so...

    As much as I enjoy the user base here I would not consider most of us "the best of the best". I'm certainly not. I don't think exclusivety is part of the plan.

    It's about the environment not so much the people.

    17 votes
    1. [5]
      corleone
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      A group of "the best" might be a great thing, as long as they didn't consider themselves to be the best. I probably wouldn't find them very good company otherwise.

      A group of "the best" might be a great thing, as long as they didn't consider themselves to be the best. I probably wouldn't find them very good company otherwise.

      2 votes
      1. Protected
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        Don't worry, you're in good company: While I'm pretty awesome, the rest of you... meh.

        Don't worry, you're in good company: While I'm pretty awesome, the rest of you... meh.

        4 votes
      2. [3]
        suspended
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        Hahaha. Humility then?

        Hahaha. Humility then?

        1. [2]
          corleone
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          Yes of course. What would anyone be without humility?

          Yes of course. What would anyone be without humility?

    2. [5]
      suspended
      Link Parent
      OK. So, could you elaborate more about what you mean here?

      It's about the environment

      OK. So, could you elaborate more about what you mean here?

      1. Loire
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        We as a species tend to conform to our environment. This occurs in the digital realm as it does in the physical. When we post on Reddit or twitter regularly we conform to the types of action that...

        We as a species tend to conform to our environment. This occurs in the digital realm as it does in the physical. When we post on Reddit or twitter regularly we conform to the types of action that provide the most positive feedback. On Reddit this may be a meaningless joke as the top post, or posting a completely ill informed reply that meets the cultures approval. This can go well beyond the members of that environment as the development team behind it guides their users in various directions for numerous, largely corporate, reasons.

        The environment in which we interacts matters. It informs our decision making process before we begin typing. Tildes hasn't somehow exclusively invited premium users, but the design principles and philosophy put forth by Deimos, enforced by the community, fosters an environment in which the replies are usually a little longer, a little more thought out, a little less reactive, and maybe a little less driven by likes/shares/karma.

        11 votes
      2. [3]
        vord
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        I'd say the biggest factor contributing to the general quality of tildes is the smaller user base due to invite-only nature. There are many UI choices that also help (I think the new-comment box...

        I'd say the biggest factor contributing to the general quality of tildes is the smaller user base due to invite-only nature.

        There are many UI choices that also help (I think the new-comment box on the bottom of the page helps tremendously).

        The userbase is otherwise a mostly self-selecting population from at least somewhat privacy-conscious people, which sadly skews heavily into the white-male-techy. Not inherently bad, but definitely does not foster diversity.

        6 votes
        1. [2]
          NaraVara
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          I don't know how much of the skew comes from privacy consciousness, I think it's probably like 70% "founder effects" (and feedback loops deriving from them) and 30% everything else.

          I don't know how much of the skew comes from privacy consciousness, I think it's probably like 70% "founder effects" (and feedback loops deriving from them) and 30% everything else.

          2 votes
          1. vord
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            I feel like you're describing the mechanism about how that came to be. The initial 70% self-selected from a pool that is (more) privacy-conscious.

            I feel like you're describing the mechanism about how that came to be. The initial 70% self-selected from a pool that is (more) privacy-conscious.

            1 vote
  3. corleone
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    Right now anyone that wishes to be here will get an invite. In addition, every user has more invites to give out than they probably need. So I would say no.

    Right now anyone that wishes to be here will get an invite. In addition, every user has more invites to give out than they probably need. So I would say no.

    10 votes
  4. [2]
    Arshan
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    I like that tildes is small and I would prefer that it stay that way. However, I don't like the idea of calling it exclusive, that term has a lot of gross conotations for me. I prefer to think of...

    I like that tildes is small and I would prefer that it stay that way. However, I don't like the idea of calling it exclusive, that term has a lot of gross conotations for me. I prefer to think of tildes as more like a little local club where all are welcome, but by its very nature won't become a monster organization.

    8 votes
    1. FirstTiger
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      I would agree, Tildes has the feeling of something like a local social club, where all the members are degrees of friends of friends. It helps that the platform is mostly text based so low effort...

      I would agree, Tildes has the feeling of something like a local social club, where all the members are degrees of friends of friends. It helps that the platform is mostly text based so low effort memeing doesn't flood the zone instead of more thoughtful conversation.
      If Deimos is interested in expanding Tildes, he might need to make membership/readership more public facing than through private one-to-one invitations, that makes for more 'organic' growth, but not necessarily quick or large growth.

      6 votes
  5. [7]
    cfabbro
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    Uh, what? Comments by who, when, where? I have read pretty much every comment ever posted to Tildes, and never seen anyone suggest there be a user cap here. So where are you getting that from?...

