I grew up on primarily on TNG and DS9. Also Voyager though in my opinion it was not as good as the aforementioned 2 series. I find my expectations for this series, viewed through the lens of the...
I grew up on primarily on TNG and DS9. Also Voyager though in my opinion it was not as good as the aforementioned 2 series.
I find my expectations for this series, viewed through the lens of the TNG and DS9 experiences, are very low.
I used to be a huge fan of Star Trek, but the modern aesthetic and vibe just doesn't do it for me. I wish they'd make a show that looks, feels and sounds more like TNG/DS9/VOY. I miss those days.
I used to be a huge fan of Star Trek, but the modern aesthetic and vibe just doesn't do it for me. I wish they'd make a show that looks, feels and sounds more like TNG/DS9/VOY. I miss those days.
Lower Decks I think is the closet to capturing the vibe of that era, though it’s obviously very tongue in cheek. But my brain still lumps it in with TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT rather than SNW/Disco/Academy
Lower Decks I think is the closet to capturing the vibe of that era, though it’s obviously very tongue in cheek. But my brain still lumps it in with TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT rather than SNW/Disco/Academy
I’m a huge animation and Star Trek nerd, so it’s kinda the perfect show for me and I wish it ran forever lol. At least it ran longer than Enterprise! I can’t help but wonder if now that the main...
I’m a huge animation and Star Trek nerd, so it’s kinda the perfect show for me and I wish it ran forever lol. At least it ran longer than Enterprise! I can’t help but wonder if now that the main characters have kind of ranked up from Lower Decks, and the SNW crossover being fairly successful at bringing Mariner and Boimler to live-action, if maybe they might consider continuing the characters from Lower Ddcks in a new live-action series? For the record, I still prefer the freedom that animation allows for things to get goofy, both in the sense that you can animate anything, and an animated format kind of excuses the goofiness.
Lower Decks is by far the best Star Trek in years - even through the silliness it’s got better writing, more genuine emotion, and far far better character development than Picard (a show that I’d...
Lower Decks is by far the best Star Trek in years - even through the silliness it’s got better writing, more genuine emotion, and far far better character development than Picard (a show that I’d been really excited for before it aired, and that I didn’t actually hate, even though I found it disappointing).
I saw a great comment somewhere saying to watch Lower Decks as if you’re hearing the crew tell the stories in a bar 30 years after they happened. I think that gives it the perfect tone for things that really happened and really mattered (in-universe, obviously), but wrapped in a thick layer of humour, bravado, and friendly bullshitting between the characters.
I like Lower Decks very much but there are a few things about it that don’t quite work for me. One thing I want in Star Trek is to see super competent people doing their job well. Boimler annoys...
I like Lower Decks very much but there are a few things about it that don’t quite work for me.
One thing I want in Star Trek is to see super competent people doing their job well. Boimler annoys me a bit because he is usually only accidentally competent. He often makes a bunch of mistakes but it turns out that these mistakes are exactly what was needed for everything to work out for the best. It’s the kind of thing that happens to Inspector Clouseau in a pink panther movie, or to Homer Simpson. Yes, I realize that this is a cartoon and some cartoony things happen.
Another thing is that Captain Freeman is not super competent. She, and the whole bridge crew, make a lot of mistakes and have character flaws that are sometimes surprising. Maybe this is why they are on a relatively small and not-famous ship. Again, I know I’m watching a cartoon, but this kind of thing is a reason why I often prefer life action.
Yeah, I do know what you mean - if we had the option for a live action show with the same level of storytelling I’d take that in a heartbeat, but I guess animation is what gave them the creative...
Yeah, I do know what you mean - if we had the option for a live action show with the same level of storytelling I’d take that in a heartbeat, but I guess animation is what gave them the creative freedom to do interesting things without too much executive meddling or hand wringing about budget. Admittedly animation doesn’t have to be cartoony, but I can also see why they wanted to play with it a bit!
It’s a shame we didn’t get a series that’ll give us another Darmok or In The Pale Moonlight, but for me at least the “bar stories” lens does take the edge off the things you mentioned. Boimler’s always faceplanting into success because Mariner’s the one telling it and she’s never going to let him have too much credit; the bridge crew are out of touch and kinda foolish because that’s how it looked to the guys who were stuck doing holodeck maintenance at the time, that kind of thing.
