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Minecraft Wiki strongly considering moving away from Fandom
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- Title
- Official Minecraft wiki editors so furious at Fandom's 'degraded' functionality and popups they're overwhelmingly voting to leave the site
- Authors
- Rich Stanton
- Published
- Jul 10 2023
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- 895 words
Big fan of the prospect of leaving. The enshittification of Fandom has kept me away from wikis I used to frequent more and more. When the MC wiki was on gamepedia, it was one of my favorites, but now, not so much.
On a related note, what are your favorite wikis (game or otherwise)? The article mentions wiki.gg, which hosts some nice wikis, but my personal fave right now is the Caves of Qud Wiki, which mimics the UI of the game.
The path of exile wiki became absolutely useless not long after the Fandom transition. We have a seperate, much better maintained wiki for it now.
It's just crazy to me that so many wiki are still slogging through the awful user experience that is Fandom. I might be able to tolerate it more if they didn't shoehorn in recommended stuff from other wikis I have zero interest in and had a mobile site that actually worked. The constant page loads that set my browsing to the top of the page and finiky search on mobile feel so bad.
Maybe I'm just dense, but why does it seem like every site is hell bent on making a worse user experience? All the wikis that Fandom has now used to actually be pleasant.
It’s a combination of Wikia actively trying to corner the market on fanwikis (such as by buying Gamepedia) and the difficulty of hosting a wiki site yourself. It’s understandable that fans who aren’t technically inclined just want a centralized, simple solution that’s better than using Discord to store all their community’s info. However, with the way the company has been acting and the constant barrage of ads that only seems to be getting worse, I hope more people will figure out ways to reduce their reliance on Wikia.
You know, so many problems caused by centralization boil down to this. Perhaps what we need to do, in the long run, is make it way easier to host sites yourself?
Like, maybe what we really need is a very noob-friendly distro whose sole job is to be 1) easily installed on old PCs with a friendly interface, 2) intelligently explain to the user what they need to be able to host stuff (e.g. enable fort forwarding for XYZ), and 3) (optionally) give them the ability to delegate their new server resources to someone else who's more willing to do the technical stuff.
Or, to go back a step, there are a couple of problems this is trying to solve:
You know, the old adage that "the cloud is just someone else's computer" isn't quite accurate - "the cloud" means a computer that nobody owns, since it's in some data centre owned by some corporation.
Usually it’s a matter of pushing users to their respective app where they can be more easily tracked and/or otherwise monetized.
Features users want don’t make money and sometimes actively cost money. Features that make money (ads and data harvesting) aren’t features users want. It’s a fundamental problem with every site that also wants to be a business.
See also Reddit.
I think the path of exile wiki should be a sign of what to expect when changing wikis. Yes, the fandom wiki dominates the SEO and makes it annoying to search, but these search engines better catch on quick if this becomes more common than just path of exile, because whichever search engine starts to prioritize updated wikis will soon see fandom falling out of favor for the alternatives and that search engine will gain a pretty good reputation boost over the dinosaur search engine showing outdated fandom wikis. The path of exile fandom wiki is perpetually out of date, there's so much data and information in the game and enough updates and changes that it takes key contributors to keep things up to date. Minecraft seems like quite a comprehensive game as well that I imagine has similar depth of information to keep track of and if the vast majority of editors/contributors are onboard with switching, any remaining ones will soon feel the burden of keeping things up to date to be too much and abandon it.
Also it helps for path of exile that it was in Grinding Gear Games interest to host the wiki and keep it alive without dealing with potential funding issues as another commenter here has mentioned some other self-hosted wikis run into.
Presumably Microsoft/Mojang should see a lot of value to having a well-kept wiki available for the game and pull a similar move as GGG to remove the financial issues of hosting a wiki.
I will add one caveat to otherwise high praise I have for the path of exile wiki, maybe I'm just dumb, but it seems a lot of it is not really maintainable by the average user as either it requires some kind of lua scripting knowledge or something else about it that I just dont understand. You seemingly can't just edit the pages right at the spot where a lot of the information is displayed and my understanding is in many if not all of those cases it might be using some automated or semi-automated method of pulling in data from the game or other source but on multiple occasions I've had the correct data to put in where it otherwise wasn't populated on the page (in some cases for months), but had no way of actually getting the correct data to display because I didn't know how.
I not sure it ever went into effect but back when I was contributing to the wiki there was talk about integrating it with poedb.tw to have the info for a lot of skills and items pulled automatically each patch as the data miners dump the data to poedb.
