I liked the Three Body Problem (and the sequels weren't bad, either). This looks interesting enough. I don't want to derail a topic, but what I found most noteworthy about the video was that I was...
I liked the Three Body Problem (and the sequels weren't bad, either). This looks interesting enough.
I don't want to derail a topic, but what I found most noteworthy about the video was that I was actually less excited when I saw "from the creators of Game of Thrones" flash on the screen. Hopefully by "the creators" they mean the money-men or executive production staff, and not D&D.
That put me off too so I went to the Wikipedia page to check. Unfortunately, they do mean D&D. While looking through discussions about it, I did see people saying that the Chinese show was good,...
That put me off too so I went to the Wikipedia page to check.
Unfortunately, they do mean D&D.
While looking through discussions about it, I did see people saying that the Chinese show was good, so I think I’ll give that a try instead.
Ah, that is unfortunate. The silver lining perhaps is that D&D did a pretty great job with game of thrones for as long as they had creative source material to pull from. They only truly dropped...
Ah, that is unfortunate. The silver lining perhaps is that D&D did a pretty great job with game of thrones for as long as they had creative source material to pull from. They only truly dropped the ball when they had to start making stuff up on their own. So, perhaps, if they stick to the script, they'll pull off another winner.
There may be some reason to hope here. D&D actually do have chops, because they did a good job adapting the early GoT seasons. It only fell flat after it ran out of source material, and the...
There may be some reason to hope here. D&D actually do have chops, because they did a good job adapting the early GoT seasons. It only fell flat after it ran out of source material, and the scuttlebut is they were burned as fuck on the project anyway, didn't want to do it anymore. HBO should have swapped showrunners, that's where the true failure is.
Now D&D have a stunningly bad reputation. If they want to change that, this is their only real shot at it. I bet that they are quite motivated to succeed.
I agree with you that D&D catch more flack than they deserve. In my opinion, the greater share of the blame lies with George R R Martin. Like you said, D&D were hired to adapt the source material...
I agree with you that D&D catch more flack than they deserve. In my opinion, the greater share of the blame lies with George R R Martin.
Like you said, D&D were hired to adapt the source material to television, but in the eight years the series ran, GRRM only released two novels in the series -- and one of those novels was released during season 1! So for essentially 7 years, Martin published nothing for D&D to adapt. D&D's roles transformed from adapting the series to writing it.
Moreover, we know that Martin shared with D&D the ending to his series (as well as the general arc). So if the ending seemed half-baked, that's probably because it was -- it's been over a decade since the last entry in A Song of Ice and Fire, and Martin still hasn't figured out how to advance the plot.
Such a missed marketing opportunity. Imagine how much money George would have made had he been releasing the books in time with the series, just a little ahead of them. He'd have had a shot at...
Such a missed marketing opportunity. Imagine how much money George would have made had he been releasing the books in time with the series, just a little ahead of them. He'd have had a shot at record setting book sales.
I hope it is as at least as good as the Chinese show. There are parts that are drawn out and some corniness but some of it is just so damn good. All the Red Coast Base parts I thought were gold....
I hope it is as at least as good as the Chinese show. There are parts that are drawn out and some corniness but some of it is just so damn good. All the Red Coast Base parts I thought were gold. You could tell there was a desire to tiptoe around the line of censorship they faced concerning the Cultural Revolution parts, especially the father. The guy who played the detective was perfectly spot on. I see him when I think of that character now.
I’m glad it seems this Netflix series isn’t willing to leave out that the integral character of the series has some serious reservations about humanity itself after the way her father was treated. The Chinese show waters that part down pretty heavily.
That would truly be a tragedy if that happens. While I liked The Three by Body Problem, I felt that I only became really interested once I started The Dark Forest.
That would truly be a tragedy if that happens.
While I liked The Three by Body Problem, I felt that I only became really interested once I started The Dark Forest.
Agreed! It's been a while since I read the trilogy but I wasn't particularly blown away by the first book. The Dark Forest is where it really gets good. I liked Death's End too but it gets really...
Agreed! It's been a while since I read the trilogy but I wasn't particularly blown away by the first book. The Dark Forest is where it really gets good. I liked Death's End too but it gets really far out and esoteric towards the end. Personally I enjoyed the strangeness, just not sure it would translate well to the screen.
Honestly the only memorable thing for me that happened in 3BP involved some carbon nanotubes and the Panama Canal. I think a TV series could sum up the whole book in two episodes, with one dedicated to that part. Then dive right into TDF in earnest starting with episode 3. I'm sure I'm forgetting some important stuff that would make me reconsider, but off the top of my head that's what I'd do with it.
It really is. There was a Forbes article about this specific pattern back in Jan that got posted here, if you're interested : Netflix and the self-fulfilling cancellation loop
Hard to gauge accuracy from a teaser, but I recognize a lot of it just based on how I imagined some scenes, and I read the book(s) about 6-7 years ago. I recommend the books if you like scifi, but...