Sadly not, although I watched them the other way around so I would have missed it if he did! I’ll be interested to see how (or if) future shows treat the characters/events in general though,...
Sadly not, although I watched them the other way around so I would have missed it if he did! I’ll be interested to see how (or if) future shows treat the characters/events in general though, especially given how much of the lower decks was built on callbacks to the classic shows.
Lower Decks is great but I thought The Orville felt closer to the TNG vibe. But no one else in this thread has mentioned it yet so now I'm wondering if everyone secretly decided to never talk of...
Lower Decks is great but I thought The Orville felt closer to the TNG vibe. But no one else in this thread has mentioned it yet so now I'm wondering if everyone secretly decided to never talk of it again?
For me The Orville was shockingly good once it got out of the early “Family Guy in Space” phase, the writers and actors got into their groove (“growing the beard”), and its production values...
For me The Orville was shockingly good once it got out of the early “Family Guy in Space” phase, the writers and actors got into their groove (“growing the beard”), and its production values really got a boost in the last season, but somehow it doesn’t quite rank alongside TNG and DS9. I think it could get there if given another season or two on the same trajectory, but it’s not there yet.
I almost mentioned it, because it does capture the vibe really well, but it can’t help but feel like the generic store-brand equivalent, like Star Trek with the serial numbers filed off. I like it...
I almost mentioned it, because it does capture the vibe really well, but it can’t help but feel like the generic store-brand equivalent, like Star Trek with the serial numbers filed off. I like it a lot, but they shoulda just let Seth make a proper Trek.
Honestly I've only just realised The Orville isn't canon Star Trek, I thought they were doing some alternate timeline thing, but actually I'm just dumb lol. Still, it is good, and as...
Honestly I've only just realised The Orville isn't canon Star Trek, I thought they were doing some alternate timeline thing, but actually I'm just dumb lol. Still, it is good, and as @ButteredToast commented, the last season really got better. I think it benefited from longer running episodes that could get into deeper stories.
Thank you! I totally agree. Season 3 was so bad I couldn't even finish it, which was such a shock because seasons 1 and 2 were great, and ended on such a great cliff hanger. Every episode of...
Thank you! I totally agree. Season 3 was so bad I couldn't even finish it, which was such a shock because seasons 1 and 2 were great, and ended on such a great cliff hanger.
Every episode of season 3 felt like a gimmick, wrapped up too neatly, and had some honestly "cringey" writing, and I hesitate to use that word. Star Trek has always had a little cheese to it which I totally dig, but this season was different. Also, it felt like every plot line was them going rouge to accomplish the mission, which is fine every now and then, but not when its literally every episode.
Oh. Well, that is sad to hear about S3. I think when I'm feeling up to it I'll at least get back to watching the rest of S1 at some point and go from there.
Oh. Well, that is sad to hear about S3. I think when I'm feeling up to it I'll at least get back to watching the rest of S1 at some point and go from there.
Whenever I see trailers like this one or the one for Section 31 I feel like a grumpy old man mumbling that this isn't my Star Trek, these whippersnappers don't even know how to polarize the hull...
Whenever I see trailers like this one or the one for Section 31 I feel like a grumpy old man mumbling that this isn't my Star Trek, these whippersnappers don't even know how to polarize the hull plating, it was so much better in the olden days.
Becoming a grumpy old man is probably my fate anyway, but these trailers really accelerate getting there. 🙂
I agree with everything you’re saying but I just have to point out that they literally blew Remmick’s head off with a phaser in season 1 of TNG, but to be fair he had a nubbin bug so whatcha gonna...
I agree with everything you’re saying but I just have to point out that they literally blew Remmick’s head off with a phaser in season 1 of TNG, but to be fair he had a nubbin bug so whatcha gonna do, right?
TBF this is the writer who got rid of Gates McFadden (Dr. Crusher), and wrote (rewrote from a Phase II script) The Child, in which Troi got impregnanted by an alien in her sleep, then gave birth...
It also caused the producers to fall out with the original writer, Maurice Hurley, who had been brought in by Roddenberry's lawyers in S1 (?!)
TBF this is the writer who got rid of Gates McFadden (Dr. Crusher), and wrote (rewrote from a Phase II script) The Child, in which Troi got impregnanted by an alien in her sleep, then gave birth to it so it could experience the physical universe. And no-one including herself brings up how deeply violating this must have felt.
