There's so much evil in the world right now I can't spare any negativity towards someone I don't watch a lot of, and haven't heard of any crimes against humanity about. When his network decides he...
There's so much evil in the world right now I can't spare any negativity towards someone I don't watch a lot of, and haven't heard of any crimes against humanity about. When his network decides he doesn't bring advertising dollars anymore he'll get taken off the air: in the meantime, normal if boring is good, right now. Far better that than manosphere buy gold tour Dubai war crimes blatant hate and lies.
Anyway. Here is Jimmy Fallon, in March, moving his own show time in order to be a guest at Stephen Colbert's.
Yeah, I have no love for Jimmy Fallon, I think he's a tool of the exploitative media empire, but at the same time it feels like his worst crime is just being a boring, unfunny, corporate shill....
Yeah, I have no love for Jimmy Fallon, I think he's a tool of the exploitative media empire, but at the same time it feels like his worst crime is just being a boring, unfunny, corporate shill. His show kinda feels like infomercials, not in the respect that he's trying to sell you something (which he is), but that it just feels like he's completely hollow and couldn't care less about what he's saying.
It's one of those things where I'm just like... don't watch him?
I don’t think this is true: https://movieweb.com/donald-trump-threatens-late-night-shows-stephen-colbert/ https://ca.news.yahoo.com/jimmy-fallon-skirts-trump-calls-202539269.html
I don’t think this is true:
Tellingly, Donald Trump has called for the firing of almost all of the other late night hosts—Colbert, Kimmel, even Seth Meyers—but excluded Fallon from his hit-list, because Trump recognizes that there’s nothing about Fallon’s empty banality that could be anything close to a threat.
Trump didn't leave other late-show hosts out of his tirade, choosing to go at his usual suspects, Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon, with threats that their shows could very well be next. Trump said, "Next up will be an even less talented Jimmy Kimmel, and then, a weak, and very insecure, Jimmy Fallon. The only real question is, who will go first?
Trump was a guest on Fallon’s “Tonight Show” back in 2016, and the moment went viral quickly, drawing harsh criticism as the host ruffled the president’s hair during the interview. Trump has since soured on Fallon and late night in general, and during Kimmel’s brief suspension at ABC, Trump called for NBC to follow suit and cancel “two total losers,” Fallon and Seth Meyers.
I admit the wording's a bit clunky to connect the two situations together, but what I mean is that Jimmy Fallon was being judged negatively for not being targeted by the administration, and Coward...
I admit the wording's a bit clunky to connect the two situations together, but what I mean is that Jimmy Fallon was being judged negatively for not being targeted by the administration, and Coward and co. were judging each other positively because they would have been targeted.
I like Current Affairs, but they can be pretty sloppy. Maybe it's because it's a small operation that puts out a lot of content, but that claim about Fallon being off the hit list is contradicted...
I like Current Affairs, but they can be pretty sloppy. Maybe it's because it's a small operation that puts out a lot of content, but that claim about Fallon being off the hit list is contradicted in the first hyperlink in that sentence. It doesn't change the rest of the criticism, but it's a bad look.
I've tried a few times over the years to watch Fallon. It's always felt "off", and wasn't that entertaining, and always left me feeling somewhat repelled but I could never figure out why. This...
I've tried a few times over the years to watch Fallon. It's always felt "off", and wasn't that entertaining, and always left me feeling somewhat repelled but I could never figure out why. This article might be exaggerating for effect, but I also don't think their overall thesis is wrong. I have never found Fallon funny. While watching the recent Colbert episode where they reassembled Strike Force Five, I had the same thought I had had listening to the original podcast : "why is Fallon here, he adds nothing to this".
The horror of the Tonight Show is not found in any singular problem, but in the totality of its project: the systematic replacement of the real world with a brightly lit simulation of “niceness.” Fallon is the court jester of the Anthropocene, a figure who invites us to watch celebrities play parlor games on stage while the air outside the studio begins to smell of tear gas and smoke.
Meanwhile, on the other end of this spectrum, Colbert has hosted multiple guests that have used their appearance on the show to perform poignant performance pieces that address the incredibly upsetting things happening in the US.
