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Box office: ‘Furiosa’ just barely beats ‘The Garfield Movie’ in disastrous Memorial Day weekend — the worst in decades

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  1. [14]
    DavesWorld
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    Netflix got into production (of content) because studios made it abundantly clear they wanted to pull everything back from Netflix. Since Netflix is a streaming service (formerly a DVD rental...
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    Netflix got into production (of content) because studios made it abundantly clear they wanted to pull everything back from Netflix. Since Netflix is a streaming service (formerly a DVD rental house), they naturally have no business model if they have nothing to stream.

    Now, I don't know what the answer to theaters is. I expect a lot of people, some of whom are being paid millions and tens of millions annually, and a lot more being paid millions to come in for a few weeks or a months to offer an opinion (consultants) don't either, because nothing's changing.

    I do know this: studios see theaters as their income. They've spent several decades changing the contracts they offer theaters, pulling more of the ticket revenue back to themselves. They view release as their payday, and theaters have let the studios turn the contracts for the prints (be they physical or digital) into loser propositions.

    Independent theaters mostly came about, or at least certainly became the dominant form of cinema in America, due to antitrust action by the Federal government. At the time, the government was correct; it was a monopoly. Studios were vertically integrated and their movies showed in their theaters. If you wanted to see a Paramount picture, you went to a Paramount theater.

    Regan softened that, because he never met a corporation or rich person he and his buddies weren't eager to help make more money. Then, in 2020, the US DOJ got the whole thing formally terminated, officially removing Federal obstacles to reintegrating cinema in America.

    Honestly, that's really the only way I can foresee cinema, movie theaters, surviving any more.

    There are a lot of problems with theaters in America. Horrible audiences that lack civility and manners, high prices relative to wages, and yes the content those theaters have to show is entirely dictated by studios.

    But theaters aren't blameless. They're who signed the unfavorable contracts that pushed them into trying to squeeze cinema attendees with $20 popcorns and $15 sodas. They haven't leaned (or if they have, it's been weak and ineffective) on studios to find crowd pleaser fare to release.

    And theaters, even now, even today, see "exclusivity" as their one and only playing card.

    That card hasn't been relevant since the 40s. Before that, movie theaters didn't have much competition. What happened in the 40s? TV started deploying into American homes. Before, your entertainment options were the same ones that had existed throughout time (sit around talking to friends/family, someone does musical things, cards, you go play sports or for a walk, etc). If you wanted "an experience", you trekked out to the cinema and bought a ticket.

    Then TV came out. Sure it was expensive, but it was a one-time cost. And the 40s and 50s were a prosperity period for Americans, so they bought TVs and turned the country into a TV nation. Suddenly, you could sit around watching Jackie Gleeson and Lucille Ball, Johnny Carson, and so on.

    Theaters still figured their only card was exclusivity. Only theaters had movies. For a long, long time, there weren't reruns, and there certainly weren't rental stores or Best Buys or Netflix that had movies (along with other stuff) you could get to watch on your TV. Prints of movies would flow across the country, and there'd be second and fourth and seventh engagements of existing movies, especially popular ones. Because that's where you saw movies. In a movie theater.

    That's not the case anymore. Which doesn't even touch on games and esports and the seventeen thousand other things any individual consumer could choose to do right now instead of going to the theater to buy a ticket.

    Theaters need to figure out what their use case is. What they bring to the table. What about them is worth the effort in money and time for a patron to remain a patron of the cinema. And I bet if you walked into the board rooms of AMC and Regal tomorrow morning and asked them that, they'd blink blankly at you (before they called for security and had you tossed). They have no clue. They don't even understand the question. They built it, you see. They built a theater. That means we have to come.

    Wall Street struggles with a similar problem. One of their (regularly ignored) maxims, which is often at fault when they have a nationwide downturn that impacts the entire economy, goes something like this: never assume there's a buyer for what you're selling. Theaters have dug themselves into this hole by assuming they're the only game in town. Or, at least, the best game.

    They're not. They're not the best, they're not the only, and it's arguable if they even have any game. Bad or otherwise.

    They spent the 00s remodeling into comfort. Wider, softer seats. That just reduced auditorium capacity, which hurt them some, but not as much as you'd assume since most studio contracts rake back 90 or 95% of the ticket sales for the first several weeks. It did hurt them with concessions, since they see that as a volume game. One they play terribly by cranking prices so far up.

    Well, it turns out, comfort away from home has a hard time competing with comfort at home. People hear about recliners and whatever and roll their eyes; they have a nice couch and armchairs and the rest of it at home. Usually parked in front of their nice wide flat screens with the Best Buy special Dolby all-in-one sound system package.

    If the studios vertically integrate the theaters again, that would save theaters. And really it wouldn't change all that much, since independent theaters are something like 10-15% of the theaters in the country. Even if the studios purposefully froze the indie theaters out from big releases, not much would change since the indies don't get many releases as it is now. And wanting to avoid hurting them would ignore the main issue; that "exclusivity" is the only card worth playing.

    If Disney and Warner and Universal and whoever else all buy up some theaters, they'd take over operating costs. They'd see the theaters as what they are; an essential part of their exhibition business. One they'd now be financially responsible for supporting, as opposed to now where they just see theaters as a necessary enemy that wants to take away profit the studio sees as theirs.

    And regardless of that, all the theaters need to get more creative. They need to look for reasons to exist. Look for needs they can fill, find customers they can service.

    The point of an auditorium is as a showcase. It's a big (supposedly quiet and undistracting) room with a dialed in A/V system. Why are studio movies the only thing they show?

    I read all these articles about Taylor Swift's latest concert having done gangbusters by making a big deal with theaters nationwide. She recorded a show, and showed her show (the concert) in those theaters. People who couldn't afford several hundred dollars (seriously, that's what concerts cost now) to see Swift could pay $20 to sit in a participating theater.

    I've been to concerts. You usually have to stand the whole time, it's often outside where there's weather and insects, plus there's the whole audience thing. And the cost. Hundreds of dollars. At twenty bucks, where you get a seat you can sit in, with AC, I'd wager most of the Swifties had a better "concert experience" at the theaters than they did at the stadiums.

    There are a lot of music acts. Now that there's a high profile example to show off, since people are terrible at imagining possibilities, would it be that hard to work out deals with most of the tours? All it takes is an event camera crew, some plugs into the sound board, and then an editor or two for a week after the show and they've got a whole concert they can press play on.

    Theaters could get clever. They could offer to fund the filming in exchange for exhibition rights, work out profit sharing where they recoup their production costs and then split the ongoing revenue with the music act.

    Fathom is famous for broadcasting stuff to theaters, but they're mostly broadcasting in low resolution. Not 4K, not by a long shot. There's social media mentions all over for showings where it was basically a DVD that got popped in and pressed play on. A DVD they wanted $20+ a ticket for.

    If theaters would upgrade that, and show actual quality, and work out a unified scripted marketing campaign, they'd have a shot at making rereleases and celebration exhibitions an event. Further, they could tie into the concert thing and do it for other stuff. Sports perhaps. You could go to the bar and watch your team, or you could go to the theater and watch your team on a big screen.

    Back when Game of Thrones was a cultural phenomenon, there were a scattered few theaters who figured out how to make deals to show certain episodes on release. So you could watch the season finale at home, or go get that "social" experience some people like. Theaters could investigate that angle more.

    Indie movies are a thing. Every year, the cost of entry to "make a movie" drops. Kevin Smith famously had to obtain and max out a lot of credit cards to be able to make a movie at the beginning of the 90s. Because he had to rent a camera and buy multiple tens of thousands of dollars forth of film, and then pay to develop all that, and then pay some more to get a film editing machine to let him cut and edit all the footage into Clerks.

    These days most people can drop a grand and, so long as they know what they're doing, have something they can film with that'll get them all the way to exhibition.

    A packed theater for a big release might see each seat paying the theater less than a dollar due to the contract. So a hundred people is a hundred bucks. Maybe less. Which is why theaters are so angry so many people who do still go don't want to fork over another thirty each for a drink and snack.

    An indie movie will probably be quite happy to sign a much more equitable contract. 50-50? Maybe even skew in favor of the theater? Fill ten seats in that hundred chair auditorium, but if each seat is worth ten bucks (not one) the theater made as much ticket revenue as with the big release. This is of coruse where they'd protest they want volume to help concessions sales, but when people already aren't going, and are already unwilling to happily shell out for overpriced popcorn and soda, I'd say we pretty much are at the point where it's time to Try Something New.

    And another complaint about those indie movies the theaters will raise, "those are small little pictures." Meaning, reading between the lines, there's no Big Studio Marketing Campaign the theaters expect will drive traffic into their auditoriums.

    What's stopping theaters from running their own marketing? For any of these ideas, or any new ones. Theaters exist in a locality. Know your market. I bet a theater in a podunk football town might do all right if they advertised showing the Big Game in one of their auditoriums. Same as how I'd expect college towns (as one obvious example) might do alright if they started showing student and indie films.

    My whole point is theaters are sort of in meme territory. Where they've signed away most ticket revenue, tried to compensate by dialing concessions prices so far into Fantasyland that the light from reality is a distant memory, and then thrown their hands up while saying "welp, we tried but now we're all out of ideas."

    If they want to fade away and die, then yeah they're done. Give up. Sell now, sit back and laugh as the theaters vanish.

    Or, they could do what "the market" says "the market" is best at, and figure out how to compete. I just have a hard time believing there's nothing they could do to find and offer value. But they'll have to get involved in their business, rather than sitting back passively thinking that they built it and that was the hard part.

    33 votes
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      Amarok
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      Great take on the situation. I wonder why they don't show older movies more regularly. It costs very little to roll out the Back to the Future trilogy, for example, and I will sure as hell be...

      Great take on the situation.

      I wonder why they don't show older movies more regularly. It costs very little to roll out the Back to the Future trilogy, for example, and I will sure as hell be there on opening night for the triple feature. The movies do not have to be new releases - the social experience is still there. I know that art-house theaters do this already, like The Little or The Alamo Drafthouse. I don't see it that often, though, and it's a shame. I'd visit every weekend for a month to check out a selection of Fellini films, like they do with film festivals. There's a gargantuan catalog available and a lot of it is both great and unknown to younger generations.

      It would be a major shot in the arm to the declining theaters, and this is definitely the year to do it or die trying.

      8 votes
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        crazydave333
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        Showing older blockbusters in theaters isn't the cash cow that many moviegoers think it would be. From what I hear of the pandemic years, a showing of the Back to the Future trilogy would get...

