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So what happened? Revisiting the superhero and box office questions.
Nearly two years ago, I made a post titled "On the superhero question" and three years ago I made a retrospective on the box office since theaters closed in 2020. So I figured it was time for an...
Nearly two years ago, I made a post titled "On the superhero question" and three years ago I made a retrospective on the box office since theaters closed in 2020.
So I figured it was time for an update.
Re-reading those posts makes me realize how optimistic the theatrical landscape seemed in the wake of Barbenheimer. I don't think I was alone in that; I think the industry felt optimism from that cultural moment as well. That same year was when superhero films imploded, so there was this idea that audiences wanted "real" films. They wanted films by "real" directors, and now there was some discernment from audiences. Grouping both Barbie and Mario, it spoke to the value that other IP now has.
The landscape became much more depressing in 2024. It seems like the idea of audiences flocking to other types of films did not happen. After consistent growth, the box office fell in 2024 from 2023. I remember the panic that the industry felt after both The Fall Guy and Furiosa: A Mad Max Story flopped at the box office. But Inside Out 2, Deadpool and Wolverine breaking out balanced out those disappointments.
Speaking of Deadpool and Wolverine, I remember my prediction of the film being that it would be the lowest-grossing of the Deadpool franchise. Not only that, but I predicted that Joker 2 would outgross it, and we all know how that played out.
Because Deadpool and Wolverine did so well, it delayed the narrative that had been forming throughout 2023, the "superhero fatigue" narrative. It wasn't until now that the narrative is back, and it seems like Deadpool and Wolverine was more of an exception. The film needed 20 years of nostalgia to power it to those numbers. Something under-discussed about D&W's performance is that it was more domestic-heavy than a lot of billion-dollar MCU films (47% DOM split when many of them were in the 30% range throughout the 2010s). Spider-Man: No Way Home also had a split in the 40s, which perhaps was an omen for what was to come.
There were other overperformers throughout 2024, don't get me wrong. Wicked, making over 400M DOM and 700M WW, was not something people were expecting early on. Mufasa: The Lion King still made over 700M WW despite a mediocre reception and a "why would you make this?" issue. But there was certainly a depth issue. Fewer films hit the 100M DOM mark in 2024 than in 2023, and the rest of the top 100 films made less in 2024 than in 2023. It did feel like many films underperformed or did not reach their full potential, which would have helped out the overall box office. Many horror films like Abigail, Night Swim, MaXXXine, could have done better but didn't. Gladiator II would have likely done better if it had been better received. Twisters and Beetlejuice Beetlejuice did well, but didn't get the late legs that would have driven it to 300M totals. Bad Boys: Ride or Die decreased from the previous film. Red One and Bob Marley: One Love didn't crawl past the 100M DOM mark. Little things like that that add up.
So how's 2025 looking so far?
In short, not great. We're currently lagging behind 2024 during the same calendar year. Inside Out 2 and Deadpool and Wolverine contributed over 600M DOM each, while our highest-grossing film this year so far is still A Minecraft Movie, and that didn't even hit 500M DOM (it probably would have if word of mouth wasn't horrendous). We do have three big films left for the year: Zootopia 2, Wicked: For Good, and Avatar: Ash and Fire. All three are potential 500M DOM grossers, although Avatar will be making a majority of its money in the 2026 calendar year. There are also smaller-scale studio films hoping to break out, such as The Running Man, Tron: Ares, and Predator: Badlands.
The issue, though, is that many of these films can underperform, and that's been a common theme this past year. The well-received Thunderbolts could not get in the black, and the much-anticipated Fantastic Four is going to barely break even theatrically. Even Superman, with its great legs, will end up below what many superhero films did during the peak, even mediocre or lesser-known superheroes. It does seem like the box office will continue to collapse since nothing is filling that Disney-sized void. Outside of superhero films, Lilo and Stitch didn't perform as well as it could have and neither did Minecraft.
So it's kind of grim. I mean, in reality, movie-going reached its peak in 2002. It has been declining in admissions ever since. So it was perhaps naive to think that the growth we experienced from 2021 to 2023 would continue. But it really seems like the domestic box office will continue to decline, and the international box office has collapsed for a lot of Hollywood films, specifically comic book films. So we're entering a very different landscape, a much more muted world for films from now on. And it will likely continue to shrink.
Now markets shift, they can shift back up. The international market can be brought up again (Superhero movies used to always play better with domestic audiences). But I'm certainly not as optimistic as I once was.