Hard to gauge accuracy from a teaser, but I recognize a lot of it just based on how I imagined some scenes, and I read the book(s) about 6-7 years ago.
I recommend the books if you like scifi, but be warned it is written by a non-western author and so the pacing and style of it will feel unfamiliar and likely confusing. If you know that going in I think it helps, I wasn't warned and it got a bit rough (motivation-wise) for me. By the end it pays off though.
The narrator reads like Microsoft Sam, his inability to read Chinese names fluidly made it impossible to listen to. I had to stop listening three chapters in.
The narrator reads like Microsoft Sam, his inability to read Chinese names fluidly made it impossible to listen to. I had to stop listening three chapters in.
All I remember about the books is a bunch of people raising flags to be a computer and then the last paragraph saying "humanity sucks, please conquer us"
All I remember about the books is a bunch of people raising flags to be a computer and then the last paragraph saying
I believe they do exist, though I haven't tested it out yet. I'll try it out here: 𝐒𝐩𝐨𝐢𝐥𝐞𝐫 Reference: https://docs.tildes.net/instructions/text-formatting Expandable sections You can create an...
I believe they do exist, though I haven't tested it out yet. I'll try it out here:
You can create an expandable (and collapsible) section of text by placing all the content you want to be expandable inside a <details> tag. This will have a default label ("Details" in Firefox), but you can set your own label by including a <summary> tag inside, containing the label you want to use. For example:
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Here's all the hidden text.
It can have **markdown** in it too.
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Which will produce:
𝐂𝐥𝐢𝐜𝐤 𝐭𝐨 𝐯𝐢𝐞𝐰 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐢𝐝𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐞𝐱𝐭
Here's all the hidden text.
It can have markdown in it too.
(Note that if you want to use markdown inside the hidden text, you must leave a blank line after the line!)
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I recommended this trilogy to a colleague. Was wondering if I had overhyped it but he came back even more mind blown than I had expected :D I enjoyed this "comedic video about the experience [of...
I recommended this trilogy to a colleague. Was wondering if I had overhyped it but he came back even more mind blown than I had expected :D
Not sure if I like 3BP or Project Hail Mary better. Maybe they're just both top of the line in their own way, 3BP more analytical and PHM more hands-on down-to-earth. Not sure if I'm conveying that right.
The Expanse, I would say is one small step below, but has the advantage of already being a series for anyone who's more of a, shall we say, tv person, here in ~tv.
I enjoyed both, but felt that Project Hail Mary suffered for being the Martian 2. While it's still a great story with some jaw dropping moments, it could have very easily been Mark Watney in that...
I enjoyed both, but felt that Project Hail Mary suffered for being the Martian 2. While it's still a great story with some jaw dropping moments, it could have very easily been Mark Watney in that ship. The character's internal monologue is identical.
I read and liked the "Remembrance of Earth's Past" trilogy and quite enjoyed it. I also read Leviathan Wakes but haven't read any other in the Expanse series. I liked the political intrigue...
I read and liked the "Remembrance of Earth's Past" trilogy and quite enjoyed it.
I also read Leviathan Wakes but haven't read any other in the Expanse series. I liked the political intrigue aspects but not so much the Alien parts, so I am a little hesitant to continue.
You'll definitely enjoy the rest of it then, IMO. The alien parts serve as a driving plot element for the entire series, but the focus stays squarely on the political implications of shifting...
You'll definitely enjoy the rest of it then, IMO. The alien parts serve as a driving plot element for the entire series, but the focus stays squarely on the political implications of shifting power balances and the effect it has on our hero characters.
I'm excited for all the parts inside the Three Body game, since it looks like they didn't skimp on budget! The book had some ... awkward politics at times. Curious to see how that all plays out...
I'm excited for all the parts inside the Three Body game, since it looks like they didn't skimp on budget! The book had some ... awkward politics at times. Curious to see how that all plays out for Netflix.
Yea! It seems like so much of the trailer focuses on the game? An interesting way to do it for sure. However, that may misrepresent premise of the show to those who are uninformed.
Yea!
It seems like so much of the trailer focuses on the game? An interesting way to do it for sure.
However, that may misrepresent premise of the show to those who are uninformed.
I loved the books. I loved the sense of wonder, exploration, and mystery that the first book had. I hope the adaptation can capture some of the magic. Also I’m cool with changes. It is a different...
I loved the books. I loved the sense of wonder, exploration, and mystery that the first book had. I hope the adaptation can capture some of the magic. Also I’m cool with changes. It is a different medium and it requires different storytelling, I just hope it does it doesn't suck.
The Remembrance of Earth's Past series is such a grand sci-fi story. One of the things I really love about science fiction is when a story not only entertains me with an interesting plot but also...