    I've seen comments that @Deimos is considering capping the amount of users here. I believe, if my memory is correct, that the cap was around 40,000 users.

    Uh, what? Comments by who, when, where? I have read pretty much every comment ever posted to Tildes, and never seen anyone suggest there be a user cap here. So where are you getting that from?

    Regardless, only one person makes the decisions around here which is @Deimos, and I have never seen him mention any sort of arbitrary account number limit. In fact, I have only ever seen him suggesting the opposite; having mentioned many times over the years about how he would eventually like to open up registration at some point.

    As to your main question about Tildes being exclusive. No it's not "exclusive" (other than the "don't be an asshole" requirement), nor should it ever be, IMO. I have given out several thousand Tildes invites over the years, and the only time I have denied invite requests was when the user was an obvious troll or bigot. That hardly makes everyone I have invited here the "best of the best". All it does is raise the basic requirement for joining here to "don't be a totally obvious asshole".

    8 votes
    1. [3]
      suspended
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      It's from my muddled memory of conversations here. So, I am most likely mistaken. I understand this. Sounds like fun. And where, precisely, is that reference? Is it in the TOS? Thousands? I've...

      I have read pretty much every comment ever posted to Tildes, and never seen anyone suggest there be a user cap here. So where are you getting that from?

      It's from my muddled memory of conversations here. So, I am most likely mistaken.

      Regardless, only one person makes the decisions around here which is @Deimos...

      I understand this.

      ...having mentioned many times over the years how he would eventually like to open up registration at some point.

      Sounds like fun.

      ...other than the "don't be an asshole" requirement..

      And where, precisely, is that reference? Is it in the TOS?

      I have given out several thousand Tildes invites over the years...

      Thousands? I've given out, probably, hundreds and approaching one thousand maybe. I don't know since I haven't kept track.

      You once engaged with me frequently on Tildes. Is there a reason why you don't anymore? If I've offended you in any way, then I'd like to make amends.

      3 votes
      1. [2]
        cfabbro
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        It's literally the first line of the CoC, and it's even bolded: https://docs.tildes.net/policies/code-of-conduct Yep, thousands. The last time I asked Deimos how many I had sent out, about a year...

        And where, precisely, is that reference? Is it in the TOS?

        It's literally the first line of the CoC, and it's even bolded: https://docs.tildes.net/policies/code-of-conduct

        Don't act like an asshole and routinely make other people's experiences—or lives—worse. Almost all of the restrictions on how you can use Tildes are just more-explicit versions of this basic guideline. In general, as long as you treat others with basic civility and try to contribute in good faith, you will be welcome on Tildes.

        Thousands?

        Yep, thousands. The last time I asked Deimos how many I had sent out, about a year ago, it was up to ~4k (IIRC).

        You once engaged with me frequently on Tildes. Is there a reason why you don't anymore? If I've offended you in any way, then I'd like to make amends.

        To be perfectly honest, I am still a bit miffed about that thing you did that we already talked about via PMs, so even though I'm not intentionally ignoring you, I do still find myself not feeling like engaging with you as frequently as I used to for that reason.

        6 votes
        1. [2]
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          1. Deimos
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            You're getting weirdly and unnecessarily personal very quickly, in a kind of passive-aggressive way. You can continue your discussion about this in PMs if you want to, but it's obviously not...

            You're getting weirdly and unnecessarily personal very quickly, in a kind of passive-aggressive way. You can continue your discussion about this in PMs if you want to, but it's obviously not headed in a good direction in public.

            8 votes
    2. [3]
      FirstTiger
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      How have you been able to give out thousands of invites? I thought individual users only got 10 apiece?

      How have you been able to give out thousands of invites? I thought individual users only got 10 apiece?

      1 vote
      1. [2]
        cfabbro
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        Link Parent
        The cap for most everyone here is currently 10 invites at a time, but since I am one of the people responsible for handling the "Official Invite Requests" rounds on /r/Tildes, whenever I have...

        The cap for most everyone here is currently 10 invites at a time, but since I am one of the people responsible for handling the "Official Invite Requests" rounds on /r/Tildes, whenever I have asked Deimos to top me up again he usually gives me several hundred invites at a time instead.

        4 votes
        1. suspended
          Link Parent
          Same here.

          ...whenever I have asked Deimos to top me up again he usually gives me several hundred invites at a time instead.

          Same here.

  6. [4]
    space_cowboy
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    No. It is exclusive in the sense that it is invitation only however.

    No. It is exclusive in the sense that it is invitation only however.