It would be one thing if Fallon was just not funny. He's existentially terrifying to me because he strikes me as someone who is desperate to appear to be funny to everyone. And because of that...
It would be one thing if Fallon was just not funny. He's existentially terrifying to me because he strikes me as someone who is desperate to appear to be funny to everyone. And because of that he's become as milquetoast and fundamentally hollow as humanly possible. You know how there's these robots they're making that cross into the uncanny valley? When I see Fallon, sometimes I see the opposite side of that valley.
I don't watch his show but he has the tendency to be everywhere and none of those appearances are better than what I would imagine if he were simply not there.
I see this opinion online a lot, that there is something very wrong about Jimmy Fallon. From my perspective, he seems to be a little bad at interviewing, and maybe seems a little bit phony. But I...
I see this opinion online a lot, that there is something very wrong about Jimmy Fallon. From my perspective, he seems to be a little bad at interviewing, and maybe seems a little bit phony. But I also have seen him do impressions, including impressions of musicians, and I've been pretty impressed. So he's not my favorite host, but also I don't find him all that objectionable as a human.
The other day people were talking about Colbert and some people really dislike him too. I was also surprised about that, because Colbert doesn't seem phony at all and is a pretty good interviewer.
Personally I like Conan the best, even though he often talks about himself too much in interviews. I haven't watched Kimmel enough to form much of an opinion, but I remember him from The Man Show when he appeared to be a much different person.
Edit: I read the article after initially posting this, and the article mentions Dick Cavett. If you haven't done this before, I think it is very useful to go look up some old Dick Cavett interviews on youtube. The kinds of discussions that occured on that show are such a contrast to now that it's simply shocking. It's very interesting to see Marlon Brando or John Lennon or Muhammad Ali discuss serious topics without a lot of interruption. I've seen contemporary criticism of Cavett that paints him as a self-absorbed name-dropper, but his show and the format are a lot more interesting than most of the low attention-span stuff that is on now.
I respect that everybody is entitled to their opinion, and that comedy is different things to different people. And for me, I have never found any humor from Jimmy Fallon. I understand logically...
I respect that everybody is entitled to their opinion, and that comedy is different things to different people. And for me, I have never found any humor from Jimmy Fallon. I understand logically why I should find him amusing, but I don’t and I never have. I don’t dislike Jimmy Fallon. I nothing Jimmy Fallon. He never randomly crosses my mind.
I had to google them to remember which one was jimmy kimmel and which one was jimmy fallon. Now that I’m not looking at google, I no longer remember which one is which.
I had to google them to remember which one was jimmy kimmel and which one was jimmy fallon. Now that I’m not looking at google, I no longer remember which one is which.
You know, we've seen for a long time talk about the impending death of late night tv, but the thing that's confused me about it is that we talk about it as if it's something that's going to...
You know, we've seen for a long time talk about the impending death of late night tv, but the thing that's confused me about it is that we talk about it as if it's something that's going to happen, or is in the process of happening. It's already happened though. Jimmy Fallon is just not a relevant figure in almost anyone's life. Writers and politicians talk about him and people like him way more than the average person think about him.
I think that's because those people are generally old, and they don't even realize that the world they think they live in is already gone. Jimmy Fallon gets about 1.2m viewers per episode on average apparently.
There are literally thousands of YouTube channels with more subscribers than that. Most of them clear more than 1.2m viewers for every video they post. And that's just one platform. There are at least a dozen other very popular ones worldwide.
In the grand scheme of things, late night tv as a category of entertainment is a totally culturally irrelevant artifact of a bygone era. The only time anyone outside of its core viewership hears about it is if there's some massive political drama surrounding it, like when Trump yanked Jimmy Kimmel off the air. Other than that though, when's the last time someone said "hey did you hear what Jimmy Fallon said last night?" while in a normal conversation? I'm sure it happens, but certainly not in the circles I run in, and I think thsts probably true for most people.
There are so many articles and think pieces that analyze it as if late night talk shows are somehow a bellwether of the future of society though, when in actuality its the complete opposite. Using Jimmy Fallon to divine where society is going is like examining horse drawn carriage design for clues about how far along we are with fusion energy research.