        Showing older blockbusters in theaters isn't the cash cow that many moviegoers think it would be. From what I hear of the pandemic years, a showing of the Back to the Future trilogy would get maybe ten people into a theater. In these times were the pandemic isn't a factor any more, such a showing might get fifteen.

        However, that doesn't mean the idea should be completely abandoned, just more curated. I saw Love Lies Bleeding last weekend, and think it would be an incredible double feature with the 90's movie Bound for a sort of "dyke noir" evening. Properly advertised to the LGBT community with some gay themed stuff around it and it could be a boon for both movies; one that was a small indie this year, and another that was a small indie decades ago (and whose creators went on to produce The Matrix series) whose audiences would probably appreciate both films.

        Lots of people online believe that showing Star Wars or the Lord of the Rings movies on repeat will save the movie business, but I go to theaters to learn. Create events where likeminded audiences can learn about new films and old films together and I think that's where cinema can find the value in repreratory cinema.

        6 votes
        1. Baeocystin
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          I recently watched the first Back to the Future at a full house packed theater. What made it special was the dinner they served along side it; themed food and drink matching the movie beats. It...

          From what I hear of the pandemic years, a showing of the Back to the Future trilogy would get maybe ten people into a theater. In these times were the pandemic isn't a factor any more, such a showing might get fifteen.

          I recently watched the first Back to the Future at a full house packed theater. What made it special was the dinner they served along side it; themed food and drink matching the movie beats. It was a lot of fun!

          https://www.pruneyardcinemas.com/culinarycinema if you're curious.

          6 votes
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          winther
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          It is mostly a one-off thing from what I have seen. It is possible to get a full theater one night with an older movie, but that is likely mostly a profit for the theater and not the studios.

          It is mostly a one-off thing from what I have seen. It is possible to get a full theater one night with an older movie, but that is likely mostly a profit for the theater and not the studios.

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          1. Amarok
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            Well, judging by what DavesWorld said above, even filling that one theater, on one night, could still net a theater as much money as they'd make in a month with a popular new release - as long as...

            Well, judging by what DavesWorld said above, even filling that one theater, on one night, could still net a theater as much money as they'd make in a month with a popular new release - as long as the theater got a larger cut of the revenues on the older movies. I suppose it depends on if the studios give enough of a damn about keeping theaters alive to tweak the contract and pull a bunch of prints out of a warehouse for a while.

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        3. teaearlgraycold
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          There was actually a pretty good turnout to the Shrek 2 20th anniversary showing. Lots of millennials and gen Z but also some of the millennial parents brought their kids.

          There was actually a pretty good turnout to the Shrek 2 20th anniversary showing. Lots of millennials and gen Z but also some of the millennial parents brought their kids.

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        Johz
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        Do cinemas not already do this? I live in Germany, and here there's often film marathons for classic series, live broadcasts of plays, concerts, etc, foreign imports (typically a lot of anime),...

        Do cinemas not already do this? I live in Germany, and here there's often film marathons for classic series, live broadcasts of plays, concerts, etc, foreign imports (typically a lot of anime), great classics of cinema, and so on.

        Looking through the releases for the city where I live, for example, and there's literally a Back To The Future triple feature scheduled, like you suggested. And that's not looking at the couple of more independent cinemas we have here.

        Which makes me think it isn't cinemas per se, but, as you say, US cinemas not really offering what people want to see.

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        1. Amarok
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          I'd say it's something that only the 'cool' theaters do in the USA. The 'art house' moniker is for theaters that feature a lot more foreign films and offbeat productions, they are more in tune...

          I'd say it's something that only the 'cool' theaters do in the USA. The 'art house' moniker is for theaters that feature a lot more foreign films and offbeat productions, they are more in tune with cinema culture. For example, The Little and The Alamo Drafthouse are not typical movie theaters. I don't often see it happening in large theater chains, which are the bulk of US theaters. If it does it's probably a one-off or related to promoting something else that's new, like showing older films in a franchise as a runup to a new installment being released.

          2 votes
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        nukeman
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        Some do, it’s called Flashback Cinema, and funny enough, BTTF is this week’s feature.

        Some do, it’s called Flashback Cinema, and funny enough, BTTF is this week’s feature.

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          Amarok
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          It's a shame the nearest cinema to me that is part of Flashback is a two hour and forty five minute drive away. If they were serious about this, there'd be theaters doing it in a lot more zip codes.

          It's a shame the nearest cinema to me that is part of Flashback is a two hour and forty five minute drive away. If they were serious about this, there'd be theaters doing it in a lot more zip codes.

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          1. nukeman
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            They had more participating locations a few years ago, but I think that was partly due to COVID putting a damper on new releases.

            They had more participating locations a few years ago, but I think that was partly due to COVID putting a damper on new releases.

        2. Perryapsis
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          I would be interested in going to one of these, but none of them are particularly close to me.

          I would be interested in going to one of these, but none of them are particularly close to me.

    2. papasquat
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      Yeah, I think you've made a lot of good points, and I can't help but think that to most people, there is still incredible value to a massive screen that's taller than their house, an incredible...

      Yeah, I think you've made a lot of good points, and I can't help but think that to most people, there is still incredible value to a massive screen that's taller than their house, an incredible sound system more expensive than they could ever afford, and an image that's sharper than any commercially available TV.

      They've artificially limited themselves to showing one kind of content on them though. Sports is a great use case. People are definitely willing to pay some portion of a sports ticket to see it broadcasted beautifully on a giant digital projector, same goes for popular TV, e-sports, live events (watch the ball drop on a massive screen while getting drunk with your friends instead of waiting 6 hours freezing your ass off in times square?). Nothing says theaters have to be configured in such a way that you need to sit in a chair and be quiet the whole time. Nothing says you can't have events in theaters where talking is not only allowed, but encouraged. Nothing says that you can't host loud, lively parties, video game tournaments, interactive experiences, or anything else that would benefit from a social atmosphere and a massive screen.

      Theaters haven't done a good job leveraging their really valuable assets, that being one of the few giant indoor gathering places people congregate in, along with a massive screen and sound system. Instead they seem to just really really want to go back in time to the 90s and early 2000s. That ship has sailed though. People are clearly willing to pay for unique experiences, how about you just try providing them?

      7 votes
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    Amarok
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    Meanwhile, Deadpool III is selling out theaters all over the country for opening weekend, with presale tickets. I just don't buy the litany of excuses about covid, strikes, theaters closing,...

    Meanwhile, Deadpool III is selling out theaters all over the country for opening weekend, with presale tickets.

    I just don't buy the litany of excuses about covid, strikes, theaters closing, tastes changing... sure, all of that hurts, but that's just avoiding the problem by passing blame. It just looks to me like Hollywood forgot everything they ever learned and are stubbornly refusing to go back to what worked for almost the entire last century. They no longer know their audience.

    30 votes
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      winther
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      But are they really worse at knowing their audience than before or has the figures and need for ROI simply changed? There have been plenty of box office failures and surprise hits in the past. The...

      But are they really worse at knowing their audience than before or has the figures and need for ROI simply changed? There have been plenty of box office failures and surprise hits in the past. The biggest change now is probably that video/dvd rentals can't recoup a lackluster box office like before. And the budgets are maybe too big (to fail).

      17 votes
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        SloMoMonday
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        The way I see it with a lot of artistic industries (maybe even all corporate business as a whole); is that the people making big decisions have never actually worked in the field or even consume...

        The way I see it with a lot of artistic industries (maybe even all corporate business as a whole); is that the people making big decisions have never actually worked in the field or even consume the work. Disney is a prime example for me. Since around 2015, they've been abandoning a lot of their artistic values and have been quadrupling down on IP and nostalgia baiting the Disney Adults.

        Park costs are well beyond most regular people and management is slacking (there's a hour long video on how they botched fastpass). Epcot parks were never meant to showcase IP but Frozen was doing well and fit right into the Europe block. It just snowballed from there. Most park expansions are playing catch up with universal. A lot of hotel renovations just boiled down to putting up some character art and merch bedding. The Star Wars hotel mess. The Wish cruise experience feels like it was designed by a 12 year old and pales in comparison to the Magic and other older vessels (the entire project was actually directed by a marketing team with no cruise experience).

        And the cherry on top is the joke that is their Theatrical and TV/Streaming output. MCU is saturated to hell and strip mined of all goodwill. Star Wars had maybe 3 good showings and a lot of misses. Indiana Jones was an expensive mess. Live action remakes are creatively bankrupt. Wish was a joke. There was a solarpunk 2.5D thing that I can't even name now. Pixar is becoming a squeal/spinoff mill.

        All of these projects have had more budget than some small countries and completely lacking in any cohesive vision, message and theme. There's also no soul in the work that comes from improvising or stretching the budget because they have everything at their fingertips and can just fix it in post. When you're spending that much, you have to hit every demographic checkbox to even have a hope of ROI.

        It all boils down to people leading a creative company by spreadsheets and focus groups. Like the only thing that differentiates CONTENT in their eyes is the IP wrapper.

        31 votes
        1. Spydrchick
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          Exactly right. Anything by commitee and accountants ends up becoming flat. They've milked the cow and keep trying, but the cow just can't anymore. Throwing more money and nonsense at a problem...

          Exactly right. Anything by commitee and accountants ends up becoming flat. They've milked the cow and keep trying, but the cow just can't anymore. Throwing more money and nonsense at a problem doesn't necessarily lead to creative genius.

          13 votes
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          Amarok
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          Amen. Modern characters in film and television boast an IQ of ten if they are lucky. It's like living on tofu for someone like me. If I'm paying that much money to see a film in the theater (and I...

          completely lacking in any cohesive vision, message and theme

          Amen. Modern characters in film and television boast an IQ of ten if they are lucky. It's like living on tofu for someone like me. If I'm paying that much money to see a film in the theater (and I remember when tickets were $3 a seat) I'm looking for the steak dinner, not the tofu platter.

          10 votes
          1. redwall_hp
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            Tofu's great when it's cooked in traditional dishes and not as a half-assed meat substitute. Miso soup would be awful with chicken or something, and there's no such thing as "mapo beef." The 10-IQ...

            Tofu's great when it's cooked in traditional dishes and not as a half-assed meat substitute. Miso soup would be awful with chicken or something, and there's no such thing as "mapo beef."

            The 10-IQ characters are tempeh.

            10 votes
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            chocobean
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            In tofu's defense, even dessert tofu has more sweetness, delicacy and cohesion than the mess that Wish was.

            In tofu's defense, even dessert tofu has more sweetness, delicacy and cohesion than the mess that Wish was.