I guess what I'm saying is, not a great loss overall.
It seems about on par with Discovery and Picard; namely sex, violence, moody outbursts, tragic backstories, and revenge. It doesn't seem super interesting because that's not any of the stuff I...
It seems about on par with Discovery and Picard; namely sex, violence, moody outbursts, tragic backstories, and revenge. It doesn't seem super interesting because that's not any of the stuff I like Star Trek for. I can accept that I'm not really the type of person that this show is for, but that kind of raises the question; who is the kind of person this show is for?
I can't imagine young people being particularly interested in watching a Star Trek show at all at this point, especially one that doesn't seem to bring anything particularly new to the media landscape. This looks like a trailer for any other generic sci fi show.
I guess they have viewership because they keep getting made, but I'm so curious about who those viewers are. I've never talked to anyone in real life that has watched any of the streaming Trek shows.
I don't know. I talk to quite a few young people on a regular basis. Interest in Star Trek is very low and the very few who are interested in it watch TOS more than anything!
who is the kind of person this show is for?
I don't know. I talk to quite a few young people on a regular basis. Interest in Star Trek is very low and the very few who are interested in it watch TOS more than anything!
I will say it. I'm sorry, dad and everybody else, but I feel I have to. Let Star Trek be dead. Do absolutely nothing with it for like 15 years. 20, even. It's always been on us to keep what was...
I will say it. I'm sorry, dad and everybody else, but I feel I have to.
Let Star Trek be dead. Do absolutely nothing with it for like 15 years. 20, even. It's always been on us to keep what was good and show it to folks anyway. We can do that and when some younger folk grow into their own they can take their old man's ramblings about the Borg and that bald guy and do something really tremendous, that gives a new group of people the same forward looking good shit we got to experience. We can't help what has already occurred but we can always change course today. Put away the necromantic implements - shelve the prequel shit, old man action adventures, and cartoons. Let folks miss it, let them forget. Loosen up on copyright and let folks explore. Boldly go where no one has gone before, into a time after Star Trek. I don't mean the 25th century and beyond, I mean here in our timeline.
It won't be gone forever. It can leave for a time and come back of its own accord. A good thing will do that eventually. It dies, the soil takes it back, and something grows there that has its substance within. Each time the corpse gets dragged out, dressed up with that old shitty jumpsuit and caked with new makeup, we delay this process. The corpse shambles around and loses some more skin, cracks a bone, falls over and writhes/gurgles while we debate whether it shambled better than last time.
He's dead, Jim. He's been dead, Jim. I know you miss him man but he's gone. You can't keep doing this to yourself. Put the communicator in the drawer, you don't need it. The phaser too. Give little Jimothy the TNG box set. Tell them about the good days and when their time comes maybe we can break that old shit out again, I'll bring some fresh batteries. I already did some torrents so don't worry if the kid messes up the disks. That jumpsuit's gotta go though. I'm not gonna mince words no amount of detergent is gonna fix that.
Unfortunately, we live in the evil mirror universe, so in twenty years it will be illegal to even remember TV shows without having first paid $36 per episode on top of your mandatory...
Loosen up on copyright and let folks explore.
Unfortunately, we live in the evil mirror universe, so in twenty years it will be illegal to even remember TV shows without having first paid $36 per episode on top of your mandatory McDisneyCola™️ subscription. And, of course, ads will be beamed directly into your brain.
Star Trek will also be illegal, because space communism.
Man... I want this to be good but it feels like the people behind Star Trek these days don't really understand the soul of it, or maybe wanting to take it to a different place for a different...
Man... I want this to be good but it feels like the people behind Star Trek these days don't really understand the soul of it, or maybe wanting to take it to a different place for a different audience.
I will say that Paul Giamatti is my favorite actor and he elevates almost any show he's in.
I just watched the trailer and I have 2 immediate reactions: Oh cool, Holly Hunter and Paul Giamatti are in this. That's interesting. (Paul was also in 30 Coins season 2 which was surprising. If...