Jimmy Fallon will continue doing the same thing until he retires, and then someone else will probably take his place and do the same thing he did, just like you can ride in a carriage around in some tourist destinations for fun. It will continue to not be a significant cultural force though.
To be fair on your YouTube argument, The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon has 34 million subscribers on YouTube. Are your examples posting 4-5 videos a week with 1 million+ views?
To be fair on your YouTube argument, The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon has 34 million subscribers on YouTube.
Are your examples posting 4-5 videos a week with 1 million+ views?
Despite the annoyingly performative nature of his onscreen rapport with guests, I've seen it mentioned that he's personally quite likeable. Maybe that plays into how his banality has endured. The...
Despite the annoyingly performative nature of his onscreen rapport with guests, I've seen it mentioned that he's personally quite likeable. Maybe that plays into how his banality has endured.
The single most amazing thing to me about Jimmy Fallon is that he has gotten The Roots beamed into American living rooms for over a decade and a half. It's tough to quantify the social impact that may have had on The Tonight Show's target demographic but it's also probably easy to underestimate. It's also among the unlikeliest of scenarios one could dream up, if you know anything about The Roots.
Roots frontman Tariq Trotter, a.k.a. Black Thought, is quite literally the best rapper alive, by the way.
Them brothers said, "Don't go from written bars filled with rage
To primetime television and your gilded cage
Then forget it's people in the world still enslaved."
I barb-wire my wrist and let it fill the page
I like Fallon. Can't say I find him funny, but I find his show fun. He doesn't rely on humor as much as having fun with guests. All the games and music are kinda fun. Which is why more than a few...
I like Fallon. Can't say I find him funny, but I find his show fun. He doesn't rely on humor as much as having fun with guests. All the games and music are kinda fun. Which is why more than a few have been spun off into their own shows.
Also The Roots are an incredible band and Fallon put them more in the limelight. Questlove and Black Thought are skilled and talented, but undoubtedly reached more people because Fallon put them on his shows. He seems to have a real interest in music which is a plus in my book.
I don't really follow Fallon, but from little I've seen of him on SNL, the late night shows, and various informal interviews... he does genuinely laugh a lot. It's probably played up a bit for the show, but not completely disingenuous.
I get that people are off put by him, but i feel like people are especially harsh towards him.
Yea he doesn't get political and he's an okay comedian at best. But he does try to make his guests feel welcome. As far as I can tell he's always been respectful and nice to guests. He doesn't try to mock or attack guests. There's plenty of examples of funny/good late night hosts who have made some guests feel unwelcome, to say the least.
I get that he's a target because of his platform, but there's far worse people that deserve negative attention.
NBC never should have had Fallon do anything political at all. Instead, The Tonight Show should have been a simple variety show with two celebs (on at the same time), a comedian, a music act, etc...
NBC never should have had Fallon do anything political at all. Instead, The Tonight Show should have been a simple variety show with two celebs (on at the same time), a comedian, a music act, etc —- just play games and have fun and give the viewers a simple, mindless show to fall asleep to.
I don't have a strong opinion on Fallon specifically--the last show of this format I was able to stomach was Conan O'Brien's Late Show in the 90s/00s, but I will say that I absolutely love the...
I don't have a strong opinion on Fallon specifically--the last show of this format I was able to stomach was Conan O'Brien's Late Show in the 90s/00s, but I will say that I absolutely love the writing in this article. The language in this passage really jumped out at me:
As Altman offers up the future of his own offspring to the black box of his company’s large language model, Fallon’s grin never wavers. It is the ultimate Gothic inversion: the living child is transformed into a data set to be optimized, while the host performs a pantomime of joy to mask the sound of a tomb clicking shut.
There's so much evil in the world right now I can't spare any negativity towards someone I don't watch a lot of, and haven't heard of any crimes against humanity about. When his network decides he doesn't bring advertising dollars anymore he'll get taken off the air: in the meantime, normal if boring is good, right now. Far better that than manosphere buy gold tour Dubai war crimes blatant hate and lies.