The Remembrance of Earth's Past series is such a grand sci-fi story. One of the things I really love about science fiction is when a story not only entertains me with an interesting plot but also forces me think about implications beyond the pages. This one had me reconsidering our place in the universe.
Adapting such a story to film is an ambitious project. What we see in the teaser looks promising. I'm eager to see how it turns out.
I think it's pretty easy to adapt to a show, it's just not going to have mass appeal. There's some amazing big set piece moments, and it's kinda sorta just a detective scientist novel, but it's...
I think it's pretty easy to adapt to a show, it's just not going to have mass appeal. There's some amazing big set piece moments, and it's kinda sorta just a detective scientist novel, but it's uh....got a mood that's hard to push for mass consumption.
Curious to see how it goes. Looks like it's got a budget which is nice given some of the scenes, but it's a very strange story based in sociology and physics. Granted it does a very good job of...
Curious to see how it goes. Looks like it's got a budget which is nice given some of the scenes, but it's a very strange story based in sociology and physics. Granted it does a very good job of stepping through why some of these things make sense, but there's other parts that are just "ok so that's science magic, got it".
I wouldn't be shocked if they only do the first book as well. The budget alone for the later ones would be very high, and the material has even less appeal to the average person.
Are they going to cover all three books? I think the trailer looks pretty good so far. So I'm currently cautiously optimistic. I wonder how they'll handle the cultural revolution.
Are they going to cover all three books?
I think the trailer looks pretty good so far. So I'm currently cautiously optimistic. I wonder how they'll handle the cultural revolution.
I liked the Three Body Problem (and the sequels weren't bad, either). This looks interesting enough.
I don't want to derail a topic, but what I found most noteworthy about the video was that I was actually less excited when I saw "from the creators of Game of Thrones" flash on the screen. Hopefully by "the creators" they mean the money-men or executive production staff, and not D&D.
That put me off too so I went to the Wikipedia page to check.
Unfortunately, they do mean D&D.
While looking through discussions about it, I did see people saying that the Chinese show was good, so I think I’ll give that a try instead.
Ah, that is unfortunate. The silver lining perhaps is that D&D did a pretty great job with game of thrones for as long as they had creative source material to pull from. They only truly dropped the ball when they had to start making stuff up on their own. So, perhaps, if they stick to the script, they'll pull off another winner.
There may be some reason to hope here. D&D actually do have chops, because they did a good job adapting the early GoT seasons. It only fell flat after it ran out of source material, and the scuttlebut is they were burned as fuck on the project anyway, didn't want to do it anymore. HBO should have swapped showrunners, that's where the true failure is.
Now D&D have a stunningly bad reputation. If they want to change that, this is their only real shot at it. I bet that they are quite motivated to succeed.
I agree with you that D&D catch more flack than they deserve. In my opinion, the greater share of the blame lies with George R R Martin.
Like you said, D&D were hired to adapt the source material to television, but in the eight years the series ran, GRRM only released two novels in the series -- and one of those novels was released during season 1! So for essentially 7 years, Martin published nothing for D&D to adapt. D&D's roles transformed from adapting the series to writing it.
Moreover, we know that Martin shared with D&D the ending to his series (as well as the general arc). So if the ending seemed half-baked, that's probably because it was -- it's been over a decade since the last entry in A Song of Ice and Fire, and Martin still hasn't figured out how to advance the plot.
Such a missed marketing opportunity. Imagine how much money George would have made had he been releasing the books in time with the series, just a little ahead of them. He'd have had a shot at record setting book sales.
I hope it is as at least as good as the Chinese show. There are parts that are drawn out and some corniness but some of it is just so damn good. All the Red Coast Base parts I thought were gold. You could tell there was a desire to tiptoe around the line of censorship they faced concerning the Cultural Revolution parts, especially the father. The guy who played the detective was perfectly spot on. I see him when I think of that character now.
I’m glad it seems this Netflix series isn’t willing to leave out that the integral character of the series has some serious reservations about humanity itself after the way her father was treated. The Chinese show waters that part down pretty heavily.
TIL there was already a Chinese version.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20242042/
Edit: 30 episodes!?
Link to discussion about Chinese version
I’m interested but probably won’t invest my time until I’m sure Netflix isn’t going to cancel it after only one season.
That would truly be a tragedy if that happens.
While I liked The Three by Body Problem, I felt that I only became really interested once I started The Dark Forest.
Agreed! It's been a while since I read the trilogy but I wasn't particularly blown away by the first book. The Dark Forest is where it really gets good. I liked Death's End too but it gets really far out and esoteric towards the end. Personally I enjoyed the strangeness, just not sure it would translate well to the screen.