    8 votes
    1. [3]
      spacecowboy
      Link Parent
      Apparently big enough for name collisions :)

      Apparently big enough for name collisions :)

      11 votes
      1. moocow1452
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        This site ain't big enough for the two of y'all?

        This site ain't big enough for the two of y'all?

        7 votes
      2. space_cowboy
        Link Parent
        Well, yippee ty yi yo and make it so

        Well, yippee ty yi yo and make it so

        3 votes
  7. [5]
    DepartedPretzel
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    I really hope not. I didn’t join to be part of an exclusive community, and exclusive communities turn stale over time. Although I like the benefits of a small community and recognize the Eternal...

    I really hope not.

    I didn’t join to be part of an exclusive community, and exclusive communities turn stale over time. Although I like the benefits of a small community and recognize the Eternal September phenomenon, I disagree on principle with actively excluding people who wish to respectfully participate. Hacker News caters to an exclusive crowd and oftentimes it’s a toxic, alienating place. Meanwhile, the MetaFilter community wants to grow their userbase, partly because the content has become homogenous and they’ve become tired of hearing the same voices. Here on Tildes, I often wish to see more ideas and opinions from people other than the most active users.

    I think if Tildes were to become an even more thriving community, it needs a diverse growing userbase without an arbitrary limit. Excluding people would exclude the “best of the best” who have yet to learn of Tildes and cause the community to become stagnant.

    7 votes
    1. [4]
      cloud_loud
      Link Parent
      I’ll be honest, I don’t particularly notice individuals on here. I rarely look at the user names. The only person I ever noticed, that used to post quite a bit, was Mr. Big. And that was only...

      Here on Tildes, I often wish to see more ideas and opinions from people other than the most active users.

      I’ll be honest, I don’t particularly notice individuals on here. I rarely look at the user names. The only person I ever noticed, that used to post quite a bit, was Mr. Big. And that was only because I didn’t really like what he was posting most of the time so I used the feature in uBlock to block him.

      Other than that I can’t tell who posts more than who.

      3 votes
      1. [3]
        suspended
        Link Parent
        Would you care to share anything that 'mrbig' roiled you?

        Would you care to share anything that 'mrbig' roiled you?

        1. [2]
          cloud_loud
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          Oh it wasn’t like we insulted each other or anything. I just found him a bit annoying and disagreed with his thoughts on film quite a bit.

          Oh it wasn’t like we insulted each other or anything. I just found him a bit annoying and disagreed with his thoughts on film quite a bit.

          2 votes
  8. Gaywallet
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    It is not exclusive and the only curation is removal of extreme trolls. If you have come here expecting diversity, there is a distinct lack of such and an environment which actively pushes many...

    It is not exclusive and the only curation is removal of extreme trolls. If you have come here expecting diversity, there is a distinct lack of such and an environment which actively pushes many away. This has both positives and negatives- on the positive side there is in-depth discussion on a variety of topics and people who are repeatedly found to act in bad faith get banned/removed. On the negative side the lack of diversity often leads to certain minorities becoming frustrated or upset and leaving based on how they are treated and the distinct lack of safe spaces and the presence of edge-case users who push boundaries of bad faith but only on specific axes often related to their privilege or general disposition.

    4 votes
  9. [4]
    screenbeard
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    I don’t want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its members.

    I don’t want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its members.

    3 votes
  10. stormy
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    I hope not, thats a lot of stress.

    I hope not, thats a lot of stress.

    2 votes
  11. knocklessmonster
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    My understanding is there is a specific growth goal: small, sustainable growth that exists to keep the site engaging, rather than growth as an operational requirement. My only sources are...

    My understanding is there is a specific growth goal: small, sustainable growth that exists to keep the site engaging, rather than growth as an operational requirement. My only sources are discussion I've seen on the topic and probably couldn't find if I tried.

    I was also under the impression at one point that the invitation system was temporary, to ensure the possibility of growth, without it being explosive growth.

    2 votes
  12. streblo
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    Not that this is relevant because I don't expect Tildes to get big enough for it to matter but capping active users at say 10-20,000 would be a good thing IMO. Not super analogous to a forum but...

    Not that this is relevant because I don't expect Tildes to get big enough for it to matter but capping active users at say 10-20,000 would be a good thing IMO. Not super analogous to a forum but back before streaming was easy I participated in a few fairly exclusive private trackers and the high demand of people wanting in and the low user capacity proved very effective in enforcing user norms even with tens of thousands of users.

    2 votes
  13. [2]
    moocow1452
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    I haven't gotten the boot yet, so I'm going to assume no?

    I haven't gotten the boot yet, so I'm going to assume no?

    1 vote