Poedb by itself is incredibly useful IF (and big if) you can make sense of the overwhelming amount of data on it. Having it digesting down into tables on the wiki for a general user is a dream. Ive been out of the poe scene for a little while though so maybe that transition is old news. Could explain the wiki being confusing to edit.
I'll be honest, unless that search engine is Google, I heavily doubt any result is going to matter for the vast majority of people in the western world. Google is no longer even actively noticed as the search engine you're using. You're just searching for stuff. Much like Google Chrome has become "the internet".
I get the cynicism, but what I'm talking about is an overarching issue in results that would make the search engine more visible. What you're saying is the search engine is invisible, and part of that is that the results between search engines don't differ enough to matter. Google is "good enough" for most people that they don't question it. However if you have path of exile players who google something, end up on a fandom page that is outdated and then leads the player down a bad path that ruins their experience, and they end up finding out Google search screwed them, and then they also happen to be a Minecraft player and search that and get led to a fandom wiki that ends up being outdated and it ruins their Minecraft experience, these all add up. Then they look for results for something else and when the subreddit is closed that houses an answer to a search and Google can't surface any alternative websites that offer answers, if there happens to be another search engine that can, again, these repeated failures of Google will begin to work against them.
It's a culmination of all of these things that could bring a search engine's reputation down big time, where one of them will potentially be seen as a relic of the past, a dinosaur that can't keep up, if another is able to adapt and provide relevant results that Google can't. It won't happen overnight, just like reddit didn't die overnight, but if it does happen, it will be because Google repeatedly is behind the curve, just like it was with ChatGPT.
Of course it's possible there's other issues in the space that will prevent competition from being better than Google, even if Google fails at every turn, at which point there wouldn't be any incentive for people to switch off Google, but I'm just stating this is the kind of thing that opens up the window for competitors to take Google's marketshare if there are competitors available to take advantage of it.
And so much flashing crap. Ads, chat, video ads.
You're a game wiki. You're open on 2nd monitors or tabbed out. Don't be distracting or hog resources. If you had static image ads, I wouldn't give a shit. But it's like a strobe light out of the corner of my eye if I don't remember to change tabs every fucking time I look something up.
Also, on mobile half the screen is an auto play video that is not super easy to close.
Hands down UESP. Great quality of information, lots of it too. Fandom's wiki can't compete.
MC wiki moving to Fandom was a massive disappointment. I was a fan of the Gamepedia wiki's style and how much more responsive it felt. Now its Fandom iteration needs to ask me if I'm an adult every time I open a page.
Shoutout to The Cutting Room Floor. You can easily get into a rabbit hole of reading about cut content from all kinds of games.
I mentioned it on another thread talking wikis the other day - the Old School RuneScape wiki is top-notch. The software itself is just mediawiki, and it's funded by Jagex so they don't need ads, but the best part is the data integration - anything that involves item prices will pull from live market data, which also auto-updates formulas. That way, things like money-making processes will always be up-to-date
I respect the hell out of any dev team willing to pay for the wiki upkeep for their games. I wish more companies would do it. At least for live service games like mmos where the wiki is an inconsequential cost to them compared to the value it brings the community.
Moderation is going to be a much bigger cost than hosting here. If you're running the wiki, then you're ultimately the last resort for user and content disputes. Assuming you're a somewhat large company, that's likely at least one employee who has to deal with this. Plus, you could get criticism for how you run the wiki. Do you allow discussion of exploits? etc
Not just for Old School Runescape, but also the main game. Even way before the split (2005-2006), the RS Wiki community already had a track record of excellence, and so they've brought that culture wherever they go, from RS3 to Old School, from Fandom to their own servers. It's a truly awesome thing the more you ponder it; Runescape players might sometimes take it for granted, but not every wiki gets it this good.
I feel like this is a good time and place to highlight this: even with funding, the RS Wiki maintainers are actually just scraping by. See:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Forum:Funding_the_wikis
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Forum:Funding_the_wikis (redirects to the above)
Running the wiki looks to be a thankless job, and yet even in this situation, the maintainers are looking to be prudent and democratic about the whole process. If nothing else, it really hammers in the point how much they truly care.
I was a long time RS Wiki user and I stalked the "Yew Grove" ( the wiki discussion boards) literally a decade ago, and I want to say it's the hard work of a ton of people, particularly Gaz and Cook Me Plox, who have worked tirelessly, even back in the time when Jagex literally refused to recognize them as a fan website. Jagex even at one point tried to create their own self-hosted wiki fork hosted on Runescape.com.