Anyway. Here is Jimmy Fallon, in March, moving his own show time in order to be a guest at Stephen Colbert's.
Yeah, I have no love for Jimmy Fallon, I think he's a tool of the exploitative media empire, but at the same time it feels like his worst crime is just being a boring, unfunny, corporate shill. His show kinda feels like infomercials, not in the respect that he's trying to sell you something (which he is), but that it just feels like he's completely hollow and couldn't care less about what he's saying.
It's one of those things where I'm just like... don't watch him?
I don’t think this is true:
https://movieweb.com/donald-trump-threatens-late-night-shows-stephen-colbert/
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/jimmy-fallon-skirts-trump-calls-202539269.html
This is like when British writers and entertainers found out who was on the secret SS death list after WWII and started judging each other.
It sounds like your quote is directly contradicting this? They were proud of being on the list.
I admit the wording's a bit clunky to connect the two situations together, but what I mean is that Jimmy Fallon was being judged negatively for not being targeted by the administration, and Coward and co. were judging each other positively because they would have been targeted.
I like Current Affairs, but they can be pretty sloppy. Maybe it's because it's a small operation that puts out a lot of content, but that claim about Fallon being off the hit list is contradicted in the first hyperlink in that sentence. It doesn't change the rest of the criticism, but it's a bad look.
I've tried a few times over the years to watch Fallon. It's always felt "off", and wasn't that entertaining, and always left me feeling somewhat repelled but I could never figure out why. This article might be exaggerating for effect, but I also don't think their overall thesis is wrong. I have never found Fallon funny. While watching the recent Colbert episode where they reassembled Strike Force Five, I had the same thought I had had listening to the original podcast : "why is Fallon here, he adds nothing to this".
Meanwhile, on the other end of this spectrum, Colbert has hosted multiple guests that have used their appearance on the show to perform poignant performance pieces that address the incredibly upsetting things happening in the US.
It would be one thing if Fallon was just not funny. He's existentially terrifying to me because he strikes me as someone who is desperate to appear to be funny to everyone. And because of that he's become as milquetoast and fundamentally hollow as humanly possible. You know how there's these robots they're making that cross into the uncanny valley? When I see Fallon, sometimes I see the opposite side of that valley.
I don't watch his show but he has the tendency to be everywhere and none of those appearances are better than what I would imagine if he were simply not there.
I see this opinion online a lot, that there is something very wrong about Jimmy Fallon. From my perspective, he seems to be a little bad at interviewing, and maybe seems a little bit phony. But I also have seen him do impressions, including impressions of musicians, and I've been pretty impressed. So he's not my favorite host, but also I don't find him all that objectionable as a human.
The other day people were talking about Colbert and some people really dislike him too. I was also surprised about that, because Colbert doesn't seem phony at all and is a pretty good interviewer.
Personally I like Conan the best, even though he often talks about himself too much in interviews. I haven't watched Kimmel enough to form much of an opinion, but I remember him from The Man Show when he appeared to be a much different person.
Edit: I read the article after initially posting this, and the article mentions Dick Cavett. If you haven't done this before, I think it is very useful to go look up some old Dick Cavett interviews on youtube. The kinds of discussions that occured on that show are such a contrast to now that it's simply shocking. It's very interesting to see Marlon Brando or John Lennon or Muhammad Ali discuss serious topics without a lot of interruption. I've seen contemporary criticism of Cavett that paints him as a self-absorbed name-dropper, but his show and the format are a lot more interesting than most of the low attention-span stuff that is on now.
I respect that everybody is entitled to their opinion, and that comedy is different things to different people. And for me, I have never found any humor from Jimmy Fallon. I understand logically why I should find him amusing, but I don’t and I never have. I don’t dislike Jimmy Fallon. I nothing Jimmy Fallon. He never randomly crosses my mind.
I had to google them to remember which one was jimmy kimmel and which one was jimmy fallon. Now that I’m not looking at google, I no longer remember which one is which.
Fallon is the Jimmy on an ice cream pint.
Is he the guy on Stephen Colbert's Americone Dream?