            8 votes
            1. Amarok
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              Ouch. I skipped that one so I wouldn't know... been skipping a lot lately, honestly. I'm not above grabbing an hdcam copy - if by some miracle the movie turns out to be good I can always turn that...

              Ouch. I skipped that one so I wouldn't know... been skipping a lot lately, honestly. I'm not above grabbing an hdcam copy - if by some miracle the movie turns out to be good I can always turn that off and go to the theater with some friends. Hard to miss the visuals when it's all bad cgi, in some ways the hdcam rips are better because they wash out the edges. :P

              I also have 2TB of anime on the server to keep me company, and some of it is pretty damn good.

              2 votes
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        Amarok
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        I think they want to change their audience - meaning they'd like to use their films to affect some form of societal change. Somehow you don't get to make movies anymore unless you make that the...

        I think they want to change their audience - meaning they'd like to use their films to affect some form of societal change. Somehow you don't get to make movies anymore unless you make that the overriding priority. It's a tepid, often idiotic political lecture behind a lot of weak CGI, rather than actual escapism, which is the point. It's as if the studios are ashamed by their audience, rather than proud of them.

        Frankly, it could be a lot of things causing this disconnect, and there's no way to tell for sure if you aren't hip-deep in that industry yourself. I just go by the ticket sales, and good movies don't seem to have this problem with tickets regardless of other factors. That's assuming DP3 will actually deliver, which is no guarantee. I will say this - if DP3 lives up to the trailers, and lampoons the entire MCU effectively, we're going to find out if movies can still have 'legs' and go for months at a time. There hasn't been much of that lately.

        An intelligent industry would make better movies on smaller budgets, cater to all possible audiences, and offer a rebate on the DVD/BR purchase for your movie ticket stub. That would help immensely with their cash flow problems. They can lay off 90% of the staff once the AI tools make all the busywork into a point and click affair, that will save them a ton of money.

        The theaters themselves can't continue if there's nothing to put on the screens that people want to see. I wonder if that isn't the point in some way - do the studios care at all about theaters anymore? It's no longer the only way to get a movie out there. Considering what you pay for the ticket, dinner, snacks, and babysitter, the BR is far cheaper than a movie, and you don't have to put up with people talking over the film either.

        I think the trend of 'writing by committee' is probably at the center of the problem. Rather than one writer with a great idea that everyone is willing to bet on, every film has to pass through five different teams of writers selected more for their diversity hire value than their raw talent, education, and most importantly life experience. Writers that have never left their basement haven't got anything worth writing about. Making movies like we had in the 90s isn't possible because everyone is too politically correct in these institutions to allow something genuinely racy to get out there anymore.

        Furiosa here is just a wannabe Mad Max clone. Everyone predicted it would bomb for months and guess what happened. The entire rest of the year is going to play out like this, and it could go on longer but I expect bankruptcy will force them to change. If they ask for bailouts and get them I will riot. :P

        11 votes
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          babypuncher
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          Not these conspiracies again. Hollywood isn't run by some secret cabal trying to push the woke agenda on your children. Just stop it.

          I think they want to change their audience - meaning they'd like to use their films to affect some form of societal change.

          Not these conspiracies again.

          Hollywood isn't run by some secret cabal trying to push the woke agenda on your children. Just stop it.

          45 votes
          1. [3]
            Amarok
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            I'd say it's run by people with extremely poor taste in cinema and an inability to do math. The woke is just this decade's flavor of the stupid, just like the 90s was polluted with dozens of bad...

            I'd say it's run by people with extremely poor taste in cinema and an inability to do math. The woke is just this decade's flavor of the stupid, just like the 90s was polluted with dozens of bad knockoffs of Scream. It's not a cabal, it's a trend, and it's so obvious and omnipresent now that it's reaching peak parody. Perfect time for Deadpool to take it all to the bank, if they can.

            14 votes
            1. [2]
              oliak
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              wOkE HoLlYwOoD

              wOkE HoLlYwOoD

              15 votes
              1. Amarok
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                Now in mixtape form because words just aren't enough to get the point across. Imagine my delight when hunting tracks for a 'tarantino flow' mixtape to discover that an awful lot of musicians out...

                Now in mixtape form because words just aren't enough to get the point across. Imagine my delight when hunting tracks for a 'tarantino flow' mixtape to discover that an awful lot of musicians out there share my own dim view of tinseltown. :)

          2. crdpa
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            These conspirationists fail to see reality for what it is. There is a demand and money follows it. Hollywood isn't trying to change anything, it is simply trying to fulfill a demand that is...

            These conspirationists fail to see reality for what it is.

            There is a demand and money follows it.

            Hollywood isn't trying to change anything, it is simply trying to fulfill a demand that is already there.

            These people really think executives and billionaires sit down thinking how they will give more opportunities to black, women and trans people? No, they follow the money and there is a demand for liberal activism.

            Everything is a product.

            11 votes
        2. [8]
          patience_limited
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          I think the economic success of Barbie and Everything, Everywhere, All at Once might disprove your claims that "idiotic political lectures" or "diversity hire" are to blame for the current spate...

          I think the economic success of Barbie and Everything, Everywhere, All at Once might disprove your claims that "idiotic political lectures" or "diversity hire" are to blame for the current spate of tepid product.

          Audiences are tired of ever-escalating ticket prices to see endless retreads of the same old material. Even the fan-loved Deadpool and John Wick franchises may be running out of steam, and those are expensive movies with expensive leads.

          I agree that Hollywood's most anticipated (i.e. heavily promoted) releases show no desire to take risks. But that's the result of fiscal decisions, and I fail to understand how you attribute this to "political correctness".

          31 votes
          1. [7]
            Amarok
            Link Parent
            Two movies out of... how many now? I've lost count. I think it's gotten to the point where people who work in the industry are actively blackballed and fired for going against the trend, or for...

            Two movies out of... how many now? I've lost count.

            I think it's gotten to the point where people who work in the industry are actively blackballed and fired for going against the trend, or for saying anything not politically correct on their social media. Either shut your mouth or lose your job. In a situation like that, anyone with integrity will quit, and anyone without it will fall in line, at least until the trend blows over. We've lost plenty of actors and writers, and I'm looking forward to seeing how Gina's lawsuit against Disney plays out. That's going to be one painful discovery process for them.

            It's just easier to crank out the crap, collect a paycheck, and not rock the boat. It's hard enough finding real work in media now, and it's only getting harder with the declining revenues.

            2 votes
            1. [6]
              GravySleeve
              (edited )
              Link Parent
              Gina Carano was not asked to return for a new season because she shared social media posts mocking trans rights, she criticized COVID-19 vaccine mandates and mask wearers, she questioned the...

              Gina Carano was fired not asked to return for a new season because she shared social media posts mocking trans rights, she criticized COVID-19 vaccine mandates and mask wearers, she questioned the results of the 2020 election, and she likened the treatment of conservatives to Jews in Nazi Germany during the Holocaust on Twitter. Why should Disney be obligated to continue working with someone like her after she was repeatedly asked to stop making posts like those? They have every right to fire not rehire her, people get fired from jobs all the time for less.

              Edit: Correction

              24 votes
              1. DefinitelyNotAFae
                Link Parent
                She also wasn't fired in the sense of being let go from her regular daily job. Her contract wasn't picked up for another season, which is generally within their rights. Unless she'd negotiated a...

                She also wasn't fired in the sense of being let go from her regular daily job. Her contract wasn't picked up for another season, which is generally within their rights. Unless she'd negotiated a multi-season deal as a guest star which hasn't been reported. She was hired for one season, paid for it, and didn't get hired further. It's not like they can go back and edit her in and I don't think Disney settles as the precedent of being required to renew someone's contract would just not work for the industry.

                12 votes
              2. [4]
                Amarok
                Link Parent
                That's the rumor. I'm only interested in what a judge has to say, not what either side of the culture war thinks. That's why I'm interested in the lawsuit, it'll be a welcome peek behind the...

                That's the rumor. I'm only interested in what a judge has to say, not what either side of the culture war thinks. That's why I'm interested in the lawsuit, it'll be a welcome peek behind the curtain. Last I checked she wasn't suing over contract, she was suing saying she was discriminated against for her opinions - which she obviously was, as you said yourself. I look forward to reading Disney's internal emails on the topic after discovery. I doubt she'll win, honestly, but I am highly entertained by Disney's discomfort over this mess.

                2 votes
                1. [3]
                  DefinitelyNotAFae
                  Link Parent
                  I doubt this makes it to discovery. She's actually using about being discriminated against her political activity which is illegal in California. Her opinion or her speech by itself wouldn't be...

                  I doubt this makes it to discovery. She's actually using about being discriminated against her political activity which is illegal in California. Her opinion or her speech by itself wouldn't be the thing.
                  So it was specifically the Holocaust denialism that Disney cites as the final straw. Which isn't really political activity IMO. But idk what the law covers.

                  However, studios are an exception to employment laws in many cases and that's why their union contracts are so key. If the union isn't backing her case, she's probably SOL regardless of Elon's opinion. That's why studios can hire based on appearance despite all the things that that would violate for an office job (race, gender, ability.)

                  Bonus if her contract covered this and is legit (again the union isn't objecting) she agreed to it.

                  7 votes
                  1. [2]
                    GravySleeve
                    Link Parent
                    You said it better than I could be bothered to. She's trying to make it a First Amendment issue which has nothing to do with how private companies operate.

                    You said it better than I could be bothered to. She's trying to make it a First Amendment issue which has nothing to do with how private companies operate.

                    6 votes
                    1. DefinitelyNotAFae
                      Link Parent
                      Well she's marketing it as that but she's using CA employment law, because the first amendment law doesn't apply. I don't think it's likely at all that the court will overturn precedent allowing...

                      Well she's marketing it as that but she's using CA employment law, because the first amendment law doesn't apply. I don't think it's likely at all that the court will overturn precedent allowing creative industries in California of all places to operate essentially on their own first amendment Freedom of Expression/Association grounds or overturn all their employment contracts. I'm not a lawyer and I could be wrong of course but that is my understanding of it all.

                      4 votes
        3. [2]
          TheJorro
          (edited )
          Link Parent
          This statment relies on quite a few assumptions to be true: that writers rooms were all somehow meritocracies with only the best of the best when they were mostly white men to introduce diversity...

          Rather than one writer with a great idea that everyone is willing to bet on, every film has to pass through five different teams of writers selected more for their diversity hire value than their raw talent, education, and most importantly life experience. Writers that have never left their basement haven't got anything worth writing about. Making movies like we had in the 90s isn't possible because everyone is too politically correct in these institutions to allow something genuinely racy to get out there anymore.