Like, I can remember when the new Money Making Guide launched with a list of activities you could do with a calculation of the GP generated based on a calculation of items produced times price. That was revolutionary for an online game guide; the previous version just listed various activities by skill and was highly inaccurate.
Shout out too to Jagex too, who eventually pulled their head out of their ass, realized what the Wiki was doing for the game, and when the community had enough of Wikia's (now Fandom's) piss poor support and obnoxious features, put their money where their mouth was for the infrastructure to do it. And the RS community on reddit also helped, by basically switching every link (and banning links to the Wikia URL) overnight to support the SEO of the fork. They even built browser addons to block the old site from search results.
But yeah, the Runescape Wiki is literally the only thing that makes RuneScape an actually playable game, and that's thanks to the effort of tens of thousands of people over 20 years, and particularly a few hard core supporters who have done an incredible amount of work to create a world class resource that any game could envy.
Like, given that RuneScape was almost the only game I played for many years, getting used to other games's wikis being hot garbage by comparison was a real adjustment
I really like "A Wiki of Ice and Fire", the community wiki for GRR Martins A Song of Ice and Fire Series.
Its incredibly well documented, covers the books first, but also discusses the TV series, and games (video, board, and card). Has artwork of a lot of characters, primary, secondary, tertiary and sometimes even further than that.
The wiki also displays the banners for a ton of houses and even includes the heraldic language to describe the banner (for example the Starks is "Argent, a direwolf courant cendrée").
Its also not a Fandom wiki, but is, I believe, a MediaWiki which seems to have a lot less ads and those that are there are fairly non-intrusive.
Either way, it's a ton of fun and a huge timesink.
Westeros.org (who houses A Wiki of Ice and Fire) is one of the better fandom wikis on the entire internet. It alongside The 17th Shard's Coppermind for Brandon Sanderson's Cosmere universe have been a timesink for me for countless hours. A good fan wiki can be almost a work of art in its own right.
Edit: Another wonderful wiki is TolkienGateway which is a wonderful resource for the books.
2nd Edit: All three of the above wikis are hosted by MediaWiki to my surprise. It seems this company lends itself to a much higher quality website than Fandom does.
Coppermind is an absolutely godsend for anyone reading through the cosmere. And I agree that is it one of the best wikis around. The time machine feature is such an incredible idea and a beautiful way to avoid spoilers.
Yeah, I made that comment thinking I'd then put my phone on charge, and go read my book before bed but I've just spent the past 40 minutes browsing the Wiki of Ice and Fire, it's a dangerous rabbit hole!
Similar to A Wiki of Ice and Fire vs. A Song of Ice and Fire (shitty Fandom one), there is also Tolkien Gateway vs. One Wiki to Rule Them All (shitty Fandom one).
Similarly, the Fextralife wikis (mostly for games by From Software) are so much better than the Fandom wikis for each game.
What's interesting is that with some of their flagship wikis (like wookiepedia) they restrain themselves a litte. I assumed these are like loss leaders, to get the fandom name out there so that other wikis will sign up and get the full enshittified version. I'd have thought the minecraft wiki would have been big enough to avoid that.
Has wowpedia migrated again yet?
Oh yeah, completely forgot about wookiepedia. The one good wikia wiki.
The Homestar Runner Wiki is one of the most extensive I've ever seen. The wiki is so good, that the creators themselves have used it for things they have forgotten, and even made references to it in official content. Also, a friend of mine, who is blind, is able to partake in the fandom due to how good the descriptions and transcription are. You just don't see that level of commitment to detail very much, and especially not from anything on Fandom.
Apart from those already mentioned in this thread, here are the ones I've used that have awed me with the amount of effort to ensure that the information is high quality:
Memory Alpha, the Star Trek wiki. It's got a ridiculous amount of behind-the-scenes info, among other things. In fact, the producers themselves have mentioned using it for research. (During the It's A Wrap! sale and auction, IIRC.)
I would love to see it get off of the Fandom website.
The Guild Wars 2 wiki is pretty much the best game wiki I've ever used. Extremely comprehensive (I actually don't know what's in the game that is not covered in the wiki), and kept up-to-date. Even has some dynamic parts that auto-update based on in-game-world data, like trading post prices.
