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Donald Trump is safe after Secret Service opened fire at suspect with firearm near his Florida golf club

Posted by updawg
Tags: usa.fl, politics, crime, republican party, presidents, donald trump, elections, 2024 us presidential election, shootings, violence.gun, source.associated press
https://apnews.com/article/trump-shooting-gunshots-florida-f62f8378d3a8ce7b2e99d6a8fb40aba9

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Title
Trump's campaign says candidate is safe after gunshots were reported in his vicinity in Florida
Published
Sep 15 2024
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32 comments

  1. [10]
    smiles134
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    Edit: it seems new details have come out. Archive link for the original New York Post where my initial comment came from:...

    Two people shot at each other in a high crime area outside the golf course where Trump happened to be. This is a complete non-story.

    Edit: it seems new details have come out. Archive link for the original New York Post where my initial comment came from: https://web.archive.org/web/20240915184215/https://nypost.com/2024/09/15/us-news/shooting-reported-at-donald-trumps-golf-club-while-ex-president-was-on-grounds/

    25 votes
    1. [8]
      tarehart
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      There seems to be more to it, the article now reads:

      There seems to be more to it, the article now reads:

      U.S. Secret Service agents opened fire after seeing a person with a firearm near Trump’s golf club

      16 votes
      1. [7]
        nothis
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        Yup, this looks like another assassination attempt.

        The person appeared to push the muzzle of the rifle through the fence line and that’s when agents fired, the officials said

        An AK-style firearm was recovered at the scene near Trump’s golf course, one of the officials and a third law enforcement official said.

        Yup, this looks like another assassination attempt.

        30 votes
        1. [2]
          teaearlgraycold
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          While I wish Donald wasn’t alive right now, I think an assassination would be a complete shitshow.

          While I wish Donald wasn’t alive right now, I think an assassination would be a complete shitshow.

          31 votes
          1. Grumble4681
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            It probably would be, though I suspect it will be less of a shitshow than if he wins the election. Depending on how he loses the election that might turn into a shitshow as well. I guess that is...

            It probably would be, though I suspect it will be less of a shitshow than if he wins the election. Depending on how he loses the election that might turn into a shitshow as well. I guess that is why him being assassinated would be a shitshow, he's created an inevitable shitshow come election day and that shitshow just accelerates if someone assassinates him.

            25 votes
        2. [2]
          Plik
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          Damn, amongst all his other records, most failed upward White man, most lies per minute on video, most failed coup attempts, tiniest handed president, etc.; is most assassination attempts on an...

          Damn, amongst all his other records, most failed upward White man, most lies per minute on video, most failed coup attempts, tiniest handed president, etc.; is most assassination attempts on an ex-president going to be added to the list?

          10 votes
          1. updawg
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            Depends on your definition, probably. They don't disclose all the terrorist/assassination plots they thwart. There could be tons of those, for all we know. This one was also more of an attempted...

            Depends on your definition, probably. They don't disclose all the terrorist/assassination plots they thwart. There could be tons of those, for all we know. This one was also more of an attempted assassination attempt, I guess, so there's definitely room to pick and choose.

            12 votes
        3. [2]
          BeanBurrito
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          I was just about to ask if this story was the same story about shots being fired ( not at the felon ) in an area he happened to be in.

          I was just about to ask if this story was the same story about shots being fired ( not at the felon ) in an area he happened to be in.

          1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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            Yeah, it turned out it was the Secret Service shooting at the subject.

            Yeah, it turned out it was the Secret Service shooting at the subject.

            3 votes
  2. [12]
    ogre
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    I’m morbidly curious about what causes these would-be assassins to throw their lives away for an attempt on Trump’s life. I understand not liking or hating Trump, but I want to know what the final...

    I’m morbidly curious about what causes these would-be assassins to throw their lives away for an attempt on Trump’s life. I understand not liking or hating Trump, but I want to know what the final straws were for the two gunman this summer. Though I doubt someone sticking a gun through a fence has anything cogent to say about their thought process.

    23 votes
    1. [2]
      mild_takes
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      I have that same morbid curiosity about it, but I think a lot of assassins aren't really making sane decisions.

      I have that same morbid curiosity about it, but I think a lot of assassins aren't really making sane decisions.

      21 votes
      1. Eji1700
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        Yeah so far both of these seem much more on the “if I kill the President this actress will like me” spectrum than anything else. That said there doesn’t see to be that much information on...

        Yeah so far both of these seem much more on the “if I kill the President this actress will like me” spectrum than anything else.

        That said there doesn’t see to be that much information on motivation from the first one

        13 votes
    3. [7]
      irren_echo
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      AFAIK, the shooter who grazed Trump's ear was literally just trying to prove his mettle to his peers and/or father. I don't think there was any evidence of political motivation at all, he was just...

      AFAIK, the shooter who grazed Trump's ear was literally just trying to prove his mettle to his peers and/or father. I don't think there was any evidence of political motivation at all, he was just tired of being made fun of for being a trash shot.

      9 votes
      1. [6]
        DefinitelyNotAFae
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        They've not made anything public afaik.

        They've not made anything public afaik.

        16 votes
        1. [5]
          blivet
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          This is so unlike the flood of information made available almost instantly about previous assassins and would-be assassins that it’s frankly bizarre. Wtf is going on?

          This is so unlike the flood of information made available almost instantly about previous assassins and would-be assassins that it’s frankly bizarre. Wtf is going on?

          11 votes
          1. [4]
            DefinitelyNotAFae
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            We don't tend to get as much from people that don't post manifestos and don't survive. The Las Vegas shooter's motives for example are probably always going to be hypothetical. And the...

            We don't tend to get as much from people that don't post manifestos and don't survive. The Las Vegas shooter's motives for example are probably always going to be hypothetical. And the investigation may still be going on

            And sometimes it's not "interesting."
            Who knows tbh.