          This statment relies on quite a few assumptions to be true:

          28 votes
          1. Amarok
            Link Parent
            It assumes the person who wrote one great show can write another, and nothing more. I'd like to ban ethnicity and gender from ever appearing on any resumes. Accomplishments only, and that solves...

            It assumes the person who wrote one great show can write another, and nothing more. I'd like to ban ethnicity and gender from ever appearing on any resumes. Accomplishments only, and that solves the problem. I don't care who I am hiring, only that they can do the job.

            4 votes
        4. [10]
          C-Cab
          (edited )
          Link Parent
          I think you can't attribute this to any sole cause and that we are seeing interactions of many factors. For instance, the start of the pandemic greatly reduced ticket sales and theaters have yet...

          I think you can't attribute this to any sole cause and that we are seeing interactions of many factors. For instance, the start of the pandemic greatly reduced ticket sales and theaters have yet to reach those pre-COVID levels. At home streaming has gradually risen, and I can say that when I see trailers for certain films that look fun but not a must-watch I think, "Probably won't see that in theaters but will wait till it pops up on one of my streaming services." We also have so much media to watch now! Why do I need to go see Furiosa in theaters right now when I have countless other films on my backlog at my finger tips? The cost of things not withstanding - as you mention (not sure what you mean by BR).

          I think trying to put this at the feet of the writing is way off mark. I'm not sure what your definition of racy is, but I would not say that film and TV have gotten less racy. I certainly see the argument that it has gotten more politically correct when it concerns minority groups, but beyond that I think they are much more open with the topics they address and take a lot more risks. Hell, if we're talking about raciness, trends show that many people of Gen Z want less sex in their media , so I don't think the issue is political correctness or team of writers. In fact, I think this idea that any great script or other written piece is solely due to a single, creative genius largely off the mark. We have editors for a reason, and I'm firmly on the side of two heads being better than one (I mean hell, The Simpsons and Futurama in their heydays were some of the best comedy and those were written by a team of writers). And quite frankly, I think the quality of writing, particularly when it comes to film and TV series, has improved over the past few decades. Obviously, my tastes aren't the end-all be-all, but I would be frankly surprised if people are watching less media today.

          14 votes
          1. public
            (edited )
            Link Parent
            There's definitely praise to be had for Lennon/McCartney stable collaborations being better than the sum of the parts. However, I'd categorize that as separate from design by committee. The...

            We have editors for a reason, and I'm firmly on the side of two heads being better than one (I mean hell, The Simpsons and Futurama in their heydays were some of the best comedy and those were written by a team of writers)

            There's definitely praise to be had for Lennon/McCartney stable collaborations being better than the sum of the parts. However, I'd categorize that as separate from design by committee. The committee is either too large such that any individual's contributions are diluted or it's selected by spreadsheet without consideration of whether the members have a shared vision. The worst example of the latter is Disney Star Wars, which may as well have been written by divorced parents having a public argument during custody transfer at Applebee's.

            EDIT: since this is in ~movies, the 1st Pirates of the Carribbean soundtrack was a highly collaborative effort after Alan Silvestri left due to creative differences with the directors. Hans Zimmer wasn't available, so a number of composers worked under the direction of Klaus Badelt. It still holds up—since the directors wanted Zimmer in the first place, his scores for the later installments fit right in, too.

            5 votes
          2. [8]
            Amarok
            Link Parent
            Perhaps racy was a poor choice of words due to the sexual connotation. I don't mind less sex, that was all filler anyway until Game of Thrones invented s-exposition. I'm looking for risks. Joker...

            Perhaps racy was a poor choice of words due to the sexual connotation. I don't mind less sex, that was all filler anyway until Game of Thrones invented s-exposition. I'm looking for risks. Joker was a fine example. Great storytelling, but it's a story that set the entire internet on fire and had the cinema journalists expecting to see a mass shooting at a theater. That's word of mouth, and that's a surge in ticket sales. One wouldn't expect yet another Batman-universe movie to be able to pull that off, either, but it did.

            My problem may just be that I've got high standards and have seen more than a thousand complete shows, and several thousand films. I got that first thousand films from the theater when your average weekend debuted 3+ new, good movies, and I watched them back to back in the theater every single weekend. I am the toughest, meanest, least forgiving critic you are ever going to meet because to get me excited, you've got to at least match the top tiers of the library in my head.

            Younger people haven't got that problem yet. If Furiosa is the first action film you've seen, of course it looks good. If it's the 500th, not so much. I didn't even like Wick 4 - too many dull over the top fight scenes, that entire long outdoor staircase fight had me laughing out loud at how bad it was.

            4 votes
            1. [7]
              C-Cab
              Link Parent
              I think you're looking back on movies with rose-colored glasses. I grew up with movies in the 90s, and the vast majority, especially if we're talking action films, were not taking risks and...

              I think you're looking back on movies with rose-colored glasses. I grew up with movies in the 90s, and the vast majority, especially if we're talking action films, were not taking risks and weren't anything to write home about.

              That's not to say that current action films are doing better, but I think that inevitably happens when you rely on too much action to move the plot forward.

              6 votes
              1. [3]
                DefinitelyNotAFae
                Link Parent
                Surf Ninjas (93) was taking huge risks, idk what you're talking about. Rob Schneider playing a teenager at age 30? Major plot point based on the Sega Game Gear? Leslie Nelson as the villain when...

                Surf Ninjas (93) was taking huge risks, idk what you're talking about. Rob Schneider playing a teenager at age 30? Major plot point based on the Sega Game Gear? Leslie Nelson as the villain when he couldn't decide if this was serious or not? Tone Loc, younger than Rob Schneider, playing the Police lieutenant?

                I actually really love this stupid movie which is why it's the first thing to come to my mind.

                2 votes
                1. [2]
                  crdpa
                  Link Parent
                  Haha I rented the VHS as a kid. Loved it at the time.

                  Haha I rented the VHS as a kid. Loved it at the time.

                  3 votes
                  1. DefinitelyNotAFae
                    Link Parent
                    I think we owned the VHS, I never watched Karate Kid or 3 Ninjas, so much like watching Robin Hood: Men in tights without seeing Prince of Thieves, I got none of any references. But I loved that...

                    I think we owned the VHS, I never watched Karate Kid or 3 Ninjas, so much like watching Robin Hood: Men in tights without seeing Prince of Thieves, I got none of any references.

                    But I loved that dumb little movie.

                    3 votes
              2. [3]
                Amarok
                Link Parent
                Rose colored? Maybe you're right. Let's compare a selection of titles I pulled from the fifteen hundred odd 90s movies I've got in the library. Judge for yourself if the 00s, 10s, and 20s are fit...

                Rose colored? Maybe you're right. Let's compare a selection of titles I pulled from the fifteen hundred odd 90s movies I've got in the library.