The term was coined for some longer term trends describing the changes to Amazon marketplace and TikTok, so I think it's just the fact that it now has a label has brought it to your attention that this is a trend and not just individual site screwups.
That and the increased pressure from investors to make profits that compete with no-longer-0 interest rates has meant some sites have been taking more short term decisions and more mistakes than historically.
The term was mainly proliferated by the excellent Cory Doctorow on his blog in Jan of this year: https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys
The term had been used before that, but that blog really made it stick, as the last year or so in particular we're watching so many huge entities like Twitter TikTok and Reddit enshittify themselves.
feel free to mark this as off-topic/noise but your link is screwed up, it points to this same thread. you probably want something like
[Caves of Qud Wiki](https://wiki.cavesofqud.com).Every time I find myself on a Fandom wiki without AdBlock I feel like a 19th century British explorer chopping away at jungle underbrush with my machete.
Not to mention how related articles will include one or two from the IP you're looking at and then ten more from barely related wikis.
Perfect description haha.
Fandom with no adblocker is genuinely unusable on smaller screens... which includes just about everything that can't easily use adblocker.
Firefox on android does have ublock support which covers some small screens.
It takes a little work but if you make a private addon collection on your mozzila account you can get 99% of Firefox addon to work on mobile regardless if they specifically support it or not. I've been doing that for a couple years and it's great.
In the advanced settings just change the custom addon collection to your custom one then go to addon settings and tap install on each one. Not very convenient, but it does work.
I almost always use an ad blocker, so I didn't realise how bad fandom was until I recently tried to use it from a different browser.
I always use an adblocker so I can't comment on that - but their cookie settings design is really assholeish too. You have to disable every single cookie by hand, which takes ages (the cookie list is huge). A lot of of sites do this but the Fandom website takes the cake with its amount of cookies. It makes the website unusable for me.
Call me crazy, but I think it used to be a lot worse. Maybe, as others have said, they restrain themselves a bit more on the flagship wikis, but I don't feel like I take quite the CPU hit opening the site that I used to.
Or maybe it's just Firefox's native privacy protection settings.
I still miss the old Minecraft wiki. It was sad to see it fall into the ad-ridden vortex of Wikia like so many others when Gamepedia got bought out, and I hope the wiki editors succeed in migrating to Miraheze or another service. Fandom was already nigh-unreadable without adblock, and ideally I also use Breezewiki to filter out the irrelevant clickbait on each page. Even without the predatory behavior of the company, that would be reason enough to move away from Fandom as a platform. If the maintainers of the Minecraft wiki are concerned about visibility, they can look into getting listed on Indie Wiki Buddy, which is a directory of fanwikis that aren’t on Fandom.
Breezewiki is so nice, not only does it make the pages way more tolerable but it will also let you know if there is an independent wiki available that you can look at in place of the Fandom wiki.
I'm glad to see Miraheze mentioned here. I was concerned when, recently, they almost had to shut down. Fortunately it seems like they found a path forward, because they're pretty great.
Fandom is basically unusable on mobile without Breezewiki.
The Libredirect extension makes it really easy to never land on the original sites anymore.
The folks over the RuneScape Wiki migrated away from Fandom a couple of years back, to running their own self-hosted solution (which, admittedly, has faced significant financial issues). It would probably only make sense if Mojang/Microsoft bankrolled the effort, which I think they should if that were the approach. A useful, independent resource for players is an invaluable asset, especially in a game like Minecraft built around interactions that might not be obvious to newer players.
How on earth does one need 40k in loans to run a wiki? And for that matter, why is the site going down for 8 hours considered to be the end of the world? They seriously need to rethink why they need (multiple) full-time employees...
As an aside, what is a reasonable cost to run a MediaWiki instance? I'm tempted to say $100 or $200 / month but don't have a great sense of how hosting scales with traffic.
In fairness, they are serving ~1.5 billion views per-year, and they seem to be dedicated to having a great experience 1. Here's a (probably old) breakdown of their costs.
Between this and the recent reddit fiasco, I'm sure we're all familiar with the concept of enshittification and how it is degrading the internet as a whole. But I sorta wonder if the consolidation we have seen in the last several years is nearing a breaking point. If we could see the migration of small, niche forums away from reddit and back to bespoke sites and a similar migration of wikis aways from centralization, I think the internet would be an objectively better place. I don't know if such a tipping point is close or is even possible, but a man can hope.