            19 votes
            1. Tmbreen
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              Yeah I always interpreted the first shooter as a "school shooter" type, I know that's not explaining a lot but he seemed like the kind of guy just trying to go down in history or prove himself....

              Yeah I always interpreted the first shooter as a "school shooter" type, I know that's not explaining a lot but he seemed like the kind of guy just trying to go down in history or prove himself. Haven't seen a ton of data on this guy other than tweets, but he seems a bit more complicated.

              7 votes
            2. [2]
              blivet
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              It’s true that we don’t know why the Vegas shooter did it, but we did get a fair amount of information about him. But he was an older man so there were a lot more biographical details available...

              It’s true that we don’t know why the Vegas shooter did it, but we did get a fair amount of information about him. But he was an older man so there were a lot more biographical details available about him compared to the kid who shot at Trump. You may be right that there just isn’t much to say about someone so young.

              1 vote
              1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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                Yeah I guess we just never got a specific motive (or I missed it) or reason for that shooting. But yeah might end up being the same for the PA shooter.

                Yeah I guess we just never got a specific motive (or I missed it) or reason for that shooting. But yeah might end up being the same for the PA shooter.

    4. carrotflowerr
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      I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often

      I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often

      5 votes
  3. [9]
    DefinitelyNotAFae
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    I'm seeing a name and political background being shared but haven't found a source for them yet. I did exhale in the relief of it not being someone from a community who could be targeted in...

    I'm seeing a name and political background being shared but haven't found a source for them yet. I did exhale in the relief of it not being someone from a community who could be targeted in retaliation.

    If I find a source I'll update.

    Edit: US Media Outlets report name as Ryan Wesley Routh

    note: The NY Post has named him, not the Times that I can see. But I may have missed an update.

    Newsweek

    Alongside claiming to have fought in Ukraine, he's been in trouble with the law for weapons before.

    The News Observer

    Routh has an extensive criminal history in North Carolina that includes convictions between 2002 and 2010 of possession of weapons of mass destruction, carrying a concealed gun, hit and run, possession of stolen goods and resisting law enforcement, among other charges.

    13 votes
    1. [5]
      Toric
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      What sort of weapons of mass destruction does one have a criminal history with while still walking free???

      What sort of weapons of mass destruction does one have a criminal history with while still walking free???

      8 votes
      1. [4]
        CannibalisticApple
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        A machine gun, according to this article. They're not actually banned (well, in most states), but they are very intensely regulated. From what I recall you'd need to transfer an ownership license...

        A machine gun, according to this article.

        They're not actually banned (well, in most states), but they are very intensely regulated. From what I recall you'd need to transfer an ownership license from someone else who already owns one, after going through many legal hurtles.

        10 votes
        1. [3]
          Toric
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          Oh. Thats less exiting than what I think of when I hear weapons of mass destruction. (after all, if its not a city killer, is it really a WMD?)

          Oh. Thats less exiting than what I think of when I hear weapons of mass destruction. (after all, if its not a city killer, is it really a WMD?)

          10 votes
          1. [2]
            Tmbreen
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            Yeah that seems like a crazy way to categorize it. Id expect at least materials for a dirty bomb or something for a WMD charge.

            Yeah that seems like a crazy way to categorize it. Id expect at least materials for a dirty bomb or something for a WMD charge.

            10 votes
            1. zipf_slaw
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              Yeah, the applied definition of WMD has changed over the years to seemingly suit whomever is using it. Although the wiki page seems to focus exclusively on chem/bio/radiological weapons, it was...

              Yeah, the applied definition of WMD has changed over the years to seemingly suit whomever is using it. Although the wiki page seems to focus exclusively on chem/bio/radiological weapons, it was expanded to include explosives (allowing prosecutors to use it against the Boston Bomber(s) among others). The use has broadened to sometimes include small arms in the last 20 years or so, but I can't find any consistency in how the term is used anymore other than "whatever makes it easier to convict".

              6 votes
    2. [3]
      DefinitelyNotAFae
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      Suspected Gunman Said He Was Willing to Fight and Die in Ukraine Gift link

      Suspected Gunman Said He Was Willing to Fight and Die in Ukraine
      Gift link

      4 votes
      1. [2]
        l_one
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        Hmm. Given how Trump pretty directly implied he would force Ukraine to capitulate to Russia, I can see at least one easy motivation there. For reference, and to not be a disinformation source, I...

        Hmm. Given how Trump pretty directly implied he would force Ukraine to capitulate to Russia, I can see at least one easy motivation there.

        For reference, and to not be a disinformation source, I am referring to the Harris/Trump debate portion where Trump was asked if it was in the US's best interest for Ukraine to win the war and his response was 'get it done, negotiate a deal' - when combined with his prior statement in the debate that he would end the war in a day... the only way he could even think that would be possible would be to force Ukraine to surrender in some way.

        Add the further established context of his statements about Russia and admiration for Putin... yeah.

        9 votes
        1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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          Yeah I mean I'm not going to speculate on motive yet. I saw other claims that he was a Vivek/ Haley supporter now and also that he's disliked how seriously Trump took COVID. Is that enough to try...

          Yeah I mean I'm not going to speculate on motive yet. I saw other claims that he was a Vivek/ Haley supporter now and also that he's disliked how seriously Trump took COVID. Is that enough to try to shoot him? I have no idea.

          Trump's views on Ukraine aren't new so it could be the debate or it could be a dozen other things.

          8 votes
  4. JXM
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    It's Florida. There's guns everywhere. Everyone is always in the vicinity of gunshots here, unfortunately.

    It's Florida. There's guns everywhere. Everyone is always in the vicinity of gunshots here, unfortunately.

    10 votes