                Judge for yourself if the 00s, 10s, and 20s are fit to compete with the 90s.
                • Ace Ventura - Pet Detective (1994)
                • A Few Good Men (1992)
                • After Life - Remastered (1998)
                • Air Force One - Remastered (1997)
                • Aladdin (1992)
                • Alive (1993)
                • American Beauty (1999)
                • American History X (1998)
                • Amistad (1997)
                • Any Given Sunday (1999)
                • Apollo 13 - Remastered (1995)
                • Apt Pupil (1998)
                • Arlington Road (1999)
                • Armageddon (1998)
                • Army of Darkness (1992)
                • As Good as It Gets - (1997)
                • Austin Powers - International Man of Mystery (1997)
                • Backdraft - Remastered (1991)
                • Back to the Future Part III (1990)
                • Bad Boys - Remastered (1995)
                • Baraka (1992)
                • Barton Fink (1991)
                • BASEketball (1998)
                • Basic Instinct - Remastered (1992)
                • Beauty and the Beast (1991)
                • Being John Malkovich (1999)
                • Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey (1991)
                • Billy Madison (1995)
                • Blade (1998)
                • Blues Brothers 2000 (1998)
                • Body Snatchers (1993)
                • Boogie Nights (1997)
                • Bordello of Blood (1996)
                • Brain Donors (1992)
                • Brainscan (1994)
                • Braveheart (1995)
                • Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1992)
                • Cannibal! The Musical (1996)
                • Can't Hardly Wait (1998)
                • Cape Fear (1991)
                • Career Opportunities (1991)
                • Carlito's Way (1993)
                • Casino - Remastered (1995)
                • Chasing Amy (1997)
                • City of Angels (1998)
                • City Slickers (1991)
                • Clear and Present Danger - Remastered (1994)
                • Clerks - Extended Edition (1994)
                • Cliffhanger - Remastered (1993)
                • Color of Night (1994)
                • Coneheads (1993)
                • Contact (1997)
                • Cool Runnings (1993)
                • Cool World (1992)
                • Crash (1996)
                • Crimson Tide (1995)
                • Croupier (1998)
                • Cruel Intentions (1999)
                • Cube (1998)
                • Dances with Wolves (1990)
                • Dante's Peak (1997)
                • Dark City (1998)
                • Dazed and Confused (1993)
                • Demolition Man (1993)
                • Detroit Rock City (1999)
                • Deuce Bigalow - Male Gigolo (1999)
                • Dick Tracy (1990)
                • Diggstown (1992)
                • Dirty Work (1998)
                • Dogma (1999)
                • Dolores Claiborne (1995)
                • Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead (1991)
                • Dracula - Dead and Loving It (1995)
                • DragonHeart - Remastered (1996)
                • Dumb and Dumber (1994)
                • Dunston Checks In (1996)
                • Eat Drink Man Woman (1994)
                • Edward Scissorhands - Remastered (1990)
                • Ed Wood (1994)
                • El Mariachi (1993)
                • Empire Records (1995)
                • Enemy of the State (1998)
                • Entrapment (1999)
                • Eraser (1996)
                • Escape from L.A. (1996)
                • Event Horizon - Remastered (1997)
                • eXistenZ (1999)
                • Exotica (1994)
                • Eyes Wide Shut (1999)
                • Face Off (1997)
                • Fallen (1998)
                • Falling Down (1993)
                • Fargo - Remastered (1996)
                • Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Remastered (1998)
                • FernGully - The Last Rainforest (1992)
                • Fight Club - Remastered (1999)
                • Fire in the Sky (1993)
                • Fist of Legend (1994)
                • Flatliners - Remastered (1990)
                • Flight of the Intruder (1991)
                • Flubber (1997)
                • Fools Rush In (1997)
                • Forget Paris (1995)
                • For Love of the Game (1999)
                • Forrest Gump - Remastered (1994)
                • Four Rooms (1995)
                • Four Weddings and a Funeral - Remastered (1994)
                • Frankie and Johnny (1991)
                • Free Willy (1993)
                • Fried Green Tomatoes - Extended Edition (1991)
                • From Dusk Till Dawn (1996)
                • Galaxy Quest (1999)
                • Gattaca (1997)
                • Ghost in the Shell (1995)
                • Glengarry Glen Ross (1992)
                • GoldenEye (1995)
                • GoodFellas - Remastered (1990)
                • Good Will Hunting (1997)
                • Grosse Pointe Blank (1997)
                • Groundhog Day - Remastered (1993)
                • Grumpy Old Men (1993)
                • Guarding Tess (1994)
                • Guyver - Dark Hero (1994)
                • Hackers (1995)
                • Half Baked (1998)
                • Halloween - The Curse of Michael Myers - Unrated (1995)
                • Happy Gilmore (1996)
                • Heat - Remastered (1995)
                • Heavenly Creatures (1994)
                • Home Alone - Remastered (1990)
                • Hook - Remastered (1991)
                • Hot Shots! (1991)
                • House Party (1990)
                • Howards End - Remastered (1992)
                • Hudson Hawk (1991)
                • I Know What You Did Last Summer (1997)
                • Independence Day - Extended Edition (1996)
                • Innocent Blood (1992)
                • In the Mouth of Madness - Remastered (1995)
                • Inventing the Abbotts (1997)
                • Ironheart - Remastered (1992)
                • Iron Monkey - Remastered (1993)
                • Jackie Brown (1997)
                • Jacob's Ladder (1990)
                • James and the Giant Peach (1996)
                • JFK (1991)
                • Joe's Apartment (1996)
                • Joe Versus the Volcano (1990)
                • Johnny Mnemonic (1995)
                • Judge Dredd (1995)
                • Jumanji - Remastered (1995)
                • Jurassic Park - Remastered (1993)
                • Killing Zoe (1993)
                • Kindergarten Cop (1990)
                • King of New York - Remastered (1990)
                • L.A. Confidential (1997)
                • La Femme Nikita (1990)
                • Last Action Hero (1993)
                • Last Man Standing (1996)
                • Last of the Dogmen (1995)
                • L.A. Story (1991)
                • Leaving Las Vegas (1995)
                • Legends of the Fall (1994)
                • Leon - The Professional - Extended Edition (1994)
                • Leprechaun (1993)
                • Liar Liar - Remastered (1997)
                • Little Big League (1994)
                • Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (1998)
                • Lolita (1997)
                • Lord of the Flies (1990)
                • Lorenzo's Oil (1992)
                • Magnolia (1999)
                • Malcolm X - Remastered (1992)
                • Mallrats - Extended Edition (1995)
                • Mars Attacks! (1996)
                • Maverick (1994)
                • Meet Joe Black (1998)
                • Men in Black - Remastered (1997)
                • Miracle on 34th Street (1994)
                • Misery - Remastered (1990)
                • Mission - Impossible - Remastered (1996)
                • Mortal Kombat (1995)
                • Mr. Holland's Opus (1995)
                • Mr. Nice Guy - Uncut (1997)
                • Mrs. Doubtfire (1993)
                • Mulan (1998)
                • Mulholland Falls (1996)
                • Multiplicity (1996)
                • My Cousin Vinny (1992)
                • My Favorite Martian (1999)
                • My Neighbors the Yamadas (1999)
                • Mystery Men - Remastered (1999)
                • Naked Lunch (1991)
                • Natural Born Killers (1994)
                • Necessary Roughness (1991)
                • Necronomicon (1993)
                • Needful Things (1993)
                • New Jack City (1991)
                • Night of the Living Dead (1990)
                • Nine Months (1995)
                • Ninja Scroll (1993)
                • Nixon (1995)
                • Nobody's Fool - Remastered (1994)
                • October Sky (1999)
                • Office Space (1999)
                • Of Mice and Men (1992)
                • Once Upon a Time in China - Remastered (1991)
                • Once Were Warriors (1994)
                • On Deadly Ground (1994)
                • One Hundred and One Nights (1995)
                • Only the Lonely (1991)
                • Operation Condor (1991)
                • Orgazmo (1998)
                • Othello (1995)
                • Outbreak (1995)
                • Out on a Limb (1992)
                • Patch Adams (1998)
                • Patriot Games - Remastered (1992)
                • Payback (1999)
                • PCU (1994)
                • Perfect Blue (1998)
                • Phenomenon (1996)
                • Philadelphia - Remastered (1993)
                • Pi (1998)
                • Pleasantville (1998)
                • P.O. Box Tinto Brass (1995)
                • Point Break (1991)
                • Porco Rosso (1992)
                • Powder (1995)
                • Practical Magic (1998)
                • Pretty Woman (1990)
                • Princess Mononoke (1997)
                • Private Parts (1997)
                • Pulp Fiction (1994)
                • Pump Up the Volume (1990)
                • Pushing Tin (1999)
                • Quigley Down Under (1990)
                • Raising Cain (1992)
                • Ravenous (1999)
                • Reality Bites (1994)
                • Regarding Henry (1991)
                • Repossessed (1990)
                • Reservoir Dogs - Remastered (1992)
                • Ring (1998)
                • Robin Hood - Men in Tights (1993)
                • Robin Hood - Prince of Thieves (1991)
                • Rob Roy (1995)
                • Romeo + Juliet (1996)
                • Ronin - Remastered (1998)
                • Rookie of the Year (1993)
                • Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead (1991)
                • Rounders (1998)
                • Rudy (1993)
                • Rumble in the Bronx (1995)
                • Run Lola Run (1998)
                • Rush Hour (1998)
                • Rushmore (1998)
                • Satantango (1994)
                • Saving Private Ryan (1998)
                • Scent of a Woman (1992)
                • Schindler's List (1993)
                • Scream (1996)
                • Se7en - Remastered (1995)
                • Searching for Bobby Fischer (1993)
                • Sense and Sensibility - Remastered (1995)
                • Shakespeare in Love (1998)
                • Showdown in Little Tokyo (1991)
                • Showgirls - Remastered (1995)
                • Sister Act (1992)
                • Six Degrees of Separation (1993)
                • Six-String Samurai (1998)
                • Slacker (1991)
                • SLC Punk (1998)
                • Sleepless in Seattle (1993)
                • Sling Blade (1996)
                • Sneakers (1992)
                • So I Married an Axe Murderer (1993)
                • Sometimes They Come Back (1991)
                • South Park - Bigger, Longer & Uncut - Uncut (1999)
                • Space Jam (1996)
                • Spawn (1997)
                • Species - Remastered (1995)
                • Speed - Remastered (1994)
                • Sphere (1998)
                • Spy Hard (1996)
                • Stalingrad (1993)
                • Stargate - Extended Edition (1994)
                • Starship Troopers (1997)
                • Star Wars - Episode I - The Phantom Menace - Remastered (1999)
                • Stir of Echoes (1999)
                • Strange Days (1995)
                • Strictly Ballroom (1992)
                • Striking Distance (1993)
                • Suicide Kings (1998)
                • Taking Care of Business (1990)
                • Tales from the Crypt - Demon Knight (1995)
                • Tales from the Darkside - The Movie (1990)
                • Tank Girl (1995)
                • Taxi (1998)
                • Teaching Mrs. Tingle (1999)
                • Tea with Mussolini (1999)
                • Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1990)
                • Terminator 2 - Judgment Day - Extended Edition (1991)
                • The 13th Warrior (1999)
                • The Addams Family - Extended Edition (1991)
                • The Adventures of Huck Finn (1993)
                • The Age of Innocence (1993)
                • The American President (1995)
                • The Amityville Curse (1990)
                • The Baby of Macon (1993)
                • The Basketball Diaries (1995)
                • The Beverly Hillbillies (1993)
                • The Big Lebowski - Remastered (1998)
                • The Blair Witch Project (1999)
                • The Bodyguard (1992)
                • The Boondock Saints (1999)
                • The Brady Bunch Movie (1995)
                • The Bridges of Madison County (1995)
                • The Cider House Rules (1999)
                • The Client (1994)
                • The Cowboy Way (1994)
                • The Craft (1996)
                • The Crow - Remastered (1994)
                • The Crying Game - Remastered (1992)
                • The Dark Half (1993)
                • The Demolitionist (1995)
                • The Devil's Advocate (1997)
                • The Dinner Game (1998)
                • The English Patient (1996)
                • The Fifth Element - Remastered (1997)
                • The Firm (1993)
                • The Fisher King (1991)
                • The Freshman (1990)
                • The Frighteners - Remastered (1996)
                • The Fugitive (1993)
                • The Full Monty (1997)
                • The Game (1997)
                • The Ghost and the Darkness (1996)
                • The Good Son (1993)
                • The Green Mile (1999)
                • The Guyver (1991)
                • The Hand that Rocks the Cradle (1992)
                • The Haunting - Remastered (1999)
                • The Horse Whisperer (1998)
                • The Hot Spot - Remastered (1990)
                • The Hudsucker Proxy (1994)
                • The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996)
                • The Hunt for Red October - Remastered (1990)
                • The Iron Giant (1999)
                • The Island of Dr. Moreau (1996)
                • The Jackal (1997)
                • The Kung Fu Cult Master (1993)
                • The Last Boy Scout (1991)
                • The Last of the Mohicans (1992)
                • The Legend of Drunken Master (1994)
                • The Lion King (1994)
                • The Little Rascals (1994)
                • Thelma & Louise (1991)
                • The Long Kiss Goodnight (1996)
                • The Lover - Remastered (1992)
                • The Mangler - Remastered (1995)
                • The Man in the Iron Mask - Remastered (1998)
                • The Mask (1994)
                • The Matrix - Remastered (1999)
                • The Mighty Ducks (1992)
                • The Mummy (1999)
                • The Muppet Christmas Carol (1992)
                • The Negotiator (1998)
                • The Night Flier (1997)
                • The Nightmare Before Christmas (1993)
                • The People Under the Stairs (1991)
                • The People vs. Larry Flynt (1996)
                • The Piano - Remastered (1993)
                • The Player - Remastered (1992)
                • The Postman (1997)
                • The Prince of Egypt (1998)
                • The Prophecy (1995)
                • The Quick and the Dead (1995)
                • The Real McCoy (1993)
                • The Remains of the Day (1993)
                • The Rescuers Down Under (1990)
                • There's Something About Mary (1998)
                • The Rock (1996)
                • The Rocketeer (1991)
                • The Rookie (1990)
                • The Saint (1997)
                • The Sandlot (1993)
                • The Santa Clause - Uncut (1994)
                • The Scarlet Letter (1995)
                • The Scent of Green Papaya (1993)
                • The Secret Garden (1993)
                • The Secret of Roan Inish (1994)
                • The Shawshank Redemption - Remastered (1994)
                • The Silence of the Lambs (1991)
                • The Sixth Sense - Remastered (1999)
                • The Story of Qiu Ju (1992)
                • The Talented Mr. Ripley (1999)
                • The Thin Red Line (1998)
                • The Thirteenth Floor (1999)
                • The Thomas Crown Affair (1999)
                • The Three Musketeers (1993)
                • The Truman Show (1998)
                • The Truth About Cats & Dogs (1996)
                • The Tuskegee Airmen (1995)
                • The Usual Suspects - Remastered (1995)
                • The Vanishing (1993)
                • The Visitors - Remastered (1993)
                • The Waterboy (1998)
                • The Wedding Singer (1998)
                • Things to Do in Denver When You're Dead (1995)
                • Thinner (1996)
                • Timecop (1994)
                • Tin Cup (1996)
                • Titanic (1997)
                • Tombstone (1993)
                • Total Recall - Remastered (1990)
                • To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar (1995)
                • Toy Story (1995)
                • Trainspotting (1996)
                • Tremors - Remastered (1990)
                • True Crime (1999)
                • True Lies (1994)
                • True Romance - Remastered (1993)
                • Truly Madly Deeply (1991)
                • Twelve Monkeys - Remastered (1995)
                • Twilight (1998)
                • Twister - Remastered (1996)
                • Under Siege (1992)
                • Unforgiven - Remastered (1992)
                • Universal Soldier - Remastered (1992)
                • U.S. Marshals (1998)
                • Vampires - Uncut (1998)
                • Varsity Blues (1999)
                • Village of the Damned (1995)
                • Wag the Dog (1997)
                • Waiting for Guffman (1996)
                • Waiting to Exhale (1995)
                • Waking Ned (1998)
                • Waterworld (1995)
                • Wayne's World (1992)
                • What Dreams May Come (1998)
                • What's Eating Gilbert Grape (1993)
                • While You Were Sleeping (1995)
                • White Men Can't Jump - Unrated (1992)
                • Wind (1992)
                • Wishmaster (1997)
                • With Honors (1994)
                • Wolf (1994)
                • Wrongfully Accused (1998)
                • Young and Dangerous (1996)
                • You've Got Mail (1998)
                • Zero Effect (1998)
                2 votes
                1. [2]
                  GenuinelyCrooked
                  (edited )
                  Link Parent
                  This is survivorship bias. It's the same thing that makespeople think that music has gotten worse. If you've got it in your library, it's probably good enough to withstand the test of time. In...