Honestly the only memorable thing for me that happened in 3BP involved some carbon nanotubes and the Panama Canal. I think a TV series could sum up the whole book in two episodes, with one dedicated to that part. Then dive right into TDF in earnest starting with episode 3. I'm sure I'm forgetting some important stuff that would make me reconsider, but off the top of my head that's what I'd do with it.
Such an irritating conundrum, isn’t it. If nobody watches it guarantees cancellation, but it’s so disappointing to not get closure.
It really is. There was a Forbes article about this specific pattern back in Jan that got posted here, if you're interested : Netflix and the self-fulfilling cancellation loop
Teaser trailer for the new Netflix series based on the Chinese novel The Three Body Problem by Liu Cixin.
I’ve never read the books so I don’t know if any of that’s accurate but I’m interested. It looks really cool!
Hard to gauge accuracy from a teaser, but I recognize a lot of it just based on how I imagined some scenes, and I read the book(s) about 6-7 years ago.
I recommend the books if you like scifi, but be warned it is written by a non-western author and so the pacing and style of it will feel unfamiliar and likely confusing. If you know that going in I think it helps, I wasn't warned and it got a bit rough (motivation-wise) for me. By the end it pays off though.
The audiobook is garbage btw, if that’s your consumption method
I think the audiobook is reasonably well done. Certainly not the best audiobook I have ever read, but definitely not garbage.
The narrator reads like Microsoft Sam, his inability to read Chinese names fluidly made it impossible to listen to. I had to stop listening three chapters in.
I enjoyed the audiobook. Loved the book in general. I read the entire thing in a few days.
All I remember about the books is a bunch of people raising flags to be a computer and then the last paragraph saying
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I believe they do exist, though I haven't tested it out yet. I'll try it out here:
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Major spoilers, buddy. Also a vast over simplification of the book.
Added spoiler tags, and I think it's just been so long since I've read it
I recommended this trilogy to a colleague. Was wondering if I had overhyped it but he came back even more mind blown than I had expected :D
I enjoyed this "comedic video about the experience [of reading the series]", but probably makes more sense if you've already read the books.
Not sure if I like 3BP or Project Hail Mary better. Maybe they're just both top of the line in their own way, 3BP more analytical and PHM more hands-on down-to-earth. Not sure if I'm conveying that right.
The Expanse, I would say is one small step below, but has the advantage of already being a series for anyone who's more of a, shall we say, tv person, here in ~tv.
I enjoyed both, but felt that Project Hail Mary suffered for being the Martian 2. While it's still a great story with some jaw dropping moments, it could have very easily been Mark Watney in that ship. The character's internal monologue is identical.
Well, it's basically what I enjoy, I don't really care if he calls the character Mark or Ryland!
I read and liked the "Remembrance of Earth's Past" trilogy and quite enjoyed it.
I also read Leviathan Wakes but haven't read any other in the Expanse series. I liked the political intrigue aspects but not so much the Alien parts, so I am a little hesitant to continue.
You'll definitely enjoy the rest of it then, IMO. The alien parts serve as a driving plot element for the entire series, but the focus stays squarely on the political implications of shifting power balances and the effect it has on our hero characters.
I'm excited for all the parts inside the Three Body game, since it looks like they didn't skimp on budget! The book had some ... awkward politics at times. Curious to see how that all plays out for Netflix.
Yea!
It seems like so much of the trailer focuses on the game? An interesting way to do it for sure.
However, that may misrepresent premise of the show to those who are uninformed.
I loved the books. I loved the sense of wonder, exploration, and mystery that the first book had. I hope the adaptation can capture some of the magic. Also I’m cool with changes. It is a different medium and it requires different storytelling, I just hope it does it doesn't suck.
The Remembrance of Earth's Past series is such a grand sci-fi story. One of the things I really love about science fiction is when a story not only entertains me with an interesting plot but also forces me think about implications beyond the pages. This one had me reconsidering our place in the universe.
Adapting such a story to film is an ambitious project. What we see in the teaser looks promising. I'm eager to see how it turns out.
Oof. I do not have high hopes for this as an adaptation. It's just not the kind of story to adapt to a show.
At least it would get more people curious about the books!
Agreed. I read and enjoyed the books, but I have a hard time imagining this translated into a TV show.
I think it's pretty easy to adapt to a show, it's just not going to have mass appeal. There's some amazing big set piece moments, and it's kinda sorta just a detective scientist novel, but it's uh....got a mood that's hard to push for mass consumption.
Curious to see how it goes. Looks like it's got a budget which is nice given some of the scenes, but it's a very strange story based in sociology and physics. Granted it does a very good job of stepping through why some of these things make sense, but there's other parts that are just "ok so that's science magic, got it".
I wouldn't be shocked if they only do the first book as well. The budget alone for the later ones would be very high, and the material has even less appeal to the average person.
Are they going to cover all three books?
I think the trailer looks pretty good so far. So I'm currently cautiously optimistic. I wonder how they'll handle the cultural revolution.