I just watched the trailer and I have 2 immediate reactions:
Oh cool, Holly Hunter and Paul Giamatti are in this. That's interesting. (Paul was also in 30 Coins season 2 which was surprising. If you haven't seen 30 Coins, it's a totally batshit insane Spanish supernatural show with a bunch of weird Catholic religious mythology and body horror and all kinds of weird stuff)
Wow this really looks terrible and I have no interest in seeing it.
I don't usually read the comments on Youtube I only saw negative ones. Here are a few that sum up my feelings pretty well:
"Tinder Trek: the last swipe"
"Feels like a Saturday morning teen drama with a Star Trek title"
" It's actually stunning how committed they are to not making a decent Star Trek show."
"This whole thing looks like it was made to train an AI."
I am unlikely to watch this, but I am mildly curious what the in-universe explanation will be for The Doctor now looking like a much older Robert Picardo. I suppose whatever the explanation is...
I am unlikely to watch this, but I am mildly curious what the in-universe explanation will be for The Doctor now looking like a much older Robert Picardo. I suppose whatever the explanation is (however silly) will at least be better than if they decided to digitally de-age him.
[Harry Kim wanders in, clearly in his mid-50s, still wearing a single ensign’s pip on his collar] Doc, what’s with the new look? Don’t tell me you let the Daystrom team mess with your emitter...
[Harry Kim wanders in, clearly in his mid-50s, still wearing a single ensign’s pip on his collar]
Doc, what’s with the new look? Don’t tell me you let the Daystrom team mess with your emitter again…
Oh, not at all, I spent quite some time working on my appearance after being offered a position at the academy. I think it adds a certain gravitas, wouldn’t you agree?
You see, EMHs age much slower than humans, so it makes perfect sense that 1000 years later he would have aged the equivalent of the time between Voyager and this show in human years. Oh and he no...
You see, EMHs age much slower than humans, so it makes perfect sense that 1000 years later he would have aged the equivalent of the time between Voyager and this show in human years. Oh and he no longer sings but definitely bangs Seven.
I grew up on primarily on TNG and DS9. Also Voyager though in my opinion it was not as good as the aforementioned 2 series.
I find my expectations for this series, viewed through the lens of the TNG and DS9 experiences, are very low.
I used to be a huge fan of Star Trek, but the modern aesthetic and vibe just doesn't do it for me. I wish they'd make a show that looks, feels and sounds more like TNG/DS9/VOY. I miss those days.
Lower Decks I think is the closet to capturing the vibe of that era, though it’s obviously very tongue in cheek. But my brain still lumps it in with TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT rather than SNW/Disco/Academy
Yeah, I love Lower Decks. It's the best Star Trek we've had in years in my opinion. I wish they gave it more seasons.
I’m a huge animation and Star Trek nerd, so it’s kinda the perfect show for me and I wish it ran forever lol. At least it ran longer than Enterprise! I can’t help but wonder if now that the main characters have kind of ranked up from Lower Decks, and the SNW crossover being fairly successful at bringing Mariner and Boimler to live-action, if maybe they might consider continuing the characters from Lower Ddcks in a new live-action series? For the record, I still prefer the freedom that animation allows for things to get goofy, both in the sense that you can animate anything, and an animated format kind of excuses the goofiness.
That crossover episode was great, I would love it if they did more. Tawny Newsome and Jack Quaid are so good!
Lower Decks is by far the best Star Trek in years - even through the silliness it’s got better writing, more genuine emotion, and far far better character development than Picard (a show that I’d been really excited for before it aired, and that I didn’t actually hate, even though I found it disappointing).
I saw a great comment somewhere saying to watch Lower Decks as if you’re hearing the crew tell the stories in a bar 30 years after they happened. I think that gives it the perfect tone for things that really happened and really mattered (in-universe, obviously), but wrapped in a thick layer of humour, bravado, and friendly bullshitting between the characters.
I like Lower Decks very much but there are a few things about it that don’t quite work for me.
One thing I want in Star Trek is to see super competent people doing their job well. Boimler annoys me a bit because he is usually only accidentally competent. He often makes a bunch of mistakes but it turns out that these mistakes are exactly what was needed for everything to work out for the best. It’s the kind of thing that happens to Inspector Clouseau in a pink panther movie, or to Homer Simpson. Yes, I realize that this is a cartoon and some cartoony things happen.