                  This is survivorship bias. It's the same thing that makespeople think that music has gotten worse. If you've got it in your library, it's probably good enough to withstand the test of time. In that case, you're comparing the best of that era to the best and worst of this one. And you're probably thinking of the worst of this era when you make those comparisons mentally.

                  If you only pulled some of the titles from your library, that's paring it down even further. Even if you tried to be fair and pull movies of all quality levels, the human brain is not capable of being that impartial.

                  Do I think the worst movies of the last three decades match up to the most memorable movies of the 90s? Obviously not. Do the best movies of the past three decades hold to the best movies of the 90s? Of course.

                  11 votes
                  1. Amarok
                    Link Parent
                    While the best of today are as good as the best of any decade, I'd say there are less great movies per year now than at any time of my life. A lot more movies being made, for a lot more money,...

                    While the best of today are as good as the best of any decade, I'd say there are less great movies per year now than at any time of my life. A lot more movies being made, for a lot more money, with a catastrophic drop overall in the total number per year that are genuinely new, interesting, and great. The quality has cratered, and if it goes much lower, the theaters are history.

                    4 votes
        5. GenuinelyCrooked
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          Link Parent
          One of the biggest problems with Furiosa for me is that it didn't have the same political push as Fury Road. They ditched most of the cool feminism for an incoherent moral about...revenge or...

          One of the biggest problems with Furiosa for me is that it didn't have the same political push as Fury Road. They ditched most of the cool feminism for an incoherent moral about...revenge or something? I wanted to see sisterhood and righteous violence against a patriarchy. Instead the violence felt fairly meaningless because Furiosa was the only person involved that I remotely cared about, and

          vague spoilers for a mediocre movie they made Immortan Joe kind of smart and maybe nice, and gave Furiosa a stupid boyfriend for no reason.

          If it had been a Fury Road clone I would have bought tickets for 4 more showings. The problem is that it took the momentum from Fury Road and drove it into a wall.

          Edit: thinking further, I still would have been disappointed if it was a Fury Road clone, because the appeal of Fury Road was that it was (for Hollywood) subversive and ruffled feathers, and that doesn't work the same way twice. It still would have been better than what we got.

          8 votes
        6. [2]
          public
          Link Parent
          Your following paragraph forgot to dunk on A/B testing by focus groups. Sure, they do tune each moment for maximal laffs, but the overall result falls flat due to incoherence. The MCU is the...

          writing by committee

          Your following paragraph forgot to dunk on A/B testing by focus groups. Sure, they do tune each moment for maximal laffs, but the overall result falls flat due to incoherence. The MCU is the embodiment of this.

          7 votes
          1. Amarok
            Link Parent
            I'd also add that reshoots are not a traditional Hollywood phenomenon. They have really taken off in the last decade. Nothing drives up a budget like a bad focus group review leading to a new team...

            I'd also add that reshoots are not a traditional Hollywood phenomenon. They have really taken off in the last decade. Nothing drives up a budget like a bad focus group review leading to a new team of writers and a litany of expensive reshoots. It's pretty hard to maintain a level of coherence with so many groups changing things just to check boxes on forms.

            Time was, the script was well and truly finished - and focus tested - before the shooting began, or at least, that was the goal to strive for. Anything else was just too expensive to tolerate.

            10 votes
        7. winther
          Link Parent
          I do think the studios care about the theaters and the ticket sales. They make almost all their money on ticket sales. Streaming and rentals is peanuts. Everyone who buys a ticket will give about...

          I do think the studios care about the theaters and the ticket sales. They make almost all their money on ticket sales. Streaming and rentals is peanuts. Everyone who buys a ticket will give about a months payment for a streaming service, for a single movie. Unless streaming prices will tenfold in price, I don't see how they could finance their big budget movies.

          4 votes
  3. Melvincible
    Link
    We are absolutely inundated with streaming. No one is going to feel like they've missed anything by waiting a few weeks to watch this at home. There a thousand other things to watch and talk...

    We are absolutely inundated with streaming. No one is going to feel like they've missed anything by waiting a few weeks to watch this at home. There a thousand other things to watch and talk about. I feel like there are comparisons to be made to gaming. When a hundred pieces of shovelware come out every week, the backlog grows, the giving a shit gets spread thin.

    20 votes
  4. [36]
    cloud_loud
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    Link
    This is the lowest Memorial Day weekend since Return of the Jedi's release in 1983. Last year The Little Mermaid opened in this spot, to a 4-day total of 120 million. Which was seen as a slight...

    This is the lowest Memorial Day weekend since Return of the Jedi's release in 1983. Last year The Little Mermaid opened in this spot, to a 4-day total of 120 million. Which was seen as a slight disappointment, boy do we wish we had those numbers now.

    Obviously the 2023 strikes which lasted 6 months are affecting the box office market as there are so few movies coming out this year, especially this summer which is looking increasingly bleak.

    There's a real panic being felt in the industry, and from film lovers as well as none of the May releases really connected with audiences with the exception of Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes which is considered only a moderate success that won't even break even theatrically.

    Furiosa and The Fall Guy are movies that were well received, that on paper were easy 100M DOM films. Furiosa more-so as it was an IP film with a rising star in the lead role which was positively received. It's the type of movie that in theory should have broken out, considering it's a big spectacle and feels like it's coming from a sole vision. Both films were also backed by their studios heavily, receiving lavish marketing campaigns. Yet they're both money losers.

    It really shows how much movie-going habits have changed in a short period of time. 2023 was a bad year for studios, even as theaters rebounded. Now 2024 is a bad year for both theaters and studios. Just an utter disaster.

    18 votes
    1. [11]
      blindmikey
      Link Parent
      I think we're seeing the effects of the markets being squeezed. The amount of frivolous cash being spent is shrinking because there's a lot less frivolous cash as the buying class is struggling...

      I think we're seeing the effects of the markets being squeezed. The amount of frivolous cash being spent is shrinking because there's a lot less frivolous cash as the buying class is struggling with necessities. On the flip side we're seeing companies cut dramatic corners trying to keep their share prices up, which the buying class experiences and coins the term "Enshittification".

      Theatres, that depend on a healthy buying class are feeling the effects.

      40 votes
      1. [10]
        Minori
        Link Parent
        I'm not certain this is it (in America at least). Consumer spending on entertainment is broadly up. It's just that more consumers are spending on travel and live entertainment rather than movie...

        The amount of frivolous cash being spent is shrinking because there's a lot less frivolous cash as the buying class is struggling with necessities.

        I'm not certain this is it (in America at least). Consumer spending on entertainment is broadly up. It's just that more consumers are spending on travel and live entertainment rather than movie tickets.

        13 votes
        1. [8]
          vord
          Link Parent
          Being couped up inside for 2 years really makes you wonder if it's worth paying to continue staring at a screen in a dark room. I mean, I'm paying more than ever for entertainment....not getting...

          Being couped up inside for 2 years really makes you wonder if it's worth paying to continue staring at a screen in a dark room.

          I mean, I'm paying more than ever for entertainment....not getting any more for it, but total revenue is totally up for them.

          13 votes
          1. [7]
            ButteredToast
            Link Parent
            Related, how many people do you think used quarantine as the justification/opportunity they’d been waiting for to build the home entertainment setup of their dreams? A big OLED TV, decent...

            Related, how many people do you think used quarantine as the justification/opportunity they’d been waiting for to build the home entertainment setup of their dreams?

            A big OLED TV, decent speakers, and an air popper (and if you’re feeling fancy, a receiver and BD player or PS4/PS5) gets you 90% of the good parts of the increasingly mediocre typical movie theater experience with none of the drawbacks, plus it’s also great for high production value TV shows and video games.