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Box office: ‘Fantastic Four’ craters by 66% in second weekend
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Box office: ‘The Fantastic Four: First Steps’ lifts off with heroic $118 million domestic debut, $100 million overseas, $218 million worldwide
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‘Lilo & Stitch’ becomes Hollywood’s first movie to hit $1 billion in 2025
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‘Superman’s $57m second weekend propels Warner Bros. to top of YTD studio marketshare with $1.32b
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‘Superman’ powers to $217m global opening; ‘Jurassic World Rebirth’ roars past $500m; ‘Lilo & Stitch’ soon to sew up $1b worldwide
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Dino might!: ‘Jurassic World Rebirth’ bows to $318.3m global in biggest studio opening year-to-date worldwide
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‘F1’ revs to $144m opening weekend around the world, Brad Pitt and Apple Original films records; ‘M3GAN 2.0’ powers down at $10m+
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After ‘M3GAN 2.0,’ Blumhouse’s box office slump is at eighteen months and counting
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‘Elio’ box office flop: Why can’t Pixar launch original films?
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‘How To Train Your Dragon’ fires up franchise best $83m+ opening
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Record $322m Memorial Day weekend: ‘Lilo & Stitch’ dancing to $180m holiday high, ‘Mission: Impossible 8’ $77m
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Four fanboy flicks bomb out in Deadline’s 2024 most valuable blockbuster tournament
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‘A Minecraft Movie’ at $157m a record opening for videogame pic, toppling ‘Super Mario Bros’; Warner Bros brings the box office back alive
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Disney’s ‘Tangled’ live-action movie hits the pause button
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Mike De Luca and Pam Abdy under fire at Warner Bros. amid box office flops: ‘We didn’t want to fail’ David Zaslav
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Ho-hum, ho-hum: ‘Snow White’ opens to $43m — what poisoned this princess at the box office
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Hollywood’s IP dilemma | Whether it’s “Novocaine,” “Mickey 17” or the “Oceans” director’s latest, audiences are slow to show up for original films
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'Ne Zha 2' is highest-grossing animated movie worldwide, tops $1.7b
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‘Sonic’ and ‘Mufasa’ brawl over no. 1; ‘Nosferatu’ feasts $40m+; ‘A Complete Unknown’ rockin’ $23m+ five-day
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Disney recaptured its dominance in 2024 as family films and sequels ruled the US box office
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‘Hedgehog’ still has upper claw over ‘Mufasa’ with $62m+ in pre-Christmas frame as ‘Lion King’ prequel loses crown
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'Moana 2', 'Wicked' and 'Gladiator 2' fueling Thanksgiving to historic $422m domestic box office record
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‘Wicked’ and ‘Gladiator II’ AKA ‘Glicked’ fuel $205m combined weekend, best pre-Thanksgiving frame in eleven years
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‘Venom 3’ slinks to $51 million, lowest opening weekend of comic book trilogy
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‘Joker: Folie à Deux’ to lose $150 million to $200 million in theatrical run after bombing at box office
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Studio slump: Lionsgate’s last six films have all been box office busts
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‘Terrifier 3’ takes over box office as ‘Joker 2’ suffers 82% 2nd weekend drop
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No one’s laughing now: ‘Joker Folie à Deux’ falls down with $39m-$40m opening: How the sequel went sideways
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Box office: ‘Megalopolis’ bombs with D+ CinemaScore, ‘Wild Robot’ soars to no. 1
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‘Beetlejuice Beetlejuice’ shakes senora to $110m opening weekend
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How the North American box office achieved a remarkable U-turn this summer
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‘Alien: Romulus’ $41.5m scores record openings for Fede Alvarez and Cailee Spaeny; second best for franchise; global launch at $108.2m
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‘Deadpool & Wolverine’ struts past $1b global box office; soon to become biggest R-rated movie ever worldwide
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‘Deadpool & Wolverine’ obliterates R-rated record with $205 million opening weekend, eighth-biggest in box office history
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How Universal burned a swath through the heartland and south, “sold fun” and propelled ‘Twisters’ to $80m+ opening
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Kevin Costner’s ‘Horizon 2’ pulled from August release in theaters
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Moviegoing is a Latino family thing — and it's been the key to US summer box office successes
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‘Inside Out 2’ crosses $1b global box office; fastest animated movie ever to milestone
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Paul Reubens (Pee-wee Herman) | The man behind the bowtie
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What a century (plus a pandemic) does to moviegoing and why it matters
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‘Inside Out 2’ shatters box office expectations with $155 million, biggest debut since ‘Barbie’
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The summer box office crisis: Is the sky really falling this time?
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Seven things killing movie theaters (and how to save them)
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Box office: ‘Furiosa’ just barely beats ‘The Garfield Movie’ in disastrous Memorial Day weekend — the worst in decades
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Blunt, stunts and Ryan Gosling: how did The Fall Guy flop – and what does that mean for cinema?
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The biggest box office bombs of 2023; Disney leads with four entries
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‘The Super Mario Bros Movie’ levels all the way up to win Deadline’s 2023 most valuable blockbuster tournament
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‘The Fall Guy’ box office disappointment hurts more than opening weekend
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