Also, as an aside, it fills me with a dark sort of humor to read an article talking about the kinds of intrusive ads the prompted this conversation and be assaulted by exactly the same ads in on the page. After months of trying to find one, I finally have a raspberry pi on it way, and the pi hole can't come soon enough.
Yeah, I got spammed with a pop up that was spamming me to to ask if I want to get spammed with spam spamifications, I said "No" and it reminded me to go into Firefox settings and disable web sites asking me if I want to get spammed with spamifications. See
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/push-notifications-firefox
I'm left wondering what the hell they were thinking when they added that feature. I mean, who isn't already getting orders of magnitude more spamifications than they want?
What I don't understand is who the spamifications actually work on. Nothing makes me want to buy a product less than an ad interrupting something I was doing. To the point that I've seen an ad, thought a product might be useful, and purposely searched out a competitor to buy from. Just to avoid rewarding an ad of any kind. But they clearly work on someone. Who is rewarding this behavior?
Sometimes it is a matter of degree.
I go to the local reuse center looking for “deals” every week, if there is some cool piece of A/V equipment at a good price (say a minidisc player or a $1200 set of speakers for $40) I don’t want to miss it.
I used to like getting emails from Best Buy about clearance items, back before the pandemic they really had good deals but when they realized people would be inside using their A/V gear and the supply chain issues came there just weren’t any good deals.
Even brands like that that I like will send me far more emails than I can process. That’s true about Target, Michael’s and many stores that I like and shop at frequently.
Then there is the vast range of subprime attention thieves like Outbrain, Temu, YouTube’s pop ups to subscribe to a premium service that are all in competition for the “most rejected offer of all the time”.
The vast amount of emails is an interesting point I hadn't thought about, but it's sort of the same lines. I get so many that I literally don't even see them anymore. My main email is a Gmail account, so they get automatically filtered into a separate catagory in my inbox and I don't get notifications for them. So unless I actually go look at that folder, I don't ever even see them. And I can't imagine I'm alone in that.
Unfortunately, I don't think it costs much of anything to send out mass emails like that. So even if they get a single sale out of it, and I'm sure they do, it would be worth their time. Google (or whoever is providing the mass email services) could cut down the spam massively by charging for them. Even a fraction of a penny per recipient would make the sender have some skin in the game and keep them from spamming out a million emails for a few paltry replies or sales.
In the deep past (circa 2000) I was involved in some email campaigns that got high response rates and were staggeringly profitable. A FOAF knew a garden plant grower who had trouble with his marketing channels but had a list of 6000 high rolling garden enthusiasts, we sent out one blast that sold $30,000 of very nice plants in 24 hours. Contrast that to the famous garden catalog that cuts a $1 million check to the USPS every season.
The thing is commerce can make people happy. My neurodivergence makes dressing well a struggle but I bought a shirt at Target that I’ve gotten about 10 compliments about, if you can connect people to the right product you can make them happy. Even from the viewpoint of wanting to make money at email marketing too much spam is ‘pissing in the pool’ and making customers harder to reach.
I think that's the crux of the matter. The ROI on it may be complete trash, but it's so cheap that it remains profitable. The same can be said for robocalls and all of the dumb flyers that clog our mailboxes.
In some cases, I think business owners myopically want to do something to generate business, and they get sold on these crappy methods of advertisement.
It almost seems impossible to go back to those days without some major change in search engines. How do you even find those bespoke sites and wikis etc.? The search engines would sooner peddle you garbage than get you to these smaller communities and sites.
It's more that the search engines seem to have either slowed down or stopped their cat-and-mouse game. The reason Google fills you 1-2 pages of AI-generated spam pages for every single video game / cooking / health related query (and has a 3000+ word page for every item in every quest in every game!) is because Google has stopped updating their ranking algo long enough so that the spammers could blackbox-analyse it to truly figure out to get to the top instantly.
The same is happening at Bing though, albeit to a lesser degree. And by extension at DDG.
It feels like until 5-6 years ago these companies constantly fiddled with their ranking algorithms, which made analysing by sheer experimentation difficult. Now that they've "finalized" their algorithm, it didn't take long for someone to figure out how to cheat it.
I don't know the answer to this, but I wonder if search engines won't come around to it naturally as a result of a change in peoples web browsing habits. Initially it will be hard, but the the die hard fans of whatever niche hobby will put in the work to find a place to discuss their hobby. And since they are the ones that are creating the content, the new content will be where ever they land. As time passes and the content and information on the old sites grows stale, wouldn't the algorithm will begin to show people the smaller sites?