Another thing is that Captain Freeman is not super competent. She, and the whole bridge crew, make a lot of mistakes and have character flaws that are sometimes surprising. Maybe this is why they are on a relatively small and not-famous ship. Again, I know I’m watching a cartoon, but this kind of thing is a reason why I often prefer life action.
Yeah, I do know what you mean - if we had the option for a live action show with the same level of storytelling I’d take that in a heartbeat, but I guess animation is what gave them the creative freedom to do interesting things without too much executive meddling or hand wringing about budget. Admittedly animation doesn’t have to be cartoony, but I can also see why they wanted to play with it a bit!
It’s a shame we didn’t get a series that’ll give us another Darmok or In The Pale Moonlight, but for me at least the “bar stories” lens does take the edge off the things you mentioned. Boimler’s always faceplanting into success because Mariner’s the one telling it and she’s never going to let him have too much credit; the bridge crew are out of touch and kinda foolish because that’s how it looked to the guys who were stuck doing holodeck maintenance at the time, that kind of thing.
I didn’t watch Picard yet, but I know Riker shows up. Does Jack Quaid get a cameo as William Boimler aboard the Titan? I doubt it, but he should have.
Sadly not, although I watched them the other way around so I would have missed it if he did! I’ll be interested to see how (or if) future shows treat the characters/events in general though, especially given how much of the lower decks was built on callbacks to the classic shows.
Lower Decks is great but I thought The Orville felt closer to the TNG vibe. But no one else in this thread has mentioned it yet so now I'm wondering if everyone secretly decided to never talk of it again?
For me The Orville was shockingly good once it got out of the early “Family Guy in Space” phase, the writers and actors got into their groove (“growing the beard”), and its production values really got a boost in the last season, but somehow it doesn’t quite rank alongside TNG and DS9. I think it could get there if given another season or two on the same trajectory, but it’s not there yet.
I almost mentioned it, because it does capture the vibe really well, but it can’t help but feel like the generic store-brand equivalent, like Star Trek with the serial numbers filed off. I like it a lot, but they shoulda just let Seth make a proper Trek.
Honestly I've only just realised The Orville isn't canon Star Trek, I thought they were doing some alternate timeline thing, but actually I'm just dumb lol. Still, it is good, and as @ButteredToast commented, the last season really got better. I think it benefited from longer running episodes that could get into deeper stories.
Make Star Trek Star Trek Again
I feel like Strange New Worlds has come the closest in recent years. At least for what I have seen of it (perhaps half of season 1).
Thank you! I totally agree. Season 3 was so bad I couldn't even finish it, which was such a shock because seasons 1 and 2 were great, and ended on such a great cliff hanger.
Every episode of season 3 felt like a gimmick, wrapped up too neatly, and had some honestly "cringey" writing, and I hesitate to use that word. Star Trek has always had a little cheese to it which I totally dig, but this season was different. Also, it felt like every plot line was them going rouge to accomplish the mission, which is fine every now and then, but not when its literally every episode.
Oh. Well, that is sad to hear about S3. I think when I'm feeling up to it I'll at least get back to watching the rest of S1 at some point and go from there.
Whenever I see trailers like this one or the one for Section 31 I feel like a grumpy old man mumbling that this isn't my Star Trek, these whippersnappers don't even know how to polarize the hull plating, it was so much better in the olden days.
Becoming a grumpy old man is probably my fate anyway, but these trailers really accelerate getting there. 🙂
I agree with everything you’re saying but I just have to point out that they literally blew Remmick’s head off with a phaser in season 1 of TNG, but to be fair he had a nubbin bug so whatcha gonna do, right?
TBF this is the writer who got rid of Gates McFadden (Dr. Crusher), and wrote (rewrote from a Phase II script) The Child, in which Troi got impregnanted by an alien in her sleep, then gave birth to it so it could experience the physical universe. And no-one including herself brings up how deeply violating this must have felt.
I guess what I'm saying is, not a great loss overall.
Now when I rewatch TNG I just start with Season 2.
Does the tone seem all over the place for anyone else?
It seems about on par with Discovery and Picard; namely sex, violence, moody outbursts, tragic backstories, and revenge. It doesn't seem super interesting because that's not any of the stuff I like Star Trek for. I can accept that I'm not really the type of person that this show is for, but that kind of raises the question; who is the kind of person this show is for?