            If you have that there’s just no good reason to go to the movies except out of FOMO unless it’s a “deluxe experience” sort of theater like Alamo Drafthouse or something.

            12 votes
            1. [2]
              nukeman
              Link Parent
              Kinda my thought further down. The gap has narrowed a lot between home theaters and a traditional multiplex, such that even the giant screen doesn’t outweigh the cons of expensive concessions and...

              Kinda my thought further down. The gap has narrowed a lot between home theaters and a traditional multiplex, such that even the giant screen doesn’t outweigh the cons of expensive concessions and less convenience. Specialized theaters like (true) IMAX or Alamo will likely continue to do fine, because they either have better equipment or a better social experience.

              5 votes
              1. scherlock
                Link Parent
                I've had a decent home theater since before the pandemic. 8' Short throw projector, 5.1 sound, BR, streaming, 1080p. The only upgrade I'm looking to make is a move to 4k. My setup has seen weekly...

                I've had a decent home theater since before the pandemic. 8' Short throw projector, 5.1 sound, BR, streaming, 1080p. The only upgrade I'm looking to make is a move to 4k. My setup has seen weekly movie nights, a couple movie-a-thons, it's paid for itself twice over now. Taking 3 kids to the movies is well over $100, the last movie I took them to was across the spiderverse, which was worth it IMHO, but other than that, I keep a list of movies they want to watch as they learn about them then rent or buy them.

                2 votes
            2. [4]
              RoyalHenOil
              Link Parent
              For me, it's not even that my home theater experience has gotten better; it's that the movie theater experience has gotten so bad that I find it actively unpleasant. I used to love going to the...

              For me, it's not even that my home theater experience has gotten better; it's that the movie theater experience has gotten so bad that I find it actively unpleasant. I used to love going to the theater many years ago, but the last several times I went, the movies were played way too loud and the sound mixing was muddy.

              My set up at home is not impressive (I pretty much just watch movies on my computer or tablet), but being able to adjust the volume and reduce the bass if necessary means I can actually immerse myself in the movie.

              9 votes
              1. Nsutdwa
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                It's funny you should say this. My partner and I were just saying yesterday that the next time we go to see a film at the cinema, we'll take some cheap foam earplugs to take the edge off the...

                It's funny you should say this. My partner and I were just saying yesterday that the next time we go to see a film at the cinema, we'll take some cheap foam earplugs to take the edge off the volume. We almost saw Oppenheimer in an imax cinema (technical problems meant we only saw the ads – the movie refused to play) and the volume was ridiculously, uncomfortably loud, just absurdly loud. I think we'll just go to the cinema once or twice a year and wear noise-reducing headphones – at least for the adverts. I love the oomph that a real cinema system has, but I'm very conscious that I also don't want to trigger/exacerbate hearing issues.

                4 votes
              2. Minty
                Link Parent
                Too loud, bad mixing, and yet you can still hear some teenagers left and right, and then you notice somene who decided to look at memes instead of watching the movie, and then someone (sorry) has...

                Too loud, bad mixing, and yet you can still hear some teenagers left and right, and then you notice somene who decided to look at memes instead of watching the movie, and then someone (sorry) has (sorry) to go (sorry) pee, so (sorry) you have to move.

                And then, to your horror, you start to empathize...

                Not to mention projection image quality often just isn't sufficient anymore.

                I'll pass.

                2 votes
              3. crazydave333
                Link Parent
                Even beyond the presentation, the audiences have gotten so much worse post covid. Most recently, my wife and I went to go watch Ghostbusters: Frozen Kingdom and the room was filled with a bunch of...

                Even beyond the presentation, the audiences have gotten so much worse post covid. Most recently, my wife and I went to go watch Ghostbusters: Frozen Kingdom and the room was filled with a bunch of retarded weens running up and down the aisles and making TikTok videos in the middle of the movie. Do kids not know how to watch movies anymore?

                The film was nothing special and we were just killing time, but still. If you're paying fifteen bucks to watch a movie, shouldn't you just watch the movie? It's almost as if there are people out there whose entertainment is ruining the experience of watching a film for everyone else.

                3 votes
        2. Amarok
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          With Ticketmaster on the chopping block I'm expecting to see a lot more live music. The tickets for most shows, even big ones, would be cheaper than a movie without them.

          With Ticketmaster on the chopping block I'm expecting to see a lot more live music. The tickets for most shows, even big ones, would be cheaper than a movie without them.

          10 votes
    2. Eji1700
      Link Parent
      I think people are tired of the "milking it" vibe many films have. A spinoff based on a main character feels like it's going to be low production/mediocre quality just from the concept. Furiosa...

      I think people are tired of the "milking it" vibe many films have. A spinoff based on a main character feels like it's going to be low production/mediocre quality just from the concept.

      Furiosa may not actually be that, in fact if there was a film I'd expect to NOT be that this is one of them, but I feel like the little marketing i've seen for it makes me feel like it's exactly that.

      19 votes
    3. [5]
      winther
      Link Parent
      2023 showed that people still want to go to the movies, but in a manner that is not easily predictable. I also think they have overestimated the popularity of Mad Max. It has always been sort of...

      2023 showed that people still want to go to the movies, but in a manner that is not easily predictable. I also think they have overestimated the popularity of Mad Max. It has always been sort of niche franchise and I would guess Fury Road was a success because all the fans convinced their friends to go as well. Which hasn't happened this time around as it is seen as mostly more of the same, and not something truly groundbreaking and fresh as Fury Road was.

      17 votes
      1. blivet
        Link Parent
        Yeah, I’m old enough to have been an adult when the first Mad Max film was released in the US, and it was never really a blockbuster franchise like the Indiana Jones movies, for instance.

        Yeah, I’m old enough to have been an adult when the first Mad Max film was released in the US, and it was never really a blockbuster franchise like the Indiana Jones movies, for instance.

        10 votes
      2. [3]
        babypuncher
        Link Parent
        Which makes no sense, as the biggest risk associated with this film is the fact that it isn't at all like Fury Road. People going in expecting more of the previous film will be disappointed.

        as it is seen as mostly more of the same

        Which makes no sense, as the biggest risk associated with this film is the fact that it isn't at all like Fury Road. People going in expecting more of the previous film will be disappointed.

        3 votes
        1. [2]
          winther
          Link Parent
          Maybe it is a marketing failure then. Because the trailer made me think it was basically the same.

          Maybe it is a marketing failure then. Because the trailer made me think it was basically the same.

          11 votes
          1. GenuinelyCrooked
            Link Parent
            I went in hoping for, not the same, but a deeper exploration of the same world and characters. I wanted to learn more about the Vuvalini and how their sisterhood enabled them to survive and...

            I went in hoping for, not the same, but a deeper exploration of the same world and characters. I wanted to learn more about the Vuvalini and how their sisterhood enabled them to survive and protect the green place. I wanted that same feminist spine, but stronger now that it's almost a decade later. Instead I got a shallower movie with no spine to speak of.

            7 votes
    4. shrike
      Link Parent
      And Fall Guy is already out on digital. It's been out in theaters for maybe a month or two. In most cases it's easier and cheaper just to wait 4 weeks and buy the digital version (or physical...

      And Fall Guy is already out on digital. It's been out in theaters for maybe a month or two.

      In most cases it's easier and cheaper just to wait 4 weeks and buy the digital version (or physical even). Snacks are 90% cheaper and you can have as many people watching as you want - and with a half-decent home theater the experience isn't that much worse.

      I did go see both in IMAX though, but that's just me being weird and wanting to support movies I want to see more.

      6 votes
    5. dpkonofa
      Link Parent
      I don’t think the film industry has anything to worry about. I think theatres need to reassess themselves and come up with something that would make people go see a movie there rather than at...

      I don’t think the film industry has anything to worry about. I think theatres need to reassess themselves and come up with something that would make people go see a movie there rather than at home.

      I am a huge movie and film buff and I won’t go to the theatre anymore. After the last few times, I’m over the dirty theatres where none of the staff cares about anything and people still talk and throw things. Even places like Alamo just aren’t worth the cost and time to me.

      2 votes
    6. [16]
      babypuncher
      Link Parent
      Why is nobody going to see Furiosa? Wasn't Fury Road a huge hit?

      Why is nobody going to see Furiosa? Wasn't Fury Road a huge hit?

      1 vote
      1. teaearlgraycold
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        Link Parent
        I went to see it but honestly felt it was mediocre in comparison to Fury Road. I considered walking out half way through but went with a large group and just waited it out. The movie doesn’t have...

        I went to see it but honestly felt it was mediocre in comparison to Fury Road. I considered walking out half way through but went with a large group and just waited it out.

        The movie doesn’t have any of the same core cast as Fury Road and is missing the cinematic and soundtrack elements that made the predecessor so good.

        12 votes
      2. Amarok
        Link Parent
        Fury Road boasted some of the most amazing stunt work and gorgeous visuals I've ever seen, and I love it for that. Furiosa just wasn't in the same class.

        Fury Road boasted some of the most amazing stunt work and gorgeous visuals I've ever seen, and I love it for that. Furiosa just wasn't in the same class.

        11 votes
      3. [5]
        devalexwhite
        Link Parent
        Honestly the trailer was hugely off putting. My favorite part about Fury Road was the non stop action and barely any story, whereas the Furiosa trailer seemed to be so boring. That plus no max...

        Honestly the trailer was hugely off putting. My favorite part about Fury Road was the non stop action and barely any story, whereas the Furiosa trailer seemed to be so boring. That plus no max took it off my radar (which is disappointing considering I saw Fury road 5 times in theater)

        7 votes
        1. [4]
          teaearlgraycold
          Link Parent
          That's funny! I'd say my complaint about Furiosa is exactly the "non stop action and barely any story". But I think it's got even less story than Fury Road and the action just feels like the same...

          That's funny! I'd say my complaint about Furiosa is exactly the "non stop action and barely any story". But I think it's got even less story than Fury Road and the action just feels like the same stuff over and over without any defining characteristics. Like the weird dude in Fury Road that was suspended in front of the speakers playing guitar. Furiosa had nothing like that so they just made references to him 2 times. The end credits even used clips from Fury Road instead of from Furiosa itself because Fury Road was so much better.

          What I can't understand is how Furiosa has an 8.0/10 score on IMDb.

          6 votes
          1. GenuinelyCrooked
            Link Parent
            I think Fury Road had an extremely deep, rich story, but no exposition. Everything was show, no tell. Furiosa took huge pacing-destroying breaks for exposition, but didn't give us anything close...