I genuinely don't know how it will work, but I see potential for something similar in the space of online recipes. It's become ubiquitous to have several paragraphs before a recipe full of useless information simply to game the search algorithm. But it's gotten to the point now where if a page doesn't have a "Jump to recipe" button at the top of the page, I back out and find another. So the paragraphs of info that every website has packed in are no longer driving the time on the site, so eventually they could become less important to the algorithm.
At least I hope.
I've been thinking about looking into viable it would be to self-host a personal search engine. In theory, you could build a site that searches known good sites (or even highly prioritizes them).
You can build a lean frontend very easily. You can keep it lightweight by skipping ads, tracking, and the other junk that is on every modern website. You can also easily personalize it - keep it simple with only a search box and results...or make it into your perfect home page with links, rss feeds, etc. You could also easily add a "try this search in duckduckgo/google/bing" for when you aren't finding the right thing.
The first tricky part would be the backend. Off the top of my head, the two ways to do it would be crawling sites yourself or filtering results from existing search APIs. I think going with APIs would be better - don't reinvent the wheel. One way would be to do a search for the term, then filter results based on an allowlist/denylist or some other criteria. The other way would be to add
site:foo.comto a number of API queries, then smash them together. That could get out of hand very quickly, but I'm sure there are tricks that could help out. Maybe have a number of common categories that all have a relevant site allowlist. So for example, you could have a "Search Programming" button that might craft a query from stackoverflow, github, the python docs, etc - and then a "Search Gaming" button that hits up steam, game wikis, your favorite review site, etc.The second tricky bit would actually be figuring out the criteria for good sites. A denylist seems like a poor choice, given there will always be new websites that would have to be blocked. A whitelist seems better, but you would likely have scaling problems alongside growth problems - how do you find new good websites if you only look at known good websites? Perhaps theres some other thing you can filter on - but its hard to tell.
Anyways. An interesting concept that I'd probably explore if I didn't have a job.
You are describing searX. Almost exactly, in fact.
If they go through with it, they'd be in good company. Non-Fandom wikis and especially wikis that left Fandom are a casual interest of mine, with a long-time favorite being the first one to leave, the Transformers Wiki.
A more recent case I've found fascinating is Zelda Wiki, which began as an independent, even being a founding member of the Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance (NIWA). It maintained it's membership in NIWA through a migration to Gamepedia, Gamepedia's purchase and integration with Fandom itself, and Fandom merging it's existing Zelda community into it. They finally broke away last October, apparently after expulsion from NIWA became a real possibility and frustrations with Fandom became too strong to ignore. Being an outside observer, it was a strange saga to witness, but I'm happy it finally concluded with a return to independence.
I've always rather liked the idea of wikis. Everyone comes together to build a useful resource for the people in the community, even though there's no financial compensation for it. The way that Fandom has muscled into that space, extracting all the wealth they can to the detriment of all the people that made and used the thing they're profiting off of is repugnant.
I know that this sort of model is common to online platforms in general, but there's just something about it that seems extra gross to me in this case. I think some of it is that wikis are driven by people being helpful. There's little in the way of internet clout to be won. Updating a wiki is unlikely to start or fuel an interesting discussion. It's just someone seeing a public resource, and deciding to contribute to make it better, even if they don't directly benefit. And a bit of it is just that it so keenly demonstrates the loss of the ideals of the early internet. Wikipedia represents the internet we used to dream of in the early days, information freely available to everyone and fueled by collective action. Fandom represents the internet we got, where people are doing their best to eke out the meaningful bits in between all the corporate nonsense driven by the endless pursuit of money.
They actually haven't been Official for a few years (October 6, 2021) now. While unlikely, it would be pretty funny if a move away from Fandom leads to them being granted Official status once again. In the meantime, another vote for Indie Wiki Buddy.
Fandom sucks, I hated when they bought GameFaqs. Thankfully there haven't been any major chances that I'm aware of, but the website itself is cluttered and terrible.
It's maybe a good time to remember that Miraheze is not shutting down, after all.
I didn't even know this existed until now, but it looks wonderful. Very glad to hear they're gonna be able to stick around!
Fandom (Wikia) used to be so good. Once again vulture capitalists have ruined something on the internet.
I despise Fandom with a burning passion.
Love using wiki.gg so far, and for everything else I’m using Redirector for many things, including Fandom that goes to Breezewiki.