You know, we've seen for a long time talk about the impending death of late night tv, but the thing that's confused me about it is that we talk about it as if it's something that's going to happen, or is in the process of happening. It's already happened though. Jimmy Fallon is just not a relevant figure in almost anyone's life. Writers and politicians talk about him and people like him way more than the average person think about him.
I think that's because those people are generally old, and they don't even realize that the world they think they live in is already gone. Jimmy Fallon gets about 1.2m viewers per episode on average apparently.
There are literally thousands of YouTube channels with more subscribers than that. Most of them clear more than 1.2m viewers for every video they post. And that's just one platform. There are at least a dozen other very popular ones worldwide.
In the grand scheme of things, late night tv as a category of entertainment is a totally culturally irrelevant artifact of a bygone era. The only time anyone outside of its core viewership hears about it is if there's some massive political drama surrounding it, like when Trump yanked Jimmy Kimmel off the air. Other than that though, when's the last time someone said "hey did you hear what Jimmy Fallon said last night?" while in a normal conversation? I'm sure it happens, but certainly not in the circles I run in, and I think thsts probably true for most people.
There are so many articles and think pieces that analyze it as if late night talk shows are somehow a bellwether of the future of society though, when in actuality its the complete opposite. Using Jimmy Fallon to divine where society is going is like examining horse drawn carriage design for clues about how far along we are with fusion energy research.
Jimmy Fallon will continue doing the same thing until he retires, and then someone else will probably take his place and do the same thing he did, just like you can ride in a carriage around in some tourist destinations for fun. It will continue to not be a significant cultural force though.
To be fair on your YouTube argument, The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon has 34 million subscribers on YouTube.
Are your examples posting 4-5 videos a week with 1 million+ views?
Despite the annoyingly performative nature of his onscreen rapport with guests, I've seen it mentioned that he's personally quite likeable. Maybe that plays into how his banality has endured.
The single most amazing thing to me about Jimmy Fallon is that he has gotten The Roots beamed into American living rooms for over a decade and a half. It's tough to quantify the social impact that may have had on The Tonight Show's target demographic but it's also probably easy to underestimate. It's also among the unlikeliest of scenarios one could dream up, if you know anything about The Roots.
Roots frontman Tariq Trotter, a.k.a. Black Thought, is quite literally the best rapper alive, by the way.
I like Fallon. Can't say I find him funny, but I find his show fun. He doesn't rely on humor as much as having fun with guests. All the games and music are kinda fun. Which is why more than a few have been spun off into their own shows.
Also The Roots are an incredible band and Fallon put them more in the limelight. Questlove and Black Thought are skilled and talented, but undoubtedly reached more people because Fallon put them on his shows. He seems to have a real interest in music which is a plus in my book.
I don't really follow Fallon, but from little I've seen of him on SNL, the late night shows, and various informal interviews... he does genuinely laugh a lot. It's probably played up a bit for the show, but not completely disingenuous.
I get that people are off put by him, but i feel like people are especially harsh towards him.
Yea he doesn't get political and he's an okay comedian at best. But he does try to make his guests feel welcome. As far as I can tell he's always been respectful and nice to guests. He doesn't try to mock or attack guests. There's plenty of examples of funny/good late night hosts who have made some guests feel unwelcome, to say the least.
I get that he's a target because of his platform, but there's far worse people that deserve negative attention.
You did not read the article did you? It addresses everything and even your particular reaction.
Nope was just reacting to the comments
It's almost a meme about how Fallon ruins everything, but honestly, that boy ain't right.
NBC never should have had Fallon do anything political at all. Instead, The Tonight Show should have been a simple variety show with two celebs (on at the same time), a comedian, a music act, etc —- just play games and have fun and give the viewers a simple, mindless show to fall asleep to.
I don't have a strong opinion on Fallon specifically--the last show of this format I was able to stomach was Conan O'Brien's Late Show in the 90s/00s, but I will say that I absolutely love the writing in this article. The language in this passage really jumped out at me:
Honestly the turn of phrase in the article is what made me want to post it for others to appreciate ;)