I can't imagine young people being particularly interested in watching a Star Trek show at all at this point, especially one that doesn't seem to bring anything particularly new to the media landscape. This looks like a trailer for any other generic sci fi show.
I guess they have viewership because they keep getting made, but I'm so curious about who those viewers are. I've never talked to anyone in real life that has watched any of the streaming Trek shows.
I don't know. I talk to quite a few young people on a regular basis. Interest in Star Trek is very low and the very few who are interested in it watch TOS more than anything!
uh oh. I hope this isn't going to be a lot of that mushy bullshit from Disco. Nice that Tilly is employed, though.
Alternative in case you're blocked:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rHDDzcyNWGs&pp=0gcJCRsBo7VqN5tD
Qantico in space.
I will say it. I'm sorry, dad and everybody else, but I feel I have to.
Let Star Trek be dead. Do absolutely nothing with it for like 15 years. 20, even. It's always been on us to keep what was good and show it to folks anyway. We can do that and when some younger folk grow into their own they can take their old man's ramblings about the Borg and that bald guy and do something really tremendous, that gives a new group of people the same forward looking good shit we got to experience. We can't help what has already occurred but we can always change course today. Put away the necromantic implements - shelve the prequel shit, old man action adventures, and cartoons. Let folks miss it, let them forget. Loosen up on copyright and let folks explore. Boldly go where no one has gone before, into a time after Star Trek. I don't mean the 25th century and beyond, I mean here in our timeline.
It won't be gone forever. It can leave for a time and come back of its own accord. A good thing will do that eventually. It dies, the soil takes it back, and something grows there that has its substance within. Each time the corpse gets dragged out, dressed up with that old shitty jumpsuit and caked with new makeup, we delay this process. The corpse shambles around and loses some more skin, cracks a bone, falls over and writhes/gurgles while we debate whether it shambled better than last time.
He's dead, Jim. He's been dead, Jim. I know you miss him man but he's gone. You can't keep doing this to yourself. Put the communicator in the drawer, you don't need it. The phaser too. Give little Jimothy the TNG box set. Tell them about the good days and when their time comes maybe we can break that old shit out again, I'll bring some fresh batteries. I already did some torrents so don't worry if the kid messes up the disks. That jumpsuit's gotta go though. I'm not gonna mince words no amount of detergent is gonna fix that.
Unfortunately, we live in the evil mirror universe, so in twenty years it will be illegal to even remember TV shows without having first paid $36 per episode on top of your mandatory McDisneyCola™️ subscription. And, of course, ads will be beamed directly into your brain.
Star Trek will also be illegal, because space communism.
I for one look forward to my house getting raided because I have episodes that weren't AI'd into Terran Empire war propaganda
Man... I want this to be good but it feels like the people behind Star Trek these days don't really understand the soul of it, or maybe wanting to take it to a different place for a different audience.
I will say that Paul Giamatti is my favorite actor and he elevates almost any show he's in.
I just watched the trailer and I have 2 immediate reactions:
Oh cool, Holly Hunter and Paul Giamatti are in this. That's interesting. (Paul was also in 30 Coins season 2 which was surprising. If you haven't seen 30 Coins, it's a totally batshit insane Spanish supernatural show with a bunch of weird Catholic religious mythology and body horror and all kinds of weird stuff)
Wow this really looks terrible and I have no interest in seeing it.
I don't usually read the comments on Youtube I only saw negative ones. Here are a few that sum up my feelings pretty well:
I guess it makes sense to put it where they did in the chronology. I'll give it a look after the full first season drops.
I am unlikely to watch this, but I am mildly curious what the in-universe explanation will be for The Doctor now looking like a much older Robert Picardo. I suppose whatever the explanation is (however silly) will at least be better than if they decided to digitally de-age him.
[Harry Kim wanders in, clearly in his mid-50s, still wearing a single ensign’s pip on his collar]
Doc, what’s with the new look? Don’t tell me you let the Daystrom team mess with your emitter again…
Oh, not at all, I spent quite some time working on my appearance after being offered a position at the academy. I think it adds a certain gravitas, wouldn’t you agree?
You see, EMHs age much slower than humans, so it makes perfect sense that 1000 years later he would have aged the equivalent of the time between Voyager and this show in human years. Oh and he no longer sings but definitely bangs Seven.