            I think Fury Road had an extremely deep, rich story, but no exposition. Everything was show, no tell. Furiosa took huge pacing-destroying breaks for exposition, but didn't give us anything close to as rich of a story.

            8 votes
          2. devalexwhite
            Link Parent
            Interesting! The trailers definitely gave me different vibes. And that's hilarious about the end credits!

            Interesting! The trailers definitely gave me different vibes. And that's hilarious about the end credits!

          3. GravySleeve
            Link Parent
            I mean, the credits show Fury Road scenes because the events in that movie immediately follow up on the events of Furiosa. I agree Fury Road was a better film, but Furiosa wasn't THAT bad.

            I mean, the credits show Fury Road scenes because the events in that movie immediately follow up on the events of Furiosa. I agree Fury Road was a better film, but Furiosa wasn't THAT bad.

      4. GenuinelyCrooked
        Link Parent
        Fury Road was my favorite movie. I saw Furiosa and I would not recommend it at all. The pacing is bad, there are huge distracting plot holes She's hiding by pretending to be a boy, and when...

        Fury Road was my favorite movie. I saw Furiosa and I would not recommend it at all. The pacing is bad,

        there are huge distracting plot holes She's hiding by pretending to be a boy, and when Immortan Joe finds out, he just...lets her keep driving? Doesn't force her to be a wife. Because she's being "mentored" by his favoritist driver. That doesn't seem like the same guy who sacrificed most of his followers to retrieve his wives immediately after the events of this movie.
        , there's no coherent theme, and any questions you had from the first movie are not addressed, or are addressed in the least interesting way possible.

        My word of mouth is to skip it.

        2 votes
      5. [7]
        slashtab
        Link Parent
        It nowhere comes close to Fury Road and there is no Max in it. I also missed old Furiosa.

        It nowhere comes close to Fury Road and there is no Max in it. I also missed old Furiosa.

        1. [6]
          babypuncher
          Link Parent
          why is everyone so hung up on the fact that the movie isn't about Max? That seems completely immaterial to whether or not the film is good.

          why is everyone so hung up on the fact that the movie isn't about Max? That seems completely immaterial to whether or not the film is good.

          4 votes
          1. [4]
            papasquat
            Link Parent
            Well it's a Mad Max spinoff, and Max is a cool character. Makes sense to me.

            Well it's a Mad Max spinoff, and Max is a cool character. Makes sense to me.

            2 votes
            1. [3]
              DefinitelyNotAFae
              Link Parent
              The spin-off part is key though, the whole point of a spin-off vs a sequel is to focus on different characters

              The spin-off part is key though, the whole point of a spin-off vs a sequel is to focus on different characters

              3 votes
              1. [2]
                papasquat
                Link Parent
                Yeah, but a lot of spinoffs have small roles or cameos featuring main characters from the original, so it's not too out there of a hope to have.

                Yeah, but a lot of spinoffs have small roles or cameos featuring main characters from the original, so it's not too out there of a hope to have.

                1. DefinitelyNotAFae
                  Link Parent
                  Sure but I just think it's weird to be fixated on it as a reason to dislike it, especially since Max clearly didn't know any of those people in Fury Road. I'm in the group of people that thinks...

                  Sure but I just think it's weird to be fixated on it as a reason to dislike it, especially since Max clearly didn't know any of those people in Fury Road. I'm in the group of people that thinks it's a weird problem to have with the movie. Hoping for a little Easter egg or something reads as different to me than that.

                  4 votes
          2. GenuinelyCrooked
            (edited )
            Link Parent
            I also don't get why people care if Max is in it, and I also didn't like it, if that helps you at all.

            I also don't get why people care if Max is in it, and I also didn't like it, if that helps you at all.

  5. [2]
    NoblePath
    Link
    Just ad an aside, it may be a bad movie weekend because it was a record high travel weekend. To s if traffic, my campground was full and tons of people on the lake and the rivers, way more than...

    Just ad an aside, it may be a bad movie weekend because it was a record high travel weekend. To s if traffic, my campground was full and tons of people on the lake and the rivers, way more than usual. Maybe just a lot of people feeling like being outside befor summer gets ferocious?

    14 votes
    1. Amarok
      Link Parent
      I've seen the meme "they're touching grass" going around to describe this, you could be right. I've certainly been outside more than usual for the last month. :)

      I've seen the meme "they're touching grass" going around to describe this, you could be right. I've certainly been outside more than usual for the last month. :)

      11 votes
  6. [5]
    nukeman
    Link
    In addition to the good discussion above on IP and franchise fatigue, there’s the technology aspect. In 1984, a good TV setup would’ve been 18-24”, 480p resolution, with stereo sound. A movie...

    In addition to the good discussion above on IP and franchise fatigue, there’s the technology aspect. In 1984, a good TV setup would’ve been 18-24”, 480p resolution, with stereo sound. A movie theater running 35mm film would have a screen of 600-720”, ~5.16K resolution, with three channel audio, and possibly surround sound.

    Today, you can have a very good home theater setup with an 85-95”, 4K TV, with 7.1 surround sound. The movie theater setup would be largely unchanged, except for now also having surround sound. The disparity between home and cinema has been narrowed considerably. Taking into account concessions prices, inconsiderate audiences, drive times, and being able to pause to go to the bathroom if needed, it makes sense why more people wouldn’t want to go to a movie theater.

    11 votes
    1. [4]
      Amarok
      Link Parent
      I'd like them to lean more into the social aspects of movies, that's the one thing they can offer in person. Standing in line for over a day for Phantom Menace let me meet every Star Wars junkie...

      I'd like them to lean more into the social aspects of movies, that's the one thing they can offer in person. Standing in line for over a day for Phantom Menace let me meet every Star Wars junkie in the area code. When Return of the King aired, I watched all three LOTR films back to back to back with a theater of Tolkien nerds, and that was a blast. The midnight premiere of Office Space was a theater full of sysadmins, which was unexpected and awesome. Nothing will ever compare to the buzz of the first showing of The Matrix, though. That was pure electricity. The only time I've driven home from one show just to throw all the flatmates in the car (by force if necessary) so we could catch the next one.

      Maybe put a bar and a kitchen into the theater. Then I can spend more money at the theater rather than the nearby restaurant and save myself a lot of time too. It'd beat eating popcorn and candy.

      6 votes
      1. [2]
        nukeman
        Link Parent
        Some of the theaters near me have this. I haven’t tried the food, but I suspect the biggest issue is margins and restaurant being genuinely hard to make good.

        Some of the theaters near me have this. I haven’t tried the food, but I suspect the biggest issue is margins and restaurant being genuinely hard to make good.

        8 votes
        1. Amarok
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          Well, I wouldn't say it has to be fine dining. Sports-Bar level is fine, as popcorn is not tough to beat. Some bars I used to frequent would just keep menus from nearby restaurants and place a...

          Well, I wouldn't say it has to be fine dining. Sports-Bar level is fine, as popcorn is not tough to beat.

          Some bars I used to frequent would just keep menus from nearby restaurants and place a takeout order for you to be delivered at the bar. That might work out better if the theater is already near good restaurants. They don't make as much, but they don't have to invest either, and the restaurants will always be glad for the extra business.

          2 votes
      2. ThrowdoBaggins
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        I’m honestly a little disappointed that I didn’t see my local cinemas doing a Dune double feature — they even re-launched the first Dune in cinemas because there was a longer gap in the releases...

        I’m honestly a little disappointed that I didn’t see my local cinemas doing a Dune double feature — they even re-launched the first Dune in cinemas because there was a longer gap in the releases than they initially intended, and I absolutely would have paid to see them back to back (with a food/bathroom break between) on the biggest screen with all the amazing sound that my home setup can never beat… but I literally didn’t see cinemas near me doing that, and I think it’s a missed opportunity!

        5 votes
  7. [4]
    GunnarRunnar
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    I'm only speaking for myself but as someone who loved Fury Road, I really didn't see Furiosa in Anya Taylor-Joy. She just has too unique and different look compared to Theron. And Hemsworth with a...

    I'm only speaking for myself but as someone who loved Fury Road, I really didn't see Furiosa in Anya Taylor-Joy. She just has too unique and different look compared to Theron. And Hemsworth with a fake nose wasn't working for me either. The look in the posters was just off for me.

    I eventually will see this obviously but I'm in no rush at the moment.

    3 votes
    1. [2]
      Melvincible
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      I feel the same. I guess it would be hard to live up to Charlize Theron's portrayal of strength and stoicism, but Anya Taylor Joy looks like a very fragile elf. I think it was a weird casting...

      I feel the same. I guess it would be hard to live up to Charlize Theron's portrayal of strength and stoicism, but Anya Taylor Joy looks like a very fragile elf. I think it was a weird casting choice tbh. I love her in a bunch of other stuff, so no hate or anything. I will still watch it but, yeah.. in no hurry.

      8 votes
      1. GenuinelyCrooked
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        Anya actually does alright. She didn't bulk up or anything, but she has a stoicism and a quiet rage that serves the character well. The material she had to work with is much more of a problem then...

        Anya actually does alright. She didn't bulk up or anything, but she has a stoicism and a quiet rage that serves the character well. The material she had to work with is much more of a problem then her lack of muscle.

        3 votes
    2. GenuinelyCrooked
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      Fury Road is my favorite movie, and I do not recommend this movie. It's not horrible, I suppose, but it absolutely pales in comparison to the original, and it's not because of the casting. The...

      Fury Road is my favorite movie, and I do not recommend this movie. It's not horrible, I suppose, but it absolutely pales in comparison to the original, and it's not because of the casting. The writing is absolutely the weakest link. If there hadn't been a Fury Road, I probably would have liked this movie more, because I wouldn't know how good it could have been. I still would have gone to see it because it's cool to have a female action protagonist, and I would have though it was alright. Badly paced, no real theme, but fine. But knowing this is the best we're going to get in that universe is really disappointing and has been bothering me more the more I've thought about it.

      I wouldn't spend any money on this one.

      4 votes
  8. [2]
    Caelum
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    On top of all the opinions in this post, I am wondering if younger people even have the attention span anymore? With the growth of TikTok and even twittter still around, most of them are consuming...

    On top of all the opinions in this post, I am wondering if younger people even have the attention span anymore? With the growth of TikTok and even twittter still around, most of them are consuming copious amounts of bite sized content. Can they even sit in the same chair doing the same thing for 2.5hrs anymore?

    1 vote
    1. pbmonster
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      I mean, Dune sold tickets. Dune.

      I mean, Dune sold tickets. Dune.

      6 votes